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Re: [DeTomaso] VIN 6704 For Sale At Park Place, Bellevue, WA / $135K / Not in the Registry
by bill gaino 28 Jun '16

28 Jun '16

That car was featured in the PI magazine , the same issue as mine too! It belonged to a Black gentalman whose father was in the collision repair business. Summer 2006 issue 127. It is on the cover. Great car! Bill 1362 https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fref=ts If you want it slick. www.slickpaint.com like us on facebook -----Original Message----- >From: Mike Thomas <mbefthomas(a)comcast.net> >Sent: Jun 27, 2016 9:02 PM >To: 'Pantera Owners Club of America' <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> >Subject: [DeTomaso] VIN 6704 For Sale At Park Place, Bellevue, WA / $135K / Not in the Registry > > The ad for 6704 at Park Place Motors, Bellevue, WA is at the link. It > is not currently shown in Chuck's registry when I search L models by > VIN, nor is it on the PNW roster. > > Sweet, but expensive. Gooned it up with the Nox bottles IMHO. > > > [1]http://www.parkplaceltd.com/used-cars/detail/1974-DeTomaso-Pantera/9 > 95/874THPNND06704 > > > Does anybody know the car? > > > Mike Thomas > > Pres., Panteras Northwest > > Yellow '74 #6328 > >References > > 1. http://www.parkplaceltd.com/used-cars/detail/1974-DeTomaso-Pantera/995/874T…

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great guy
by brad freeman 28 Jun '16

28 Jun '16

hi Pantera community i wanted to share a quick note, i bought my 71-4 1/2 yrs ago and when i got it home i started working on it after all it needed some loving attention to it, this is when a marine mechanic started discovering the make up of a truly awesome car. Only one obstacle for a guy who is partially disable because of a bad auto accident some 5yrs earlier, i just could not work on it the way i could have before i was injured. i wasted a good bit of money on mechanics(supposedly) that only turned out to be parts changers. Finally one day i met a man that understood the function and working of my prize car,he has fixed a number of issues that i had and even things i didn’t even know were wrong. His working knowledge,talent and common sense approach to repairs on my car has cause me to admire him. I have tried to pay him on a number of times and still he will not let me. He tells me I’m his brother and that he is doing it for the car it deserves it. I feel that i am blessed to call him my friend both him and his wife are a joy to spend time with. Hope you don’t mind me saying but if you get the opportunity to meet Rob and his wonderful Mrs Kathy you will discover a rare breed just like the car we both love the PANTERA. Rob thank you for replacing and solving light issues on my car inside and out you ROCK dude!!

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Re: [DeTomaso] New Pantera Person John Bennett
by MikeLDrew＠aol.com 28 Jun '16

28 Jun '16

In a message dated 6/27/16 6:53:23 PM, richard(a)richardgreenblum.com writes: > Larry is certainly one of the experts, but as I understand it, there were > several factory produced US GTS's that did not receive "GT" serial > numbers. Mike Drew probably knows the story and numbers. > > >>>Not true. There is some confusion over the number of US-market GTS Panteras built, because they were built in two categories--49-state cars and California cars. 98 of the former and 52 of the latter were built, for a total of 150, all of which had "GT" in the serial number. It's perhaps true that some enterprising dealers may have chosen to paint an L-model Pantera as a GTS and fit it with the gee-gaws like the flares, etc. but I don't know of any specifically. In any case, such a car wouldn't be considered a true GTS any more than if the dealer chose to put big wheels and flares on it and call it a Group 4 race car. What is true is that the Euro-spec GTS Panteras did not have "GT" in the serial number, but such cars have numerous differences from their US counterparts, and in stock configuration are very easy to distinguish. Mike In a message dated 6/27/16 6:53:23 PM, richard(a)richardgreenblum.com writes: Larry is certainly one of the experts, but as I understand it, there were several factory produced US GTS's that did not receive "GT" serial numbers. Mike Drew probably knows the story and numbers. >>>Not true. There is some confusion over the number of US-market GTS Panteras built, because they were built in two categories--49-state cars and California cars. 98 of the former and 52 of the latter were built, for a total of 150, all of which had "GT" in the serial number. It's perhaps true that some enterprising dealers may have chosen to paint an L-model Pantera as a GTS and fit it with the gee-gaws like the flares, etc. but I don't know of any specifically. In any case, such a car wouldn't be considered a true GTS any more than if the dealer chose to put big wheels and flares on it and call it a Group 4 race car. What is true is that the Euro-spec GTS Panteras did not have "GT" in the serial number, but such cars have numerous differences from their US counterparts, and in stock configuration are very easy to distinguish. Mike

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Kurt and the Copyright issue
by Larry Finch 28 Jun '16

28 Jun '16

All, The new host of this email list, Kurt, has been threatened with legal action regarding the copyright on postings made to this forum when it was hosted by POCA. I attach to this email a screen capture from the email list when it was still hosted by POCA. Note the following contained in the first section: “Content of this email list is not copyrighted by any individual or entity, including POCA.” I think that pretty much means there is no legal standing for copyright-violation lawsuit. Larry All, The new host of this email list, Kurt, has been threatened with legal action regarding the copyright on postings made to this forum when it was hosted by POCA. I attach to this email a screen capture from the email list when it was still hosted by POCA. Note the following contained in the first section: "Content of this email list is not copyrighted by any individual or entity, including POCA." I think that pretty much means there is no legal standing for copyright-violation lawsuit. Larry [cid:DA19171C-1CD2-45DB-969D-48385175B9A6@attlocal.net]

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NPC Jay Leno Crash
by Jeff Detrich 28 Jun '16

28 Jun '16

Yikes, they walked away from it. Jeff 6559 Jay Leno’s crash from Friday (2 days ago)? https://www.conservativeoutfitters.com/blogs/news/video-footage-of-jay-leno… Regards, Bob Detrich Yikes, they walked away from it. Jeff 6559 Jay Lenoas crash from Friday (2 days ago)? A [1]https://www.conservativeoutfitters.com/blogs/news/video-footage-of-j ay-lenos-dangerous-crash-6-24-16 A A Regards, A Bob Detrich References 1. https://www.conservativeoutfitters.com/blogs/news/video-footage-of-jay-leno…

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Re: [DeTomaso] New Pantera Person John Bennett
by MikeLDrew＠aol.com 28 Jun '16

28 Jun '16

In a message dated 6/27/16 5:10:23 PM, jbennett111(a)zoho.com writes: > > I have a 1974 GTS Silver/Black #6904. Just putting it all back to stock. > > > >>>Interesting--that car doesn't appear in the registry? The registry is: www.provamo.com Can you provide photos of the car, to include the stamped serial number on the body, tag on the inside of the doorjamb, and the Body Service Number tag? Fascinating find! Welcome aboard! Mike In a message dated 6/27/16 5:10:23 PM, jbennett111(a)zoho.com writes: I have a 1974 GTS Silver/Black #6904. Just putting it all back to stock. >>>Interesting--that car doesn't appear in the registry? The registry is: www.provamo.com Can you provide photos of the car, to include the stamped serial number on the body, tag on the inside of the doorjamb, and the Body Service Number tag? Fascinating find! Welcome aboard! Mike

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Re: [DeTomaso] VIN 6704 For Sale At Park Place, Bellevue, WA / $135K / Not in the Registry
by John McKee 28 Jun '16

28 Jun '16

That car was featured in P.I. back when, well when there was a magazine. Scroll down to the second car on the home page. http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve (The car is in the foreground) I think that was a Don Byers build but I could be wrong. John -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Mike Thomas Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 6:03 PM To: 'Pantera Owners Club of America' <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] VIN 6704 For Sale At Park Place, Bellevue, WA / $135K / Not in the Registry The ad for 6704 at Park Place Motors, Bellevue, WA is at the link. It is not currently shown in Chuck's registry when I search L models by VIN, nor is it on the PNW roster. Sweet, but expensive. Gooned it up with the Nox bottles IMHO. http://www.parkplaceltd.com/used-cars/detail/1974-DeTomaso-Pantera/995/874TH PNND06704 Does anybody know the car? Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest Yellow '74 #6328

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NPC funny text string
by Corey Price 27 Jun '16

27 Jun '16

I've attached a text string after I texted how much I hate Hondas. I just always get lemon Hondas. My buddy replied with the text and I just about fell over. Autocorrect to the rescue!

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Re: [DeTomaso] Kurt and the Copyright issue
by Tomas Gunnarsson 27 Jun '16

27 Jun '16

Why not remove the POCA reference to avoid confusion? Otherwise there are a lot of other organizations who also don't manage the list. And why is it called a forum when it's a mailing list? Remove the top line in the footer entirely is my suggestion. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: msm(a)portata.com [msm(a)portata.com] Sent: 27/6/2016 7:49:51 PM To: fresnofinches@aol.com;detomaso@server.detomasolist.com;kdb@kbyrnes.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Kurt and the Copyright issue Again -- this email-based forum was never managed by POCA. The only relationship between this forum and POCA is that for several years POCA donated computer hosting services. It was managed solely by Andy, Asa Jay, and now Kurt out of their kindness and support for the greater De Tomaso community. Kurt, please reword this About DeTomaso section for remove the POCA reference. Also the footer on the emails should change from Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA to something like: The DeTomaso Forum is not managed by POCA. ------ Original Message ------ From: "Larry Finch via DeTomaso" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> To: "Email List Address For Posting" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Sent: 6/27/2016 8:26:45 AM Subject: [DeTomaso] Kurt and the Copyright issue >All, > >The new host of this email list, Kurt, has been threatened with legal >action regarding the copyright on postings made to this forum when it >was hosted by POCA. > >I attach to this email a screen capture from the email list when it was >still hosted by POCA. Note the following contained in the first >section: > >"Content of this email list is not copyrighted by any individual or >entity, including POCA." > >I think that pretty much means there is no legal standing for >copyright-violation lawsuit. > >Larry > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Why not remove the POCA reference to avoid confusion? Otherwise there are a lot of other organizations who also don't manage the list. And why is it called a forum when it's a mailing list? Remove the top line in the footer entirely is my suggestion. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: msm(a)portata.com [msm(a)portata.com] Sent: 27/6/2016 7:49:51 PM To: fresnofinches@aol.com;detomaso@server.detomasolist.com;kdb@kbyrnes.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Kurt and the Copyright issue Again -- this email-based forum was never managed by POCA. The only relationship between this forum and POCA is that for several years POCA donated computer hosting services. It was managed solely by Andy, Asa Jay, and now Kurt out of their kindness and support for the greater De Tomaso community. Kurt, please reword this About DeTomaso section for remove the POCA reference. Also the footer on the emails should change from Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA to something like: The DeTomaso Forum is not managed by POCA. ------ Original Message ------ From: "Larry Finch via DeTomaso" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> To: "Email List Address For Posting" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Sent: 6/27/2016 8:26:45 AM Subject: [DeTomaso] Kurt and the Copyright issue >All, > >The new host of this email list, Kurt, has been threatened with legal >action regarding the copyright on postings made to this forum when it >was hosted by POCA. > >I attach to this email a screen capture from the email list when it was >still hosted by POCA. Note the following contained in the first >section: > >"Content of this email list is not copyrighted by any individual or >entity, including POCA." > >I think that pretty much means there is no legal standing for >copyright-violation lawsuit. > >Larry > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

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Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Temperatures or Clocks :) NPC
by Himes, Terry (397C) 27 Jun '16

27 Jun '16

NPC You might be surprised that we typically carry a sundial on every Mars lander. Yes, we can calculate LMST (Local Mean Solar Time) down to the 14 decimal place. But the old fashioned sundial is a good verification. Like the Pantera, sometimes, simple is better. ;-) http://www.universetoday.com/96930/curiositys-sundial-carries-a-message-of-… Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> 🇺🇸 From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Jack Donahue <demongusta(a)gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> Date: Monday, June 27, 2016 11:45 AM To: Larry - Ohio Time <Larry(a)ohiotimecorp.com<mailto:Larry@ohiotimecorp.com>> Cc: "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Temperatures or Clocks :) Very interesting. Two Things: 1.) Never seen quarts(or even gallons) moving CCW - or was it “quartz"?. Lol 2.) I guess we better move to Egypt for faster aging, and Australia to get younger. Thanks for the great info. Jack #4348 On Jun 27, 2016, at 6:50 AM, Larry - Ohio Time <Larry(a)ohiotimecorp.com<mailto:Larry@ohiotimecorp.com>> wrote: Jack, Clocks? I have had my hands in clocks for 35+ years. I have put the wrong motors in clocks and they have run backwards for a short time. I have also seen quarts movements that were made to run backwards. You may enjoy the article about clock wise. Larry - Cleveland Pretty much everyone knows that if you’re asked to pass something clockwise around a table, you hand it to the person on your left because that is the same direction that the hands of a clock move. But what you may not know is that this standard direction is a function not only of timekeeping, but the Earth’s rotation and the happy accident that much of human civilization evolved in the Northern Hemisphere. If you could look directly at the North Pole from space, it would appear to spin counterclockwise. Given that spin, when a stick is placed in the ground parallel to the Earth’s axis in, say, Egypt, the shadow cast by the stick as the Sun moves across the sky will move in a clockwise direction (notably, a similarly placed stick in Australia would cast a shadow that moves counterclockwise). As far back as when the ancient Egyptians and Babylonians were fashioning their first shadow clocks (~3,500 BC), the measurement of time moved in a clockwise direction. Even as more precise timekeeping methods came about, sundials (which began in earnest around 1,500 BC) remained popular throughout the middle ages and beyond, given their simplicity of construction and relative reliability. (In fact, early mechanical clocks were often regularly calibrated to nearby sundials.) Wells_cathedral_clock_dial One of the earliest mechanical clocks, the Wells Cathedral Clock in Somerset, was wound by hand from its installation in the late 14th century to 2010, when an electric motor was installed, saving someone having to climb the steps and wind it (~800 revolutions per winding) three times per week. So, when mechanical clocks were introduced in Europe in the 14th century, their inventors were quite familiar with sundials and the clockwise direction that their shadows moved and marked time. Accordingly, by the end of that century when even cathedral clocks were sporting clock faces, they were made in imitation of their sundial forbears, which included hands that moved in a clockwise direction. Notably, the word clockwise with its present meaning did not appear in English until the 1870s, with counterclockwise also dating to that decade. The use of wise to mean a way of proceeding dates back to Old English. Clock isn’t nearly so old, and dates to the invention of our modern mechanical clocks (14th century). It is thought to come from either clokke (Middle Dutch), cloque (Old North French) or clocca (Medieval Latin) which all meant bell. Some of the earliest mechanical clocks were simply designed to strike a bell at set intervals, perhaps to announce prayer times or the like, or simply ring on the hour, with these early clocks not necessarily having any faces. And if you’re curious, before they were called “clocks,” these early mechanical clocks were called horologia, from the Greek for “hour” (ὡρα) and “to tell” (λέγειν). Thanks, Larry Larry Homolak | Larry(a)OhioTimeCorp.com<mailto:Larry@OhioTimeCorp.com> Ohio Time Corporation | 9401 Olde Eight Road, Northfield Ohio 44067 Phone: 330.467.2430 | Fax: 330.467.9560 Workforce Management Solutions since 1976| www.OhioTimeCorp.com Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Jack Donahue Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 12:03 PM To: Stephen Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Temperatures Stephan - thanks for more input, but did you mean the bearings are cooled with oil? I had an XKE - 64 - it ran a wee bit hot - needed an oil cooler. Age - the great equalizer. We fight it, but it always wins out - still looking for that watch/clock that runs CCW. But then again, I’m glad to have made it this far, unfortunately, a lot don’t. Jack #4348 On Jun 22, 2016, at 8:51 AM, Stephen <steve(a)snclocks.com<mailto:steve@snclocks.com>> wrote: Good morning Jack. Years ago my dad explained to me that oil is the primary heat transfer agent in an engine. It is the closest to the things that get hot. OK - the heads are filled with water, which gets pretty hot, but the bearings, the pistons, the rings all get cooled with water. Just bought a SPC Daytona - with a 351 Dart block bored and stroked to 427. It came with an oil temperature gauge. Yup, oil runs 20 or 30 degrees F hotter. The Daytona also has an oil-cooler built into the radiator. I also have a '70 XKE. I added a factory oil cooler that I was lucky enough to snap up when a Jag aftermarket outfit found the cooler at a dealership they bought out. Overall - makes the engine just plain bulletproof when it comes to cooling. So, sounds like I am a big fan of oil coolers, eh? But, really, no. Modern multi-vis oils significantly extend the effectiveness of oils - I would, and do watch the water temperature in our Pantera, but honestly, I give no thoughts to the oil temperature. But then, as with you, I am probably on the old-man side of my driving. I don't track my cars but I do put miles on them. Thoughts of an old man contemplating cleaning up a car for a show tonight. Stephen Nelson -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Jack Donahue Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 8:16 AM To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Oil Temperatures Just wanted to thank everyone for their input on oil temperatures. The List and the participants are unique and indispensable, in my book. The thoughts and ideas are just great. In my case, the first thing I need is an oil temp gauge to see if it’s even an issue - so logical. I judge from my driving habits (old-man-style driving) I may not have to worry about it. But I do. I guess it’s a “Pantera-thing” to drive down the road in “readiness” for the next issue, because it WILL be there - Just a matter of time. "Upgrading Unlimited” - I love it. I get so “educated by The List. It’s like asking the workshop manual questions, and getting answers. #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. NPC You might be surprised that we typically carry a sundial on every Mars lander. Yes, we can calculate LMST (Local Mean Solar Time) down to the 14 decimal place. But the old fashioned sundial is a good verification. Like the Pantera, sometimes, simple is better. ;-) [1]http://www.universetoday.com/96930/curiositys-sundial-carries-a-mess age-of-hope/ Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [2]thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov From: DeTomaso <[3]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Jack Donahue <[4]demongusta(a)gmail.com> Date: Monday, June 27, 2016 11:45 AM To: Larry - Ohio Time <[5]Larry(a)ohiotimecorp.com> Cc: "[6]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" <[7]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Temperatures or Clocks :) Very interesting. Two Things: 1.) Never seen quarts(or even gallons) moving CCW - or was it "quartz"?. Lol 2.) I guess we better move to Egypt for faster aging, and Australia to get younger. Thanks for the great info. Jack #4348 On Jun 27, 2016, at 6:50 AM, Larry - Ohio Time <[8]Larry(a)ohiotimecorp.com> wrote: Jack, Clocks? I have had my hands in clocks for 35+ years. I have put the wrong motors in clocks and they have run backwards for a short time. I have also seen quarts movements that were made to run backwards. You may enjoy the article about clock wise. Larry - Cleveland Pretty much everyone knows that if you're asked to pass something clockwise around a table, you hand it to the person on your left because that is the same direction that the hands of a clock move. But what you may not know is that this standard direction is a function not only of timekeeping, but the Earth's rotation and the happy accident that much of human civilization evolved in the Northern Hemisphere. If you could look directly at the North Pole from space, it would appear to spin counterclockwise. Given that spin, when a stick is placed in the ground parallel to the Earth's axis in, say, Egypt, the shadow cast by the stick as the Sun moves across the sky will move in a clockwise direction (notably, a similarly placed stick in Australia would cast a shadow that moves counterclockwise). As far back as when the ancient Egyptians and Babylonians were fashioning their first shadow clocks (~3,500 BC), the measurement of time moved in a clockwise direction. Even as more precise timekeeping methods came about, sundials (which began in earnest around 1,500 BC) remained popular throughout the middle ages and beyond, given their simplicity of construction and relative reliability. (In fact, early mechanical clocks were often regularly calibrated to nearby sundials.) Wells_cathedral_clock_dial One of the earliest mechanical clocks, the Wells Cathedral Clock in Somerset, was wound by hand from its installation in the late 14th century to 2010, when an electric motor was installed, saving someone having to climb the steps and wind it (~800 revolutions per winding) three times per week. So, when mechanical clocks were introduced in Europe in the 14th century, their inventors were quite familiar with sundials and the clockwise direction that their shadows moved and marked time. Accordingly, by the end of that century when even cathedral clocks were sporting clock faces, they were made in imitation of their sundial forbears, which included hands that moved in a clockwise direction. Notably, the word clockwise with its present meaning did not appear in English until the 1870s, with counterclockwise also dating to that decade. The use of wise to mean a way of proceeding dates back to Old English. Clock isn't nearly so old, and dates to the invention of our modern mechanical clocks (14th century). It is thought to come from either clokke (Middle Dutch), cloque (Old North French) or clocca (Medieval Latin) which all meant bell. Some of the earliest mechanical clocks were simply designed to strike a bell at set intervals, perhaps to announce prayer times or the like, or simply ring on the hour, with these early clocks not necessarily having any faces. And if you're curious, before they were called "clocks," these early mechanical clocks were called horologia, from the Greek for "hour" (ra) and "to tell" (le'gein). Thanks, Larry Larry Homolak | [9]Larry(a)OhioTimeCorp.com Ohio Time Corporation | 9401 Olde Eight Road, Northfield Ohio 44067 Phone: 330.467.2430 | Fax: 330.467.9560 Workforce Management Solutions since 1976| www.OhioTimeCorp.com Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [[10]mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Jack Donahue Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 12:03 PM To: Stephen Cc: [11]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Temperatures Stephan - thanks for more input, but did you mean the bearings are cooled with oil? I had an XKE - 64 - it ran a wee bit hot - needed an oil cooler. Age - the great equalizer. We fight it, but it always wins out - still looking for that watch/clock that runs CCW. But then again, I'm glad to have made it this far, unfortunately, a lot don't. Jack #4348 On Jun 22, 2016, at 8:51 AM, Stephen <[12]steve(a)snclocks.com> wrote: Good morning Jack. Years ago my dad explained to me that oil is the primary heat transfer agent in an engine. It is the closest to the things that get hot. OK - the heads are filled with water, which gets pretty hot, but the bearings, the pistons, the rings all get cooled with water. Just bought a SPC Daytona - with a 351 Dart block bored and stroked to 427. It came with an oil temperature gauge. Yup, oil runs 20 or 30 degrees F hotter. The Daytona also has an oil-cooler built into the radiator. I also have a '70 XKE. I added a factory oil cooler that I was lucky enough to snap up when a Jag aftermarket outfit found the cooler at a dealership they bought out. Overall - makes the engine just plain bulletproof when it comes to cooling. So, sounds like I am a big fan of oil coolers, eh? But, really, no. Modern multi-vis oils significantly extend the effectiveness of oils - I would, and do watch the water temperature in our Pantera, but honestly, I give no thoughts to the oil temperature. But then, as with you, I am probably on the old-man side of my driving. I don't track my cars but I do put miles on them. Thoughts of an old man contemplating cleaning up a car for a show tonight. Stephen Nelson -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [[13]mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Jack Donahue Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 8:16 AM To: [14]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Cc: [15]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Oil Temperatures Just wanted to thank everyone for their input on oil temperatures. The List and the participants are unique and indispensable, in my book. The thoughts and ideas are just great. In my case, the first thing I need is an oil temp gauge to see if it's even an issue - so logical. I judge from my driving habits (old-man-style driving) I may not have to worry about it. But I do. I guess it's a "Pantera-thing" to drive down the road in "readiness" for the next issue, because it WILL be there - Just a matter of time. "Upgrading Unlimited" - I love it. I get so "educated by The List. It's like asking the workshop manual questions, and getting answers. #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [16]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com [17]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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