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Techno Question: How to check U joints integrity?
by Charles Engles 08 Jun '16

08 Jun '16

Dear Forum, The issue of loose or not U joints has come up. The C clips and paint are intact without bare metal showing. I can't remember the simple drill that, I think, begins with jacking up the rear of the Pantera and then..rotating the wheel back and forth??? Clarification is welcome. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles Dear Forum, The issue of loose or not U joints has come up. The C clips and paint are intact without bare metal showing. I can't remember the simple drill that, I think, begins with jacking up the rear of the Pantera and then....rotating the wheel back and forth??? Clarification is welcome. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles

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Re: [DeTomaso] POCA
by cengles＠cox.net 08 Jun '16

08 Jun '16

Dear Ed, I do appreciate your efforts at mediation, but given the phenomenon of the Michael Short era, I think that the increasing number of good people that have volunteered their time and efforts to support POCA, who are proactively leaving or planning on letting their membership lapse, speaks to a fundamental problem that won't be resolved by stepping away from the computer screen........... Warmest regards, Chuck Engles On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 1:48 AM, Ed Mendez wrote: > Quitting is only going to hurt the club and the people in it who love > you. We are all family here. Quit because of one person you don't > agree with? Quit because of a family member you don't get along with? > If we all did that none of us would be working in our day jobs, or > have a family at all. > > I assume punch my brother in the face, but he is still my brother and > that would really piss off my mom. > > Just saying. > Better that maybe we all just step away from the computer screen for a > while, there's a whole big world out there. > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus > >> On 8/06/2016, at 17:14, Stephen <steve(a)snclocks.com> wrote: >> >> Dear GoNancy Haney - I can readily understand your letting go of your >> POCA >> membership - right now the leadership is proving to be just plain >> polarizing. Just don't let go of this forum! And, one day, when >> hoof in >> mouth is not so rampant you can perhaps rejoin. >> >> Stephen Nelson >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On >> Behalf >> Of gonancy(a)juno.com >> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 8:38 PM >> To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> Subject: [DeTomaso] POCA >> >> Dear Forum, >> Even though I've just been a lurker and occasional poster and >> spellcheck nazi on the Forum since its inception, I wanted to put it >> out to >> the Pantera Community that I will be letting Judy McCartney know that >> I am >> ending my membership in POCA effective immediately. That means my >> associate >> member, the Profiles Editor, will be leaving also. Mike has the June >> issue >> at the printer's right now. It will be his last issue. As an >> aside, Mike couldn't even put his own profile on the POCA website, >> even though he's on the BOD, because he's an associate member, not a >> "true " >> member according to whomever it was that he contacted about it. How >> do you >> like that? Makes him sound like a second class citizen. >> It's been a great 25 years, >> GoNancy Haney >> >> P.S. I listened in on the last BOD meeting last week and it was all >> I could >> do to keep my mouth shut. A monumental effort on my part. I could not >> believe my ears sometimes at what MS was saying. He is a real piece >> of work. >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Nextiva vFAX >> Why Do You Still Have An Old Fax Machine? >> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5757934166446134075b2st03vuc >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not >> exceed 1.5 >> Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) >> use >> the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward >> any >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the >> list. >> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or >> approve >> the archiving of list messages. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) >> use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward >> any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of >> the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an >> archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive > or approve the archiving of list messages.

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FW: NPC - Processed some vintage race in-car footage
by Larry - Ohio Time 08 Jun '16

08 Jun '16

<< forgot to tell everyone else they were in it!!! >> Especially when it is my part of the world! I will come out if you'r in it. Larry (Lake Erie islands Key West of the north) - Cleveland -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Mike Drew via DeTomaso Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 12:30 AM To: Kurt Byrnes Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Processed some vintage race in-car footage Kurt, Looks to me like there was a race and somebody forgot to tell everyone else they were in it!!! Well done! What is it you're driving? Looks like a Morgan maybe? Mike Sent from my iPad > On Jun 7, 2016, at 9:00 PM, Kurt Byrnes <kdb(a)kbyrnes.com> wrote: > > Here's a few bits of a race I did last summer at Put-In-Bay Ohio. Back in the 50's, there were road races on the island. A few years ago, some friends wanted to honor the old races and restart racing on the island. Put-In-Bay Road Race Reunion was born. There are round table discussions with old racers who raced back in the day, a re-enactment of the old course, rocker cover races, etc. The website is http://pibroadrace.com/ > > > The races are now run at the airport. For two days, they close it down in the morning, build the course with hay bales, we race, and they tear it all back down so planes can land by evening. > > > They have an exhibition class that may let Pantera's in so if you're looking for something to do in late August, come on out. Races are held during the week since PIB is supposed to be the adult version of spring break every weekend in the summer. > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JerjbkhmBCU > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

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POCA Forum Rules? Really?
by Corey Price 08 Jun '16

08 Jun '16

I'm going to post this anyway. I'm kinda getting deja vu here... I read the new POCA forum rules. I find it interesting that if anyone in the POCA Board of Directors, "Website Admins" (whoever that is), or the "Moderating Team" (whoever that is again) thinks you're posting something on the new POCA forum that they don't like, they can remove it and revoke your membership (not clear if that's your forum membership or club membership). You can be banned because someone didn't like your point of view. Seems kinda harsh to me; isn't this what tyrannical governments do by controlling information? I warned the email forum about this when the new POCA forum was supposed to supersede the email forum. I specifically asked who was moderating it and the reply from the POCA President was that nobody was, which I snickered at silently and held my tongue. Thank you, Kurt, for getting the email forum back together. I'm happy to see so many of you posting here. It's really fun! Corey I'm going to post this anyway. I'm kinda getting deja vu here... I read the new POCA forum rules.A I find it interesting that if anyone in the POCA Board of Directors, "Website Admins" (whoever that is), or the "Moderating Team" (whoever that is again) thinks you're posting something on the new POCA forum that they don't like, they can remove it and revoke your membership (not clear if that's your forum membership or club membership). You can be banned because someone didn't like your point of view. Seems kinda harsh to me; isn't this what tyrannical governments do by controlling information? I warned the email forum about this when the new POCA forum was supposed to supersede the email forum.A I specifically asked who was moderating it and the reply from the POCA President was that nobody was, which I snickered at silently and held my tongue. Thank you, Kurt, for getting the email forum back together.A I'm happy to see so many of you posting here.A It's really fun! Corey

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More Thank You's
by Asa Jay Laughton 08 Jun '16

08 Jun '16

Oh my gosh how could I have forgotten Sweet Old Bill Taylor. My apologies Bill. Bill is another great contributor who took many hours to untangle the one-page wiring diagrams for the Pantera and make sense of them. Teaming up with Mike Dailey and The Pantera Place, Bill posted his diagrams for all to use. I myself have referred to his diagrams on more than one occasion. Bill was also the first recipient of the Team Pantera Racing SOBill Award for contributions in the best sense of "paying it forward." http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&… http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&… We salute you Bill, and give credit to Mike Dailey for his web based contributions as well. Asa Jay Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks Dave <dave(a)damardirect.com> wrote: I would also like to express a huge Thank You to SOBill Taylor and Chuck Engles. IndyDave Oh my gosh how could I have forgotten Sweet Old Bill Taylor. My apologies Bill. Bill is another great contributor who took many hours to untangle the one-page wiring diagrams for the Pantera and make sense of them. Teaming up with Mike Dailey and The Pantera Place, Bill posted his diagrams for all to use. I myself have referred to his diagrams on more than one occasion. Bill was also the first recipient of the Team Pantera Racing SOBill Award for contributions in the best sense of "paying it forward." [1]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=a rticle&id=238:2010-tpr-awards&catid=1:latest-news&Itemid=50 [2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=a rticle&id=238:2010-tpr-awards&catid=1:latest-news&Itemid=50 We salute you Bill, and give credit to Mike Dailey for his web based contributions as well. Asa Jay Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks Dave <[3]dave(a)damardirect.com> wrote: I would also like to express a huge Thank You to SOBill Taylor and Chuck Engles. IndyDave References 1. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&… 2. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&… 3. mailto:dave@damardirect.com

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Re: [DeTomaso] More Thank You's
by SOBill＠aol.com 08 Jun '16

08 Jun '16

Aw, shucks. I could never trace anything on the big diagrams and since problems are normally identified to individual functions I just made single function electrical diagrams. They are handy in that you can print them out and take them to the car with you. Plus, I enjoyed doing it. The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing. Do the best you can with what your have where you are. Have fun today! SOBill In a message dated 6/7/2016 11:38:04 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, asajay(a)asajay.com writes: Oh my gosh how could I have forgotten Sweet Old Bill Taylor. My apologies Bill. Bill is another great contributor who took many hours to untangle the one-page wiring diagrams for the Pantera and make sense of them. Teaming up with Mike Dailey and The Pantera Place, Bill posted his diagrams for all to use. I myself have referred to his diagrams on more than one occasion. Bill was also the first recipient of the Team Pantera Racing SOBill Award for contributions in the best sense of "paying it forward." http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&i d=238:2010-tpr-awards&catid=1:latest-news&Itemid=50 http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&i d=238:2010-tpr-awards&catid=1:latest-news&Itemid=50 We salute you Bill, and give credit to Mike Dailey for his web based contributions as well. Asa Jay Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks Dave <dave(a)damardirect.com> wrote: I would also like to express a huge Thank You to SOBill Taylor and Chuck Engles. IndyDave Aw, shucks. I could never trace anything on the big diagrams and since problems are normally identified to individual functions I just made single function electrical diagrams. They are handy in that you can print them out and take them to the car with you. Plus, I enjoyed doing it. The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing. Do the best you can with what your have where you are. Have fun today! SOBill In a message dated 6/7/2016 11:38:04 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, asajay(a)asajay.com writes: Oh my gosh how could I have forgotten Sweet Old Bill Taylor. My apologies Bill. Bill is another great contributor who took many hours to untangle the one-page wiring diagrams for the Pantera and make sense of them. Teaming up with Mike Dailey and The Pantera Place, Bill posted his diagrams for all to use. I myself have referred to his diagrams on more than one occasion. Bill was also the first recipient of the Team Pantera Racing SOBill Award for contributions in the best sense of "paying it forward." http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=a rticle&id=238:2010-tpr-awards&catid=1:latest-news&Itemid=50 http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=a rticle&id=238:2010-tpr-awards&catid=1:latest-news&Itemid=50 We salute you Bill, and give credit to Mike Dailey for his web based contributions as well. Asa Jay Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks Dave <dave(a)damardirect.com> wrote: I would also like to express a huge Thank You to SOBill Taylor and Chuck Engles. IndyDave

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Re: [DeTomaso] Door window
by Jim Gray 08 Jun '16

08 Jun '16

Oh. I think you have to install it from the inside of the door frame. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 7:25 PM To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Door window Dan - did you get any help with this? (because it's an impossible bitch of a job unless you have it turned and pointing exactly right) dave On 6/5/2016 9:47 AM, Dan Kohair wrote: > Trying to install door windows, do I have to remove the front quarter > window to get the dorr window in. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or > approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

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Re: [DeTomaso] Door window
by Jim Gray 08 Jun '16

08 Jun '16

The trick is to remove the rear track. This allows enough room to tilt the window as needed for install or removal. Chuck Engles and I went through this just a few weeks ago. Jim Gray -----Original Message----- From: Dave Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 7:25 PM To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Door window Dan - did you get any help with this? (because it's an impossible bitch of a job unless you have it turned and pointing exactly right) dave On 6/5/2016 9:47 AM, Dan Kohair wrote: > Trying to install door windows, do I have to remove the front quarter > window to get the dorr window in. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or > approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

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Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
by Bill Moore 08 Jun '16

08 Jun '16

Like button Cheers, Bill MooreIncendium SupplyCalgary -------- Original message -------- From: Dave <davel(a)emspace.com> Date: 2016-06-07 6:21 PM (GMT-07:00) To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum Y'awl 'd be talkin' Oklahoma there...... On 6/7/2016 11:23 AM, Larry - Ohio Time wrote: > << outlaw territory >> > > Kinda like Texas in the "Cloud" > > Larry (I'm in) - Cleveland > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf > Of cengles(a)cox.net > Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 1:58 PM > To: dave(a)damardirect.com > Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com; msm(a)portata.com; > rkunishige(a)hotmail.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum > > Dear Dave: Exactly and precisely. His empire does not extend to this > outlaw territory. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Dave wrote: > >> So Short's threats of censorship have no relevance to this group, >> correct? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dave Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 1:50 PM >> To: 'Charles McCall'; msm(a)portata.com; scottcouchman(a)yahoo.com; 'Rod >> Kunishige' >> Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum >> >> Thank you! >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Charles McCall [mailto:charlesmccall@gmail.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 1:42 PM >> To: Dave; msm(a)portata.com; scottcouchman(a)yahoo.com; 'Rod Kunishige' >> Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum >> >> True on both counts. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On >> Behalf Of Dave >> Sent: martes, 7 de junio de 2016 19:17 >> To: msm(a)portata.com; scottcouchman(a)yahoo.com; Rod Kunishige >> Cc: <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum >> >> Can someone enlighten me, please? >> I am/was under the impression this email list or forum was rescued >> from being dissolved by Kurt. (thank you Kurt) I was also under the >> impression this site was not part of or controlled by POCA.. >> Is this true? >> Thanks >> IndyDave >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: msm(a)portata.com [mailto:msm@portata.com] >> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 8:53 PM >> To: scottcouchman(a)yahoo.com; Rod Kunishige >> Cc: <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum >> >> Rod -- you are always welcome here. Thank you for your many years of >> contributions to POCA and the greater DeTomaso community. >> >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "Scott Couchman via DeTomaso" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> >> To: "Rod Kunishige" <rkunishige(a)hotmail.com> >> Cc: "<detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com>" >> <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> >> Sent: 6/6/2016 5:30:27 PM >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum >> >>> "You seem to be someone bound and determined to stir up trouble, up >>> until now, I have tried to remain quiet, in your last diatribe, I >>> think it was "until Michael Shortt stops messing with me" or >>> something to that effect, you would stop having these fits of verbal >>> and textual diarrhea. >>> >>> Frankly, I haven't given you another thought, you simply are not part >>> of any equation on my worksheet. >>> >>> You simply are a waste of my time which could be better used for >>> something to benefit the membership instead of dealing with what >>> seems to be a clinically depressed, anti social personality type >>> addicted to drama. >>> >>> That's changed, at the next BOD meeting I will be seeking to censure >>> you as a member for violating our policies, for sharing BOD working >>> emails and for not working within channels. I believe in an earlier >>> email, Ed made the process very clear, go through your Chapter >>> President or contact one of us directly, instead of posting your >>> failures and inability to comprehend structure and civility. >>> >>> If you make another very poor decision to continue these actions, I >>> will seek a second censure in 30 days and ask to remove you from this >>> club. >>> >>> I am not the only one tried of your behavior, there are enough votes >>> now in place to secure both outcomes. >>> >>> This is the last time that I will ask you to become a team player and >>> use your energies to help make POCA a better club instead of trying >>> to destroy it from within. >>> >>> Michael Shortt >>> President >>> POCA" >>> >>> Wow! Really? I thought this was a car club? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Jun 6, 2016, at 8:42 AM, Rod Kunishige <rkunishige(a)hotmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Am I to be removed from the POCA? >>>> Rod >>>> >>>> From: michaelsavga(a)gmail.com >>>> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 09:34:45 -0400 >>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum >>>> To: rkunishige(a)hotmail.com >>>> CC: jpoca2(a)hotmail.com; JDeRyke(a)aol.com; MBGlobalSc(a)aol.com; >>>> jb841(a)cox.net; RREIDCPA(a)aol.com; paso750(a)gmail.com; >>>> qrtlow(a)gmail.com; edducati(a)mac.com >>>> >>>> >>>> Mr. Kunishige, >>>> >>>> It appears the theme of a nicer, more friendly, and organized POCA >>>> which operates through channels escapes you. >>>> >>>> It also appears a sitting BOD member is sharing BOD ONLY emails >>>> with you, that member should know that >>>> when I find them out, I will put forth a motion to censure them for >>>> violating BOD policy. >>>> >>>> Since you are not an elected member of the BOD, you are not >>>> entitled to our work emails, discussions or methodologies >>>> used to arrive at how we do business, once formatted, discussed >>>> amongst ourselves, these same issues >>>> are put forth in an agenda, discussed during an Open BOD meeting >>>> where all members can hear how we take care of business. >>>> I think with the exception of the last 3 minutes of the last BOD >>>> meeting, it was an excellent example of how civil discourse >>>> can happen even between people with disparate points of view. >>>> >>>> It is called a process, nothing happens by itself, I think the last >>>> 10 years of POCA pretty much proves that point. >>>> >>>> In regard to your past, an inability to maintain a job or to >>>> operate a business successfully relates to our situation how? >>>> While owning a toy store would be a dream for somebody like me, >>>> everybody knows that 4 out of 5 new businesses fail in the first >>>> year >>>> and of those, 4 out of 5 will never see a fifth year, so your >>>> chance of still operating a toy store for five years was only 10% at >>>> best. >>>> Here is why most new businesses fail. >>>> >>>> 1 Incompetence >>>> 46 % >>>> Emotional Pricing >>>> >>>> Living too high for the business >>>> >>>> Nonpayment of taxes >>>> >>>> No knowledge of pricing >>>> >>>> Lack of planning >>>> >>>> No knowledge of financing >>>> >>>> No experience in record-keeping >>>> 2 Unbalanced Experience or Lack of Managerial Experience >>>> 30 % >>>> Poor credit granting practices >>>> >>>> Expansion too rapid >>>> >>>> Inadequate borrowing practices >>>> 3 Lack of Experiences in line of goods or services >>>> 11 % >>>> Carry inadequate inventory >>>> >>>> No knowledge of suppliers >>>> >>>> Wasted advertising budget >>>> 5 Neglect, fraud, disaster >>>> 1 % >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Nobody judges you, we have all had failures, if you don't try, >>>> that's the biggest failure of all. >>>> >>>> You seem to be someone bound and determined to stir up trouble, up >>>> until now, I have tried to >>>> remain quiet, in your last diatribe, I think it was "until Michael >>>> Shortt stops messing with me" or something to that effect, >>>> you would stop having these fits of verbal and textual diarrhea. >>>> >>>> Frankly, I haven't given you another thought, you simply are not >>>> part of any equation on my worksheet. >>>> >>>> You simply are a waste of my time which could be better used for >>>> something to benefit the membership instead of dealing >>>> with what seems to be a clinically depressed, anti social >>>> personality type addicted to drama. >>>> >>>> That's changed, at the next BOD meeting I will be seeking to >>>> censure you as a member for violating our policies, for sharing >>>> BOD working emails and for not working within channels. I believe >>>> in an earlier email, Ed made the process very clear, >>>> go through your Chapter President or contact one of us directly, >>>> instead of posting your failures and inability to comprehend >>>> structure and civility. >>>> >>>> If you make another very poor decision to continue these actions, I >>>> will seek a second censure in 30 days and ask to remove >>>> you from this club. >>>> >>>> I am not the only one tried of your behavior, there are enough >>>> votes now in place to secure both outcomes. >>>> >>>> This is the last time that I will ask you to become a team player >>>> and use your energies to help make POCA a better club instead >>>> of trying to destroy it from within. >>>> >>>> Michael Shortt >>>> President >>>> POCA >>>> >>>> This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy >>>> Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally >>>> privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby >>>> notified >>>> that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this >>>> communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender >>>> that you >>>> have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 6:22 AM, Ed Mendez <edducati(a)mac.com> wrote: >>>> What part of "the email list should not be used to discuss POCA >>>> business", "bring your grievances to your chapter president", and >>>> "take it offline" did you not understand? >>>> >>>> By you copying members and non members of POCA on this email list >>>> with your grievances, and personal issues with Michael Shortt; you >>>> are placing the whole club in a negative light. This is adversely >>>> effecting the clubs ability to recruit new members. >>>> >>>> Copying the BOD. >>>> >>>> Kind regards, >>>> >>>> Ed >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 6/06/2016, at 10:11, Rod Kunishige <rkunishige(a)hotmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> Ed Menedez, >>>>> >>>>> You say that facts are clearly important to you. >>>>> >>>>> So, let me quote you some snippets taken directly from MS May 16, >>>> 2016 >>>>> email Subject: Newsletter and Profiles printing/design >>>> henceforth: >>>>> O/ Meanwhile, as a part of this change will also come full >>>> color >>>>> printing on all pages in both the Newsletter / Profiles, a new >>>> printer, >>>>> and mailing partner. >>>>> >>>>> O/ The existing printer will not print anything else for >>>> POCA >>>>> after the June newsletter. >>>>> >>>>> O/ Your new printing partner is PrintingCenterUSA, >>>>> >>>>> O/ effective immediately we will begin to adopt layout >>>>> designs/templa tes which will dedicate 20% of the total space to >>>>> advertising content display. >>>>> the Newsletter needs to be 32 total pages each month, 5 pages in >>>> total >>>>> space needs to be evenly distributed in 1/8 page, 1/4, 1/3. & 1/2 >>>> page >>>>> horitzontal ads and 1/2 page vertical ads plus a full page ad. >>>>> >>>>> O/ You will need to coordinate with Ed with proofs so that >>>> he will >>>>> have the final say on ad placement before adthing is printed. >>>>> >>>>> O/ The vendor listings are to be removed. They will have to >>>> buy >>>>> ads to reach our memb ers. >>>>> >>>>> O/ We also need to use ONLY the newly revised/cleaned up >>>> POCA Road >>>>> Script and POCA crest. >>>>> >>>>> Completely detailed specifications are also set as fixed space >>>>> allocations for both pubs without consideration for content >>>>> adjustments. >>>>> >>>>> My view is that these are clearly directives not suggestions to >>>>> consider to fellow POCA Board Members. >>>>> >>>>> Ed, should you wish to challenge these facts, Ill be most pleased >>>> to >>>>> publish the email in its entirety so everyone may view it within >>>> its >>>>> full context. >>>>> NOTE: There seems to be a need to know the qualifications of the >>>>> writers who post here. So, let me explain that my career of 35 >>>> years >>>>> was in Information Technology ending as VP of IT. I also owned >>>> and >>>>> operated a mailing house directing publications in the SF Bay >>>> Area for >>>>> 4 years and owned and operated a 9,000 sq ft independent Toy >>>> Store for >>>>> 5 years. Hope this helps the readers who wish to know my >>>> background. I >>>>> LOVE this club and vendors. Its members have helped me >>>> throughout the >>>>> decades. >>>>> Rod >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA >>>>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >>>>> DeTomaso mailing list >>>>> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>>>> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>>>> >>>>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, >>>> etc.) use the links above. >>>>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward >>>> any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of >>>> the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an >>>> archive or approve the archiving of list messages. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Michael L. Shortt >>>> Savannah, Georgia >>>> www.michaelshortt.com >>>> michael(a)michaelshortt.com >>>> 912-232-9390 >>>> >>>> >>>> This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy >>>> Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally >>>> privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby >>>> notified >>>> that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this >>>> communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender >>>> that you >>>> have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed >> 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) >> use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the >> list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive >> or approve the archiving of list messages. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) >> use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the >> list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive >> or approve the archiving of list messages. > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Like button Cheers, Bill Moore Incendium Supply Calgary -------- Original message -------- From: Dave <davel(a)emspace.com> Date: 2016-06-07 6:21 PM (GMT-07:00) To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum Y'awl 'd be talkin' Oklahoma there...... On 6/7/2016 11:23 AM, Larry - Ohio Time wrote: > << outlaw territory >> > > Kinda like Texas in the "Cloud" > > Larry (I'm in) - Cleveland > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf > Of cengles(a)cox.net > Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 1:58 PM > To: dave(a)damardirect.com > Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com; msm(a)portata.com; > rkunishige(a)hotmail.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum > > Dear Dave: Exactly and precisely. His empire does not extend to this > outlaw territory. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Dave wrote: > >> So Short's threats of censorship have no relevance to this group, >> correct? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dave Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 1:50 PM >> To: 'Charles McCall'; msm(a)portata.com; scottcouchman(a)yahoo.com; 'Rod >> Kunishige' >> Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum >> >> Thank you! >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Charles McCall [mailto:charlesmccall@gmail.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 1:42 PM >> To: Dave; msm(a)portata.com; scottcouchman(a)yahoo.com; 'Rod Kunishige' >> Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum >> >> True on both counts. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On >> Behalf Of Dave >> Sent: martes, 7 de junio de 2016 19:17 >> To: msm(a)portata.com; scottcouchman(a)yahoo.com; Rod Kunishige >> Cc: <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum >> >> Can someone enlighten me, please? >> I am/was under the impression this email list or forum was rescued >> from being dissolved by Kurt. (thank you Kurt) I was also under the >> impression this site was not part of or controlled by POCA.. >> Is this true? >> Thanks >> IndyDave >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: msm(a)portata.com [mailto:msm@portata.com] >> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 8:53 PM >> To: scottcouchman(a)yahoo.com; Rod Kunishige >> Cc: <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum >> >> Rod -- you are always welcome here. Thank you for your many years of >> contributions to POCA and the greater DeTomaso community. >> >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "Scott Couchman via DeTomaso" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> >> To: "Rod Kunishige" <rkunishige(a)hotmail.com> >> Cc: "<detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com>" >> <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> >> Sent: 6/6/2016 5:30:27 PM >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum >> >>> "You seem to be someone bound and determined to stir up trouble, up >>> until now, I have tried to remain quiet, in your last diatribe, I >>> think it was "until Michael Shortt stops messing with me" or >>> something to that effect, you would stop having these fits of verbal >>> and textual diarrhea. >>> >>> Frankly, I haven't given you another thought, you simply are not part >>> of any equation on my worksheet. >>> >>> You simply are a waste of my time which could be better used for >>> something to benefit the membership instead of dealing with what >>> seems to be a clinically depressed, anti social personality type >>> addicted to drama. >>> >>> That's changed, at the next BOD meeting I will be seeking to censure >>> you as a member for violating our policies, for sharing BOD working >>> emails and for not working within channels. I believe in an earlier >>> email, Ed made the process very clear, go through your Chapter >>> President or contact one of us directly, instead of posting your >>> failures and inability to comprehend structure and civility. >>> >>> If you make another very poor decision to continue these actions, I >>> will seek a second censure in 30 days and ask to remove you from this >>> club. >>> >>> I am not the only one tried of your behavior, there are enough votes >>> now in place to secure both outcomes. >>> >>> This is the last time that I will ask you to become a team player and >>> use your energies to help make POCA a better club instead of trying >>> to destroy it from within. >>> >>> Michael Shortt >>> President >>> POCA" >>> >>> Wow! Really? I thought this was a car club? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Jun 6, 2016, at 8:42 AM, Rod Kunishige <rkunishige(a)hotmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Am I to be removed from the POCA? >>>> Rod >>>> >>>> From: michaelsavga(a)gmail.com >>>> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 09:34:45 -0400 >>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum >>>> To: rkunishige(a)hotmail.com >>>> CC: jpoca2(a)hotmail.com; JDeRyke(a)aol.com; MBGlobalSc(a)aol.com; >>>> jb841(a)cox.net; RREIDCPA(a)aol.com; paso750(a)gmail.com; >>>> qrtlow(a)gmail.com; edducati(a)mac.com >>>> >>>> >>>> Mr. Kunishige, >>>> >>>> It appears the theme of a nicer, more friendly, and organized POCA >>>> which operates through channels escapes you. >>>> >>>> It also appears a sitting BOD member is sharing BOD ONLY emails >>>> with you, that member should know that >>>> when I find them out, I will put forth a motion to censure them for >>>> violating BOD policy. >>>> >>>> Since you are not an elected member of the BOD, you are not >>>> entitled to our work emails, discussions or methodologies >>>> used to arrive at how we do business, once formatted, discussed >>>> amongst ourselves, these same issues >>>> are put forth in an agenda, discussed during an Open BOD meeting >>>> where all members can hear how we take care of business. >>>> I think with the exception of the last 3 minutes of the last BOD >>>> meeting, it was an excellent example of how civil discourse >>>> can happen even between people with disparate points of view. >>>> >>>> It is called a process, nothing happens by itself, I think the last >>>> 10 years of POCA pretty much proves that point. >>>> >>>> In regard to your past, an inability to maintain a job or to >>>> operate a business successfully relates to our situation how? >>>> While owning a toy store would be a dream for somebody like me, >>>> everybody knows that 4 out of 5 new businesses fail in the first >>>> year >>>> and of those, 4 out of 5 will never see a fifth year, so your >>>> chance of still operating a toy store for five years was only 10% at >>>> best. >>>> Here is why most new businesses fail. >>>> >>>> 1 Incompetence >>>> 46 % >>>> Emotional Pricing >>>> >>>> Living too high for the business >>>> >>>> Nonpayment of taxes >>>> >>>> No knowledge of pricing >>>> >>>> Lack of planning >>>> >>>> No knowledge of financing >>>> >>>> No experience in record-keeping >>>> 2 Unbalanced Experience or Lack of Managerial Experience >>>> 30 % >>>> Poor credit granting practices >>>> >>>> Expansion too rapid >>>> >>>> Inadequate borrowing practices >>>> 3 Lack of Experiences in line of goods or services >>>> 11 % >>>> Carry inadequate inventory >>>> >>>> No knowledge of suppliers >>>> >>>> Wasted advertising budget >>>> 5 Neglect, fraud, disaster >>>> 1 % >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Nobody judges you, we have all had failures, if you don't try, >>>> that's the biggest failure of all. >>>> >>>> You seem to be someone bound and determined to stir up trouble, up >>>> until now, I have tried to >>>> remain quiet, in your last diatribe, I think it was "until Michael >>>> Shortt stops messing with me" or something to that effect, >>>> you would stop having these fits of verbal and textual diarrhea. >>>> >>>> Frankly, I haven't given you another thought, you simply are not >>>> part of any equation on my worksheet. >>>> >>>> You simply are a waste of my time which could be better used for >>>> something to benefit the membership instead of dealing >>>> with what seems to be a clinically depressed, anti social >>>> personality type addicted to drama. >>>> >>>> That's changed, at the next BOD meeting I will be seeking to >>>> censure you as a member for violating our policies, for sharing >>>> BOD working emails and for not working within channels. I believe >>>> in an earlier email, Ed made the process very clear, >>>> go through your Chapter President or contact one of us directly, >>>> instead of posting your failures and inability to comprehend >>>> structure and civility. >>>> >>>> If you make another very poor decision to continue these actions, I >>>> will seek a second censure in 30 days and ask to remove >>>> you from this club. >>>> >>>> I am not the only one tried of your behavior, there are enough >>>> votes now in place to secure both outcomes. >>>> >>>> This is the last time that I will ask you to become a team player >>>> and use your energies to help make POCA a better club instead >>>> of trying to destroy it from within. >>>> >>>> Michael Shortt >>>> President >>>> POCA >>>> >>>> This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy >>>> Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally >>>> privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby >>>> notified >>>> that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this >>>> communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender >>>> that you >>>> have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 6:22 AM, Ed Mendez <edducati(a)mac.com> wrote: >>>> What part of "the email list should not be used to discuss POCA >>>> business", "bring your grievances to your chapter president", and >>>> "take it offline" did you not understand? >>>> >>>> By you copying members and non members of POCA on this email list >>>> with your grievances, and personal issues with Michael Shortt; you >>>> are placing the whole club in a negative light. This is adversely >>>> effecting the clubs ability to recruit new members. >>>> >>>> Copying the BOD. >>>> >>>> Kind regards, >>>> >>>> Ed >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 6/06/2016, at 10:11, Rod Kunishige <rkunishige(a)hotmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> Ed Menedez, >>>>> >>>>> You say that facts are clearly important to you. >>>>> >>>>> So, let me quote you some snippets taken directly from MS May 16, >>>> 2016 >>>>> email Subject: Newsletter and Profiles printing/design >>>> henceforth: >>>>> O/ Meanwhile, as a part of this change will also come full >>>> color >>>>> printing on all pages in both the Newsletter / Profiles, a new >>>> printer, >>>>> and mailing partner. >>>>> >>>>> O/ The existing printer will not print anything else for >>>> POCA >>>>> after the June newsletter. >>>>> >>>>> O/ Your new printing partner is PrintingCenterUSA, >>>>> >>>>> O/ effective immediately we will begin to adopt layout >>>>> designs/templa tes which will dedicate 20% of the total space to >>>>> advertising content display. >>>>> the Newsletter needs to be 32 total pages each month, 5 pages in >>>> total >>>>> space needs to be evenly distributed in 1/8 page, 1/4, 1/3. & 1/2 >>>> page >>>>> horitzontal ads and 1/2 page vertical ads plus a full page ad. >>>>> >>>>> O/ You will need to coordinate with Ed with proofs so that >>>> he will >>>>> have the final say on ad placement before adthing is printed. >>>>> >>>>> O/ The vendor listings are to be removed. They will have to >>>> buy >>>>> ads to reach our memb ers. >>>>> >>>>> O/ We also need to use ONLY the newly revised/cleaned up >>>> POCA Road >>>>> Script and POCA crest. >>>>> >>>>> Completely detailed specifications are also set as fixed space >>>>> allocations for both pubs without consideration for content >>>>> adjustments. >>>>> >>>>> My view is that these are clearly directives not suggestions to >>>>> consider to fellow POCA Board Members. >>>>> >>>>> Ed, should you wish to challenge these facts, Ill be most pleased >>>> to >>>>> publish the email in its entirety so everyone may view it within >>>> its >>>>> full context. >>>>> NOTE: There seems to be a need to know the qualifications of the >>>>> writers who post here. So, let me explain that my career of 35 >>>> years >>>>> was in Information Technology ending as VP of IT. I also owned >>>> and >>>>> operated a mailing house directing publications in the SF Bay >>>> Area for >>>>> 4 years and owned and operated a 9,000 sq ft independent Toy >>>> Store for >>>>> 5 years. Hope this helps the readers who wish to know my >>>> background. I >>>>> LOVE this club and vendors. Its members have helped me >>>> throughout the >>>>> decades. >>>>> Rod >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA >>>>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >>>>> DeTomaso mailing list >>>>> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>>>> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>>>> >>>>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, >>>> etc.) use the links above. >>>>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward >>>> any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of >>>> the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an >>>> archive or approve the archiving of list messages. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Michael L. Shortt >>>> Savannah, Georgia >>>> www.michaelshortt.com >>>> michael(a)michaelshortt.com >>>> 912-232-9390 >>>> >>>> >>>> This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy >>>> Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally >>>> privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby >>>> notified >>>> that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this >>>> communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender >>>> that you >>>> have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed >> 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) >> use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the >> list. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive >> or approve the archiving of list messages. > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

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Door window
by Dan Kohair 08 Jun '16

08 Jun '16

Trying to install door windows, do I have to remove the front quarter window to get the dorr window in. Trying to install door windows, do I have to remove the front quarter window to get the dorr window in.

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