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Re: [DeTomaso] Nolan of the North
by laurieferrari＠aol.com 01 Jun '16

01 Jun '16

You got it Ken. That's my name for Nolan Scheid. He's way up north and was building his own castle years ago.. I'm pretty sure it's done by now. I remember his family and kiddies coming down for a Disneyland visit... bet they're grown up by now too. Laurie Message: 1 Date: Mon, 30 May 2016 16:04:07 +0000 (UTC) From: Ken Green <kenn_green(a)yahoo.com> To: "laurieferrari(a)aol.com" <laurieferrari(a)aol.com>, "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Laurie's vision of current topics (be warned ... long and tedious) Message-ID: <714249970.1692037.1464624247935.JavaMail.yahoo(a)mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Did you mean "Nolan of the North"?? aka Nolan Scheid You got it Ken. That's my name for Nolan Scheid. He's way up north and was building his own castle years ago.. I'm pretty sure it's done by now. I remember his family and kiddies coming down for a Disneyland visit... bet they're grown up by now too. Laurie Message: 1 Date: Mon, 30 May 2016 16:04:07 +0000 (UTC) From: Ken Green <[1]kenn_green(a)yahoo.com> To: "[2]laurieferrari(a)aol.com" <[3]laurieferrari(a)aol.com>, "[4]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" <[5]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Laurie's vision of current topics (be warned ... long and tedious) Message-ID: <[6]714249970.1692037.1464624247935.JavaMail.yahoo(a)mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Did you mean "Nolan of the North"?? aka Nolan Scheid References 1. mailto:kenn_green@yahoo.com 2. mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com 3. mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com 4. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 5. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 6. mailto:714249970.1692037.1464624247935.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis
by Christopher Kimball 01 Jun '16

01 Jun '16

I agree! Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: scottcouchman(a)yahoo.com<mailto:scottcouchman@yahoo.com> Sent: ‎5/‎31/‎2016 8:03 PM To: Christopher Kimball<mailto:chrisvkimball@msn.com> Cc: Effie Richards<mailto:erichards@zogob.sdcoxmail.com>; fastgrandma<mailto:fastgrandma@aol.com>; detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis Christopher, we polled our Chapter members and only found one member that wanted the newsletter by email. I'm a member of a Mustang Club also. They distribute a printed copy of their newsletter at the monthly meeting. If you don't attend the monthly general meeting, it is posted to their website a month later. You can then read it on-line or download it and print it yourself. I enjoy the hard copy I get at the general meeting and read it pretty much front to back. But if I miss the meeting, I never print out the PDF. Could I? Yes.....do I? No. Sounds like maybe we're both old school, but our survey of members showed we have lots of old school members. Scott > On May 30, 2016, at 7:51 AM, Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball(a)msn.com> wrote: > > Although I agree online issues of the newsletter should be available, > even the norm, I really prefer getting printed copies. I pass them > along to a mechanic friend of mine. I know if I had to print them out > myself I simply wouldn't do it. > Thanks to the POCA board and leadership for helping to keep the club > moving forward! > Sincerely, > Chris > Sent from my Windows Phone > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: [1]Effie Richards > Sent: 5/29/2016 9:44 PM > To: [2]fastgrandma > Cc: [3]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis > > My husband, for one, does not "do" computer, which is why I become his > voice! I would of course print for him, but what about when I'm not > around any longer? Things happen... > Sent from Effie's iPad >> On May 29, 2016, at 7:19 PM, fastgrandma <fastgrandma(a)aol.com> wrote: >> >> You have to realize that not everyone has a computer and some that do > absolutely do not want their Newsletter online. The Newsletter has been > sent as a pdf to the Eruopeans and members in Canada for some time now > but even there, a couple want paper copies and that should be their > absolute right since that is the one thing that the club does for its > members: the publications! >> >> At the Rally we heard from several who had various reasons for > wanting printed publications only and it would be very wrong to deny > that. Maybe those 'other' clubs might do that but that is a good reason > to not belong to them. >> >> Judy >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Pantdino via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> >> To: erichards <erichards(a)zogob.sdcoxmail.com>; marshallgsmith > <marshallgsmith(a)sbcglobal.net> >> Cc: detomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> >> Sent: Sun, May 29, 2016 5:30 pm >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis >> >> I thought the newsletter was going to be online only (hence will be >> color for free) , while only the Profiles will on paper and mailed. >> No? >> >> >> >> I don't see why anyone would not renew their membership-- with all > the >> old publications online and an improved website the club has more to >> offer than ever. >> >> >> >> Jim Oddie >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Effie Richards <erichards(a)zogob.sdcoxmail.com> >> To: marshallgsmith <marshallgsmith(a)sbcglobal.net> >> Cc: detomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> >> Sent: Sun, May 29, 2016 5:08 pm >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis >> Well said Marshall! Many Kudos to Jack DeRyke from me too! We love > your >> work! >> Sent from Effie's iPad >>>> On May 29, 2016, at 4:05 PM, marshallgsmith >>> <[1]marshallgsmith(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>> >>> Now wait a minute Dick, what you write here is WAY too level-headed >> for >>> this forum! >>> >>> Who is this really?? >>> >>> All joking aside, I obtain multiple bids for every one of a > 'number' >> of >>> projects that I need to conduct every year. If I found a company > that >>> could save me $8,000 a year on a particular project, I would have >> felt >>> like I won the lottery! >>> >>> Sure, every once in a while the new company who submitted the > lowest >>> bid does not do as good of a job of the old one but when that >> happens, >>> I go back to the next bid which sometimes was the same company I > used >>> previously and all is back to normal. >>> >>> $8,000 a year is an awful lot of money just to stay with the > company >>> that you have and had comfort with. >>> >>> The statement of adding color to the newsletter would of course > cost >> a >>> bit more money but when you consider that we would be saving $8,000 >> off >>> the top, we have a touch more money to play with and the savings >> would >>> still be very sizable. >>> >>> Plus, if any car club newsletter in this country is worthy of > several >>> color pages, it absolutely would be Jack DeRyke's!! This club is > and >>> will be indebted to you forever Jack! Thanks for the wonderful work >> you >>> do to keep our colorful jalopies on the road!! >>> >>> Marshall >>> >>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone >>> >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> From: Dick Koch <[2]redcatman74(a)gmail.com> >>> Date: 05/29/2016 9:57 AM (GMT-08:00) >>> To: Ed Mendez <[3]edducati(a)mac.com> >>> Cc: [4]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis >>> Ed, thanks for the clarification of the misinformation and >>> non-productive >>> comments that have been made in recent weeks, many very personal > and >>> vindictive, and quite frankly detrimental to the club. >>> It is good to have different points of view on club business. But > to >>> present one's point of view in a negative and personal manner, does >>> nothing but diminish that person's potentially valued point, and >> their >>> persona in the eyes of others. >>> From some of the comments made, it appears obvious to me that many > of >>> the >>> detractors do not have much experience in running a business. And >> make >>> no >>> mistake POCA is a business, albeit a non-profit one. To thrive, > this >>> club >>> must not stand on it's laurels, but continue to enhance it's value >> add >>> to >>> it's customers. >>> As far as looking at the printer used for the production of the >>> newsletter, >>> for the board to not look for less expensive options, as with any >> other >>> expense, with better offerings, is irresponsible. >>> I can only wonder what is going on behind the scenes that would > have >>> folks >>> want to stay with a service provider that is noncompetitive and >>> provides >>> less for much more money. We have enough cronyism in our > government. >>> Hopefully that is not the case here, and there has been a reason > for >>> keeping a more expensive service that provides less. >>> I won't bother to comment on the absurdity of continuing to mail > the >>> newsletter, that can be printed by anyone that is not to lazy to > take >>> 3 >>> minutes to print it, since that may be construed as negative. >>> As regards to a point Ed stated, the club is not run by one person. >>> Each >>> person on the board has a say, with a majority required to decide > on >>> every >>> issue. Pointing ones frustration at one person is just that, >> pointless. >>> Items approved by the board, were "sold" to the board by a member > of >>> the >>> board to the other members of the board, showing how approving that >>> item >>> would benefit the club member's experience, with the underlying >>> financial >>> implications outlined that would strengthen the clubs long term >>> financial >>> health. >>> Constructive criticism is just that: criticism presented in a >>> constructive >>> manner, with negative comments of a personal nature irrelevant and >>> therefore non-constructive. >>> I for one think the new POCA board is doing a fantastic job, and to >>> think >>> they are doing their job for free. What a deal... >>> By the way, if someone feels they want to get personal with their >>> comments, >>> take it out on me. I deserve it for letting 6831 sit idle with a >> blown >>> header gasket for years. >>> Peace, fellow "cat" owners. >>> Dick Koch - Atlanta >>> Still one of the few remaining original Pantera owners still lucky >>> enough >>> to be on the sunny side of the grass. >>>> On May 29, 2016 2:12 AM, "Ed Mendez" <[5]edducati(a)mac.com> wrote: >>>> See below. >>>> >>>>> On 28/05/2016, at 11:53, Rod Kunishige > <[6]rkunishige(a)hotmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It is interesting that this President changed a generous grace >>> period >>>>> without notice. >>>> >>>> False it's in the bylaws and has been for some time now. Warning > at >>> 30 >>>> days, at 60 days the membership expires, check the Fiat club, >> Ferrari >>> club, >>>> Porsche club, they all have similar rules. >>>>> >>>>> The so-called "shortfall" is created in part by the $10 increased >>>>> rebate to the chapters that was NOT requested in the first place. >>> The >>>>> return of this sum places the club at nearly breakeven. Simply, >>> use >>>>> the money to pay for our publication costs. >>>> False - check your facts, the rebate was welcome by the majority >>> chapter >>>> presidents. >>>> >>>>> PROPOSED: $75 dues less $15 to chapters yields $60 to fund the >>> $62.52 >>>>> publication estimate per MS. >>>> >>>> That is true, and that is why we are trying to get competitive >> quotes >>> for >>>> printing to try and save money. MS found a printer that is $8000 > per >>> year >>>> cheaper than the one we are currently using. >>>>> >>>>> Our $100,000 reserve would easily fund the $2.52 per year. >>> Carrying >>>>> 853 members at $2.52 is $2,149.56 per year. Divide that into >>> 100,000 >>>>> means funding covers 46.5 YEARS. >>>> False - check your facts, most non profits have two year reserve > in >>> the >>>> bank, the Ferrari and Porsche clubs have $1,000,000 each in > reserve. >>> You >>>> can google there income statements. >>>> >>>> >>>>> OPINION: >>>>> >>>>> I do recognize that Mr. Shortt controls the Board by a 5 to 4 > vote >>> but >>>>> there I think that this is a better solution than what MS has >>>>> proposed. Finally, kudos goes to him for at least publishing the >>>>> actions he intends to take so we may make positive suggestions > for >>>> >>>> False, if you look at the meeting minutes of the BOD, most things > we >>> have >>>> coated on have been either unanimous vote or close to it, in fact >>> there >>>> very few times it was 5-4. Again we vote in the best interest of > the >>> club >>>> >>>> This forum is supposed to be about DeTomaso, hence the name; and >>> should >>>> not be used for POCA bashing, it really makes us all look bad. If >> you >>> have >>>> an issue talk with someone about your concern, preferably your >>> chapter >>>> president, they are your representative as in any organization. > It's >>> very >>>> easy to simply pick up the phone instead of using this email list > as >>> a >>>> podium for your disdain of MS. It's obvious, we get it. Please > take >>> it >>>> offline. >>>> >>>> If you think you can do a better job than volunteer as I did, and >>> many >>>> others before me, and run for office. >>>> >>>> Kind regards >>>> >>>>> (Information taken from the Presidents Blog.) >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA >>>>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >>>>> DeTomaso mailing list >>>>> [7]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>>>> [8]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>>>> >>>>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, >>> etc.) >>>> use the links above. >>>>> >>>>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to > forward >>> any >>>> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the >>> list. >>>> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive > or >>> approve >>>> the archiving of list messages. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> >>>> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA >>>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >>>> DeTomaso mailing list >>>> [9]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>>> [10]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>>> >>>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, >> etc.) >>> use >>>> the links above. >>>> >>>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward >>> any >>>> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the >>> list. >>>> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive > or >>> approve >>>> the archiving of list messages. >>> Ed, thanks for the clarification of the misinformation and >>> non-productive comments that have been made in recent weeks, many >>> very >>> personal and vindictive, and quite frankly detrimental to the club. >>> It is good to have different points of view on club business. But > to >>> present one's point of view in a negative and personalA manner, >>> does >>> nothing but diminish that person's potentially valued point, and >>> their >>> persona in the eyes of others. >>> From some of the comments made, it appears obvious to me that many >>> of >>> the detractors do not have much experience in running a business. >>> And >>> make no mistake POCA is a business, albeit a non-profit one. To >>> thrive, >>> this club must not stand on it's laurels, but continue to enhance >>> it's >>> value add to it's customers. >>> As far as looking at the printer used for the production of the >>> newsletter, for the board to not look for less expensive options, > as >>> with any other expense, with better offerings, is irresponsible. >>> I can only wonder what is going on behind the scenes that would > have >>> folks want to stay with a service provider that is noncompetitive >>> and >>> provides less for much more money.A We have enough cronyism in our >>> government. Hopefully that is not the case here, and there has been >>> a >>> reason for keeping a more expensive service that provides less. >>> I won't bother to comment on the absurdity of continuing to mail > the >>> newsletter, that can be printed by anyoneA that is not to lazy to >>> take >>> 3 minutes to print it, since that may be construed as negative. >>> As regards to a point Ed stated, the club is not run by one > person.A >>> Each person on the board has a say, with a majority required to >>> decide >>> on every issue. Pointing ones frustration at one person is just >>> that, >>> pointless. >>> Items approved by the board, were "sold" to the board by a member > of >>> the board to the other members of the board, showing how approving >>> that >>> item would benefit the club member's experience, with the > underlying >>> financial implications outlined that would strengthen the clubs > long >>> term financial health. >>> Constructive criticism is just that: criticism presented in a >>> constructive manner, with negative comments of a personal nature >>> irrelevant and therefore non-constructive. >>> I for one think the new POCA board is doing a fantastic job, and to >>> think they are doing their job for free. What a deal... >>> By the way, if someone feels they want to get personal with their >>> comments, take it out on me.A I deserve it for letting 6831 sit >>> idle >>> with a blown header gasket for years. >>> Peace, fellow "cat" owners. >>> Dick Koch - Atlanta >>> Still one of the few remaining original Pantera owners still lucky >>> enough to be on the sunny side of the grass. >>>> On May 29, 2016 2:12 AM, "Ed Mendez" <[1][11]edducati(a)mac.com> >> wrote: >>>> See below. >>>> On 28/05/2016, at 11:53, Rod Kunishige >>> <[2][12]rkunishige(a)hotmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> A It is interesting that this President changed a generous grace >>> period >>>> A without notice. >>> False it's in the bylaws and has been for some time now. Warning >>> at >>> 30 days, at 60 days the membership expires, check the Fiat club, >>> Ferrari club, Porsche club, they all have similar rules. >>>> >>>> A The so-called "shortfall" is created in part by the $10 >>> increased >>>> A rebate to the chapters that was NOT requested in the first >>> place.A The >>>> A return of this sum places the club at nearly breakeven.A >>> Simply, use >>>> A the money to pay for our publication costs. >>> False - check your facts, the rebate was welcome by the majority >>> chapter presidents. >>>> A PROPOSED:A $75 dues less $15 to chapters yields $60 to fund >>> the >>> $62.52 >>>> A publication estimate per MS. >>> That is true, and that is why we are trying to get competitive >>> quotes for printing to try and save money. MS found a printer that >>> is $8000 per year cheaper than the one we are currently using. >>>> >>>> A Our $100,000 reserve would easily fund the $2.52 per year.A >>> Carrying >>>> A 853 members at $2.52 is $2,149.56 per year.A Divide that into >>> 100,000 >>>> A means funding covers 46.5 YEARS. >>> False - check your facts, most non profits have two year reserve >>> in >>> the bank, the Ferrari and Porsche clubs have $1,000,000 each in >>> reserve. You can google there income statements. >>>> A OPINION: >>>> >>>> A I do recognize that Mr. Shortt controls the Board by a 5 to 4 >>> vote but >>>> A there I think that this is a better solution than what MS has >>>> A proposed.A Finally, kudos goes to him for at least publishing >>> the >>>> A actions he intends to take so we may make positive suggestions >>> for >>> False, if you look at the meeting minutes of the BOD, most things >>> we >>> have coated on have been either unanimous vote or close to it, in >>> fact there very few times it was 5-4. Again we vote in the best >>> interest of the club >>> This forum is supposed to be about DeTomaso, hence the name; and >>> should not be used for POCA bashing, it really makes us all look >>> bad. If you have an issue talk with someone about your concern, >>> preferably your chapter president, they are your representative as >>> in any organization. It's very easy to simply pick up the phone >>> instead of using this email list as a podium for your disdain of >>> MS. >>> It's obvious, we get it. Please take it offline. >>> If you think you can do a better job than volunteer as I did, and >>> many others before me, and run for office. >>> Kind regards >>>> A (Information taken from the Presidents Blog.) >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> >>>> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA >>>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >>>> DeTomaso mailing list >>>> [3][13]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>>> [4][14]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>>> >>>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, >>> etc.) use the links above. >>>> >>>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to >>> forward >>> any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of >>> the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an >>> archive or approve the archiving of list messages. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA >>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >>> DeTomaso mailing list >>> [5][15]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>> [6][16]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, >>> etc.) use the links above. >>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward >>> any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of >>> the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an >>> archive or approve the archiving of list messages. >>> References >>> 1. [17]mailto:edducati@mac.com >>> 2. [18]mailto:rkunishige@hotmail.com >>> 3. [19]mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com >>> 4. [20]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>> 5. [21]mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com >>> 6. [22]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA >>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >>> DeTomaso mailing list >>> [23]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>> [24]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > etc.) >>> use the links above. >>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward >> any >>> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the >>> list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an >> archive >>> or approve the archiving of list messages. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA >>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >>> DeTomaso mailing list >>> [25]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>> [26]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>> >>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > etc.) >> use the links above. >>> >>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward >> any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of > the >> list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an > archive >> or approve the archiving of list messages. >> _______________________________________________ >> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> [27]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> [28]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) >> use the links above. >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward > any >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the >> list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an > archive >> or approve the archiving of list messages. >> >> References >> >> 1. [4]mailto:marshallgsmith@sbcglobal.net >> 2. [5]mailto:redcatman74@gmail.com >> 3. [6]mailto:edducati@mac.com >> 4. [7]mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> 5. [8]mailto:edducati@mac.com >> 6. [9]mailto:rkunishige@hotmail.com >> 7. [10]mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> 8. [11]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> 9. [12]mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> 10. [13]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> 11. [14]mailto:edducati@mac.com >> 12. [15]mailto:rkunishige@hotmail.com >> 13. [16]mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> 14. [17]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> 15. [18]mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> 16. [19]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> 17. [20]mailto:edducati@mac.com? >> 18. [21]mailto:rkunishige@hotmail.com? >> 19. [22]mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com? >> 20. [23]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> 21. [24]mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com? >> 22. [25]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> 23. [26]mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> 24. [27]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> 25. [28]mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> 26. [29]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> 27. [30]mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> 28. [31]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> [32]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward > any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive > or approve the archiving of list messages. > > References > > 1. mailto:erichards@zogob.sdcoxmail.com > 2. mailto:fastgrandma@aol.com > 3. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 4. mailto:marshallgsmith@sbcglobal.net > 5. mailto:redcatman74@gmail.com > 6. mailto:edducati@mac.com > 7. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 8. mailto:edducati@mac.com > 9. mailto:rkunishige@hotmail.com > 10. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 11. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > 12. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 13. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > 14. mailto:edducati@mac.com > 15. mailto:rkunishige@hotmail.com > 16. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 17. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > 18. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 19. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > 20. mailto:edducati@mac.com? > 21. mailto:rkunishige@hotmail.com? > 22. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com? > 23. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > 24. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com? > 25. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > 26. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 27. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > 28. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 29. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > 30. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 31. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > 32. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. I agree! Sent from my Windows Phone __________________________________________________________________ From: [1]scottcouchman(a)yahoo.com Sent: 5/31/2016 8:03 PM To: [2]Christopher Kimball Cc: [3]Effie Richards; [4]fastgrandma; [5]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis Christopher, we polled our Chapter members and only found one member that wanted the newsletter by email. I'm a member of a Mustang Club also. They distribute a printed copy of their newsletter at the monthly meeting. If you don't attend the monthly general meeting, it is posted to their website a month later. You can then read it on-line or download it and print it yourself. I enjoy the hard copy I get at the general meeting and read it pretty much front to back. But if I miss the meeting, I never print out the PDF. Could I? Yes.....do I? No. Sounds like maybe we're both old school, but our survey of members showed we have lots of old school members. Scott > On May 30, 2016, at 7:51 AM, Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball(a)msn.com> wrote: > > Although I agree online issues of the newsletter should be available, > even the norm, I really prefer getting printed copies. I pass them > along to a mechanic friend of mine. I know if I had to print them out > myself I simply wouldn't do it. > Thanks to the POCA board and leadership for helping to keep the club > moving forward! > Sincerely, > Chris > Sent from my Windows Phone > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: [1]Effie Richards > Sent: 5/29/2016 9:44 PM > To: [2]fastgrandma > Cc: [3]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis > > My husband, for one, does not "do" computer, which is why I become his > voice! I would of course print for him, but what about when I'm not > around any longer? Things happen... > Sent from Effie's iPad >> On May 29, 2016, at 7:19 PM, fastgrandma <fastgrandma(a)aol.com> wrote: >> >> You have to realize that not everyone has a computer and some that do > absolutely do not want their Newsletter online. The Newsletter has been > sent as a pdf to the Eruopeans and members in Canada for some time now > but even there, a couple want paper copies and that should be their > absolute right since that is the one thing that the club does for its > members: the publications! >> >> At the Rally we heard from several who had various reasons for > wanting printed publications only and it would be very wrong to deny > that. Maybe those 'other' clubs might do that but that is a good reason > to not belong to them. >> >> Judy >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Pantdino via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> >> To: erichards <erichards(a)zogob.sdcoxmail.com>; marshallgsmith > <marshallgsmith(a)sbcglobal.net> >> Cc: detomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> >> Sent: Sun, May 29, 2016 5:30 pm >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis >> >> I thought the newsletter was going to be online only (hence will be >> color for free) , while only the Profiles will on paper and mailed. >> No? >> >> >> >> I don't see why anyone would not renew their membership-- with all > the >> old publications online and an improved website the club has more to >> offer than ever. >> >> >> >> Jim Oddie >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Effie Richards <erichards(a)zogob.sdcoxmail.com> >> To: marshallgsmith <marshallgsmith(a)sbcglobal.net> >> Cc: detomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> >> Sent: Sun, May 29, 2016 5:08 pm >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis >> Well said Marshall! Many Kudos to Jack DeRyke from me too! We love > your >> work! >> Sent from Effie's iPad >>>> On May 29, 2016, at 4:05 PM, marshallgsmith >>> <[1]marshallgsmith(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>> >>> Now wait a minute Dick, what you write here is WAY too level-headed >> for >>> this forum! >>> >>> Who is this really?? >>> >>> All joking aside, I obtain multiple bids for every one of a > 'number' >> of >>> projects that I need to conduct every year. If I found a company > that >>> could save me $8,000 a year on a particular project, I would have >> felt >>> like I won the lottery! >>> >>> Sure, every once in a while the new company who submitted the > lowest >>> bid does not do as good of a job of the old one but when that >> happens, >>> I go back to the next bid which sometimes was the same company I > used >>> previously and all is back to normal. >>> >>> $8,000 a year is an awful lot of money just to stay with the > company >>> that you have and had comfort with. >>> >>> The statement of adding color to the newsletter would of course > cost >> a >>> bit more money but when you consider that we would be saving $8,000 >> off >>> the top, we have a touch more money to play with and the savings >> would >>> still be very sizable. >>> >>> Plus, if any car club newsletter in this country is worthy of > several >>> color pages, it absolutely would be Jack DeRyke's!! This club is > and >>> will be indebted to you forever Jack! Thanks for the wonderful work >> you >>> do to keep our colorful jalopies on the road!! >>> >>> Marshall >>> >>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone >>> >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> From: Dick Koch <[2]redcatman74(a)gmail.com> >>> Date: 05/29/2016 9:57 AM (GMT-08:00) >>> To: Ed Mendez <[3]edducati(a)mac.com> >>> Cc: [4]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis >>> Ed, thanks for the clarification of the misinformation and >>> non-productive >>> comments that have been made in recent weeks, many very personal > and >>> vindictive, and quite frankly detrimental to the club. >>> It is good to have different points of view on club business. But > to >>> present one's point of view in a negative and personal manner, does >>> nothing but diminish that person's potentially valued point, and >> their >>> persona in the eyes of others. >>> From some of the comments made, it appears obvious to me that many > of >>> the >>> detractors do not have much experience in running a business. And >> make >>> no >>> mistake POCA is a business, albeit a non-profit one. To thrive, > this >>> club >>> must not stand on it's laurels, but continue to enhance it's value >> add >>> to >>> it's customers. >>> As far as looking at the printer used for the production of the >>> newsletter, >>> for the board to not look for less expensive options, as with any >> other >>> expense, with better offerings, is irresponsible. >>> I can only wonder what is going on behind the scenes that would > have >>> folks >>> want to stay with a service provider that is noncompetitive and >>> provides >>> less for much more money. We have enough cronyism in our > government. >>> Hopefully that is not the case here, and there has been a reason > for >>> keeping a more expensive service that provides less. >>> I won't bother to comment on the absurdity of continuing to mail > the >>> newsletter, that can be printed by anyone that is not to lazy to > take >>> 3 >>> minutes to print it, since that may be construed as negative. >>> As regards to a point Ed stated, the club is not run by one person. >>> Each >>> person on the board has a say, with a majority required to decide > on >>> every >>> issue. Pointing ones frustration at one person is just that, >> pointless. >>> Items approved by the board, were "sold" to the board by a member > of >>> the >>> board to the other members of the board, showing how approving that >>> item >>> would benefit the club member's experience, with the underlying >>> financial >>> implications outlined that would strengthen the clubs long term >>> financial >>> health. >>> Constructive criticism is just that: criticism presented in a >>> constructive >>> manner, with negative comments of a personal nature irrelevant and >>> therefore non-constructive. >>> I for one think the new POCA board is doing a fantastic job, and to >>> think >>> they are doing their job for free. What a deal... >>> By the way, if someone feels they want to get personal with their >>> comments, >>> take it out on me. I deserve it for letting 6831 sit idle with a >> blown >>> header gasket for years. >>> Peace, fellow "cat" owners. >>> Dick Koch - Atlanta >>> Still one of the few remaining original Pantera owners still lucky >>> enough >>> to be on the sunny side of the grass. >>>> On May 29, 2016 2:12 AM, "Ed Mendez" <[5]edducati(a)mac.com> wrote: >>>> See below. >>>> >>>>> On 28/05/2016, at 11:53, Rod Kunishige > <[6]rkunishige(a)hotmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It is interesting that this President changed a generous grace >>> period >>>>> without notice. >>>> >>>> False it's in the bylaws and has been for some time now. Warning > at >>> 30 >>>> days, at 60 days the membership expires, check the Fiat club, >> Ferrari >>> club, >>>> Porsche club, they all have similar rules. >>>>> >>>>> The so-called "shortfall" is created in part by the $10 increased >>>>> rebate to the chapters that was NOT requested in the first place. >>> The >>>>> return of this sum places the club at nearly breakeven. Simply, >>> use >>>>> the money to pay for our publication costs. >>>> False - check your facts, the rebate was welcome by the majority >>> chapter >>>> presidents. >>>> >>>>> PROPOSED: $75 dues less $15 to chapters yields $60 to fund the >>> $62.52 >>>>> publication estimate per MS. >>>> >>>> That is true, and that is why we are trying to get competitive >> quotes >>> for >>>> printing to try and save money. MS found a printer that is $8000 > per >>> year >>>> cheaper than the one we are currently using. >>>>> >>>>> Our $100,000 reserve would easily fund the $2.52 per year. >>> Carrying >>>>> 853 members at $2.52 is $2,149.56 per year. Divide that into >>> 100,000 >>>>> means funding covers 46.5 YEARS. >>>> False - check your facts, most non profits have two year reserve > in >>> the >>>> bank, the Ferrari and Porsche clubs have $1,000,000 each in > reserve. >>> You >>>> can google there income statements. >>>> >>>> >>>>> OPINION: >>>>> >>>>> I do recognize that Mr. Shortt controls the Board by a 5 to 4 > vote >>> but >>>>> there I think that this is a better solution than what MS has >>>>> proposed. Finally, kudos goes to him for at least publishing the >>>>> actions he intends to take so we may make positive suggestions > for >>>> >>>> False, if you look at the meeting minutes of the BOD, most things > we >>> have >>>> coated on have been either unanimous vote or close to it, in fact >>> there >>>> very few times it was 5-4. Again we vote in the best interest of > the >>> club >>>> >>>> This forum is supposed to be about DeTomaso, hence the name; and >>> should >>>> not be used for POCA bashing, it really makes us all look bad. If >> you >>> have >>>> an issue talk with someone about your concern, preferably your >>> chapter >>>> president, they are your representative as in any organization. > It's >>> very >>>> easy to simply pick up the phone instead of using this email list > as >>> a >>>> podium for your disdain of MS. It's obvious, we get it. Please > take >>> it >>>> offline. >>>> >>>> If you think you can do a better job than volunteer as I did, and >>> many >>>> others before me, and run for office. >>>> >>>> Kind regards >>>> >>>>> (Information taken from the Presidents Blog.) >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA >>>>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >>>>> DeTomaso mailing list >>>>> [7]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>>>> [8]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>>>> >>>>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, >>> etc.) >>>> use the links above. >>>>> >>>>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to > forward >>> any >>>> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the >>> list. >>>> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive > or >>> approve >>>> the archiving of list messages. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> >>>> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA >>>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >>>> DeTomaso mailing list >>>> [9]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>>> [10]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>>> >>>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, >> etc.) >>> use >>>> the links above. >>>> >>>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward >>> any >>>> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the >>> list. >>>> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive > or >>> approve >>>> the archiving of list messages. >>> Ed, thanks for the clarification of the misinformation and >>> non-productive comments that have been made in recent weeks, many >>> very >>> personal and vindictive, and quite frankly detrimental to the club. >>> It is good to have different points of view on club business. But > to >>> present one's point of view in a negative and personalA manner, >>> does >>> nothing but diminish that person's potentially valued point, and >>> their >>> persona in the eyes of others. >>> From some of the comments made, it appears obvious to me that many >>> of >>> the detractors do not have much experience in running a business. >>> And >>> make no mistake POCA is a business, albeit a non-profit one. To >>> thrive, >>> this club must not stand on it's laurels, but continue to enhance >>> it's >>> value add to it's customers. >>> As far as looking at the printer used for the production of the >>> newsletter, for the board to not look for less expensive options, > as >>> with any other expense, with better offerings, is irresponsible. >>> I can only wonder what is going on behind the scenes that would > have >>> folks want to stay with a service provider that is noncompetitive >>> and >>> provides less for much more money.A We have enough cronyism in our >>> government. Hopefully that is not the case here, and there has been >>> a >>> reason for keeping a more expensive service that provides less. >>> I won't bother to comment on the absurdity of continuing to mail > the >>> newsletter, that can be printed by anyoneA that is not to lazy to >>> take >>> 3 minutes to print it, since that may be construed as negative. >>> As regards to a point Ed stated, the club is not run by one > person.A >>> Each person on the board has a say, with a majority required to >>> decide >>> on every issue. Pointing ones frustration at one person is just >>> that, >>> pointless. >>> Items approved by the board, were "sold" to the board by a member > of >>> the board to the other members of the board, showing how approving >>> that >>> item would benefit the club member's experience, with the > underlying >>> financial implications outlined that would strengthen the clubs > long >>> term financial health. >>> Constructive criticism is just that: criticism presented in a >>> constructive manner, with negative comments of a personal nature >>> irrelevant and therefore non-constructive. >>> I for one think the new POCA board is doing a fantastic job, and to >>> think they are doing their job for free. What a deal... >>> By the way, if someone feels they want to get personal with their >>> comments, take it out on me.A I deserve it for letting 6831 sit >>> idle >>> with a blown header gasket for years. >>> Peace, fellow "cat" owners. >>> Dick Koch - Atlanta >>> Still one of the few remaining original Pantera owners still lucky >>> enough to be on the sunny side of the grass. >>>> On May 29, 2016 2:12 AM, "Ed Mendez" <[1][11]edducati(a)mac.com> >> wrote: >>>> See below. >>>> On 28/05/2016, at 11:53, Rod Kunishige >>> <[2][12]rkunishige(a)hotmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> A It is interesting that this President changed a generous grace >>> period >>>> A without notice. >>> False it's in the bylaws and has been for some time now. Warning >>> at >>> 30 days, at 60 days the membership expires, check the Fiat club, >>> Ferrari club, Porsche club, they all have similar rules. >>>> >>>> A The so-called "shortfall" is created in part by the $10 >>> increased >>>> A rebate to the chapters that was NOT requested in the first >>> place.A The >>>> A return of this sum places the club at nearly breakeven.A >>> Simply, use >>>> A the money to pay for our publication costs. >>> False - check your facts, the rebate was welcome by the majority >>> chapter presidents. >>>> A PROPOSED:A $75 dues less $15 to chapters yields $60 to fund >>> the >>> $62.52 >>>> A publication estimate per MS. >>> That is true, and that is why we are trying to get competitive >>> quotes for printing to try and save money. MS found a printer that >>> is $8000 per year cheaper than the one we are currently using. >>>> >>>> A Our $100,000 reserve would easily fund the $2.52 per year.A >>> Carrying >>>> A 853 members at $2.52 is $2,149.56 per year.A Divide that into >>> 100,000 >>>> A means funding covers 46.5 YEARS. >>> False - check your facts, most non profits have two year reserve >>> in >>> the bank, the Ferrari and Porsche clubs have $1,000,000 each in >>> reserve. You can google there income statements. >>>> A OPINION: >>>> >>>> A I do recognize that Mr. Shortt controls the Board by a 5 to 4 >>> vote but >>>> A there I think that this is a better solution than what MS has >>>> A proposed.A Finally, kudos goes to him for at least publishing >>> the >>>> A actions he intends to take so we may make positive suggestions >>> for >>> False, if you look at the meeting minutes of the BOD, most things >>> we >>> have coated on have been either unanimous vote or close to it, in >>> fact there very few times it was 5-4. Again we vote in the best >>> interest of the club >>> This forum is supposed to be about DeTomaso, hence the name; and >>> should not be used for POCA bashing, it really makes us all look >>> bad. If you have an issue talk with someone about your concern, >>> preferably your chapter president, they are your representative as >>> in any organization. It's very easy to simply pick up the phone >>> instead of using this email list as a podium for your disdain of >>> MS. >>> It's obvious, we get it. Please take it offline. >>> If you think you can do a better job than volunteer as I did, and >>> many others before me, and run for office. >>> Kind regards >>>> A (Information taken from the Presidents Blog.) >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> >>>> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA >>>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >>>> DeTomaso mailing list >>>> [3][13]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>>> [4][14]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>>> >>>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, >>> etc.) use the links above. >>>> >>>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to >>> forward >>> any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of >>> the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an >>> archive or approve the archiving of list messages. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA >>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >>> DeTomaso mailing list >>> [5][15]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>> [6][16]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, >>> etc.) use the links above. >>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward >>> any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of >>> the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an >>> archive or approve the archiving of list messages. >>> References >>> 1. [17]mailto:edducati@mac.com >>> 2. [18]mailto:rkunishige@hotmail.com >>> 3. [19]mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com >>> 4. [20]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>> 5. [21]mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com >>> 6. [22]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA >>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >>> DeTomaso mailing list >>> [23]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>> [24]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > etc.) >>> use the links above. >>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward >> any >>> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the >>> list. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an > archive >> or approve the archiving of list messages. >> _______________________________________________ >> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> [27]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> [28]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) >> use the links above. >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward > any >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the >> list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an > archive >> or approve the archiving of list messages. >> >> References >> >> 1. [4]mailto:marshallgsmith@sbcglobal.net >> 2. [5]mailto:redcatman74@gmail.com >> 3. [6]mailto:edducati@mac.com >> 4. [7]mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> 5. [8]mailto:edducati@mac.com >> 6. 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[37]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > [38]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:scottcouchman@yahoo.com 2. mailto:chrisvkimball@msn.com 3. mailto:erichards@zogob.sdcoxmail.com 4. mailto:fastgrandma@aol.com 5. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 6. mailto:erichards@zogob.sdcoxmail.com 7. mailto:fastgrandma@aol.com 8. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 9. mailto:marshallgsmith@sbcglobal.net 10. mailto:redcatman74@gmail.com 11. mailto:edducati@mac.com 12. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 13. mailto:edducati@mac.com 14. mailto:rkunishige@hotmail.com 15. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 16. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 17. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 18. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 19. mailto:edducati@mac.com 20. mailto:rkunishige@hotmail.com 21. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 22. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 23. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 24. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 25. mailto:edducati@mac.com? 26. mailto:rkunishige@hotmail.com? 27. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com? 28. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 29. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com? 30. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 31. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 32. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 33. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 34. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 35. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 36. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 37. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 38. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso

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Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis
by Christopher Kimball 01 Jun '16

01 Jun '16

Although I agree online issues of the newsletter should be available, even the norm, I really prefer getting printed copies. I pass them along to a mechanic friend of mine. I know if I had to print them out myself I simply wouldn't do it. Thanks to the POCA board and leadership for helping to keep the club moving forward! Sincerely, Chris Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Effie Richards<mailto:erichards@zogob.sdcoxmail.com> Sent: ‎5/‎29/‎2016 9:44 PM To: fastgrandma<mailto:fastgrandma@aol.com> Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis My husband, for one, does not "do" computer, which is why I become his voice! I would of course print for him, but what about when I'm not around any longer? Things happen... Sent from Effie's iPad > On May 29, 2016, at 7:19 PM, fastgrandma <fastgrandma(a)aol.com> wrote: > > You have to realize that not everyone has a computer and some that do absolutely do not want their Newsletter online. The Newsletter has been sent as a pdf to the Eruopeans and members in Canada for some time now but even there, a couple want paper copies and that should be their absolute right since that is the one thing that the club does for its members: the publications! > > At the Rally we heard from several who had various reasons for wanting printed publications only and it would be very wrong to deny that. Maybe those 'other' clubs might do that but that is a good reason to not belong to them. > > Judy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pantdino via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > To: erichards <erichards(a)zogob.sdcoxmail.com>; marshallgsmith <marshallgsmith(a)sbcglobal.net> > Cc: detomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > Sent: Sun, May 29, 2016 5:30 pm > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis > > I thought the newsletter was going to be online only (hence will be > color for free) , while only the Profiles will on paper and mailed. > No? > > > > I don't see why anyone would not renew their membership-- with all the > old publications online and an improved website the club has more to > offer than ever. > > > > Jim Oddie > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Effie Richards <erichards(a)zogob.sdcoxmail.com> > To: marshallgsmith <marshallgsmith(a)sbcglobal.net> > Cc: detomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > Sent: Sun, May 29, 2016 5:08 pm > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis > Well said Marshall! Many Kudos to Jack DeRyke from me too! We love your > work! > Sent from Effie's iPad > > On May 29, 2016, at 4:05 PM, marshallgsmith > <[1]marshallgsmith(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > > > Now wait a minute Dick, what you write here is WAY too level-headed > for > > this forum! > > > > Who is this really?? > > > > All joking aside, I obtain multiple bids for every one of a 'number' > of > > projects that I need to conduct every year. If I found a company that > > could save me $8,000 a year on a particular project, I would have > felt > > like I won the lottery! > > > > Sure, every once in a while the new company who submitted the lowest > > bid does not do as good of a job of the old one but when that > happens, > > I go back to the next bid which sometimes was the same company I used > > previously and all is back to normal. > > > > $8,000 a year is an awful lot of money just to stay with the company > > that you have and had comfort with. > > > > The statement of adding color to the newsletter would of course cost > a > > bit more money but when you consider that we would be saving $8,000 > off > > the top, we have a touch more money to play with and the savings > would > > still be very sizable. > > > > Plus, if any car club newsletter in this country is worthy of several > > color pages, it absolutely would be Jack DeRyke's!! This club is and > > will be indebted to you forever Jack! Thanks for the wonderful work > you > > do to keep our colorful jalopies on the road!! > > > > Marshall > > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: Dick Koch <[2]redcatman74(a)gmail.com> > > Date: 05/29/2016 9:57 AM (GMT-08:00) > > To: Ed Mendez <[3]edducati(a)mac.com> > > Cc: [4]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis > > Ed, thanks for the clarification of the misinformation and > > non-productive > > comments that have been made in recent weeks, many very personal and > > vindictive, and quite frankly detrimental to the club. > > It is good to have different points of view on club business. But to > > present one's point of view in a negative and personal manner, does > > nothing but diminish that person's potentially valued point, and > their > > persona in the eyes of others. > > From some of the comments made, it appears obvious to me that many of > > the > > detractors do not have much experience in running a business. And > make > > no > > mistake POCA is a business, albeit a non-profit one. To thrive, this > > club > > must not stand on it's laurels, but continue to enhance it's value > add > > to > > it's customers. > > As far as looking at the printer used for the production of the > > newsletter, > > for the board to not look for less expensive options, as with any > other > > expense, with better offerings, is irresponsible. > > I can only wonder what is going on behind the scenes that would have > > folks > > want to stay with a service provider that is noncompetitive and > > provides > > less for much more money. We have enough cronyism in our government. > > Hopefully that is not the case here, and there has been a reason for > > keeping a more expensive service that provides less. > > I won't bother to comment on the absurdity of continuing to mail the > > newsletter, that can be printed by anyone that is not to lazy to take > > 3 > > minutes to print it, since that may be construed as negative. > > As regards to a point Ed stated, the club is not run by one person. > > Each > > person on the board has a say, with a majority required to decide on > > every > > issue. Pointing ones frustration at one person is just that, > pointless. > > Items approved by the board, were "sold" to the board by a member of > > the > > board to the other members of the board, showing how approving that > > item > > would benefit the club member's experience, with the underlying > > financial > > implications outlined that would strengthen the clubs long term > > financial > > health. > > Constructive criticism is just that: criticism presented in a > > constructive > > manner, with negative comments of a personal nature irrelevant and > > therefore non-constructive. > > I for one think the new POCA board is doing a fantastic job, and to > > think > > they are doing their job for free. What a deal... > > By the way, if someone feels they want to get personal with their > > comments, > > take it out on me. I deserve it for letting 6831 sit idle with a > blown > > header gasket for years. > > Peace, fellow "cat" owners. > > Dick Koch - Atlanta > > Still one of the few remaining original Pantera owners still lucky > > enough > > to be on the sunny side of the grass. > >> On May 29, 2016 2:12 AM, "Ed Mendez" <[5]edducati(a)mac.com> wrote: > >> See below. > >> > >>> On 28/05/2016, at 11:53, Rod Kunishige <[6]rkunishige(a)hotmail.com> > > wrote: > >>> > >>> It is interesting that this President changed a generous grace > > period > >>> without notice. > >> > >> False it's in the bylaws and has been for some time now. Warning at > > 30 > >> days, at 60 days the membership expires, check the Fiat club, > Ferrari > > club, > >> Porsche club, they all have similar rules. > >>> > >>> The so-called "shortfall" is created in part by the $10 increased > >>> rebate to the chapters that was NOT requested in the first place. > > The > >>> return of this sum places the club at nearly breakeven. Simply, > > use > >>> the money to pay for our publication costs. > >> False - check your facts, the rebate was welcome by the majority > > chapter > >> presidents. > >> > >>> PROPOSED: $75 dues less $15 to chapters yields $60 to fund the > > $62.52 > >>> publication estimate per MS. > >> > >> That is true, and that is why we are trying to get competitive > quotes > > for > >> printing to try and save money. MS found a printer that is $8000 per > > year > >> cheaper than the one we are currently using. > >>> > >>> Our $100,000 reserve would easily fund the $2.52 per year. > > Carrying > >>> 853 members at $2.52 is $2,149.56 per year. Divide that into > > 100,000 > >>> means funding covers 46.5 YEARS. > >> False - check your facts, most non profits have two year reserve in > > the > >> bank, the Ferrari and Porsche clubs have $1,000,000 each in reserve. > > You > >> can google there income statements. > >> > >> > >>> OPINION: > >>> > >>> I do recognize that Mr. Shortt controls the Board by a 5 to 4 vote > > but > >>> there I think that this is a better solution than what MS has > >>> proposed. Finally, kudos goes to him for at least publishing the > >>> actions he intends to take so we may make positive suggestions for > >> > >> False, if you look at the meeting minutes of the BOD, most things we > > have > >> coated on have been either unanimous vote or close to it, in fact > > there > >> very few times it was 5-4. Again we vote in the best interest of the > > club > >> > >> This forum is supposed to be about DeTomaso, hence the name; and > > should > >> not be used for POCA bashing, it really makes us all look bad. If > you > > have > >> an issue talk with someone about your concern, preferably your > > chapter > >> president, they are your representative as in any organization. It's > > very > >> easy to simply pick up the phone instead of using this email list as > > a > >> podium for your disdain of MS. It's obvious, we get it. Please take > > it > >> offline. > >> > >> If you think you can do a better job than volunteer as I did, and > > many > >> others before me, and run for office. > >> > >> Kind regards > >> > >>> (Information taken from the Presidents Blog.) > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> > >>> > >>> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > >>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > >>> DeTomaso mailing list > >>> [7]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > >>> [8]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > >>> > >>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > > etc.) > >> use the links above. > >>> > >>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward > > any > >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > > list. > >> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or > > approve > >> the archiving of list messages. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> > >> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > >> DeTomaso mailing list > >> [9]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > >> [10]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > >> > >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > etc.) > > use > >> the links above. > >> > >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward > > any > >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > > list. > >> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or > > approve > >> the archiving of list messages. > > Ed, thanks for the clarification of the misinformation and > > non-productive comments that have been made in recent weeks, many > > very > > personal and vindictive, and quite frankly detrimental to the club. > > It is good to have different points of view on club business. But to > > present one's point of view in a negative and personalA manner, > > does > > nothing but diminish that person's potentially valued point, and > > their > > persona in the eyes of others. > > From some of the comments made, it appears obvious to me that many > > of > > the detractors do not have much experience in running a business. > > And > > make no mistake POCA is a business, albeit a non-profit one. To > > thrive, > > this club must not stand on it's laurels, but continue to enhance > > it's > > value add to it's customers. > > As far as looking at the printer used for the production of the > > newsletter, for the board to not look for less expensive options, as > > with any other expense, with better offerings, is irresponsible. > > I can only wonder what is going on behind the scenes that would have > > folks want to stay with a service provider that is noncompetitive > > and > > provides less for much more money.A We have enough cronyism in our > > government. Hopefully that is not the case here, and there has been > > a > > reason for keeping a more expensive service that provides less. > > I won't bother to comment on the absurdity of continuing to mail the > > newsletter, that can be printed by anyoneA that is not to lazy to > > take > > 3 minutes to print it, since that may be construed as negative. > > As regards to a point Ed stated, the club is not run by one person.A > > Each person on the board has a say, with a majority required to > > decide > > on every issue. Pointing ones frustration at one person is just > > that, > > pointless. > > Items approved by the board, were "sold" to the board by a member of > > the board to the other members of the board, showing how approving > > that > > item would benefit the club member's experience, with the underlying > > financial implications outlined that would strengthen the clubs long > > term financial health. > > Constructive criticism is just that: criticism presented in a > > constructive manner, with negative comments of a personal nature > > irrelevant and therefore non-constructive. > > I for one think the new POCA board is doing a fantastic job, and to > > think they are doing their job for free. What a deal... > > By the way, if someone feels they want to get personal with their > > comments, take it out on me.A I deserve it for letting 6831 sit > > idle > > with a blown header gasket for years. > > Peace, fellow "cat" owners. > > Dick Koch - Atlanta > > Still one of the few remaining original Pantera owners still lucky > > enough to be on the sunny side of the grass. > >> On May 29, 2016 2:12 AM, "Ed Mendez" <[1][11]edducati(a)mac.com> > wrote: > >> See below. > >> On 28/05/2016, at 11:53, Rod Kunishige > > <[2][12]rkunishige(a)hotmail.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> A It is interesting that this President changed a generous grace > > period > >> A without notice. > > False it's in the bylaws and has been for some time now. Warning > > at > > 30 days, at 60 days the membership expires, check the Fiat club, > > Ferrari club, Porsche club, they all have similar rules. > >> > >> A The so-called "shortfall" is created in part by the $10 > > increased > >> A rebate to the chapters that was NOT requested in the first > > place.A The > >> A return of this sum places the club at nearly breakeven.A > > Simply, use > >> A the money to pay for our publication costs. > > False - check your facts, the rebate was welcome by the majority > > chapter presidents. > >> A PROPOSED:A $75 dues less $15 to chapters yields $60 to fund > > the > > $62.52 > >> A publication estimate per MS. > > That is true, and that is why we are trying to get competitive > > quotes for printing to try and save money. MS found a printer that > > is $8000 per year cheaper than the one we are currently using. > >> > >> A Our $100,000 reserve would easily fund the $2.52 per year.A > > Carrying > >> A 853 members at $2.52 is $2,149.56 per year.A Divide that into > > 100,000 > >> A means funding covers 46.5 YEARS. > > False - check your facts, most non profits have two year reserve > > in > > the bank, the Ferrari and Porsche clubs have $1,000,000 each in > > reserve. You can google there income statements. > >> A OPINION: > >> > >> A I do recognize that Mr. Shortt controls the Board by a 5 to 4 > > vote but > >> A there I think that this is a better solution than what MS has > >> A proposed.A Finally, kudos goes to him for at least publishing > > the > >> A actions he intends to take so we may make positive suggestions > > for > > False, if you look at the meeting minutes of the BOD, most things > > we > > have coated on have been either unanimous vote or close to it, in > > fact there very few times it was 5-4. Again we vote in the best > > interest of the club > > This forum is supposed to be about DeTomaso, hence the name; and > > should not be used for POCA bashing, it really makes us all look > > bad. If you have an issue talk with someone about your concern, > > preferably your chapter president, they are your representative as > > in any organization. It's very easy to simply pick up the phone > > instead of using this email list as a podium for your disdain of > > MS. > > It's obvious, we get it. Please take it offline. > > If you think you can do a better job than volunteer as I did, and > > many others before me, and run for office. > > Kind regards > >> A (Information taken from the Presidents Blog.) > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> > >> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > >> DeTomaso mailing list > >> [3][13]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > >> [4][14]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > >> > >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > > etc.) use the links above. > >> > >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to > > forward > > any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of > > the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an > > archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > > DeTomaso mailing list > > [5][15]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > > [6][16]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > > etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward > > any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of > > the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an > > archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > > References > > 1. [17]mailto:edducati@mac.com > > 2. [18]mailto:rkunishige@hotmail.com > > 3. [19]mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > > 4. [20]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > 5. [21]mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > > 6. [22]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > > DeTomaso mailing list > > [23]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > > [24]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > > use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward > any > > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > > list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an > archive > > or approve the archiving of list messages. > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > > DeTomaso mailing list > > [25]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > > [26]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > > > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward > any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive > or approve the archiving of list messages. > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [27]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > [28]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive > or approve the archiving of list messages. > > References > > 1. mailto:marshallgsmith@sbcglobal.net > 2. mailto:redcatman74@gmail.com > 3. mailto:edducati@mac.com > 4. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 5. mailto:edducati@mac.com > 6. mailto:rkunishige@hotmail.com > 7. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 8. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > 9. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 10. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > 11. mailto:edducati@mac.com > 12. mailto:rkunishige@hotmail.com > 13. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 14. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > 15. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 16. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > 17. mailto:edducati@mac.com? > 18. mailto:rkunishige@hotmail.com? > 19. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com? > 20. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > 21. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com? > 22. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > 23. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 24. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > 25. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 26. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > 27. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 28. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Although I agree online issues of the newsletter should be available, even the norm, I really prefer getting printed copies. I pass them along to a mechanic friend of mine. I know if I had to print them out myself I simply wouldn't do it. Thanks to the POCA board and leadership for helping to keep the club moving forward! Sincerely, Chris Sent from my Windows Phone __________________________________________________________________ From: [1]Effie Richards Sent: 5/29/2016 9:44 PM To: [2]fastgrandma Cc: [3]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis My husband, for one, does not "do" computer, which is why I become his voice! I would of course print for him, but what about when I'm not around any longer? Things happen... Sent from Effie's iPad > On May 29, 2016, at 7:19 PM, fastgrandma <fastgrandma(a)aol.com> wrote: > > You have to realize that not everyone has a computer and some that do absolutely do not want their Newsletter online. The Newsletter has been sent as a pdf to the Eruopeans and members in Canada for some time now but even there, a couple want paper copies and that should be their absolute right since that is the one thing that the club does for its members: the publications! > > At the Rally we heard from several who had various reasons for wanting printed publications only and it would be very wrong to deny that. Maybe those 'other' clubs might do that but that is a good reason to not belong to them. > > Judy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pantdino via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > To: erichards <erichards(a)zogob.sdcoxmail.com>; marshallgsmith <marshallgsmith(a)sbcglobal.net> > Cc: detomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > Sent: Sun, May 29, 2016 5:30 pm > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis > > I thought the newsletter was going to be online only (hence will be > color for free) , while only the Profiles will on paper and mailed. > No? > > > > I don't see why anyone would not renew their membership-- with all the > old publications online and an improved website the club has more to > offer than ever. > > > > Jim Oddie > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Effie Richards <erichards(a)zogob.sdcoxmail.com> > To: marshallgsmith <marshallgsmith(a)sbcglobal.net> > Cc: detomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > Sent: Sun, May 29, 2016 5:08 pm > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis > Well said Marshall! Many Kudos to Jack DeRyke from me too! We love your > work! > Sent from Effie's iPad > > On May 29, 2016, at 4:05 PM, marshallgsmith > <[1]marshallgsmith(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > > > Now wait a minute Dick, what you write here is WAY too level-headed > for > > this forum! > > > > Who is this really?? > > > > All joking aside, I obtain multiple bids for every one of a 'number' > of > > projects that I need to conduct every year. If I found a company that > > could save me $8,000 a year on a particular project, I would have > felt > > like I won the lottery! > > > > Sure, every once in a while the new company who submitted the lowest > > bid does not do as good of a job of the old one but when that > happens, > > I go back to the next bid which sometimes was the same company I used > > previously and all is back to normal. > > > > $8,000 a year is an awful lot of money just to stay with the company > > that you have and had comfort with. > > > > The statement of adding color to the newsletter would of course cost > a > > bit more money but when you consider that we would be saving $8,000 > off > > the top, we have a touch more money to play with and the savings > would > > still be very sizable. > > > > Plus, if any car club newsletter in this country is worthy of several > > color pages, it absolutely would be Jack DeRyke's!! This club is and > > will be indebted to you forever Jack! Thanks for the wonderful work > you > > do to keep our colorful jalopies on the road!! > > > > Marshall > > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: Dick Koch <[2]redcatman74(a)gmail.com> > > Date: 05/29/2016 9:57 AM (GMT-08:00) > > To: Ed Mendez <[3]edducati(a)mac.com> > > Cc: [4]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis > > Ed, thanks for the clarification of the misinformation and > > non-productive > > comments that have been made in recent weeks, many very personal and > > vindictive, and quite frankly detrimental to the club. > > It is good to have different points of view on club business. But to > > present one's point of view in a negative and personal manner, does > > nothing but diminish that person's potentially valued point, and > their > > persona in the eyes of others. > > From some of the comments made, it appears obvious to me that many of > > the > > detractors do not have much experience in running a business. And > make > > no > > mistake POCA is a business, albeit a non-profit one. To thrive, this > > club > > must not stand on it's laurels, but continue to enhance it's value > add > > to > > it's customers. > > As far as looking at the printer used for the production of the > > newsletter, > > for the board to not look for less expensive options, as with any > other > > expense, with better offerings, is irresponsible. > > I can only wonder what is going on behind the scenes that would have > > folks > > want to stay with a service provider that is noncompetitive and > > provides > > less for much more money. We have enough cronyism in our government. > > Hopefully that is not the case here, and there has been a reason for > > keeping a more expensive service that provides less. > > I won't bother to comment on the absurdity of continuing to mail the > > newsletter, that can be printed by anyone that is not to lazy to take > > 3 > > minutes to print it, since that may be construed as negative. > > As regards to a point Ed stated, the club is not run by one person. > > Each > > person on the board has a say, with a majority required to decide on > > every > > issue. Pointing ones frustration at one person is just that, > pointless. > > Items approved by the board, were "sold" to the board by a member of > > the > > board to the other members of the board, showing how approving that > > item > > would benefit the club member's experience, with the underlying > > financial > > implications outlined that would strengthen the clubs long term > > financial > > health. > > Constructive criticism is just that: criticism presented in a > > constructive > > manner, with negative comments of a personal nature irrelevant and > > therefore non-constructive. > > I for one think the new POCA board is doing a fantastic job, and to > > think > > they are doing their job for free. What a deal... > > By the way, if someone feels they want to get personal with their > > comments, > > take it out on me. I deserve it for letting 6831 sit idle with a > blown > > header gasket for years. > > Peace, fellow "cat" owners. > > Dick Koch - Atlanta > > Still one of the few remaining original Pantera owners still lucky > > enough > > to be on the sunny side of the grass. > >> On May 29, 2016 2:12 AM, "Ed Mendez" <[5]edducati(a)mac.com> wrote: > >> See below. > >> > >>> On 28/05/2016, at 11:53, Rod Kunishige <[6]rkunishige(a)hotmail.com> > > wrote: > >>> > >>> It is interesting that this President changed a generous grace > > period > >>> without notice. > >> > >> False it's in the bylaws and has been for some time now. Warning at > > 30 > >> days, at 60 days the membership expires, check the Fiat club, > Ferrari > > club, > >> Porsche club, they all have similar rules. > >>> > >>> The so-called "shortfall" is created in part by the $10 increased > >>> rebate to the chapters that was NOT requested in the first place. > > The > >>> return of this sum places the club at nearly breakeven. Simply, > > use > >>> the money to pay for our publication costs. > >> False - check your facts, the rebate was welcome by the majority > > chapter > >> presidents. > >> > >>> PROPOSED: $75 dues less $15 to chapters yields $60 to fund the > > $62.52 > >>> publication estimate per MS. > >> > >> That is true, and that is why we are trying to get competitive > quotes > > for > >> printing to try and save money. MS found a printer that is $8000 per > > year > >> cheaper than the one we are currently using. > >>> > >>> Our $100,000 reserve would easily fund the $2.52 per year. > > Carrying > >>> 853 members at $2.52 is $2,149.56 per year. Divide that into > > 100,000 > >>> means funding covers 46.5 YEARS. > >> False - check your facts, most non profits have two year reserve in > > the > >> bank, the Ferrari and Porsche clubs have $1,000,000 each in reserve. > > You > >> can google there income statements. > >> > >> > >>> OPINION: > >>> > >>> I do recognize that Mr. Shortt controls the Board by a 5 to 4 vote > > but > >>> there I think that this is a better solution than what MS has > >>> proposed. Finally, kudos goes to him for at least publishing the > >>> actions he intends to take so we may make positive suggestions for > >> > >> False, if you look at the meeting minutes of the BOD, most things we > > have > >> coated on have been either unanimous vote or close to it, in fact > > there > >> very few times it was 5-4. Again we vote in the best interest of the > > club > >> > >> This forum is supposed to be about DeTomaso, hence the name; and > > should > >> not be used for POCA bashing, it really makes us all look bad. If > you > > have > >> an issue talk with someone about your concern, preferably your > > chapter > >> president, they are your representative as in any organization. It's > > very > >> easy to simply pick up the phone instead of using this email list as > > a > >> podium for your disdain of MS. It's obvious, we get it. Please take > > it > >> offline. > >> > >> If you think you can do a better job than volunteer as I did, and > > many > >> others before me, and run for office. > >> > >> Kind regards > >> > >>> (Information taken from the Presidents Blog.) > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> > >>> > >>> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > >>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > >>> DeTomaso mailing list > >>> [7]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > >>> [8]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > >>> > >>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > > etc.) > >> use the links above. > >>> > >>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward > > any > >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > > list. > >> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or > > approve > >> the archiving of list messages. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> > >> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > >> DeTomaso mailing list > >> [9]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > >> [10]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > >> > >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > etc.) > > use > >> the links above. > >> > >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward > > any > >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > > list. > >> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or > > approve > >> the archiving of list messages. > > Ed, thanks for the clarification of the misinformation and > > non-productive comments that have been made in recent weeks, many > > very > > personal and vindictive, and quite frankly detrimental to the club. > > It is good to have different points of view on club business. But to > > present one's point of view in a negative and personalA manner, > > does > > nothing but diminish that person's potentially valued point, and > > their > > persona in the eyes of others. > > From some of the comments made, it appears obvious to me that many > > of > > the detractors do not have much experience in running a business. > > And > > make no mistake POCA is a business, albeit a non-profit one. To > > thrive, > > this club must not stand on it's laurels, but continue to enhance > > it's > > value add to it's customers. > > As far as looking at the printer used for the production of the > > newsletter, for the board to not look for less expensive options, as > > with any other expense, with better offerings, is irresponsible. > > I can only wonder what is going on behind the scenes that would have > > folks want to stay with a service provider that is noncompetitive > > and > > provides less for much more money.A We have enough cronyism in our > > government. Hopefully that is not the case here, and there has been > > a > > reason for keeping a more expensive service that provides less. > > I won't bother to comment on the absurdity of continuing to mail the > > newsletter, that can be printed by anyoneA that is not to lazy to > > take > > 3 minutes to print it, since that may be construed as negative. > > As regards to a point Ed stated, the club is not run by one person.A > > Each person on the board has a say, with a majority required to > > decide > > on every issue. Pointing ones frustration at one person is just > > that, > > pointless. > > Items approved by the board, were "sold" to the board by a member of > > the board to the other members of the board, showing how approving > > that > > item would benefit the club member's experience, with the underlying > > financial implications outlined that would strengthen the clubs long > > term financial health. > > Constructive criticism is just that: criticism presented in a > > constructive manner, with negative comments of a personal nature > > irrelevant and therefore non-constructive. > > I for one think the new POCA board is doing a fantastic job, and to > > think they are doing their job for free. What a deal... > > By the way, if someone feels they want to get personal with their > > comments, take it out on me.A I deserve it for letting 6831 sit > > idle > > with a blown header gasket for years. > > Peace, fellow "cat" owners. > > Dick Koch - Atlanta > > Still one of the few remaining original Pantera owners still lucky > > enough to be on the sunny side of the grass. > >> On May 29, 2016 2:12 AM, "Ed Mendez" <[1][11]edducati(a)mac.com> > wrote: > >> See below. > >> On 28/05/2016, at 11:53, Rod Kunishige > > <[2][12]rkunishige(a)hotmail.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> A It is interesting that this President changed a generous grace > > period > >> A without notice. > > False it's in the bylaws and has been for some time now. Warning > > at > > 30 days, at 60 days the membership expires, check the Fiat club, > > Ferrari club, Porsche club, they all have similar rules. > >> > >> A The so-called "shortfall" is created in part by the $10 > > increased > >> A rebate to the chapters that was NOT requested in the first > > place.A The > >> A return of this sum places the club at nearly breakeven.A > > Simply, use > >> A the money to pay for our publication costs. > > False - check your facts, the rebate was welcome by the majority > > chapter presidents. > >> A PROPOSED:A $75 dues less $15 to chapters yields $60 to fund > > the > > $62.52 > >> A publication estimate per MS. > > That is true, and that is why we are trying to get competitive > > quotes for printing to try and save money. MS found a printer that > > is $8000 per year cheaper than the one we are currently using. > >> > >> A Our $100,000 reserve would easily fund the $2.52 per year.A > > Carrying > >> A 853 members at $2.52 is $2,149.56 per year.A Divide that into > > 100,000 > >> A means funding covers 46.5 YEARS. > > False - check your facts, most non profits have two year reserve > > in > > the bank, the Ferrari and Porsche clubs have $1,000,000 each in > > reserve. You can google there income statements. > >> A OPINION: > >> > >> A I do recognize that Mr. Shortt controls the Board by a 5 to 4 > > vote but > >> A there I think that this is a better solution than what MS has > >> A proposed.A Finally, kudos goes to him for at least publishing > > the > >> A actions he intends to take so we may make positive suggestions > > for > > False, if you look at the meeting minutes of the BOD, most things > > we > > have coated on have been either unanimous vote or close to it, in > > fact there very few times it was 5-4. Again we vote in the best > > interest of the club > > This forum is supposed to be about DeTomaso, hence the name; and > > should not be used for POCA bashing, it really makes us all look > > bad. If you have an issue talk with someone about your concern, > > preferably your chapter president, they are your representative as > > in any organization. It's very easy to simply pick up the phone > > instead of using this email list as a podium for your disdain of > > MS. > > It's obvious, we get it. Please take it offline. > > If you think you can do a better job than volunteer as I did, and > > many others before me, and run for office. > > Kind regards > >> A (Information taken from the Presidents Blog.) > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> > >> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > >> DeTomaso mailing list > >> [3][13]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > >> [4][14]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > >> > >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > > etc.) use the links above. > >> > >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to > > forward > > any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of > > the list. 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[21]mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > > 6. [22]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > > DeTomaso mailing list > > [23]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > > [24]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > > use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward > any > > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > > list. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive > or approve the archiving of list messages. > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [27]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > [28]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive > or approve the archiving of list messages. > > References > > 1. [4]mailto:marshallgsmith@sbcglobal.net > 2. [5]mailto:redcatman74@gmail.com > 3. [6]mailto:edducati@mac.com > 4. [7]mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 5. [8]mailto:edducati@mac.com > 6. [9]mailto:rkunishige@hotmail.com > 7. 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[28]mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 26. [29]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > 27. [30]mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 28. [31]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > [32]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. 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