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Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
by Jim Gray 08 Jun '16

08 Jun '16

Remember. Texas is just Baja Oklahoma. Jim "putting on fire suit" Gray -----Original Message----- From: Dave Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 7:21 PM To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum Y'awl 'd be talkin' Oklahoma there...... On 6/7/2016 11:23 AM, Larry - Ohio Time wrote: > << outlaw territory >> > > Kinda like Texas in the "Cloud" > > Larry (I'm in) - Cleveland > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf > Of cengles(a)cox.net > Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 1:58 PM > To: dave(a)damardirect.com > Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com; msm(a)portata.com; > rkunishige(a)hotmail.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum > > Dear Dave: Exactly and precisely. His empire does not extend to this > outlaw territory. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Dave wrote: > >> So Short's threats of censorship have no relevance to this group, >> correct? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dave Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 1:50 PM >> To: 'Charles McCall'; msm(a)portata.com; scottcouchman(a)yahoo.com; 'Rod >> Kunishige' >> Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum >> >> Thank you! >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Charles McCall [mailto:charlesmccall@gmail.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 1:42 PM >> To: Dave; msm(a)portata.com; scottcouchman(a)yahoo.com; 'Rod Kunishige' >> Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum >> >> True on both counts. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On >> Behalf Of Dave >> Sent: martes, 7 de junio de 2016 19:17 >> To: msm(a)portata.com; scottcouchman(a)yahoo.com; Rod Kunishige >> Cc: <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum >> >> Can someone enlighten me, please? >> I am/was under the impression this email list or forum was rescued >> from being dissolved by Kurt. (thank you Kurt) I was also under the >> impression this site was not part of or controlled by POCA.. >> Is this true? >> Thanks >> IndyDave >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: msm(a)portata.com [mailto:msm@portata.com] >> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 8:53 PM >> To: scottcouchman(a)yahoo.com; Rod Kunishige >> Cc: <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum >> >> Rod -- you are always welcome here. Thank you for your many years of >> contributions to POCA and the greater DeTomaso community. >> >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "Scott Couchman via DeTomaso" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> >> To: "Rod Kunishige" <rkunishige(a)hotmail.com> >> Cc: "<detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com>" >> <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> >> Sent: 6/6/2016 5:30:27 PM >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum >> >>> "You seem to be someone bound and determined to stir up trouble, up >>> until now, I have tried to remain quiet, in your last diatribe, I >>> think it was "until Michael Shortt stops messing with me" or >>> something to that effect, you would stop having these fits of verbal >>> and textual diarrhea. >>> >>> Frankly, I haven't given you another thought, you simply are not part >>> of any equation on my worksheet. >>> >>> You simply are a waste of my time which could be better used for >>> something to benefit the membership instead of dealing with what >>> seems to be a clinically depressed, anti social personality type >>> addicted to drama. >>> >>> That's changed, at the next BOD meeting I will be seeking to censure >>> you as a member for violating our policies, for sharing BOD working >>> emails and for not working within channels. I believe in an earlier >>> email, Ed made the process very clear, go through your Chapter >>> President or contact one of us directly, instead of posting your >>> failures and inability to comprehend structure and civility. >>> >>> If you make another very poor decision to continue these actions, I >>> will seek a second censure in 30 days and ask to remove you from this >>> club. >>> >>> I am not the only one tried of your behavior, there are enough votes >>> now in place to secure both outcomes. >>> >>> This is the last time that I will ask you to become a team player and >>> use your energies to help make POCA a better club instead of trying >>> to destroy it from within. >>> >>> Michael Shortt >>> President >>> POCA" >>> >>> Wow! Really? I thought this was a car club? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Jun 6, 2016, at 8:42 AM, Rod Kunishige <rkunishige(a)hotmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Am I to be removed from the POCA? >>>> Rod >>>> >>>> From: michaelsavga(a)gmail.com >>>> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 09:34:45 -0400 >>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum >>>> To: rkunishige(a)hotmail.com >>>> CC: jpoca2(a)hotmail.com; JDeRyke(a)aol.com; MBGlobalSc(a)aol.com; >>>> jb841(a)cox.net; RREIDCPA(a)aol.com; paso750(a)gmail.com; >>>> qrtlow(a)gmail.com; edducati(a)mac.com >>>> >>>> >>>> Mr. Kunishige, >>>> >>>> It appears the theme of a nicer, more friendly, and organized POCA >>>> which operates through channels escapes you. >>>> >>>> It also appears a sitting BOD member is sharing BOD ONLY emails >>>> with you, that member should know that >>>> when I find them out, I will put forth a motion to censure them for >>>> violating BOD policy. >>>> >>>> Since you are not an elected member of the BOD, you are not >>>> entitled to our work emails, discussions or methodologies >>>> used to arrive at how we do business, once formatted, discussed >>>> amongst ourselves, these same issues >>>> are put forth in an agenda, discussed during an Open BOD meeting >>>> where all members can hear how we take care of business. >>>> I think with the exception of the last 3 minutes of the last BOD >>>> meeting, it was an excellent example of how civil discourse >>>> can happen even between people with disparate points of view. >>>> >>>> It is called a process, nothing happens by itself, I think the last >>>> 10 years of POCA pretty much proves that point. >>>> >>>> In regard to your past, an inability to maintain a job or to >>>> operate a business successfully relates to our situation how? >>>> While owning a toy store would be a dream for somebody like me, >>>> everybody knows that 4 out of 5 new businesses fail in the first >>>> year >>>> and of those, 4 out of 5 will never see a fifth year, so your >>>> chance of still operating a toy store for five years was only 10% at >>>> best. >>>> Here is why most new businesses fail. >>>> >>>> 1 Incompetence >>>> 46 % >>>> Emotional Pricing >>>> >>>> Living too high for the business >>>> >>>> Nonpayment of taxes >>>> >>>> No knowledge of pricing >>>> >>>> Lack of planning >>>> >>>> No knowledge of financing >>>> >>>> No experience in record-keeping >>>> 2 Unbalanced Experience or Lack of Managerial Experience >>>> 30 % >>>> Poor credit granting practices >>>> >>>> Expansion too rapid >>>> >>>> Inadequate borrowing practices >>>> 3 Lack of Experiences in line of goods or services >>>> 11 % >>>> Carry inadequate inventory >>>> >>>> No knowledge of suppliers >>>> >>>> Wasted advertising budget >>>> 5 Neglect, fraud, disaster >>>> 1 % >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Nobody judges you, we have all had failures, if you don't try, >>>> that's the biggest failure of all. >>>> >>>> You seem to be someone bound and determined to stir up trouble, up >>>> until now, I have tried to >>>> remain quiet, in your last diatribe, I think it was "until Michael >>>> Shortt stops messing with me" or something to that effect, >>>> you would stop having these fits of verbal and textual diarrhea. >>>> >>>> Frankly, I haven't given you another thought, you simply are not >>>> part of any equation on my worksheet. >>>> >>>> You simply are a waste of my time which could be better used for >>>> something to benefit the membership instead of dealing >>>> with what seems to be a clinically depressed, anti social >>>> personality type addicted to drama. >>>> >>>> That's changed, at the next BOD meeting I will be seeking to >>>> censure you as a member for violating our policies, for sharing >>>> BOD working emails and for not working within channels. I believe >>>> in an earlier email, Ed made the process very clear, >>>> go through your Chapter President or contact one of us directly, >>>> instead of posting your failures and inability to comprehend >>>> structure and civility. >>>> >>>> If you make another very poor decision to continue these actions, I >>>> will seek a second censure in 30 days and ask to remove >>>> you from this club. >>>> >>>> I am not the only one tried of your behavior, there are enough >>>> votes now in place to secure both outcomes. >>>> >>>> This is the last time that I will ask you to become a team player >>>> and use your energies to help make POCA a better club instead >>>> of trying to destroy it from within. >>>> >>>> Michael Shortt >>>> President >>>> POCA >>>> >>>> This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy >>>> Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally >>>> privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby >>>> notified >>>> that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this >>>> communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender >>>> that you >>>> have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 6:22 AM, Ed Mendez <edducati(a)mac.com> wrote: >>>> What part of "the email list should not be used to discuss POCA >>>> business", "bring your grievances to your chapter president", and >>>> "take it offline" did you not understand? >>>> >>>> By you copying members and non members of POCA on this email list >>>> with your grievances, and personal issues with Michael Shortt; you >>>> are placing the whole club in a negative light. This is adversely >>>> effecting the clubs ability to recruit new members. >>>> >>>> Copying the BOD. >>>> >>>> Kind regards, >>>> >>>> Ed >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 6/06/2016, at 10:11, Rod Kunishige <rkunishige(a)hotmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> Ed Menedez, >>>>> >>>>> You say that facts are clearly important to you. >>>>> >>>>> So, let me quote you some snippets taken directly from MS May 16, >>>> 2016 >>>>> email Subject: Newsletter and Profiles printing/design >>>> henceforth: >>>>> O/ Meanwhile, as a part of this change will also come full >>>> color >>>>> printing on all pages in both the Newsletter / Profiles, a new >>>> printer, >>>>> and mailing partner. >>>>> >>>>> O/ The existing printer will not print anything else for >>>> POCA >>>>> after the June newsletter. >>>>> >>>>> O/ Your new printing partner is PrintingCenterUSA, >>>>> >>>>> O/ effective immediately we will begin to adopt layout >>>>> designs/templa tes which will dedicate 20% of the total space to >>>>> advertising content display. >>>>> the Newsletter needs to be 32 total pages each month, 5 pages in >>>> total >>>>> space needs to be evenly distributed in 1/8 page, 1/4, 1/3. & 1/2 >>>> page >>>>> horitzontal ads and 1/2 page vertical ads plus a full page ad. >>>>> >>>>> O/ You will need to coordinate with Ed with proofs so that >>>> he will >>>>> have the final say on ad placement before adthing is printed. >>>>> >>>>> O/ The vendor listings are to be removed. They will have to >>>> buy >>>>> ads to reach our memb ers. >>>>> >>>>> O/ We also need to use ONLY the newly revised/cleaned up >>>> POCA Road >>>>> Script and POCA crest. >>>>> >>>>> Completely detailed specifications are also set as fixed space >>>>> allocations for both pubs without consideration for content >>>>> adjustments. >>>>> >>>>> My view is that these are clearly directives not suggestions to >>>>> consider to fellow POCA Board Members. >>>>> >>>>> Ed, should you wish to challenge these facts, Ill be most pleased >>>> to >>>>> publish the email in its entirety so everyone may view it within >>>> its >>>>> full context. >>>>> NOTE: There seems to be a need to know the qualifications of the >>>>> writers who post here. So, let me explain that my career of 35 >>>> years >>>>> was in Information Technology ending as VP of IT. I also owned >>>> and >>>>> operated a mailing house directing publications in the SF Bay >>>> Area for >>>>> 4 years and owned and operated a 9,000 sq ft independent Toy >>>> Store for >>>>> 5 years. Hope this helps the readers who wish to know my >>>> background. I >>>>> LOVE this club and vendors. Its members have helped me >>>> throughout the >>>>> decades. >>>>> Rod >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA >>>>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >>>>> DeTomaso mailing list >>>>> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>>>> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>>>> >>>>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, >>>> etc.) use the links above. >>>>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward >>>> any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of >>>> the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an >>>> archive or approve the archiving of list messages. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Michael L. Shortt >>>> Savannah, Georgia >>>> www.michaelshortt.com >>>> michael(a)michaelshortt.com >>>> 912-232-9390 >>>> >>>> >>>> This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy >>>> Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally >>>> privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby >>>> notified >>>> that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this >>>> communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender >>>> that you >>>> have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed >> 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) >> use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the >> list. 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Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
by cengles＠cox.net 08 Jun '16

08 Jun '16

Dear Dave: Exactly and precisely. His empire does not extend to this outlaw territory. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Dave wrote: > So Short's threats of censorship have no relevance to this group, > correct? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 1:50 PM > To: 'Charles McCall'; msm(a)portata.com; scottcouchman(a)yahoo.com; 'Rod > Kunishige' > Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum > > Thank you! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles McCall [mailto:charlesmccall@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 1:42 PM > To: Dave; msm(a)portata.com; scottcouchman(a)yahoo.com; 'Rod Kunishige' > Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum > > True on both counts. > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On > Behalf Of Dave > Sent: martes, 7 de junio de 2016 19:17 > To: msm(a)portata.com; scottcouchman(a)yahoo.com; Rod Kunishige > Cc: <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum > > Can someone enlighten me, please? > I am/was under the impression this email list or forum was rescued > from being dissolved by Kurt. (thank you Kurt) I was also under the > impression this site was not part of or controlled by POCA.. > Is this true? > Thanks > IndyDave > > -----Original Message----- > From: msm(a)portata.com [mailto:msm@portata.com] > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 8:53 PM > To: scottcouchman(a)yahoo.com; Rod Kunishige > Cc: <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum > > Rod -- you are always welcome here. Thank you for your many years of > contributions to POCA and the greater DeTomaso community. > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Scott Couchman via DeTomaso" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > To: "Rod Kunishige" <rkunishige(a)hotmail.com> > Cc: "<detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com>" > <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > Sent: 6/6/2016 5:30:27 PM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum > >> "You seem to be someone bound and determined to stir up trouble, up >> until now, I have tried to remain quiet, in your last diatribe, I >> think it was "until Michael Shortt stops messing with me" or >> something to that effect, you would stop having these fits of verbal >> and textual diarrhea. >> >> Frankly, I haven't given you another thought, you simply are not part >> of any equation on my worksheet. >> >> You simply are a waste of my time which could be better used for >> something to benefit the membership instead of dealing with what >> seems to be a clinically depressed, anti social personality type >> addicted to drama. >> >> That's changed, at the next BOD meeting I will be seeking to censure >> you as a member for violating our policies, for sharing BOD working >> emails and for not working within channels. I believe in an earlier >> email, Ed made the process very clear, go through your Chapter >> President or contact one of us directly, instead of posting your >> failures and inability to comprehend structure and civility. >> >> If you make another very poor decision to continue these actions, I >> will seek a second censure in 30 days and ask to remove you from this >> club. >> >> I am not the only one tried of your behavior, there are enough votes >> now in place to secure both outcomes. >> >> This is the last time that I will ask you to become a team player and >> use your energies to help make POCA a better club instead of trying >> to destroy it from within. >> >> Michael Shortt >> President >> POCA" >> >> Wow! Really? I thought this was a car club? >> >> >> >> >>> On Jun 6, 2016, at 8:42 AM, Rod Kunishige <rkunishige(a)hotmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Am I to be removed from the POCA? >>> Rod >>> >>> From: michaelsavga(a)gmail.com >>> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 09:34:45 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum >>> To: rkunishige(a)hotmail.com >>> CC: jpoca2(a)hotmail.com; JDeRyke(a)aol.com; MBGlobalSc(a)aol.com; >>> jb841(a)cox.net; RREIDCPA(a)aol.com; paso750(a)gmail.com; >>> qrtlow(a)gmail.com; edducati(a)mac.com >>> >>> >>> Mr. Kunishige, >>> >>> It appears the theme of a nicer, more friendly, and organized POCA >>> which operates through channels escapes you. >>> >>> It also appears a sitting BOD member is sharing BOD ONLY emails >>> with you, that member should know that >>> when I find them out, I will put forth a motion to censure them for >>> violating BOD policy. >>> >>> Since you are not an elected member of the BOD, you are not >>> entitled to our work emails, discussions or methodologies >>> used to arrive at how we do business, once formatted, discussed >>> amongst ourselves, these same issues >>> are put forth in an agenda, discussed during an Open BOD meeting >>> where all members can hear how we take care of business. >>> I think with the exception of the last 3 minutes of the last BOD >>> meeting, it was an excellent example of how civil discourse >>> can happen even between people with disparate points of view. >>> >>> It is called a process, nothing happens by itself, I think the last >>> 10 years of POCA pretty much proves that point. >>> >>> In regard to your past, an inability to maintain a job or to >>> operate a business successfully relates to our situation how? >>> While owning a toy store would be a dream for somebody like me, >>> everybody knows that 4 out of 5 new businesses fail in the first >>> year >>> and of those, 4 out of 5 will never see a fifth year, so your >>> chance of still operating a toy store for five years was only 10% at >>> best. >>> Here is why most new businesses fail. >>> >>> 1 Incompetence >>> 46 % >>> Emotional Pricing >>> >>> Living too high for the business >>> >>> Nonpayment of taxes >>> >>> No knowledge of pricing >>> >>> Lack of planning >>> >>> No knowledge of financing >>> >>> No experience in record-keeping >>> 2 Unbalanced Experience or Lack of Managerial Experience >>> 30 % >>> Poor credit granting practices >>> >>> Expansion too rapid >>> >>> Inadequate borrowing practices >>> 3 Lack of Experiences in line of goods or services >>> 11 % >>> Carry inadequate inventory >>> >>> No knowledge of suppliers >>> >>> Wasted advertising budget >>> 5 Neglect, fraud, disaster >>> 1 % >>> >>> >>> >>> Nobody judges you, we have all had failures, if you don't try, >>> that's the biggest failure of all. >>> >>> You seem to be someone bound and determined to stir up trouble, up >>> until now, I have tried to >>> remain quiet, in your last diatribe, I think it was "until Michael >>> Shortt stops messing with me" or something to that effect, >>> you would stop having these fits of verbal and textual diarrhea. >>> >>> Frankly, I haven't given you another thought, you simply are not >>> part of any equation on my worksheet. >>> >>> You simply are a waste of my time which could be better used for >>> something to benefit the membership instead of dealing >>> with what seems to be a clinically depressed, anti social >>> personality type addicted to drama. >>> >>> That's changed, at the next BOD meeting I will be seeking to >>> censure you as a member for violating our policies, for sharing >>> BOD working emails and for not working within channels. I believe >>> in an earlier email, Ed made the process very clear, >>> go through your Chapter President or contact one of us directly, >>> instead of posting your failures and inability to comprehend >>> structure and civility. >>> >>> If you make another very poor decision to continue these actions, I >>> will seek a second censure in 30 days and ask to remove >>> you from this club. >>> >>> I am not the only one tried of your behavior, there are enough >>> votes now in place to secure both outcomes. >>> >>> This is the last time that I will ask you to become a team player >>> and use your energies to help make POCA a better club instead >>> of trying to destroy it from within. >>> >>> Michael Shortt >>> President >>> POCA >>> >>> This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy >>> Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally >>> privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby >>> notified >>> that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this >>> communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender >>> that you >>> have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 6:22 AM, Ed Mendez <edducati(a)mac.com> wrote: >>> What part of “the email list should not be used to discuss POCA >>> business”, "bring your grievances to your chapter president”, and >>> “take it offline” did you not understand? >>> >>> By you copying members and non members of POCA on this email list >>> with your grievances, and personal issues with Michael Shortt; you >>> are placing the whole club in a negative light. This is adversely >>> effecting the clubs ability to recruit new members. >>> >>> Copying the BOD. >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> >>> Ed >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 6/06/2016, at 10:11, Rod Kunishige <rkunishige(a)hotmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Ed Menedez, >>>> >>>> You say that facts are clearly important to you. >>>> >>>> So, let me quote you some snippets taken directly from MS May 16, >>> 2016 >>>> email Subject: Newsletter and Profiles printing/design >>> henceforth: >>>> >>>> O/ Meanwhile, as a part of this change will also come full >>> color >>>> printing on all pages in both the Newsletter / Profiles, a new >>> printer, >>>> and mailing partner. >>>> >>>> O/ The existing printer will not print anything else for >>> POCA >>>> after the June newsletter. >>>> >>>> O/ Your new printing partner is PrintingCenterUSA, >>>> >>>> O/ effective immediately we will begin to adopt layout >>>> designs/templa tes which will dedicate 20% of the total space to >>>> advertising content display. >>>> the Newsletter needs to be 32 total pages each month, 5 pages in >>> total >>>> space needs to be evenly distributed in 1/8 page, 1/4, 1/3. & 1/2 >>> page >>>> horitzontal ads and 1/2 page vertical ads plus a full page ad. >>>> >>>> O/ You will need to coordinate with Ed with proofs so that >>> he will >>>> have the final say on ad placement before adthing is printed. >>>> >>>> O/ The vendor listings are to be removed. They will have to >>> buy >>>> ads to reach our memb ers. >>>> >>>> O/ We also need to use ONLY the newly revised/cleaned up >>> POCA Road >>>> Script and POCA crest. >>>> >>>> Completely detailed specifications are also set as fixed space >>>> allocations for both pubs without consideration for content >>>> adjustments. >>>> >>>> My view is that these are clearly directives not suggestions to >>>> consider to fellow POCA Board Members. >>>> >>>> Ed, should you wish to challenge these facts, Ill be most pleased >>> to >>>> publish the email in its entirety so everyone may view it within >>> its >>>> full context. >>>> NOTE: There seems to be a need to know the qualifications of the >>>> writers who post here. So, let me explain that my career of 35 >>> years >>>> was in Information Technology ending as VP of IT. I also owned >>> and >>>> operated a mailing house directing publications in the SF Bay >>> Area for >>>> 4 years and owned and operated a 9,000 sq ft independent Toy >>> Store for >>>> 5 years. Hope this helps the readers who wish to know my >>> background. I >>>> LOVE this club and vendors. Its members have helped me >>> throughout the >>>> decades. >>>> Rod >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> >>>> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA >>>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >>>> DeTomaso mailing list >>>> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>>> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>>> >>>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, >>> etc.) use the links above. >>>> >>>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward >>> any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of >>> the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an >>> archive or approve the archiving of list messages. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Michael L. Shortt >>> Savannah, Georgia >>> www.michaelshortt.com >>> michael(a)michaelshortt.com >>> 912-232-9390 >>> >>> >>> This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy >>> Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally >>> privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby >>> notified >>> that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this >>> communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender >>> that you >>> have received this message in error, then delete it. 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Re: [DeTomaso] Shout out
by Tomas Gunnarsson 07 Jun '16

07 Jun '16

Just measure the thread size of the old switch, I find it unlikely that it's unique to the Pantera. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: thomas [thomas(a)hax.se] Sent: 7/6/2016 9:59:11 PM To: forestg(a)att.net Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Shout out The shuttle valve looks very similar to late 1960:s early 1970:s Volvo. However they did not have a hydraulic switch. Many European cars of the era had switches that look very similar. Earlier single circuit Volvos, VW, Saab could be potential donors. What about: http://www.napaonline.com/napa/en/search/?text=Brake+light+switch Thomas > 7 juni 2016 kl. 21:36 skrev Forest Goodhart <forestg(a)att.net>: > > Tom, > > I've never found a brake light switch anywhere other than a Pantera > vendor. I have tried NAPA and other parts stores but without luck. If > the source of the shuttle valve could be determined you might then be > able to source one. > > Forest > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: Tom Shinrock via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 10:41 AM > Subject: [DeTomaso] Shout out > All, > I drove my Pantera from Iowa to St. Charles, IL to attend the Great > Lakes Pantera chapter's Spring Fling. I've attended all of these > since > the first one three years ago. As usual, it was good to see old > friends and meet new ones. I believe Jon Haas has attended all of > these events to showcase his electronic products designed for the > Pantera. > It is always enjoyable to talk to Jon and see him demonstrate his > stuff. > This year it was fortuitous for me to have Jon attend because for the > first time in 30 years I had car trouble. The car ran great on the > drive to St. Charles and it ran with no problems to the cars and > coffee > event we attended on Saturday morning. Come Sunday morning when we > are > getting ready to leave the hotel for breakfast, my car wouldn't stay > running. It started immediately and then died. Lots of cranking > followed with no start. > Dave Doddek (GLP chapter president) immediately came to my aid to > diagnose the problem, as he is prone to do. He pulled a plug wire > and > determined there was no spark. He checked for moisture in the > distributor cap (there was none), he checked for loose connections on > the firewall (there were none) he looked at the fuse box for > anything > out of the ordinary (there wasn't). By this time Jon joined in the > investigation (after all....I was holding everybody up to go to > breakfast). > During Dave and Jon's troubleshooting, I was able to start the car a > couple of times but then it wouldn't start afterwards. Dave had > mentioned that the terminal block under the steering wheel column can > cause problems and after looking at it, it was determined that that > was > the source of my intermittent ignition problem. My terminal block > was > corroded so bad that the screws holding the wires could not be > turned. > Jon said he usually carries that terminal block with him but he left > in > such a hurry for the event he didn't pack any. He then proceeded to > make a field repair using a combination of a smaller connector and > spade connectors to connect the wires without the terminal block so I > could drive the four hours home. > As you are all aware, working under the steering column with the seat > in is not very comfortable and there is not much room to work with > the > short length of wire. Jon spent at least 30 to 40 minutes on his > back > fixing my car, which worked perfectly after he was done and got me > home > without incident. > The help and assistance offered by Dave and Jon were greatly > appreciated by me and demonstrate why I love being a part of the > Pantera family. > Oh...and by the way. Jon also diagnosed that my brake switch on the > shuttle valve was the reason my brake lights didn't work (as I found > out driving to the cars and coffee) by another Pantera owner driving > behind me. Is this switch special to the point I need to get it from > an vendor or is it a common NAPA part? > Tom > 5186 > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [1]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > [2]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive > or approve the archiving of list messages. > > References > > 1. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 2. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > > !DSPAM:5757223b106691209923907! > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > > !DSPAM:5757223b106691209923907! Just measure the thread size of the old switch, I find it unlikely that it's unique to the Pantera. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: thomas [thomas(a)hax.se] Sent: 7/6/2016 9:59:11 PM To: forestg(a)att.net Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Shout out The shuttle valve looks very similar to late 1960:s early 1970:s Volvo. However they did not have a hydraulic switch. Many European cars of the era had switches that look very similar. Earlier single circuit Volvos, VW, Saab could be potential donors. What about: http://www.napaonline.com/napa/en/search/?text=Brake+light+switch Thomas > 7 juni 2016 kl. 21:36 skrev Forest Goodhart <forestg(a)att.net>: > > Tom, > > I've never found a brake light switch anywhere other than a Pantera > vendor. I have tried NAPA and other parts stores but without luck. If > the source of the shuttle valve could be determined you might then be > able to source one. > > Forest > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: Tom Shinrock via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 10:41 AM > Subject: [DeTomaso] Shout out > All, > I drove my Pantera from Iowa to St. Charles, IL to attend the Great > Lakes Pantera chapter's Spring Fling. I've attended all of these > since > the first one three years ago. As usual, it was good to see old > friends and meet new ones. I believe Jon Haas has attended all of > these events to showcase his electronic products designed for the > Pantera. > It is always enjoyable to talk to Jon and see him demonstrate his > stuff. > This year it was fortuitous for me to have Jon attend because for the > first time in 30 years I had car trouble. The car ran great on the > drive to St. Charles and it ran with no problems to the cars and > coffee > event we attended on Saturday morning. Come Sunday morning when we > are > getting ready to leave the hotel for breakfast, my car wouldn't stay > running. It started immediately and then died. Lots of cranking > followed with no start. > Dave Doddek (GLP chapter president) immediately came to my aid to > diagnose the problem, as he is prone to do. He pulled a plug wire > and > determined there was no spark. He checked for moisture in the > distributor cap (there was none), he checked for loose connections on > the firewall (there were none) he looked at the fuse box for > anything > out of the ordinary (there wasn't). By this time Jon joined in the > investigation (after all....I was holding everybody up to go to > breakfast). > During Dave and Jon's troubleshooting, I was able to start the car a > couple of times but then it wouldn't start afterwards. Dave had > mentioned that the terminal block under the steering wheel column can > cause problems and after looking at it, it was determined that that > was > the source of my intermittent ignition problem. My terminal block > was > corroded so bad that the screws holding the wires could not be > turned. > Jon said he usually carries that terminal block with him but he left > in > such a hurry for the event he didn't pack any. He then proceeded to > make a field repair using a combination of a smaller connector and > spade connectors to connect the wires without the terminal block so I > could drive the four hours home. > As you are all aware, working under the steering column with the seat > in is not very comfortable and there is not much room to work with > the > short length of wire. Jon spent at least 30 to 40 minutes on his > back > fixing my car, which worked perfectly after he was done and got me > home > without incident. > The help and assistance offered by Dave and Jon were greatly > appreciated by me and demonstrate why I love being a part of the > Pantera family. > Oh...and by the way. Jon also diagnosed that my brake switch on the > shuttle valve was the reason my brake lights didn't work (as I found > out driving to the cars and coffee) by another Pantera owner driving > behind me. Is this switch special to the point I need to get it from > an vendor or is it a common NAPA part? > Tom > 5186 > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [1]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > [2]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive > or approve the archiving of list messages. > > References > > 1. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 2. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > > !DSPAM:5757223b106691209923907! > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > > !DSPAM:5757223b106691209923907!

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Bad-ass Mangusta for sale in Sweden
by MikeLDrew＠aol.com 07 Jun '16

07 Jun '16

Hi guys, A very sorted and likely heavily modified Mangusta with a very successful club race history is now for sale in Sweden, 8MA950. Here are a couple of short videos. That motor sounds pretty nasty! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovwt3F14mlU If you ever wanted a Mangusta that ran and drove like a Pantera (that is to say, much better), this might be it! Let me know if you're interested and I'll put you in touch with the seller. He doesn't want a bunch of tire-kickers, serious buyers only. I don't know the asking price? Mike Hi guys, A very sorted and likely heavily modified Mangusta with a very successful club race history is now for sale in Sweden, 8MA950. Here are a couple of short videos. That motor sounds pretty nasty! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovwt3F14mlU If you ever wanted a Mangusta that ran and drove like a Pantera (that is to say, much better), this might be it! Let me know if you're interested and I'll put you in touch with the seller. He doesn't want a bunch of tire-kickers, serious buyers only. I don't know the asking price? Mike

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NPC: POCA business on this forum
by Asa Jay Laughton 07 Jun '16

07 Jun '16

Pretty much correct yes, and I would expect this kind of thing might die down soon. Although this email forum is not controlled by POCA, there are some members who frequent it. Some of those members are long standing contributing people who have been in POCA and a Pantera owner for decades. Some of them have even been past Board members. And unfortunately some of them are not being made to feel as welcome in the club they helped build anymore. Because of this, they are expressing frustration at what appears to be maligning statements directed at them (and at others about them) for barely comprehensible reasons. Since those kinds of communications and forum postings are banned within POCA, these individuals are expressing their confusion and disappointment by highlighting here, the trouble being experienced there. Unfortunately this email forum is their only other outlet to reach others and try to highlight what they (and potentially others) may feel are injustices being served upon them and others. Most of the time they don't need a response as many cases are just venting frustrations; people can make their own judgements and remain silent, or respond privately (with the full understanding that what you say in private may not necessarily remain private). As I said earlier though, I think its about ready to die down and the list should get back to normalcy. Asa Jay Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks Dave <dave(a)damardirect.com> wrote: So Short's threats of censorship have no relevance to this group, correct? Pretty much correct yes, and I would expect this kind of thing might die down soon. Although this email forum is not controlled by POCA, there are some members who frequent it. Some of those members are long standing contributing people who have been in POCA and a Pantera owner for decades. Some of them have even been past Board members. And unfortunately some of them are not being made to feel as welcome in the club they helped build anymore. Because of this, they are expressing frustration at what appears to be maligning statements directed at them (and at others about them) for barely comprehensible reasons. Since those kinds of communications and forum postings are banned within POCA, these individuals are expressing their confusion and disappointment by highlighting here, the trouble being experienced there. Unfortunately this email forum is their only other outlet to reach others and try to highlight what they (and potentially others) may feel are injustices being served upon them and others. Most of the time they don't need a response as many cases are just venting frustrations; people can make their own judgements and remain silent, or respond privately (with the full understanding that what you say in private may not necessarily remain private). As I said earlier though, I think its about ready to die down and the list should get back to normalcy. Asa Jay Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks Dave <[1]dave(a)damardirect.com> wrote: So Short's threats of censorship have no relevance to this group, correct? References 1. mailto:dave@damardirect.com

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Re: [DeTomaso] L bumper issue
by Scott Mead Photography 07 Jun '16

07 Jun '16

Aloha Ed, It sounds like your painter didn't add a plasticizer (which gives the paint a bit of flexibility when it's cured) to the paint before spraying the bumper. You'll have to follow the same steps body shops use to prepare new bumper covers on late model cars. In your case, strip the bumper down, prime it, then paint it with the plasticized paint. Ron Haglan in Kihei painted my bumper (along with the rest of the car 10-years ago) and I've never had it bump, crack or wave. As he was Mike Mayberry's painter back in the '70s, he has a lot or experience painting Panteras, and L bumpers. You might consider shipping your bumper to him (DHX and Aloha Ai r Cargo are really affordable) to have it refinished. If you want to go that route, I'd be happy to assist in the logistics. Mahalo, Scott > On Jun 6, 2016, at 8:00 PM, edracers--- via DeTomaso > <detomaso(a)server.deto= masolist.com> wrote: >=20 > Aloha >=20 > My body guy spray painted the black L model front rubber bumper. Now > the paint is bumpy, with cracks, and looks bad. >=20 > My thought is to sand off the paint. But I do not know how to get the > luster back to the black bumper. >=20 > Any suggestions about this problem. >=20 > Ed Kemper >=20 > Honolulu > _______________________________________________ >=20 >=20 > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not >exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list >DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >=20 > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) >use t= he links above. >=20 > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >mes= sage posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They a= lso grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the ar= chiving of list messages.

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Re: [DeTomaso] L bumper issue
by SOBill＠aol.com 07 Jun '16

07 Jun '16

Ed, The bumper repair article is at http://www.panteraplace.com/page158.htm The spray coating is SEM #39103 Black Bumper Surfacer available at any professional auto body repair supply store. This is super stuff made for coating this exact type of bumper and produces a perfect finish. The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing. Do the best you can with what your have where you are. Have fun today! SOBill In a message dated 6/6/2016 11:00:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com writes: Aloha My body guy spray painted the black L model front rubber bumper. Now the paint is bumpy, with cracks, and looks bad. My thought is to sand off the paint. But I do not know how to get the luster back to the black bumper. Any suggestions about this problem. Ed Kemper Honolulu Aloha My body guy spray painted the black L model front rubber bumper. Now the paint is bumpy, with cracks, and looks bad. My thought is to sand off the paint. But I do not know how to get the luster back to the black bumper. Any suggestions about this problem. Ed Kemper Honolulu _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Ed, The bumper repair article is at [1]http://www.panteraplace.com/page158.htm The spray coating is SEM #39103 Black Bumper Surfacer available at any professional auto body repair supply store. This is super stuff made for coating this exact type of bumper and produces a perfect finish. The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing. Do the best you can with what your have where you are. Have fun today! SOBill In a message dated 6/6/2016 11:00:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com writes: Aloha My body guy spray painted the black L model front rubber bumper. Now the paint is bumpy, with cracks, and looks bad. My thought is to sand off the paint. But I do not know how to get the luster back to the black bumper. Any suggestions about this problem. Ed Kemper Honolulu Aloha My body guy spray painted the black L model front rubber bumper. Now the paint is bumpy, with cracks, and looks bad. My thought is to sand off the paint. But I do not know how to get the luster back to the black bumper. Any suggestions about this problem. Ed Kemper Honolulu _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. http://www.panteraplace.com/page158.htm

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Re: [DeTomaso] L bumper issue
by cengles＠cox.net 07 Jun '16

07 Jun '16

Dear Ed, If you don't get any prompt answers, then email me later today (tomorrow Hawaii time??). IIRC, down in the catacombs, in the archives, there was an article about how to refinish a black L model front rubber bumper. It may take me a while to find it. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 1:00 AM, edracers--- via DeTomaso wrote: > Aloha > My body guy spray painted the black L model front rubber bumper. Now > the paint is bumpy, with cracks, and looks bad. My thought is to sand > off the paint. But I do not know how to get the luster back to the > black bumper. > > Any suggestions about this problem. > > > Ed Kemper > Honolulu > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive > or approve the archiving of list messages.

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Re: [DeTomaso] L bumper issue
by grayjim＠cox.net 07 Jun '16

07 Jun '16

Also take a look on Pantera Place. I think that article may be posted there. Jim Gray On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:40 AM, cengles(a)cox.net wrote: > Dear Ed, > > > If you don't get any prompt answers, then email me > later today (tomorrow Hawaii time??). IIRC, down in the catacombs, in > the archives, there was an article about how to refinish a black L > model front rubber bumper. It may take me a while to find it. > > > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles > > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 1:00 AM, edracers--- via DeTomaso wrote: > >> Aloha >> My body guy spray painted the black L model front rubber bumper. Now >> the paint is bumpy, with cracks, and looks bad. My thought is to sand >> off the paint. But I do not know how to get the luster back to the >> black bumper. >> >> Any suggestions about this problem. >> >> >> Ed Kemper >> Honolulu >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) >> use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward >> any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of >> the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an >> archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive > or approve the archiving of list messages.

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Re: [DeTomaso] Thank you's to a lot of people (Was: POCA business on this forum)
by cengles＠cox.net 07 Jun '16

07 Jun '16

Dear Asa, That is a very well balanced statement of moderation that gives praise where it is due. Considering the source, it is most certainly sincere. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 10:57 PM, Asa Jay Laughton wrote: > I'd like to take a moment to give thanks you's to a whole lot of > people, too numerous to name actually, who have contributed to the > overall Pantera ownership experience. It all starts with real people, > the kind who actually know things about the cars; and more importantly > know the -right- things about the cars, and other people. Perhaps > even more important in a forum like this is the breadth of knowledge > and the choices of potential fixes or solutions one can choose from, > all most certainly from learned people. > > I'd also like to a put a thank you out to George Pence of the PI > forum. Yes, I too really miss the awesome magazine coming to my > inbox. I really started missing it after the really awesome last > couple of issues. I miss a bit more interaction with PI too, but I > will say say this, the PI forum is another awesome car forum on the > Internet. No, I don't frequent it, but it's easy to see it gets > attention, and from a large group of people who don't frequent this > email list. The PI forum has filled that niche for several years and > has a good amount of great information on the Pantera and other > DeTomaso automobiles in addition to other banter. Yes, it's moderated > and some folks have found themselves banned from the forum... well, > that's his call, but my thanks are still in place for continuing to > provide an alternative for Pantera owners. > > The Pantera Vendors. A Big thank you to those business owners who > have stuck with the Pantera for decades. I recently heard that if you > have a broken down 80's Countach, that there is only ONE guy in the > entire US that can repair the on-board electronic computer to make it > run again. Really? In the Pantera world we have several vendors who > can get you just about anything and talk you through just about any > repair over the phone. These people are fantastic. Could we spend > more? Maybe, but sending them a little money now and then for good > parts and service will help ensure they stay in business. > > POCA, the one Pantera club that's outlasted them all. A yearly Fun > Rally where you'll see more Panteras than a dealer ever did. > Reprinted publications that you can buy and refer to in your garage, a > monthly newsletter and quarterly magazine to remind you once a month > and once a quarter that you've got something special parked in your > garage. > > The one point I'd like to make here is that behind all of this are the > people who make it all happen. There are some names in the Pantera > world that many will recognize, and not because they sought any sort > of fame but because they have contributed time, energy, personal > experience and a "passion" for building relationships centered around > the Pantera: > > Gary Hall > Dennis Quella > Steve Wilkinson > Larry Stock > Jack DeRyke (what doesn't he know?) > Ted Mitchell (who knew everything before Jack did, I think) > Judy McCartney (membership lady!) > Rod Kunishige (database man!) > Dan Jones (more than I could ever hope to know about 351C engines) > Mike Drew (left Jay Leno speechless) > Les Gray (past president of POCA multiple times) > Kent and Sandi Snyder (I've affectionately referred to them as Mr and > Mrs. Fun Rally :) > Bob Reid > Bill Van Ess (first published Pantera registry) > George Pence > Marino Perna > Tony Harvey (Drive-it) > Mark McWhinney > Curt Toumanian > Dennis Antenucci > > ... and I'm sure a whole lot more. These are the kind of people who > built relationships to expand the passion of Pantera ownership. These > are the kind of people who want to continue in that regard as well. > > Are there, and will there be differing opinions and personalities? > Yes, there always will be, but it's how we interact with others that > measures our true integrity. How do we treat people in private as > well as public? > > I myself have had some heated words in the past that were made in > haste, and I've had to come back around and apologize for them. I > think each "bad" interaction helps teach me more about the person I'm > supposed to be, rather than the nasty person I know I could be. I > think that is the measure of our integrity, do we learn from our > mistakes, have we told the truth, can we stand behind what we've said? > Can we muster the necessary humility when needed? > > Some can, some can't. > > Without the kind relationships I built through many if not most if not > actually ALL the people I listed above, I would not have enjoyed > owning my Pantera and having as much fun with it as I could. It truly > is the owner-community that makes it all worth while (for me anyway), > not just some web site, not just some email forum, not just a fun > rally, or newsletters, or quarterly magazine. All those things > contribute to the experience, but without the people..... I might as > well own a Yugo. > > I think at this point, most folks have formed an opinion of current > POCA leadership, good or bad. I think those who care have probably > said their peace. To that end, I think we've exhausted the > illustration of what's happening and I'd like to perhaps give a gentle > reminder that in the words of Michael Shortt himself something like > only 2% of actual POCA members frequent this list. > > I can respect those who have wanted to air their grievances and I > think some have done so in far better fashion than others. I'd like > to encourage us all to find our Pantera voices again and stimulate > some good old fashion bench racing or problem solving. Oh.... and > note that I do not share in any moderation duties of this list > anymore. Kurt has a good handle on it and knows where to go if he > ever needs help. > > Get to it! > Asa Jay > > > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired > & Shelley Marie > Spokane, WA > ****************************** > http://w7tsc.org > http://www.teampanteraracing.com > > > On 6/6/2016 5:53 PM, msm(a)portata.com wrote: >> Rod -- you are always welcome here. Thank you for your many years of >> contributions to POCA and the greater DeTomaso community. >> > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive > or approve the archiving of list messages.

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