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Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Temperatures or Clocks :)
by Jack Donahue 27 Jun '16

27 Jun '16

Very interesting. Two Things: 1.) Never seen quarts(or even gallons) moving CCW - or was it “quartz"?. Lol 2.) I guess we better move to Egypt for faster aging, and Australia to get younger. Thanks for the great info. Jack #4348 > On Jun 27, 2016, at 6:50 AM, Larry - Ohio Time <Larry(a)ohiotimecorp.com> wrote: > > Jack, > > Clocks? I have had my hands in clocks for 35+ years. I have put the wrong motors in clocks and they have run backwards for a short time. I have also seen quarts movements that were made to run backwards. > > You may enjoy the article about clock wise. > > Larry - Cleveland > > > > Pretty much everyone knows that if you’re asked to pass something clockwise around a table, you hand it to the person on your left because that is the same direction that the hands of a clock move. But what you may not know is that this standard direction is a function not only of timekeeping, but the Earth’s rotation and the happy accident that much of human civilization evolved in the Northern Hemisphere. > > If you could look directly at the North Pole from space, it would appear to spin counterclockwise. Given that spin, when a stick is placed in the ground parallel to the Earth’s axis in, say, Egypt, the shadow cast by the stick as the Sun moves across the sky will move in a clockwise direction (notably, a similarly placed stick in Australia would cast a shadow that moves counterclockwise). > > As far back as when the ancient Egyptians and Babylonians were fashioning their first shadow clocks (~3,500 BC), the measurement of time moved in a clockwise direction. Even as more precise timekeeping methods came about, sundials (which began in earnest around 1,500 BC) remained popular throughout the middle ages and beyond, given their simplicity of construction and relative reliability. (In fact, early mechanical clocks were often regularly calibrated to nearby sundials.) > > > Wells_cathedral_clock_dial > One of the earliest mechanical clocks, the Wells Cathedral Clock in Somerset, was wound by hand from its installation in the late 14th century to 2010, when an electric motor was installed, saving someone having to climb the steps and wind it (~800 revolutions per winding) three times per week. > > So, when mechanical clocks were introduced in Europe in the 14th century, their inventors were quite familiar with sundials and the clockwise direction that their shadows moved and marked time. Accordingly, by the end of that century when even cathedral clocks were sporting clock faces, they were made in imitation of their sundial forbears, which included hands that moved in a clockwise direction. > > Notably, the word clockwise with its present meaning did not appear in English until the 1870s, with counterclockwise also dating to that decade. > > The use of wise to mean a way of proceeding dates back to Old English. Clock isn’t nearly so old, and dates to the invention of our modern mechanical clocks (14th century). It is thought to come from either clokke (Middle Dutch), cloque (Old North French) or clocca (Medieval Latin) which all meant bell. Some of the earliest mechanical clocks were simply designed to strike a bell at set intervals, perhaps to announce prayer times or the like, or simply ring on the hour, with these early clocks not necessarily having any faces. And if you’re curious, before they were called “clocks,” these early mechanical clocks were called horologia, from the Greek for “hour” (ὡρα) and “to tell” (λέγειν). > > Thanks, > > Larry > > Larry Homolak | Larry(a)OhioTimeCorp.com > > Ohio Time Corporation | 9401 Olde Eight Road, Northfield Ohio 44067 > Phone: 330.467.2430 | Fax: 330.467.9560 > Workforce Management Solutions since 1976| www.OhioTimeCorp.com > > Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Jack Donahue > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 12:03 PM > To: Stephen > Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Temperatures > > Stephan - thanks for more input, but did you mean the bearings are cooled with oil? I had an XKE - 64 - it ran a wee bit hot - needed an oil cooler. Age - the great equalizer. We fight it, but it always wins out - still looking for that watch/clock that runs CCW. But then again, I’m glad to have made it this far, unfortunately, a lot don’t. > Jack > #4348 >> On Jun 22, 2016, at 8:51 AM, Stephen <steve(a)snclocks.com> wrote: >> >> Good morning Jack. Years ago my dad explained to me that oil is the primary heat transfer agent in an engine. It is the closest to the things that get hot. OK - the heads are filled with water, which gets pretty hot, but the bearings, the pistons, the rings all get cooled with water. >> >> Just bought a SPC Daytona - with a 351 Dart block bored and stroked to 427. It came with an oil temperature gauge. Yup, oil runs 20 or 30 degrees F hotter. The Daytona also has an oil-cooler built into the radiator. >> >> I also have a '70 XKE. I added a factory oil cooler that I was lucky enough to snap up when a Jag aftermarket outfit found the cooler at a dealership they bought out. Overall - makes the engine just plain bulletproof when it comes to cooling. >> >> So, sounds like I am a big fan of oil coolers, eh? But, really, no. Modern multi-vis oils significantly extend the effectiveness of oils - I would, and do watch the water temperature in our Pantera, but honestly, I give no thoughts to the oil temperature. But then, as with you, I am probably on the old-man side of my driving. I don't track my cars but I do put miles on them. >> >> Thoughts of an old man contemplating cleaning up a car for a show tonight. >> >> Stephen Nelson >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Jack Donahue >> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 8:16 AM >> To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Oil Temperatures >> >> Just wanted to thank everyone for their input on oil temperatures. The List and the participants are unique and indispensable, in my book. The thoughts and ideas are just great. In my case, the first thing I need is an oil temp gauge to see if it’s even an issue - so logical. I judge from my driving habits (old-man-style driving) I may not have to worry about it. But I do. I guess it’s a “Pantera-thing” to drive down the road in “readiness” for the next issue, because it WILL be there - Just a matter of time. "Upgrading Unlimited” - I love it. I get so “educated by The List. It’s like asking the workshop manual questions, and getting answers. >> #4348 >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. >> > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. >

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Re: [DeTomaso] Kurt and the Copyright issue
by cengles＠cox.net 27 Jun '16

27 Jun '16

Dear Larry, Ach du Lieber!!! You've done it. Problem solved. Well done , sir. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 10:26 AM, Larry Finch via DeTomaso wrote: > All, > > The new host of this email list, Kurt, has been threatened with legal > action regarding the copyright on postings made to this forum when it > was hosted by POCA. > > I attach to this email a screen capture from the email list when it > was still hosted by POCA. Note the following contained in the first > section: > > “Content of this email list is not copyrighted by any individual or > entity, including POCA.” > > I think that pretty much means there is no legal standing for > copyright-violation lawsuit. > > Larry > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive > or approve the archiving of list messages.

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New Poca website
by Jerry Knotts 27 Jun '16

27 Jun '16

Just looked on the POCA website. First time there. Didn't find any link to Forums. I must have misunderstood that there would be Forums that could be accessed by non POCA members and Forums that could only be accessed by members. Oh well. Certainly good that this list survived so I can get my "DeTo" fix everyday. jerry knotts

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Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join
by Tomas Gunnarsson 27 Jun '16

27 Jun '16

Anyone who decides to contribute: Don't forget to claim Copyright on your material! :-D Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: John Bennett [jbennett111(a)zoho.com] Sent: 27/6/2016 4:17:47 AM To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join Ken, See below from Mr. Shortt. John Sent using Zoho Mail ============ Forwarded message ============ >From :Michael Shortt <michaelsavga(a)gmail.com> To : "John Bennett"<jbennett111(a)zoho.com> Date : Sun, 26 Jun 2016 19:00:50 -0700 Subject : Re: Fwd: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join ============ Forwarded message ============ Please share on my behalf. That is all coming, we have National engine builders writing articles now. Im seeking a 100% restoration candidate who will take lots of photos and write four , 4 page articles for the next year of Profiles. From disassembling to completion. If you know of any , please have them contact me. Michael ============ Forwarded message ============ >From :Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> To : "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr."<byrdjf(a)embarqmail.com>, "'B. SEIB'"<oldwheel(a)shaw.ca> Cc : "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com"<detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Date : Sun, 26 Jun 2016 17:25:03 -0700 Subject : Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join ============ Forwarded message ============ I miss reading the detailed descriptions of builds in the PI publication. I don't think POCA ever had anything like them. Ken From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf(a)embarqmail.com> To: 'B. SEIB' <oldwheel(a)shaw.ca> Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join I was just thinking, if I ever DO put 5177 back together AND a Profile article published...But what are the chances that is going to happen? Joe Back to renewing as an international, what would be the deal with the reimbursement back to the local chapter? Really would not matter too much as I am not a member of one. I got 30 days to decide. Full, digital, or non member. -----Original Message----- From: B. SEIB [mailto:oldwheel@shaw.ca] Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 20:11 PM To: byrdjf(a)embarqmail.com Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com; jbennett111(a)zoho.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join You can always print what you like from the pdf on your own color printer or a quick print locally Joseph. Barry Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. byrdjf at embarqmail.com Sun Jun 26 08:35:08 EDT 2016 Is the international option discussed/mentioned on the POCA web site? If one opts for the international, will hard copies be available to purchase in case there is one desired? -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of John Bennett Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 0:27 AM To: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join Great membership now only $50! > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com> > Subject: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join > Date: 26 June 2016 at 16:25:26 NZST > To: San Diego Panteras <sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>, Space City Panteras <SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com> > > Please spread the word! > > We have created an easy to remember, simple web address for people to > sign up online. > > Simply go to > > www.poca.com/join <http://www.poca.com/join> > > to have people sign up. > > You can sign up people on your smart phone at car shows, events, etc. > > In addition, you can now choose the International option; no matter > where you live, and receive a full POCA membership for $50.00 instead of $75.00. What this option gives you is to receive "Digital only" Newsletters and Profiles in full color pdf format. > > Note: If they want posted hardcopies then they would choose the > Domestic option for the standard $75.00, > > Don't forget we have the 3 5 1 program, they more members you get > benefits the club and yourself. Details here: > > https://poca.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=999896&modu le_i d=225364 <https://poca.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=999896&mod ule_ id=225364> > > Thanks, > > Ed Mendez > > PR Director - POCA > > www.poca.com <http://www.poca.com/> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "SDPANTERAS" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to sdpanteras+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com <mailto:sdpanteras+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to sdpanteras at googlegroups.com <mailto:sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. ..Previous message: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join ..Next message: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join . Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] More information about the DeTomaso mailing list _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. I miss reading the detailed descriptions of builds in the PI publication. I don't think POCA ever had anything like them. Ken __________________________________________________________________ From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf(a)embarqmail.com> To: 'B. SEIB' <oldwheel(a)shaw.ca> Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join I was just thinking, if I ever DO put 5177 back together AND a Profile article published...But what are the chances that is going to happen? Joe Back to renewing as an international, what would be the deal with the reimbursement back to the local chapter? Really would not matter too much as I am not a member of one. I got 30 days to decide. Full, digital, or non member. -----Original Message----- From: B. SEIB [mailto:[1]oldwheel@shaw.ca] Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 20:11 PM To: [2]byrdjf(a)embarqmail.com Cc: [3]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com; [4]jbennett111(a)zoho.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join You can always print what you like from the pdf on your own color printer or a quick print locally Joseph. Barry Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. byrdjf at embarqmail.com Sun Jun 26 08:35:08 EDT 2016 Is the international option discussed/mentioned on the POCA web site? If one opts for the international, will hard copies be available to purchase in case there is one desired? -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of John Bennett Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 0:27 AM To: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join Great membership now only $50! > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com> > Subject: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join > Date: 26 June 2016 at 16:25:26 NZST > To: San Diego Panteras <sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>, Space City Panteras <SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com> > > Please spread the word! > > We have created an easy to remember, simple web address for people to > sign up online. > > Simply go to > > www.poca.com/join <[5]http://www.poca.com/join> > > to have people sign up. > > You can sign up people on your smart phone at car shows, events, etc. > > In addition, you can now choose the International option; no matter > where you live, and receive a full POCA membership for $50.00 instead of $75.00. What this option gives you is to receive "Digital only" Newsletters and Profiles in full color pdf format. > > Note: If they want posted hardcopies then they would choose the > Domestic option for the standard $75.00, > > Don't forget we have the 3 5 1 program, they more members you get > benefits the club and yourself. Details here: > > [6]https://poca.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=999896& module_i d=225364 <[7]https://poca.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=999896 &module_ id=225364> > > Thanks, > > Ed Mendez > > PR Director - POCA > > www.poca.com <[8]http://www.poca.com/> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "SDPANTERAS" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to sdpanteras+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com <mailto:sdpanteras+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to sdpanteras at googlegroups.com <mailto:sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>. > For more options, visit [9]https://groups.google.com/d/optout <[10]https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. ..Previous message: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join ..Next message: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join .. 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Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Anyone who decides to contribute: Don't forget to claim Copyright on your material! :-D Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: John Bennett [jbennett111(a)zoho.com] Sent: 27/6/2016 4:17:47 AM To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join Ken, See below from Mr. Shortt. John Sent using Zoho Mail ============ Forwarded message ============ From :Michael Shortt <michaelsavga(a)gmail.com> To : "John Bennett"<jbennett111(a)zoho.com> Date : Sun, 26 Jun 2016 19:00:50 -0700 Subject : Re: Fwd: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join ============ Forwarded message ============ Please share on my behalf. That is all coming, we have National engine builders writing articles now. Im seeking a 100% restoration candidate who will take lots of photos and write four , 4 page articles for the next year of Profiles. From disassembling to completion. If you know of any , please have them contact me. Michael ============ Forwarded message ============ From :Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> To : "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr."<byrdjf(a)embarqmail.com>, "'B. SEIB'"<oldwheel(a)shaw.ca> Cc : "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com"<detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Date : Sun, 26 Jun 2016 17:25:03 -0700 Subject : Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join ============ Forwarded message ============ I miss reading the detailed descriptions of builds in the PI publication. I don't think POCA ever had anything like them. Ken From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf(a)embarqmail.com> To: 'B. SEIB' <oldwheel(a)shaw.ca> Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join I was just thinking, if I ever DO put 5177 back together AND a Profile article published...But what are the chances that is going to happen? Joe Back to renewing as an international, what would be the deal with the reimbursement back to the local chapter? Really would not matter too much as I am not a member of one. I got 30 days to decide. Full, digital, or non member. -----Original Message----- From: B. SEIB [mailto:oldwheel@shaw.ca] Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 20:11 PM To: byrdjf(a)embarqmail.com Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com; jbennett111(a)zoho.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join You can always print what you like from the pdf on your own color printer or a quick print locally Joseph. Barry Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. byrdjf at embarqmail.com Sun Jun 26 08:35:08 EDT 2016 Is the international option discussed/mentioned on the POCA web site? If one opts for the international, will hard copies be available to purchase in case there is one desired? -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of John Bennett Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 0:27 AM To: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join Great membership now only $50! > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com> > Subject: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join > Date: 26 June 2016 at 16:25:26 NZST > To: San Diego Panteras <sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>, Space City Panteras <SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com> > > Please spread the word! > > We have created an easy to remember, simple web address for people to > sign up online. > > Simply go to > > www.poca.com/join <http://www.poca.com/join> > > to have people sign up. > > You can sign up people on your smart phone at car shows, events, etc. > > In addition, you can now choose the International option; no matter > where you live, and receive a full POCA membership for $50.00 instead of $75.00. What this option gives you is to receive "Digital only" Newsletters and Profiles in full color pdf format. > > Note: If they want posted hardcopies then they would choose the > Domestic option for the standard $75.00, > > Don't forget we have the 3 5 1 program, they more members you get > benefits the club and yourself. Details here: > > https://poca.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=999896&mod ule_i d=225364 <https://poca.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=999896&mo dule_ id=225364> > > Thanks, > > Ed Mendez > > PR Director - POCA > > www.poca.com <http://www.poca.com/> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "SDPANTERAS" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to sdpanteras+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com <mailto:sdpanteras+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to sdpanteras at googlegroups.com <mailto:sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. ..Previous message: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join ..Next message: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join . Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] More information about the DeTomaso mailing list _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. I miss reading the detailed descriptions of builds in the PI publication. I don't think POCA ever had anything like them. Ken __________________________________________________________________ From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf(a)embarqmail.com> To: 'B. SEIB' <oldwheel(a)shaw.ca> Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join I was just thinking, if I ever DO put 5177 back together AND a Profile article published...But what are the chances that is going to happen? Joe Back to renewing as an international, what would be the deal with the reimbursement back to the local chapter? Really would not matter too much as I am not a member of one. I got 30 days to decide. Full, digital, or non member. -----Original Message----- From: B. SEIB [mailto:[1]oldwheel@shaw.ca] Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 20:11 PM To: [2]byrdjf(a)embarqmail.com Cc: [3]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com; [4]jbennett111(a)zoho.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join You can always print what you like from the pdf on your own color printer or a quick print locally Joseph. Barry Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. byrdjf at embarqmail.com Sun Jun 26 08:35:08 EDT 2016 Is the international option discussed/mentioned on the POCA web site? If one opts for the international, will hard copies be available to purchase in case there is one desired? -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of John Bennett Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 0:27 AM To: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join Great membership now only $50! > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com> > Subject: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join > Date: 26 June 2016 at 16:25:26 NZST > To: San Diego Panteras <sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>, Space City Panteras <SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com> > > Please spread the word! > > We have created an easy to remember, simple web address for people to > sign up online. > > Simply go to > > www.poca.com/join <[5]http://www.poca.com/join> > > to have people sign up. > > You can sign up people on your smart phone at car shows, events, etc. > > In addition, you can now choose the International option; no matter > where you live, and receive a full POCA membership for $50.00 instead of $75.00. What this option gives you is to receive "Digital only" Newsletters and Profiles in full color pdf format. > > Note: If they want posted hardcopies then they would choose the > Domestic option for the standard $75.00, > > Don't forget we have the 3 5 1 program, they more members you get > benefits the club and yourself. Details here: > > [6]https://poca.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=999896& module_i d=225364 <[7]https://poca.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=999896 &module_ id=225364> > > Thanks, > > Ed Mendez > > PR Director - POCA > > www.poca.com <[8]http://www.poca.com/> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "SDPANTERAS" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to sdpanteras+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com <mailto:sdpanteras+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to sdpanteras at googlegroups.com <mailto:sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>. > For more options, visit [9]https://groups.google.com/d/optout <[10]https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. ..Previous message: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join ..Next message: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join .. 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Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join
by Christopher Kimball 27 Jun '16

27 Jun '16

I totally agree with you. Choice--its what makes the free-market work! Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: B. SEIB<mailto:oldwheel@shaw.ca> Sent: ‎6/‎26/‎2016 7:17 PM To: 'Christopher Kimball'<mailto:chrisvkimball@msn.com>; byrdjf(a)embarqmail.com<mailto:byrdjf@embarqmail.com> Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join No problem with that Chris. You're free to buy your way to what you want. I don't want the hard copies, cant belong to a chapter and don't want to pay extra for stuff I can't use. Michael's plan has given those of us who are in that position a fair way to belong to POCA. Despite any faults he may have, this new plan is a good thing. It's fair and offers freedom of choice. If I want to be railroaded into paying for stuff I don't want and can't use, I have three levels of government that already do that to me every day! I don't want you to lose your right to buy extras but you should pay for them, not the rest of the members who don't want/can't use them. Why exclude people from membership of POCA by forcing us to buy all the features some members want? It seems that's what the old guard have been up to for some time.... Barry _____ From: Christopher Kimball [mailto:chrisvkimball@msn.com] Sent: June-26-16 9:04 PM To: B. SEIB; byrdjf(a)embarqmail.com Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join Printing off stuff from my computer is inconvenient, time consuming, and the pages wouldn't be bound as are the current magazines. I'm not going to leave a bunch of pages stapled together in my office waiting room, but I do have several issues of Profiles there now. I don't mind paying a higher fee to get hard copies. If they come online I probably won't ever get to them. I get 150 emails per day and don't want to spend any more time on the computer than I have to. I'm becoming an old fogy; I admit it! Chris Sent from my Windows Phone _____ From: B. SEIB <mailto:oldwheel@shaw.ca> Sent: ‎6/‎26/‎2016 5:11 PM To: byrdjf(a)embarqmail.com Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join You can always print what you like from the pdf on your own color printer or a quick print locally Joseph. Barry Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. byrdjf at embarqmail.com Sun Jun 26 08:35:08 EDT 2016 Is the international option discussed/mentioned on the POCA web site? If one opts for the international, will hard copies be available to purchase in case there is one desired? -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of John Bennett Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 0:27 AM To: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join Great membership now only $50! > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com> > Subject: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join > Date: 26 June 2016 at 16:25:26 NZST > To: San Diego Panteras <sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>, Space City Panteras <SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com> > > Please spread the word! > > We have created an easy to remember, simple web address for people to sign up online. > > Simply go to > > www.poca.com/join <http://www.poca.com/join> > > to have people sign up. > > You can sign up people on your smart phone at car shows, events, etc. > > In addition, you can now choose the International option; no matter where you live, and receive a full POCA membership for $50.00 instead of $75.00. What this option gives you is to receive "Digital only" Newsletters and Profiles in full color pdf format. > > Note: If they want posted hardcopies then they would choose the Domestic option for the standard $75.00, > > Don't forget we have the 3 5 1 program, they more members you get benefits the club and yourself. Details here: > > https://poca.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=22 <https://poca.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=999896&module_ i> &club_id=999896&module_i d=225364 <https://poca.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=999896&module_ id=225364> > > Thanks, > > Ed Mendez > > PR Director - POCA > > www.poca.com <http://www.poca.com/> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "SDPANTERAS" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sdpanteras+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com <mailto:sdpanteras+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to sdpanteras at googlegroups.com <mailto:sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. .Previous message: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join .Next message: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join . Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] More information about the DeTomaso mailing list _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. I totally agree with you. Choice--its what makes the free-market work! Sent from my Windows Phone __________________________________________________________________ From: [1]B. SEIB Sent: 6/26/2016 7:17 PM To: [2]'Christopher Kimball'; [3]byrdjf(a)embarqmail.com Cc: [4]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join No problem with that Chris. You're free to buy your way to what you want. I don't want the hard copies, cant belong to a chapter and don't want to pay extra for stuff I can't use. Michael's plan has given those of us who are in that position a fair way to belong to POCA. Despite any faults he may have, this new plan is a good thing. It's fair and offers freedom of choice. If I want to be railroaded into paying for stuff I don't want and can't use, I have three levels of government that already do that to me every day! I don't want you to lose your right to buy extras but you should pay for them, not the rest of the members who don't want/can't use them. Why exclude people from membership of POCA by forcing us to buy all the features some members want? It seems that's what the old guard have been up to for some time.... Barry __________________________________________________________________ From: Christopher Kimball [mailto:chrisvkimball@msn.com] Sent: June-26-16 9:04 PM To: B. SEIB; byrdjf(a)embarqmail.com Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join Printing off stuff from my computer is inconvenient, time consuming, and the pages wouldn't be bound as are the current magazines. I'm not going to leave a bunch of pages stapled together in my office waiting room, but I do have several issues of Profiles there now. I don't mind paying a higher fee to get hard copies. If they come online I probably won't ever get to them. I get 150 emails per day and don't want to spend any more time on the computer than I have to. I'm becoming an old fogy; I admit it! Chris Sent from my Windows Phone __________________________________________________________________ From: [5]B. SEIB Sent: 6/26/2016 5:11 PM To: [6]byrdjf(a)embarqmail.com Cc: [7]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join You can always print what you like from the pdf on your own color printer or a quick print locally Joseph. Barry Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. byrdjf at embarqmail.com Sun Jun 26 08:35:08 EDT 2016 Is the international option discussed/mentioned on the POCA web site? If one opts for the international, will hard copies be available to purchase in case there is one desired? -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of John Bennett Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 0:27 AM To: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for [8]www.poca.com/join Great membership now only $50! > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com> > Subject: [SDP] New JOIN url for [9]www.poca.com/join > Date: 26 June 2016 at 16:25:26 NZST > To: San Diego Panteras <sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>, Space City Panteras <SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com> > > Please spread the word! > > We have created an easy to remember, simple web address for people to sign up online. > > Simply go to > > [10]www.poca.com/join <[11]http://www.poca.com/join> > > to have people sign up. > > You can sign up people on your smart phone at car shows, events, etc. > > In addition, you can now choose the International option; no matter where you live, and receive a full POCA membership for $50.00 instead of $75.00. What this option gives you is to receive "Digital only" Newsletters and Profiles in full color pdf format. > > Note: If they want posted hardcopies then they would choose the Domestic option for the standard $75.00, > > Don't forget we have the 3 5 1 program, they more members you get benefits the club and yourself. Details here: > > [12]https://poca.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=999896 &module_i d=225364 <https://poca.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=999896&mo dule_ id=225364> > > Thanks, > > Ed Mendez > > PR Director - POCA > > [13]www.poca.com <[14]http://www.poca.com/> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "SDPANTERAS" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sdpanteras+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com <mailto:sdpanteras+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to sdpanteras at googlegroups.com <mailto:sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>. > For more options, visit [15]https://groups.google.com/d/optout <[16]https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. .Previous message: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for [17]www.poca.com/join .Next message: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for [18]www.poca.com/join . 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Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join
by John Bennett 27 Jun '16

27 Jun '16

Ken, See below from Mr. Shortt. John Sent using Zoho Mail ============ Forwarded message ============ >From :Michael Shortt <michaelsavga(a)gmail.com> To : "John Bennett"<jbennett111(a)zoho.com> Date : Sun, 26 Jun 2016 19:00:50 -0700 Subject : Re: Fwd: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join ============ Forwarded message ============ Please share on my behalf. That is all coming, we have National engine builders writing articles now. Im seeking a 100% restoration candidate who will take lots of photos and write four , 4 page articles for the next year of Profiles. From disassembling to completion. If you know of any , please have them contact me. Michael ============ Forwarded message ============ >From :Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> To : "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr."<byrdjf(a)embarqmail.com>, "'B. SEIB'"<oldwheel(a)shaw.ca> Cc : "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com"<detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Date : Sun, 26 Jun 2016 17:25:03 -0700 Subject : Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join ============ Forwarded message ============ I miss reading the detailed descriptions of builds in the PI publication. I don't think POCA ever had anything like them. Ken From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf(a)embarqmail.com> To: 'B. SEIB' <oldwheel(a)shaw.ca> Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join I was just thinking, if I ever DO put 5177 back together AND a Profile article published...But what are the chances that is going to happen? Joe Back to renewing as an international, what would be the deal with the reimbursement back to the local chapter? Really would not matter too much as I am not a member of one. I got 30 days to decide. Full, digital, or non member. -----Original Message----- From: B. SEIB [mailto:oldwheel@shaw.ca] Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 20:11 PM To: byrdjf(a)embarqmail.com Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com; jbennett111(a)zoho.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join You can always print what you like from the pdf on your own color printer or a quick print locally Joseph. Barry Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. byrdjf at embarqmail.com Sun Jun 26 08:35:08 EDT 2016 Is the international option discussed/mentioned on the POCA web site? If one opts for the international, will hard copies be available to purchase in case there is one desired? -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of John Bennett Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 0:27 AM To: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join Great membership now only $50! > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com> > Subject: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join > Date: 26 June 2016 at 16:25:26 NZST > To: San Diego Panteras <sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>, Space City Panteras <SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com> > > Please spread the word! > > We have created an easy to remember, simple web address for people to > sign up online. > > Simply go to > > www.poca.com/join <http://www.poca.com/join> > > to have people sign up. > > You can sign up people on your smart phone at car shows, events, etc. > > In addition, you can now choose the International option; no matter > where you live, and receive a full POCA membership for $50.00 instead of $75.00. What this option gives you is to receive "Digital only" Newsletters and Profiles in full color pdf format. > > Note: If they want posted hardcopies then they would choose the > Domestic option for the standard $75.00, > > Don't forget we have the 3 5 1 program, they more members you get > benefits the club and yourself. Details here: > > https://poca.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=999896&amp… d=225364 <https://poca.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=999896&module_ id=225364> > > Thanks, > > Ed Mendez > > PR Director - POCA > > www.poca.com <http://www.poca.com/> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "SDPANTERAS" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to sdpanteras+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com <mailto:sdpanteras+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to sdpanteras at googlegroups.com <mailto:sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. .Previous message: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join .Next message: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join . Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] More information about the DeTomaso mailing list _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. I miss reading the detailed descriptions of builds in the PI publication. I don't think POCA ever had anything like them. Ken __________________________________________________________________ From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf(a)embarqmail.com> To: 'B. SEIB' <oldwheel(a)shaw.ca> Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join I was just thinking, if I ever DO put 5177 back together AND a Profile article published...But what are the chances that is going to happen? Joe Back to renewing as an international, what would be the deal with the reimbursement back to the local chapter? Really would not matter too much as I am not a member of one. I got 30 days to decide. Full, digital, or non member. -----Original Message----- From: B. SEIB [mailto:[1]oldwheel@shaw.ca] Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 20:11 PM To: [2]byrdjf(a)embarqmail.com Cc: [3]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com; [4]jbennett111(a)zoho.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join You can always print what you like from the pdf on your own color printer or a quick print locally Joseph. Barry Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. byrdjf at embarqmail.com Sun Jun 26 08:35:08 EDT 2016 Is the international option discussed/mentioned on the POCA web site? If one opts for the international, will hard copies be available to purchase in case there is one desired? -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of John Bennett Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 0:27 AM To: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join Great membership now only $50! > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com> > Subject: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join > Date: 26 June 2016 at 16:25:26 NZST > To: San Diego Panteras <sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>, Space City Panteras <SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com> > > Please spread the word! > > We have created an easy to remember, simple web address for people to > sign up online. > > Simply go to > > www.poca.com/join <[5]http://www.poca.com/join> > > to have people sign up. > > You can sign up people on your smart phone at car shows, events, etc. > > In addition, you can now choose the International option; no matter > where you live, and receive a full POCA membership for $50.00 instead of $75.00. What this option gives you is to receive "Digital only" Newsletters and Profiles in full color pdf format. > > Note: If they want posted hardcopies then they would choose the > Domestic option for the standard $75.00, > > Don't forget we have the 3 5 1 program, they more members you get > benefits the club and yourself. Details here: > > [6]https://poca.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=999896&a… module_i d=225364 <[7]https://poca.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=999896 &module_ id=225364> > > Thanks, > > Ed Mendez > > PR Director - POCA > > www.poca.com <[8]http://www.poca.com/> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "SDPANTERAS" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to sdpanteras+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com <mailto:sdpanteras+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to sdpanteras at googlegroups.com <mailto:sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>. > For more options, visit [9]https://groups.google.com/d/optout <[10]https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. .Previous message: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join .Next message: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join . 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Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Ken, See below from Mr. Shortt. John Sent using [1]Zoho Mail ============ Forwarded message ============ From :Michael Shortt <michaelsavga(a)gmail.com> To : "John Bennett"<jbennett111(a)zoho.com> Date : Sun, 26 Jun 2016 19:00:50 -0700 Subject : Re: Fwd: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join ============ Forwarded message ============ Please share on my behalf. That is all coming, we have National engine builders writing articles now. Im seeking a 100% restoration candidate who will take lots of photos and write four , 4 page articles for the next year of Profiles. From disassembling to completion. If you know of any , please have them contact me. Michael ============ Forwarded message ============ From :Ken Green via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> To : "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr."<[3]byrdjf(a)embarqmail.com>, "'B. SEIB'"<[4]oldwheel(a)shaw.ca> Cc : "[5]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com"<[6]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.c om> Date : Sun, 26 Jun 2016 17:25:03 -0700 Subject : Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for [7]www.poca.com/join ============ Forwarded message ============ I miss reading the detailed descriptions of builds in the PI publication. I don't think POCA ever had anything like them. Ken From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <[8]byrdjf(a)embarqmail.com> To: 'B. SEIB' <[9]oldwheel(a)shaw.ca> Cc: [10]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for [11]www.poca.com/join I was just thinking, if I ever DO put 5177 back together AND a Profile article published...But what are the chances that is going to happen? Joe Back to renewing as an international, what would be the deal with the reimbursement back to the local chapter? Really would not matter too much as I am not a member of one. I got 30 days to decide. Full, digital, or non member. -----Original Message----- From: B. SEIB [mailto:[12]oldwheel@shaw.ca] Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 20:11 PM To: [13]byrdjf(a)embarqmail.com Cc: [14]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com; [15]jbennett111(a)zoho.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for [16]www.poca.com/join You can always print what you like from the pdf on your own color printer or a quick print locally Joseph. Barry Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. byrdjf at [17]embarqmail.com Sun Jun 26 08:35:08 EDT 2016 Is the international option discussed/mentioned on the POCA web site? If one opts for the international, will hard copies be available to purchase in case there is one desired? -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[18]detomaso-bounces at [19]server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of John Bennett Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 0:27 AM To: DeTomaso at [20]server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for [21]www.poca.com/join Great membership now only $50! > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Ed Mendez <edducati at [22]mac.com> > Subject: [SDP] New JOIN url for [23]www.poca.com/join > Date: 26 June 2016 at 16:25:26 NZST > To: San Diego Panteras <sdpanteras at [24]googlegroups.com>, Space City Panteras <SCPOCA at [25]yahoogroups.com> > > Please spread the word! > > We have created an easy to remember, simple web address for people to > sign up online. > > Simply go to > > [26]www.poca.com/join <[27]http://www.poca.com/join> > > to have people sign up. > > You can sign up people on your smart phone at car shows, events, etc. > > In addition, you can now choose the International option; no matter > where you live, and receive a full POCA membership for $50.00 instead of $75.00. What this option gives you is to receive "Digital only" Newsletters and Profiles in full color pdf format. > > Note: If they want posted hardcopies then they would choose the > Domestic option for the standard $75.00, > > Don't forget we have the 3 5 1 program, they more members you get > benefits the club and yourself. Details here: > > [28]https://poca.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=999896 &module_i d=225364 <[29]https://poca.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=99989 6&module_ id=225364> > > Thanks, > > Ed Mendez > > PR Director - POCA > > [30]www.poca.com <[31]http://www.poca.com/> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "SDPANTERAS" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to sdpanteras+unsubscribe at [32]googlegroups.com <mailto:[33]sdpanteras+unsubscribe at [34]googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to sdpanteras at [35]googlegroups.com <mailto:[36]sdpanteras at [37]googlegroups.com>. > For more options, visit [38]https://groups.google.com/d/optout <[39]https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. .Previous message: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for [40]www.poca.com/join .Next message: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for [41]www.poca.com/join . Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] More information about the DeTomaso mailing list _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [42]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com [43]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. I miss reading the detailed descriptions of builds in the PI publication. I don't think POCA ever had anything like them. Ken __________________________________________________________________ From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <[44]byrdjf(a)embarqmail.com> To: 'B. SEIB' <[45]oldwheel(a)shaw.ca> Cc: [46]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for [47]www.poca.com/join I was just thinking, if I ever DO put 5177 back together AND a Profile article published...But what are the chances that is going to happen? Joe Back to renewing as an international, what would be the deal with the reimbursement back to the local chapter? Really would not matter too much as I am not a member of one. I got 30 days to decide. Full, digital, or non member. -----Original Message----- From: B. SEIB [mailto:[1][48]oldwheel@shaw.ca] Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 20:11 PM To: [2][49]byrdjf(a)embarqmail.com Cc: [3][50]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com; [4][51]jbennett111(a)zoho.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for [52]www.poca.com/join You can always print what you like from the pdf on your own color printer or a quick print locally Joseph. Barry Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. byrdjf at [53]embarqmail.com Sun Jun 26 08:35:08 EDT 2016 Is the international option discussed/mentioned on the POCA web site? If one opts for the international, will hard copies be available to purchase in case there is one desired? -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[54]detomaso-bounces at [55]server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of John Bennett Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 0:27 AM To: DeTomaso at [56]server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for [57]www.poca.com/join Great membership now only $50! > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Ed Mendez <edducati at [58]mac.com> > Subject: [SDP] New JOIN url for [59]www.poca.com/join > Date: 26 June 2016 at 16:25:26 NZST > To: San Diego Panteras <sdpanteras at [60]googlegroups.com>, Space City Panteras <SCPOCA at [61]yahoogroups.com> > > Please spread the word! > > We have created an easy to remember, simple web address for people to > sign up online. > > Simply go to > > [62]www.poca.com/join <[5][63]http://www.poca.com/join> > > to have people sign up. > > You can sign up people on your smart phone at car shows, events, etc. > > In addition, you can now choose the International option; no matter > where you live, and receive a full POCA membership for $50.00 instead of $75.00. What this option gives you is to receive "Digital only" Newsletters and Profiles in full color pdf format. > > Note: If they want posted hardcopies then they would choose the > Domestic option for the standard $75.00, > > Don't forget we have the 3 5 1 program, they more members you get > benefits the club and yourself. Details here: > > [6][64]https://poca.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=999 896& module_i d=225364 <[7][65]https://poca.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=99 9896 &module_ id=225364> > > Thanks, > > Ed Mendez > > PR Director - POCA > > [66]www.poca.com <[8][67]http://www.poca.com/> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "SDPANTERAS" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to sdpanteras+unsubscribe at [68]googlegroups.com <mailto:[69]sdpanteras+unsubscribe at [70]googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to sdpanteras at [71]googlegroups.com <mailto:[72]sdpanteras at [73]googlegroups.com>. > For more options, visit [9][74]https://groups.google.com/d/optout <[10][75]https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. .Previous message: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for [76]www.poca.com/join .Next message: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for [77]www.poca.com/join . 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Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join
by Christopher Kimball 27 Jun '16

27 Jun '16

Printing off stuff from my computer is inconvenient, time consuming, and the pages wouldn't be bound as are the current magazines. I'm not going to leave a bunch of pages stapled together in my office waiting room, but I do have several issues of Profiles there now. I don't mind paying a higher fee to get hard copies. If they come online I probably won't ever get to them. I get 150 emails per day and don't want to spend any more time on the computer than I have to. I'm becoming an old fogy; I admit it! Chris Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: B. SEIB<mailto:oldwheel@shaw.ca> Sent: ‎6/‎26/‎2016 5:11 PM To: byrdjf(a)embarqmail.com<mailto:byrdjf@embarqmail.com> Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join You can always print what you like from the pdf on your own color printer or a quick print locally Joseph. Barry Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. byrdjf at embarqmail.com Sun Jun 26 08:35:08 EDT 2016 Is the international option discussed/mentioned on the POCA web site? If one opts for the international, will hard copies be available to purchase in case there is one desired? -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of John Bennett Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 0:27 AM To: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join Great membership now only $50! > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com> > Subject: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join > Date: 26 June 2016 at 16:25:26 NZST > To: San Diego Panteras <sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>, Space City Panteras <SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com> > > Please spread the word! > > We have created an easy to remember, simple web address for people to sign up online. > > Simply go to > > www.poca.com/join <http://www.poca.com/join> > > to have people sign up. > > You can sign up people on your smart phone at car shows, events, etc. > > In addition, you can now choose the International option; no matter where you live, and receive a full POCA membership for $50.00 instead of $75.00. What this option gives you is to receive "Digital only" Newsletters and Profiles in full color pdf format. > > Note: If they want posted hardcopies then they would choose the Domestic option for the standard $75.00, > > Don't forget we have the 3 5 1 program, they more members you get benefits the club and yourself. Details here: > > https://poca.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=999896&module_i d=225364 <https://poca.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=999896&module_ id=225364> > > Thanks, > > Ed Mendez > > PR Director - POCA > > www.poca.com <http://www.poca.com/> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "SDPANTERAS" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sdpanteras+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com <mailto:sdpanteras+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to sdpanteras at googlegroups.com <mailto:sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. .Previous message: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join .Next message: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join . Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] More information about the DeTomaso mailing list _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Printing off stuff from my computer is inconvenient, time consuming, and the pages wouldn't be bound as are the current magazines. I'm not going to leave a bunch of pages stapled together in my office waiting room, but I do have several issues of Profiles there now. I don't mind paying a higher fee to get hard copies. If they come online I probably won't ever get to them. I get 150 emails per day and don't want to spend any more time on the computer than I have to. I'm becoming an old fogy; I admit it! Chris Sent from my Windows Phone __________________________________________________________________ From: [1]B. SEIB Sent: 6/26/2016 5:11 PM To: [2]byrdjf(a)embarqmail.com Cc: [3]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join You can always print what you like from the pdf on your own color printer or a quick print locally Joseph. Barry Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. byrdjf at embarqmail.com Sun Jun 26 08:35:08 EDT 2016 Is the international option discussed/mentioned on the POCA web site? If one opts for the international, will hard copies be available to purchase in case there is one desired? -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of John Bennett Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 0:27 AM To: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for [4]www.poca.com/join Great membership now only $50! > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com> > Subject: [SDP] New JOIN url for [5]www.poca.com/join > Date: 26 June 2016 at 16:25:26 NZST > To: San Diego Panteras <sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>, Space City Panteras <SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com> > > Please spread the word! > > We have created an easy to remember, simple web address for people to sign up online. > > Simply go to > > [6]www.poca.com/join <[7]http://www.poca.com/join> > > to have people sign up. > > You can sign up people on your smart phone at car shows, events, etc. > > In addition, you can now choose the International option; no matter where you live, and receive a full POCA membership for $50.00 instead of $75.00. What this option gives you is to receive "Digital only" Newsletters and Profiles in full color pdf format. > > Note: If they want posted hardcopies then they would choose the Domestic option for the standard $75.00, > > Don't forget we have the 3 5 1 program, they more members you get benefits the club and yourself. Details here: > > [8]https://poca.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=999896& module_i d=225364 <https://poca.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=999896&mo dule_ id=225364> > > Thanks, > > Ed Mendez > > PR Director - POCA > > [9]www.poca.com <[10]http://www.poca.com/> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "SDPANTERAS" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sdpanteras+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com <mailto:sdpanteras+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to sdpanteras at googlegroups.com <mailto:sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>. > For more options, visit [11]https://groups.google.com/d/optout <[12]https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. .Previous message: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for [13]www.poca.com/join .Next message: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for [14]www.poca.com/join . 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Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join
by B. SEIB 27 Jun '16

27 Jun '16

You can always print what you like from the pdf on your own color printer or a quick print locally Joseph. Barry Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. byrdjf at embarqmail.com Sun Jun 26 08:35:08 EDT 2016 Is the international option discussed/mentioned on the POCA web site? If one opts for the international, will hard copies be available to purchase in case there is one desired? -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of John Bennett Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 0:27 AM To: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join Great membership now only $50! > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com> > Subject: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join > Date: 26 June 2016 at 16:25:26 NZST > To: San Diego Panteras <sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>, Space City Panteras <SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com> > > Please spread the word! > > We have created an easy to remember, simple web address for people to sign up online. > > Simply go to > > www.poca.com/join <http://www.poca.com/join> > > to have people sign up. > > You can sign up people on your smart phone at car shows, events, etc. > > In addition, you can now choose the International option; no matter where you live, and receive a full POCA membership for $50.00 instead of $75.00. What this option gives you is to receive "Digital only" Newsletters and Profiles in full color pdf format. > > Note: If they want posted hardcopies then they would choose the Domestic option for the standard $75.00, > > Don't forget we have the 3 5 1 program, they more members you get benefits the club and yourself. Details here: > > https://poca.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=999896&module_i d=225364 <https://poca.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=999896&module_ id=225364> > > Thanks, > > Ed Mendez > > PR Director - POCA > > www.poca.com <http://www.poca.com/> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "SDPANTERAS" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sdpanteras+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com <mailto:sdpanteras+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to sdpanteras at googlegroups.com <mailto:sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. .Previous message: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join .Next message: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join . Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] More information about the DeTomaso mailing list

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Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis
by marshallgsmith 26 Jun '16

26 Jun '16

Now wait a minute Dick, what you write here is WAY too level-headed for this forum! Who is this really?? All joking aside, I obtain multiple bids for every one of a 'number' of projects that I need to conduct every year. If I found a company that could save me $8,000 a year on a particular project, I would have felt like I won the lottery! Sure, every once in a while the new company who submitted the lowest bid does not do as good of a job of the old one but when that happens, I go back to the next bid which sometimes was the same company I used previously and all is back to normal.$8,000 a year is an awful lot of money just to stay with the company that you have and had comfort with. The statement of adding color to the newsletter would of course cost a bit more money but when you consider that we would be saving $8,000 off the top, we have a touch more money to play with and the savings would still be very sizable. Plus, if any car club newsletter in this country is worthy of several color pages, it absolutely would be Jack DeRyke's!! This club is and will be indebted to you forever Jack! Thanks for the wonderful work you do to keep our colorful jalopies on the road!! Marshall Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Dick Koch <redcatman74(a)gmail.com> Date: 05/29/2016 9:57 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Ed Mendez <edducati(a)mac.com> Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis Ed, thanks for the clarification of the misinformation and non-productive comments that have been made in recent weeks, many very personal and vindictive, and quite frankly detrimental to the club. It is good to have different points of view on club business. But to present one's point of view in a negative and personal manner, does nothing but diminish that person's potentially valued point, and their persona in the eyes of others. From some of the comments made, it appears obvious to me that many of the detractors do not have much experience in running a business. And make no mistake POCA is a business, albeit a non-profit one. To thrive, this club must not stand on it's laurels, but continue to enhance it's value add to it's customers. As far as looking at the printer used for the production of the newsletter, for the board to not look for less expensive options, as with any other expense, with better offerings, is irresponsible. I can only wonder what is going on behind the scenes that would have folks want to stay with a service provider that is noncompetitive and provides less for much more money. We have enough cronyism in our government. Hopefully that is not the case here, and there has been a reason for keeping a more expensive service that provides less. I won't bother to comment on the absurdity of continuing to mail the newsletter, that can be printed by anyone that is not to lazy to take 3 minutes to print it, since that may be construed as negative. As regards to a point Ed stated, the club is not run by one person. Each person on the board has a say, with a majority required to decide on every issue. Pointing ones frustration at one person is just that, pointless. Items approved by the board, were "sold" to the board by a member of the board to the other members of the board, showing how approving that item would benefit the club member's experience, with the underlying financial implications outlined that would strengthen the clubs long term financial health. Constructive criticism is just that: criticism presented in a constructive manner, with negative comments of a personal nature irrelevant and therefore non-constructive. I for one think the new POCA board is doing a fantastic job, and to think they are doing their job for free. What a deal... By the way, if someone feels they want to get personal with their comments, take it out on me. I deserve it for letting 6831 sit idle with a blown header gasket for years. Peace, fellow "cat" owners. Dick Koch - Atlanta Still one of the few remaining original Pantera owners still lucky enough to be on the sunny side of the grass. On May 29, 2016 2:12 AM, "Ed Mendez" <edducati(a)mac.com> wrote: > See below. > > > On 28/05/2016, at 11:53, Rod Kunishige <rkunishige(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > It is interesting that this President changed a generous grace period > > without notice. > > False it's in the bylaws and has been for some time now. Warning at 30 > days, at 60 days the membership expires, check the Fiat club, Ferrari club, > Porsche club, they all have similar rules. > > > > The so-called "shortfall" is created in part by the $10 increased > > rebate to the chapters that was NOT requested in the first place. The > > return of this sum places the club at nearly breakeven. Simply, use > > the money to pay for our publication costs. > False - check your facts, the rebate was welcome by the majority chapter > presidents. > > > PROPOSED: $75 dues less $15 to chapters yields $60 to fund the $62.52 > > publication estimate per MS. > > That is true, and that is why we are trying to get competitive quotes for > printing to try and save money. MS found a printer that is $8000 per year > cheaper than the one we are currently using. > > > > Our $100,000 reserve would easily fund the $2.52 per year. Carrying > > 853 members at $2.52 is $2,149.56 per year. Divide that into 100,000 > > means funding covers 46.5 YEARS. > False - check your facts, most non profits have two year reserve in the > bank, the Ferrari and Porsche clubs have $1,000,000 each in reserve. You > can google there income statements. > > > > OPINION: > > > > I do recognize that Mr. Shortt controls the Board by a 5 to 4 vote but > > there I think that this is a better solution than what MS has > > proposed. Finally, kudos goes to him for at least publishing the > > actions he intends to take so we may make positive suggestions for > > False, if you look at the meeting minutes of the BOD, most things we have > coated on have been either unanimous vote or close to it, in fact there > very few times it was 5-4. Again we vote in the best interest of the club > > This forum is supposed to be about DeTomaso, hence the name; and should > not be used for POCA bashing, it really makes us all look bad. If you have > an issue talk with someone about your concern, preferably your chapter > president, they are your representative as in any organization. It's very > easy to simply pick up the phone instead of using this email list as a > podium for your disdain of MS. It's obvious, we get it. Please take it > offline. > > If you think you can do a better job than volunteer as I did, and many > others before me, and run for office. > > Kind regards > > > (Information taken from the Presidents Blog.) > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > > > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. > Ed, thanks for the clarification of the misinformation and non-productive comments that have been made in recent weeks, many very personal and vindictive, and quite frankly detrimental to the club. It is good to have different points of view on club business. But to present one's point of view in a negative and personalA manner, does nothing but diminish that person's potentially valued point, and their persona in the eyes of others. From some of the comments made, it appears obvious to me that many of the detractors do not have much experience in running a business. And make no mistake POCA is a business, albeit a non-profit one. To thrive, this club must not stand on it's laurels, but continue to enhance it's value add to it's customers. As far as looking at the printer used for the production of the newsletter, for the board to not look for less expensive options, as with any other expense, with better offerings, is irresponsible. I can only wonder what is going on behind the scenes that would have folks want to stay with a service provider that is noncompetitive and provides less for much more money.A We have enough cronyism in our government. Hopefully that is not the case here, and there has been a reason for keeping a more expensive service that provides less. I won't bother to comment on the absurdity of continuing to mail the newsletter, that can be printed by anyoneA that is not to lazy to take 3 minutes to print it, since that may be construed as negative. As regards to a point Ed stated, the club is not run by one person.A Each person on the board has a say, with a majority required to decide on every issue. Pointing ones frustration at one person is just that, pointless. Items approved by the board, were "sold" to the board by a member of the board to the other members of the board, showing how approving that item would benefit the club member's experience, with the underlying financial implications outlined that would strengthen the clubs long term financial health. Constructive criticism is just that: criticism presented in a constructive manner, with negative comments of a personal nature irrelevant and therefore non-constructive. I for one think the new POCA board is doing a fantastic job, and to think they are doing their job for free. What a deal... By the way, if someone feels they want to get personal with their comments, take it out on me.A I deserve it for letting 6831 sit idle with a blown header gasket for years. Peace, fellow "cat" owners. Dick Koch - Atlanta Still one of the few remaining original Pantera owners still lucky enough to be on the sunny side of the grass. On May 29, 2016 2:12 AM, "Ed Mendez" <[1]edducati(a)mac.com> wrote: See below. > On 28/05/2016, at 11:53, Rod Kunishige <[2]rkunishige(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >A It is interesting that this President changed a generous grace period >A without notice. False it's in the bylaws and has been for some time now. Warning at 30 days, at 60 days the membership expires, check the Fiat club, Ferrari club, Porsche club, they all have similar rules. > >A The so-called "shortfall" is created in part by the $10 increased >A rebate to the chapters that was NOT requested in the first place.A The >A return of this sum places the club at nearly breakeven.A Simply, use >A the money to pay for our publication costs. False - check your facts, the rebate was welcome by the majority chapter presidents. >A PROPOSED:A $75 dues less $15 to chapters yields $60 to fund the $62.52 >A publication estimate per MS. That is true, and that is why we are trying to get competitive quotes for printing to try and save money. MS found a printer that is $8000 per year cheaper than the one we are currently using. > >A Our $100,000 reserve would easily fund the $2.52 per year.A Carrying >A 853 members at $2.52 is $2,149.56 per year.A Divide that into 100,000 >A means funding covers 46.5 YEARS. False - check your facts, most non profits have two year reserve in the bank, the Ferrari and Porsche clubs have $1,000,000 each in reserve. You can google there income statements. >A OPINION: > >A I do recognize that Mr. Shortt controls the Board by a 5 to 4 vote but >A there I think that this is a better solution than what MS has >A proposed.A Finally, kudos goes to him for at least publishing the >A actions he intends to take so we may make positive suggestions for False, if you look at the meeting minutes of the BOD, most things we have coated on have been either unanimous vote or close to it, in fact there very few times it was 5-4. Again we vote in the best interest of the club This forum is supposed to be about DeTomaso, hence the name; and should not be used for POCA bashing, it really makes us all look bad. If you have an issue talk with someone about your concern, preferably your chapter president, they are your representative as in any organization. It's very easy to simply pick up the phone instead of using this email list as a podium for your disdain of MS. It's obvious, we get it. Please take it offline. If you think you can do a better job than volunteer as I did, and many others before me, and run for office. Kind regards >A (Information taken from the Presidents Blog.) > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [3]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [5]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com [6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:edducati@mac.com 2. mailto:rkunishige@hotmail.com 3. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 5. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Now wait a minute Dick, what you write here is WAY too level-headed for this forum! Who is this really?? All joking aside, I obtain multiple bids for every one of a 'number' of projects that I need to conduct every year. If I found a company that could save me $8,000 a year on a particular project, I would have felt like I won the lottery! Sure, every once in a while the new company who submitted the lowest bid does not do as good of a job of the old one but when that happens, I go back to the next bid which sometimes was the same company I used previously and all is back to normal. $8,000 a year is an awful lot of money just to stay with the company that you have and had comfort with. The statement of adding color to the newsletter would of course cost a bit more money but when you consider that we would be saving $8,000 off the top, we have a touch more money to play with and the savings would still be very sizable. Plus, if any car club newsletter in this country is worthy of several color pages, it absolutely would be Jack DeRyke's!! This club is and will be indebted to you forever Jack! Thanks for the wonderful work you do to keep our colorful jalopies on the road!! Marshall Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Dick Koch <redcatman74(a)gmail.com> Date: 05/29/2016 9:57 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Ed Mendez <edducati(a)mac.com> Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis Ed, thanks for the clarification of the misinformation and non-productive comments that have been made in recent weeks, many very personal and vindictive, and quite frankly detrimental to the club. It is good to have different points of view on club business. But to present one's point of view in a negative and personal manner, does nothing but diminish that person's potentially valued point, and their persona in the eyes of others. From some of the comments made, it appears obvious to me that many of the detractors do not have much experience in running a business. And make no mistake POCA is a business, albeit a non-profit one. To thrive, this club must not stand on it's laurels, but continue to enhance it's value add to it's customers. As far as looking at the printer used for the production of the newsletter, for the board to not look for less expensive options, as with any other expense, with better offerings, is irresponsible. I can only wonder what is going on behind the scenes that would have folks want to stay with a service provider that is noncompetitive and provides less for much more money. We have enough cronyism in our government. Hopefully that is not the case here, and there has been a reason for keeping a more expensive service that provides less. I won't bother to comment on the absurdity of continuing to mail the newsletter, that can be printed by anyone that is not to lazy to take 3 minutes to print it, since that may be construed as negative. As regards to a point Ed stated, the club is not run by one person. Each person on the board has a say, with a majority required to decide on every issue. Pointing ones frustration at one person is just that, pointless. Items approved by the board, were "sold" to the board by a member of the board to the other members of the board, showing how approving that item would benefit the club member's experience, with the underlying financial implications outlined that would strengthen the clubs long term financial health. Constructive criticism is just that: criticism presented in a constructive manner, with negative comments of a personal nature irrelevant and therefore non-constructive. I for one think the new POCA board is doing a fantastic job, and to think they are doing their job for free. What a deal... By the way, if someone feels they want to get personal with their comments, take it out on me. I deserve it for letting 6831 sit idle with a blown header gasket for years. Peace, fellow "cat" owners. Dick Koch - Atlanta Still one of the few remaining original Pantera owners still lucky enough to be on the sunny side of the grass. On May 29, 2016 2:12 AM, "Ed Mendez" <edducati(a)mac.com> wrote: > See below. > > > On 28/05/2016, at 11:53, Rod Kunishige <rkunishige(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > It is interesting that this President changed a generous grace period > > without notice. > > False it's in the bylaws and has been for some time now. Warning at 30 > days, at 60 days the membership expires, check the Fiat club, Ferrari club, > Porsche club, they all have similar rules. > > > > The so-called "shortfall" is created in part by the $10 increased > > rebate to the chapters that was NOT requested in the first place. The > > return of this sum places the club at nearly breakeven. Simply, use > > the money to pay for our publication costs. > False - check your facts, the rebate was welcome by the majority chapter > presidents. > > > PROPOSED: $75 dues less $15 to chapters yields $60 to fund the $62.52 > > publication estimate per MS. > > That is true, and that is why we are trying to get competitive quotes for > printing to try and save money. MS found a printer that is $8000 per year > cheaper than the one we are currently using. > > > > Our $100,000 reserve would easily fund the $2.52 per year. Carrying > > 853 members at $2.52 is $2,149.56 per year. Divide that into 100,000 > > means funding covers 46.5 YEARS. > False - check your facts, most non profits have two year reserve in the > bank, the Ferrari and Porsche clubs have $1,000,000 each in reserve. You > can google there income statements. > > > > OPINION: > > > > I do recognize that Mr. Shortt controls the Board by a 5 to 4 vote but > > there I think that this is a better solution than what MS has > > proposed. Finally, kudos goes to him for at least publishing the > > actions he intends to take so we may make positive suggestions for > > False, if you look at the meeting minutes of the BOD, most things we have > coated on have been either unanimous vote or close to it, in fact there > very few times it was 5-4. Again we vote in the best interest of the club > > This forum is supposed to be about DeTomaso, hence the name; and should > not be used for POCA bashing, it really makes us all look bad. If you have > an issue talk with someone about your concern, preferably your chapter > president, they are your representative as in any organization. It's very > easy to simply pick up the phone instead of using this email list as a > podium for your disdain of MS. It's obvious, we get it. Please take it > offline. > > If you think you can do a better job than volunteer as I did, and many > others before me, and run for office. > > Kind regards > > > (Information taken from the Presidents Blog.) > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > > > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. > Ed, thanks for the clarification of the misinformation and non-productive comments that have been made in recent weeks, many very personal and vindictive, and quite frankly detrimental to the club. It is good to have different points of view on club business. But to present one's point of view in a negative and personalA manner, does nothing but diminish that person's potentially valued point, and their persona in the eyes of others. From some of the comments made, it appears obvious to me that many of the detractors do not have much experience in running a business. And make no mistake POCA is a business, albeit a non-profit one. To thrive, this club must not stand on it's laurels, but continue to enhance it's value add to it's customers. As far as looking at the printer used for the production of the newsletter, for the board to not look for less expensive options, as with any other expense, with better offerings, is irresponsible. I can only wonder what is going on behind the scenes that would have folks want to stay with a service provider that is noncompetitive and provides less for much more money.A We have enough cronyism in our government. Hopefully that is not the case here, and there has been a reason for keeping a more expensive service that provides less. I won't bother to comment on the absurdity of continuing to mail the newsletter, that can be printed by anyoneA that is not to lazy to take 3 minutes to print it, since that may be construed as negative. As regards to a point Ed stated, the club is not run by one person.A Each person on the board has a say, with a majority required to decide on every issue. Pointing ones frustration at one person is just that, pointless. Items approved by the board, were "sold" to the board by a member of the board to the other members of the board, showing how approving that item would benefit the club member's experience, with the underlying financial implications outlined that would strengthen the clubs long term financial health. Constructive criticism is just that: criticism presented in a constructive manner, with negative comments of a personal nature irrelevant and therefore non-constructive. I for one think the new POCA board is doing a fantastic job, and to think they are doing their job for free. What a deal... By the way, if someone feels they want to get personal with their comments, take it out on me.A I deserve it for letting 6831 sit idle with a blown header gasket for years. Peace, fellow "cat" owners. Dick Koch - Atlanta Still one of the few remaining original Pantera owners still lucky enough to be on the sunny side of the grass. On May 29, 2016 2:12 AM, "Ed Mendez" <[1]edducati(a)mac.com> wrote: See below. > On 28/05/2016, at 11:53, Rod Kunishige <[2]rkunishige(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >A It is interesting that this President changed a generous grace period >A without notice. False it's in the bylaws and has been for some time now. Warning at 30 days, at 60 days the membership expires, check the Fiat club, Ferrari club, Porsche club, they all have similar rules. > >A The so-called "shortfall" is created in part by the $10 increased >A rebate to the chapters that was NOT requested in the first place.A The >A return of this sum places the club at nearly breakeven.A Simply, use >A the money to pay for our publication costs. False - check your facts, the rebate was welcome by the majority chapter presidents. >A PROPOSED:A $75 dues less $15 to chapters yields $60 to fund the $62.52 >A publication estimate per MS. That is true, and that is why we are trying to get competitive quotes for printing to try and save money. MS found a printer that is $8000 per year cheaper than the one we are currently using. > >A Our $100,000 reserve would easily fund the $2.52 per year.A Carrying >A 853 members at $2.52 is $2,149.56 per year.A Divide that into 100,000 >A means funding covers 46.5 YEARS. False - check your facts, most non profits have two year reserve in the bank, the Ferrari and Porsche clubs have $1,000,000 each in reserve. You can google there income statements. >A OPINION: > >A I do recognize that Mr. Shortt controls the Board by a 5 to 4 vote but >A there I think that this is a better solution than what MS has >A proposed.A Finally, kudos goes to him for at least publishing the >A actions he intends to take so we may make positive suggestions for False, if you look at the meeting minutes of the BOD, most things we have coated on have been either unanimous vote or close to it, in fact there very few times it was 5-4. Again we vote in the best interest of the club This forum is supposed to be about DeTomaso, hence the name; and should not be used for POCA bashing, it really makes us all look bad. If you have an issue talk with someone about your concern, preferably your chapter president, they are your representative as in any organization. It's very easy to simply pick up the phone instead of using this email list as a podium for your disdain of MS. It's obvious, we get it. Please take it offline. If you think you can do a better job than volunteer as I did, and many others before me, and run for office. Kind regards >A (Information taken from the Presidents Blog.) > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [3]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join
by John Bennett 26 Jun '16

26 Jun '16

That does not make any sense. Of course it costs money to run a club. Apparently the board voted to drop the price for International members from $90 to $50. This was a unanimous vote of all the board according to the meeting minutes. Mr. Shortt cannot just change rules by himself. So being an International person such as yourself, they did you a good service. No? Sent using Zoho Mail ---- On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 13:37:56 -0700 Roland <willibillie(a)live.de>wrote ---- For what does Poca need 50 bucks for a membership. All volunteers work for free. What are the costs w/o a printed magazine? Seriously, MS couldn't really find more new members, so he dropped the price, to end as a hero for raising membership numbers. I wait until he drops the fees again... Am 26.06.2016 um 22:27 schrieb John Bennett: It says on the page: [1]www.poca.com/join If you want printed it's the regular $75 If you are International looks like $50 + $45 for printed Profiles I think this is great, I prefer pdf to read on my iPad anyway. John Sent using [2]Zoho Mail ---- On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 05:35:08 -0700 Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf@embarqmail.com><mailto:byrdjf@embarqmail.com>wrote ---- Is the international option discussed/mentioned on the POCA web site? If one opts for the international, will hard copies be available to purchase in case there is one desired? -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[3]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:3]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>] On Behalf Of John Bennett Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 0:27 AM To: [4]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:4]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join<http://www.poca.com/join> Great membership now only $50! > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Ed Mendez <[5]edducati@mac.com><mailto:[5]edducati@mac.com> > Subject: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join<http://www.poca.com/join> > Date: 26 June 2016 at 16:25:26 NZST > To: San Diego Panteras <[6]sdpanteras@googlegroups.com><mailto:[6]sdpanteras@googlegroups.com>, Space City Panteras <[7]SCPOCA@yahoogroups.com><mailto:[7]SCPOCA@yahoogroups.com> > > Please spread the word! > > We have created an easy to remember, simple web address for people to sign up online. > > Simply go to > > www.poca.com/join<http://www.poca.com/join> <[8]http://www.poca.com/join> > > to have people sign up. > > You can sign up people on your smart phone at car shows, events, etc. > > In addition, you can now choose the International option; no matter where you live, and receive a full POCA membership for $50.00 instead of $75.00. What this option gives you is to receive "Digital only" Newsletters and Profiles in full color pdf format. > > Note: If they want posted hardcopies then they would choose the Domestic option for the standard $75.00, > > Don't forget we have the 3 5 1 program, they more members you get benefits the club and yourself. Details here: > > [9]https://poca.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=999896&a… module_id=225364 <[10]https://poca.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=99989 6&module_id=225364> > > Thanks, > > Ed Mendez > > PR Director - POCA > > www.poca.com<http://www.poca.com> <[11]http://www.poca.com/> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "SDPANTERAS" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [12]sdpanteras+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com<mailto:12]sdpanteras+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com> <mailto:[13]sdpanteras+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com><mailto:[13]sdpanteras+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to [14]sdpanteras@googlegroups.com<mailto:14]sdpanteras@googlegroups.com> <mailto:[15]sdpanteras@googlegroups.com><mailto:[15]sdpanteras@googlegroups.com>. > For more options, visit [16]https://groups.google.com/d/optout <[17]https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [18]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:18]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [19]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 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Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. For what does Poca need 50 bucks for a membership. All volunteers work for free. What are the costs w/o a printed magazine? Seriously, MS couldn't really find more new members, so he dropped the price, to end as a hero for raising membership numbers. I wait until he drops the fees again... Am 26.06.2016 um 22:27 schrieb John Bennett: It says on the page: [1]www.poca.com/join If you want printed it's the regular $75 If you are International looks like $50 + $45 for printed Profiles I think this is great, I prefer pdf to read on my iPad anyway. John Sent using [2]Zoho Mail ---- On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 05:35:08 -0700 Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. [1]<byrdjf(a)embarqmail.com>wrote ---- Is the international option discussed/mentioned on the POCA web site? If one opts for the international, will hard copies be available to purchase in case there is one desired? -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[[2]3]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of John Bennett Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 0:27 AM To: [[3]4]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for [4]www.poca.com/join Great membership now only $50! > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Ed Mendez [5]<[5]edducati(a)mac.com> > Subject: [SDP] New JOIN url for [6]www.poca.com/join > Date: 26 June 2016 at 16:25:26 NZST > To: San Diego Panteras [7]<[6]sdpanteras(a)googlegroups.com>, Space City Panteras [8]<[7]SCPOCA(a)yahoogroups.com> > > Please spread the word! > > We have created an easy to remember, simple web address for people to sign up online. > > Simply go to > > [9]www.poca.com/join <[8][10]http://www.poca.com/join> > > to have people sign up. > > You can sign up people on your smart phone at car shows, events, etc. > > In addition, you can now choose the International option; no matter where you live, and receive a full POCA membership for $50.00 instead of $75.00. What this option gives you is to receive "Digital only" Newsletters and Profiles in full color pdf format. > > Note: If they want posted hardcopies then they would choose the Domestic option for the standard $75.00, > > Don't forget we have the 3 5 1 program, they more members you get benefits the club and yourself. Details here: > > [9][11]https://poca.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=9998… module_id=225364 <[10][12]https://poca.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=99989 6&module_id=225364> > > Thanks, > > Ed Mendez > > PR Director - POCA > > [13]www.poca.com <[11][14]http://www.poca.com/> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "SDPANTERAS" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [[15]12]sdpanteras+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com [16]<mailto:[13]sdpanteras+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to [[17]14]sdpanteras(a)googlegroups.com [18]<mailto:[15]sdpanteras@googlegroups.com>. > For more options, visit [16][19]https://groups.google.com/d/optout <[17][20]https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [[21]18]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com [19][22]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 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Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. That does not make any sense. Of course it costs money to run a club. Apparently the board voted to drop the price for International members from $90 to $50. This was a unanimous vote of all the board according to the meeting minutes. Mr. Shortt cannot just change rules by himself. So being an International person such as yourself, they did you a good service. No? Sent using [1]Zoho Mail ---- On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 13:37:56 -0700 Roland <[2]willibillie(a)live.de>wrote ---- For what does Poca need 50 bucks for a membership. All volunteers work for free. What are the costs w/o a printed magazine? Seriously, MS couldn't really find more new members, so he dropped the price, to end as a hero for raising membership numbers. I wait until he drops the fees again... Am 26.06.2016 um 22:27 schrieb John Bennett: It says on the page: [1]www.poca.com/join If you want printed it's the regular $75 If you are International looks like $50 + $45 for printed Profiles I think this is great, I prefer pdf to read on my iPad anyway. John Sent using [2]Zoho Mail ---- On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 05:35:08 -0700 Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <[3]byrdjf(a)embarqmail.com><mailto:[4]byrdjf@embarqmail.com>wrote ---- Is the international option discussed/mentioned on the POCA web site? If one opts for the international, will hard copies be available to purchase in case there is one desired? -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[3][5]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:3][6]deto maso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com>] On Behalf Of John Bennett Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 0:27 AM To: [4][7]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:4][8]DeTomaso@server.deto masolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join<[9]http://www.poca.com/join> Great membership now only $50! > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Ed Mendez <[5][10]edducati(a)mac.com><mailto:[5][11]edducati@mac.com> > Subject: [SDP] New JOIN url for www.poca.com/join<[12]http://www.poca.com/join> > Date: 26 June 2016 at 16:25:26 NZST > To: San Diego Panteras <[6][13]sdpanteras(a)googlegroups.com><mailto:[6][14]sdpanteras@googlegro ups.com>, Space City Panteras <[7][15]SCPOCA(a)yahoogroups.com><mailto:[7][16]SCPOCA@yahoogroups.com> > > Please spread the word! > > We have created an easy to remember, simple web address for people to sign up online. > > Simply go to > > www.poca.com/join<[17]http://www.poca.com/join> <[8][18]http://www.poca.com/join> > > to have people sign up. > > You can sign up people on your smart phone at car shows, events, etc. > > In addition, you can now choose the International option; no matter where you live, and receive a full POCA membership for $50.00 instead of $75.00. What this option gives you is to receive "Digital only" Newsletters and Profiles in full color pdf format. > > Note: If they want posted hardcopies then they would choose the Domestic option for the standard $75.00, > > Don't forget we have the 3 5 1 program, they more members you get benefits the club and yourself. Details here: > > [9][19]https://poca.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=999 896& module_id=225364 <[10][20]https://poca.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=9 9989 6&module_id=225364> > > Thanks, > > Ed Mendez > > PR Director - POCA > > www.poca.com<[21]http://www.poca.com> <[11][22]http://www.poca.com/> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "SDPANTERAS" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [12][23]sdpanteras+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com<mailto:12][24]sdpantera s+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com> <mailto:[13][25]sdpanteras+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com><mailto:[13][26 ]sdpanteras+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to [14][27]sdpanteras(a)googlegroups.com<mailto:14][28]sdpanteras@googlegrou ps.com> <mailto:[15][29]sdpanteras@googlegroups.com><mailto:[15][30]sdpanteras@ googlegroups.com>. > For more options, visit [16][31]https://groups.google.com/d/optout <[17][32]https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [18][33]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:18][34]DeTomaso@server. detomasolist.com> [19][35]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 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[51]https://groups.google.com/d/optout 17. [52]https://groups.google.com/d/optout 18. mailto:[53]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 19. [54]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [55]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[56]DeTomaso@server.detomas olist.com> [57]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. For what does Poca need 50 bucks for a membership. All volunteers work for free. What are the costs w/o a printed magazine? Seriously, MS couldn't really find more new members, so he dropped the price, to end as a hero for raising membership numbers. I wait until he drops the fees again... Am 26.06.2016 um 22:27 schrieb John Bennett: It says on the page: [1]www.poca.com/join If you want printed it's the regular $75 If you are International looks like $50 + $45 for printed Profiles I think this is great, I prefer pdf to read on my iPad anyway. John Sent using [2]Zoho Mail ---- On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 05:35:08 -0700 Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. [1]<[58]byrdjf(a)embarqmail.com>wrote ---- Is the international option discussed/mentioned on the POCA web site? If one opts for the international, will hard copies be available to purchase in case there is one desired? -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[[2]3][59]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of John Bennett Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 0:27 AM To: [[3]4][60]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: [SDP] New JOIN url for [4]www.poca.com/join Great membership now only $50! > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Ed Mendez [5]<[5][61]edducati(a)mac.com> > Subject: [SDP] New JOIN url for [6]www.poca.com/join > Date: 26 June 2016 at 16:25:26 NZST > To: San Diego Panteras [7]<[6][62]sdpanteras(a)googlegroups.com>, Space City Panteras [8]<[7][63]SCPOCA(a)yahoogroups.com> > > Please spread the word! > > We have created an easy to remember, simple web address for people to sign up online. > > Simply go to > > [9]www.poca.com/join <[8][10][64]http://www.poca.com/join> > > to have people sign up. > > You can sign up people on your smart phone at car shows, events, etc. > > In addition, you can now choose the International option; no matter where you live, and receive a full POCA membership for $50.00 instead of $75.00. What this option gives you is to receive "Digital only" Newsletters and Profiles in full color pdf format. > > Note: If they want posted hardcopies then they would choose the Domestic option for the standard $75.00, > > Don't forget we have the 3 5 1 program, they more members you get benefits the club and yourself. 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