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Re: [DeTomaso] Oil temperature
by Tomas Gunnarsson 11 Jun '16

11 Jun '16

I have a sender in the threaded hole next to the fuel pump. That's the main oil feed from the filter boss to the engine. Without an oil cooler I typically saw oil temps around 10 C above water on the highway. Never got more than 20 C above water when driving on the track either. Open road racing would be much harder on the oil temp but I haven't tried that. With the popular Ford water/oil unit I see water temp pretty much all the time on the oil temp gauge. The Veglia gauge is so-so accurate, keep that in mind. Oil is at 90 C approximately with what I think is a 192 F water thermostat. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso [detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com] Sent: 11/6/2016 10:40:37 PM To: asajay(a)asajay.com Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil temperature AJ, Since you had instrumentation, what were your temps when driving at freeway speeds? Mike Sent from my iPhone On Jun 11, 2016, at 13:18, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay(a)asajay.com> wrote: > Talking with another open road racer a few years ago about this topic, I was told you want about 230 degrees F and nothing near 290. That's a nearly 60 degree difference. But the way he gave me the information makes me think you want to make sure you stay down around 230. People smarter than me will know a lot more than me. I also run Amsoil full synthetic and there is a temp for viscocity breakdown but I don't have the spec in front of me. > > For open road racing, depnding on the engine build and speed, a racer will definitely want an oil cooler. Last year I ran the 120 class and spent a good amount of time near 130. My oil temp ran right around 230, so I knew if I wanted to move up to the 130-140 class, I'd need to add an oil cooler. > > Your mileage may vary, > Asa Jay > > > > > Quoting Jack Donahue <demongusta(a)gmail.com>: > >> Once again, as summer approaches, cooling becomes an issue and topic of some discussion. Rather than beating the radiator, water pump, thermostat, and pressure cap horses to death, I thought I would pursue the oil temperature. So, all you gurus, what is the normal range of an oil temperature in these beautiful beasts? My next little project (get in line) is to install an oil temp gauge. Waste of time? I guess I need some feedback. All input is appreciated. >> #4348 >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > > > -- > Asa Jay Laughton - sent from somewhere other than home > ****************************************************** > http://www.w7tsc.org > http://www.teampanteraracing.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. . I have a sender in the threaded hole next to the fuel pump. That's the main oil feed from the filter boss to the engine. Without an oil cooler I typically saw oil temps around 10 C above water on the highway. Never got more than 20 C above water when driving on the track either. Open road racing would be much harder on the oil temp but I haven't tried that. With the popular Ford water/oil unit I see water temp pretty much all the time on the oil temp gauge. The Veglia gauge is so-so accurate, keep that in mind. Oil is at 90 C approximately with what I think is a 192 F water thermostat. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso [detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com] Sent: 11/6/2016 10:40:37 PM To: asajay(a)asajay.com Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil temperature AJ, Since you had instrumentation, what were your temps when driving at freeway speeds? Mike Sent from my iPhone On Jun 11, 2016, at 13:18, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay(a)asajay.com> wrote: > Talking with another open road racer a few years ago about this topic, I was told you want about 230 degrees F and nothing near 290. That's a nearly 60 degree difference. But the way he gave me the information makes me think you want to make sure you stay down around 230. People smarter than me will know a lot more than me. I also run Amsoil full synthetic and there is a temp for viscocity breakdown but I don't have the spec in front of me. > > For open road racing, depnding on the engine build and speed, a racer will definitely want an oil cooler. Last year I ran the 120 class and spent a good amount of time near 130. My oil temp ran right around 230, so I knew if I wanted to move up to the 130-140 class, I'd need to add an oil cooler. > > Your mileage may vary, > Asa Jay > > > > > Quoting Jack Donahue <demongusta(a)gmail.com>: > >> Once again, as summer approaches, cooling becomes an issue and topic of some discussion. Rather than beating the radiator, water pump, thermostat, and pressure cap horses to death, I thought I would pursue the oil temperature. So, all you gurus, what is the normal range of an oil temperature in these beautiful beasts? My next little project (get in line) is to install an oil temp gauge. Waste of time? I guess I need some feedback. All input is appreciated. >> #4348 >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > > > -- > Asa Jay Laughton - sent from somewhere other than home > ****************************************************** > http://www.w7tsc.org > http://www.teampanteraracing.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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Re: [DeTomaso] Oil temperature
by Charles Engles 11 Jun '16

11 Jun '16

Dear Jack, I very much appreciate your motoring philosophy: "The old “track-pushing-hard” syndrome left me a few years back. Always looking for a way to NOT look at the temp gauge on hot days in traffic." Warmest regards, Chuck Engles -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Jack Donahue Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 3:55 PM To: Mike Drew Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil temperature Out of curiosity, where would you add an oil cooler? And would it be an air-to-liquid - or - liquid-to-liquid cooler? Having moved the A/C condenser to the front, I was thinking of using the original condenser-space for an air-to-liquid cooler with a pusher fan. I get the feeling, however, that it’s a waste of time, which sounds good/great to me. > On Jun 11, 2016, at 1:40 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > > AJ, > > Since you had instrumentation, what were your temps when driving at freeway speeds? > > Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 11, 2016, at 13:18, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay(a)asajay.com> wrote: > >> Talking with another open road racer a few years ago about this topic, I was told you want about 230 degrees F and nothing near 290. That's a nearly 60 degree difference. But the way he gave me the information makes me think you want to make sure you stay down around 230. People smarter than me will know a lot more than me. I also run Amsoil full synthetic and there is a temp for viscocity breakdown but I don't have the spec in front of me. >> >> For open road racing, depnding on the engine build and speed, a racer will definitely want an oil cooler. Last year I ran the 120 class and spent a good amount of time near 130. My oil temp ran right around 230, so I knew if I wanted to move up to the 130-140 class, I'd need to add an oil cooler. >> >> Your mileage may vary, >> Asa Jay >> >> >> >> >> Quoting Jack Donahue <demongusta(a)gmail.com>: >> >>> Once again, as summer approaches, cooling becomes an issue and topic of some discussion. Rather than beating the radiator, water pump, thermostat, and pressure cap horses to death, I thought I would pursue the oil temperature. So, all you gurus, what is the normal range of an oil temperature in these beautiful beasts? My next little project (get in line) is to install an oil temp gauge. Waste of time? I guess I need some feedback. All input is appreciated. >>> #4348 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not >>> exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list >>> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>> >>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. >>> >>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. >> >> >> -- >> Asa Jay Laughton - sent from somewhere other than home >> ****************************************************** >> http://www.w7tsc.org >> http://www.teampanteraracing.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not >> exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed > 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Dear Jack, I very much appreciate your motoring philosophy: "The old "track-pushing-hard" syndrome left me a few years back. Always looking for a way to NOT look at the temp gauge on hot days in traffic." Warmest regards, Chuck Engles -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [[1]mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Jack Donahue Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 3:55 PM To: Mike Drew Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil temperature Out of curiosity, where would you add an oil cooler? And would it be an air-to-liquid - or - liquid-to-liquid cooler? Having moved the A/C condenser to the front, I was thinking of using the original condenser-space for an air-to-liquid cooler with a pusher fan. I get the feeling, however, that it's a waste of time, which sounds good/great to me. > On Jun 11, 2016, at 1:40 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > > AJ, > > Since you had instrumentation, what were your temps when driving at freeway speeds? > > Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 11, 2016, at 13:18, Asa Jay Laughton <[3]asajay(a)asajay.com> wrote: > >> Talking with another open road racer a few years ago about this topic, I was told you want about 230 degrees F and nothing near 290. That's a nearly 60 degree difference. But the way he gave me the information makes me think you want to make sure you stay down around 230. People smarter than me will know a lot more than me. I also run Amsoil full synthetic and there is a temp for viscocity breakdown but I don't have the spec in front of me. >> >> For open road racing, depnding on the engine build and speed, a racer will definitely want an oil cooler. Last year I ran the 120 class and spent a good amount of time near 130. My oil temp ran right around 230, so I knew if I wanted to move up to the 130-140 class, I'd need to add an oil cooler. >> >> Your mileage may vary, >> Asa Jay >> >> >> >> >> Quoting Jack Donahue <[4]demongusta(a)gmail.com>: >> >>> Once again, as summer approaches, cooling becomes an issue and topic of some discussion. Rather than beating the radiator, water pump, thermostat, and pressure cap horses to death, I thought I would pursue the oil temperature. So, all you gurus, what is the normal range of an oil temperature in these beautiful beasts? My next little project (get in line) is to install an oil temp gauge. Waste of time? I guess I need some feedback. All input is appreciated. >>> #4348 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not >>> exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list >>> [5]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>> [6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>> >>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. >>> >>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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Vedr. Great Pantera in commercial....
by gudmund frøland 11 Jun '16

11 Jun '16

Seems like there are som strange smal tail light on the silver car? -------------------------------------------- Den lør 2016-06-11 skrev Larry Finch via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com>: Emne: [DeTomaso] Great Pantera in commercial.... Til: "Email List Address For Posting" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Dato: Lørdag 11. juni 2016 03.34 All, IF the red car is a Pantera - I’m still not convinced - then there are TWO Panteras in that video. There is also a longer version of the video on you tube, which is where I first noticed the second Pantera. Reviewing the earlier, shorter video posted by Mike ,I can now see the second Pantera in at least two frames. This time, there is no doubt it is a Pantera. If you find it, tell me what is wrong with the treatment of the rear end on the car. Larry https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-MrX_0ko4U _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

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Greenwich Pantera takeoff
by Larry Finch 11 Jun '16

11 Jun '16

Whose yellow car leaving the Greenwich Concours? Larry https://youtu.be/b5vfeAs8UIY Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.

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Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
by Charles Engles 11 Jun '16

11 Jun '16

Dear Will, Yes, and I still find it remarkable that the historic view of the club management and resources from those early days with simple-minded enthusiasts working as best as they could for the club, could have made the club solvent and kept it that way up to the present when modern marketing and accounting show us the error of our ways. Cool is an understatement!, Chuck Engles -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Will Kooiman Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 9:49 PM To: jderyke(a)aol.com; robpink2012(a)gmail.com; erichards(a)zogob.sdcoxmail.com Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum I¹ve always thought that was fantastic. It¹s hard enough to organize an event, but to do it for 25 years, AND to donate all of the proceeds? That¹s pretty cool. On 6/10/16, 10:35 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso" <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com on behalf of detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > Surprisingly, the amount DONATED to the POCA General Fund by Kent & > Sandi Snyder during 25 years of successful Fun Rallys (net profit) is > close to that number. Bob Reid could tell us for sure- he was one of > the 'gang of three' responsible for staging the events all those years. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Pink <robpink2012(a)gmail.com> > To: Effie Richards <erichards(a)zogob.sdcoxmail.com> > Cc: detomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > Sent: Thu, Jun 9, 2016 6:08 am > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum > Probably good to remember that the only reason there is a reserve at > all is because budget that was set up for a number of profiles editions > was not spent - as the editions weren't completed. I think > withoutA that "windfall " the club would be pretty much break even. > On Wednesday, June 8, 2016, Effie Richards > <[1][1]erichards(a)zogob.sdcoxmail.com> wrote: > Congrats, indeed! > Sent from Effie's iPad > > On Jun 8, 2016, at 5:00 PM, Jack Donahue <[2][2]demongusta(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > I have the dubious distinction of being the longest standing > member in the Porsche Club of America, and the sole Charter member - > 61 years - whew - that went fast. I must say the Pantera group is a > lot more personable than the Porsche group. > > #4348 > > > >> On Jun 8, 2016, at 4:00 PM, Will Kooiman > <[3][3]will.kooiman(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> The Porsche club has over 100,000 members. > >> > >> The Ferrari club has over 6,000. > >> > >> It isn't exactly an apples-to-apples comparison. > >> > >> You need to consider what the reserves might be used for.A > Personally, I > >> think $100,00 sounds about right, but I would just be guessing.A > I'd have > >> to see a risk assessment to make an educated guess on an > acceptable cash > >> reserve. > >> > >> -- > >> Will > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> On 6/8/16 6:13 PM, "Ed Mendez" <[4][4]edducati(a)mac.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> The Ferrari and Porsche clubs have over $1,000,000 in reserves. > Their > >>> annual reports are available online. SCCA has more than that > last time I > >>> checked. > >>> > >>> Ed > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus > >>> > >>>> On 9/06/2016, at 05:51, Ken Green via DeTomaso > >>>> <[5][5]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> You mean do something before someone burns though the cash > reserve > >>>> playing with their ideas of what a club should be.A I heard > the POCA > >>>> cash reserve is over $100,000.A I don't know anything about > the > >>>> typical > >>>> size of cash reserves for car clubs, but that seems like a lot? > >>>> Ken > >>>>A > A __________________________________________________________________ > >>>> > >>>> From: Dave <[6][6]dave(a)damardirect.com> > >>>> To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <[7][7]detomasoregistry(a)gmail.com> > >>>> Cc: DeTomaso List <[8][8]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 10:18 AM > >>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum > >>>> Thank you Chuck for letting me know what has transpired within > the > >>>> organization. Thank you Kurt for the resurrection. > >>>> It is interesting that the new POCA website forum is far behind > this > >>>> forum as far as popularity. It is also worth noting that > technology, > >>>> the "better", new format of the POCA, is suffering a lack of > >>>> attendance > >>>> or participation, compared to this site. The phrase "build it & > they > >>>> will come running" certainly does not sound like it is > happening. So > >>>> why is the old guard allowing this to happen? It seems so > flagrant. I > >>>> think I read a sentiment that in essence said, if you don't > like the > >>>> new structure, you are not needed. This is a car group, how do > you > >>>> censor or better, why would you threaten anyone who disagrees > with > >>>> expulsion? > >>>> Seems there is the dominate group forcing the subordinate group > to > >>>> leave, the very definition of expulsion. > >>>> I agree Chuck, so very sad. I would think change is needed > sooner than > >>>> later. > >>>> Dave > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy > [[9]mailto:[1][9]detomasoregistry@gmail.com] > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:27 PM > >>>> To: Dave > >>>> Cc: DeTomaso List > >>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum > >>>> Can someone enlighten me, please? > >>>> I am/was under the impression this email list or forum was > rescued > >>>> from > >>>> being dissolved by Kurt. (thank you Kurt) I was also under the > >>>> impression this site was not part of or controlled by POCA.. > >>>> Is this true? > >>>> Thanks > >>>> IndyDave > >>>> Dave, > >>>> You missed someone's good explanation of the list history.A It > was > >>>> started long ago, and when it was time for the guy to move on, > he > >>>> allowed POCA to 'manage' it under certain conditions. > >>>> Then recently MS decided it should be killed, favoring the POCA > >>>> Board-like forum. > >>>> Kurt Byrnes (sp ?) took responsibility and restarted it. > >>>> Now, the list is 'freed from POCA'...A THANKS Kurt! > >>>> To use the POCA forum requires membership ($75 annually), it is > >>>> censored for anti-POCA content, is no better than the GREAT > (and free) > >>>> PI Forum, actually much LESS than the PI Forum, and thus is not > really > >>>> used. > >>>> And when newly-freed spirits discuss things 'here' some POCA > people > >>>> feel compelled to answer. > >>>> Perhaps the POCA propaganda machine should re-evaluate their > >>>> communications method. > >>>> Or maybe Dave, you are adding your commentary too subtly for me > (big > >>>> grin). > >>>> (Read between the lines ?!?A What lines ?!?A GRIN) > >>>> Now... > >>>> What caught my attention was a statement was made by the > >>>> POCA-propaganda machine (PPM) regarding evaluation of alternate > >>>> printers. > >>>> How this was presented did seem reasonable (at first!). Yet > Judy > >>>> DeRyke > >>>> (and/or others) commented on how the decision was actually > made.A This > >>>> was refuted by the PPM. So someone felt it necessary to post > just how > >>>> POCA makes its decisions (well how Michael Shortt makes > decisions for > >>>> ALL POCA members) using an actual e-mail message as the > >>>> fact/source/evidence. What better way to form an opinion than > with > >>>> facts, right? > >>>> The posting of the facts was made by a non-POCA officer. > >>>> He was then threatened with censure and being kicked out of the > club > >>>> for posting the evidence.A WOW ! > >>>> First, I do not believe the person posting the facts can or > should be > >>>> punished.A He did not sign a statement or agree to ANY terms > that he > >>>> is > >>>> in violation of. Challenging a lie is the right thing to do. If > Mr. > >>>> Shortt wants to try to punish anyone, it should be himself for > not > >>>> conveying the truth in the first place. > >>>> While I am not passing judgment on any one suggestion for > improvement > >>>> of POCA, I do object to HOW things are done, and HOW people are > being > >>>> treated. > >>>> More specifically how people who are not in full agreement with > the > >>>> current POCA president are being treated.A Let everyone focus > on that > >>>>> one< issue.A Correct that problem first, otherwise it will > taint any > >>>> and all (otherwise possibly good) suggestions for change within > POCA. > >>>> With the leak of this document, POCA members and non-members > alike > >>>> have > >>>> been given insight into just how POCA is currently being run.A > How the > >>>> PPM will respond will also be enlightening! > >>>> Sad, quite sad. > >>>> Here is an idea mentioned to me recently, perhaps if POCA wants > to > >>>> respond to statements, they could do so, but on their own > website, and > >>>> from their elected Public Relations guy (only), isn't that what > the PR > >>>> job entails? > >>>> (Sorry to poke at Ed Mendez the current POCA PR guy, as he must > have a > >>>> REALLY tough job, being elected to be the official POCA voice, > but > >>>> having less-than-accurate statements made by the current POCA > >>>> president > >>>> as IF he is the sole POCA voice.) > >>>> What a mess for the PR guy to be stuck with... > >>>> Chuck > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > >>>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > >>>> DeTomaso mailing list > >>>> [2][10][10]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > >>>> > [3][11][11]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > >>>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > etc.) > >>>> use the links above. > >>>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to > forward any > >>>> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of > the > >>>> list. 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Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
by scottcouchman＠yahoo.com 11 Jun '16

11 Jun '16

"You seem to be someone bound and determined to stir up trouble, up until now, I have tried to remain quiet, in your last diatribe, I think it was "until Michael Shortt stops messing with me" or something to that effect, you would stop having these fits of verbal and textual diarrhea. Frankly, I haven't given you another thought, you simply are not part of any equation on my worksheet. You simply are a waste of my time which could be better used for something to benefit the membership instead of dealing with what seems to be a clinically depressed, anti social personality type addicted to drama. That's changed, at the next BOD meeting I will be seeking to censure you as a member for violating our policies, for sharing BOD working emails and for not working within channels. I believe in an earlier email, Ed made the process very clear, go through your Chapter President or contact one of us directly, instead of posting your failures and inability to comprehend structure and civility. If you make another very poor decision to continue these actions, I will seek a second censure in 30 days and ask to remove you from this club. I am not the only one tried of your behavior, there are enough votes now in place to secure both outcomes. This is the last time that I will ask you to become a team player and use your energies to help make POCA a better club instead of trying to destroy it from within. Michael Shortt President POCA" Wow! Really? I thought this was a car club? > On Jun 6, 2016, at 8:42 AM, Rod Kunishige <rkunishige(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > Am I to be removed from the POCA? > Rod > > From: michaelsavga(a)gmail.com > Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 09:34:45 -0400 > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum > To: rkunishige(a)hotmail.com > CC: jpoca2(a)hotmail.com; JDeRyke(a)aol.com; MBGlobalSc(a)aol.com; jb841(a)cox.net; RREIDCPA(a)aol.com; paso750(a)gmail.com; qrtlow(a)gmail.com; edducati(a)mac.com > > > Mr. Kunishige, > > It appears the theme of a nicer, more friendly, and organized POCA which operates through channels escapes you. > > It also appears a sitting BOD member is sharing BOD ONLY emails with you, that member should know that > when I find them out, I will put forth a motion to censure them for violating BOD policy. > > Since you are not an elected member of the BOD, you are not entitled to our work emails, discussions or methodologies > used to arrive at how we do business, once formatted, discussed amongst ourselves, these same issues > are put forth in an agenda, discussed during an Open BOD meeting where all members can hear how we take care of business. > I think with the exception of the last 3 minutes of the last BOD meeting, it was an excellent example of how civil discourse > can happen even between people with disparate points of view. > > It is called a process, nothing happens by itself, I think the last 10 years of POCA pretty much proves that point. > > In regard to your past, an inability to maintain a job or to operate a business successfully relates to our situation how? > While owning a toy store would be a dream for somebody like me, everybody knows that 4 out of 5 new businesses fail in the first year > and of those, 4 out of 5 will never see a fifth year, so your chance of still operating a toy store for five years was only 10% at best. > Here is why most new businesses fail. > > 1 Incompetence > 46 % > Emotional Pricing > > Living too high for the business > > Nonpayment of taxes > > No knowledge of pricing > > Lack of planning > > No knowledge of financing > > No experience in record-keeping > 2 Unbalanced Experience or Lack of Managerial Experience > 30 % > Poor credit granting practices > > Expansion too rapid > > Inadequate borrowing practices > 3 Lack of Experiences in line of goods or services > 11 % > Carry inadequate inventory > > No knowledge of suppliers > > Wasted advertising budget > 5 Neglect, fraud, disaster > 1 % > > > > Nobody judges you, we have all had failures, if you don't try, that's the biggest failure of all. > > You seem to be someone bound and determined to stir up trouble, up until now, I have tried to > remain quiet, in your last diatribe, I think it was "until Michael Shortt stops messing with me" or something to that effect, > you would stop having these fits of verbal and textual diarrhea. > > Frankly, I haven't given you another thought, you simply are not part of any equation on my worksheet. > > You simply are a waste of my time which could be better used for something to benefit the membership instead of dealing > with what seems to be a clinically depressed, anti social personality type addicted to drama. > > That's changed, at the next BOD meeting I will be seeking to censure you as a member for violating our policies, for sharing > BOD working emails and for not working within channels. I believe in an earlier email, Ed made the process very clear, > go through your Chapter President or contact one of us directly, instead of posting your failures and inability to comprehend > structure and civility. > > If you make another very poor decision to continue these actions, I will seek a second censure in 30 days and ask to remove > you from this club. > > I am not the only one tried of your behavior, there are enough votes now in place to secure both outcomes. > > This is the last time that I will ask you to become a team player and use your energies to help make POCA a better club instead > of trying to destroy it from within. > > Michael Shortt > President > POCA > > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy > Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally > privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified > that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this > communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you > have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 6:22 AM, Ed Mendez <edducati(a)mac.com> wrote: > What part of “the email list should not be used to discuss POCA business”, "bring your grievances to your chapter president”, and “take it offline” did you not understand? > > By you copying members and non members of POCA on this email list with your grievances, and personal issues with Michael Shortt; you are placing the whole club in a negative light. This is adversely effecting the clubs ability to recruit new members. > > Copying the BOD. > > Kind regards, > > Ed > > > > > > On 6/06/2016, at 10:11, Rod Kunishige <rkunishige(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > Ed Menedez, > > > > You say that facts are clearly important to you. > > > > So, let me quote you some snippets taken directly from MS May 16, 2016 > > email Subject: Newsletter and Profiles printing/design henceforth: > > > > O/ Meanwhile, as a part of this change will also come full color > > printing on all pages in both the Newsletter / Profiles, a new printer, > > and mailing partner. > > > > O/ The existing printer will not print anything else for POCA > > after the June newsletter. > > > > O/ Your new printing partner is PrintingCenterUSA, > > > > O/ effective immediately we will begin to adopt layout > > designs/templa tes which will dedicate 20% of the total space to > > advertising content display. > > the Newsletter needs to be 32 total pages each month, 5 pages in total > > space needs to be evenly distributed in 1/8 page, 1/4, 1/3. & 1/2 page > > horitzontal ads and 1/2 page vertical ads plus a full page ad. > > > > O/ You will need to coordinate with Ed with proofs so that he will > > have the final say on ad placement before adthing is printed. > > > > O/ The vendor listings are to be removed. They will have to buy > > ads to reach our memb ers. > > > > O/ We also need to use ONLY the newly revised/cleaned up POCA Road > > Script and POCA crest. > > > > Completely detailed specifications are also set as fixed space > > allocations for both pubs without consideration for content > > adjustments. > > > > My view is that these are clearly directives not suggestions to > > consider to fellow POCA Board Members. > > > > Ed, should you wish to challenge these facts, Ill be most pleased to > > publish the email in its entirety so everyone may view it within its > > full context. > > NOTE: There seems to be a need to know the qualifications of the > > writers who post here. So, let me explain that my career of 35 years > > was in Information Technology ending as VP of IT. I also owned and > > operated a mailing house directing publications in the SF Bay Area for > > 4 years and owned and operated a 9,000 sq ft independent Toy Store for > > 5 years. Hope this helps the readers who wish to know my background. I > > LOVE this club and vendors. Its members have helped me throughout the > > decades. > > Rod > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Michael L. Shortt > Savannah, Georgia > www.michaelshortt.com > michael(a)michaelshortt.com > 912-232-9390 > > > This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy > Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally > privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified > that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this > communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you > have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you "You seem to be someone bound and determined to stir up trouble, up until now, I have tried to remain quiet, in your last diatribe, I think it was "until Michael Shortt stops messing with me" or something to that effect, you would stop having these fits of verbal and textual diarrhea. Frankly, I haven't given you another thought, you simply are not part of any equation on my worksheet. You simply are a waste of my time which could be better used for something to benefit the membership instead of dealing with what seems to be a clinically depressed, anti social personality type addicted to drama. That's changed, at the next BOD meeting I will be seeking to censure you as a member for violating our policies, for sharing BOD working emails and for not working within channels. I believe in an earlier email, Ed made the process very clear, go through your Chapter President or contact one of us directly, instead of posting your failures and inability to comprehend structure and civility. If you make another very poor decision to continue these actions, I will seek a second censure in 30 days and ask to remove you from this club. I am not the only one tried of your behavior, there are enough votes now in place to secure both outcomes. This is the last time that I will ask you to become a team player and use your energies to help make POCA a better club instead of trying to destroy it from within. Michael Shortt President POCA" Wow! Really? I thought this was a car club? On Jun 6, 2016, at 8:42 AM, Rod Kunishige <[1]rkunishige(a)hotmail.com> wrote: Am I to be removed from the POCA? Rod __________________________________________________________________ From: [2]michaelsavga(a)gmail.com Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 09:34:45 -0400 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum To: [3]rkunishige(a)hotmail.com CC: [4]jpoca2(a)hotmail.com; [5]JDeRyke(a)aol.com; [6]MBGlobalSc(a)aol.com; [7]jb841(a)cox.net; [8]RREIDCPA(a)aol.com; [9]paso750(a)gmail.com; [10]qrtlow(a)gmail.com; [11]edducati(a)mac.com Mr. Kunishige, It appears the theme of a nicer, more friendly, and organized POCA which operates through channels escapes you. It also appears a sitting BOD member is sharing BOD ONLY emails with you, that member should know that when I find them out, I will put forth a motion to censure them for violating BOD policy. Since you are not an elected member of the BOD, you are not entitled to our work emails, discussions or methodologies used to arrive at how we do business, once formatted, discussed amongst ourselves, these same issues are put forth in an agenda, discussed during an Open BOD meeting where all members can hear how we take care of business. I think with the exception of the last 3 minutes of the last BOD meeting, it was an excellent example of how civil discourse can happen even between people with disparate points of view. It is called a process, nothing happens by itself, I think the last 10 years of POCA pretty much proves that point. In regard to your past, an inability to maintain a job or to operate a business successfully relates to our situation how? While owning a toy store would be a dream for somebody like me, everybody knows that 4 out of 5 new businesses fail in the first year and of those, 4 out of 5 will never see a fifth year, so your chance of still operating a toy store for five years was only 10% at best. Here is why most new businesses fail. 1 Incompetence 46 % Emotional Pricing Living too high for the business Nonpayment of taxes No knowledge of pricing Lack of planning No knowledge of financing No experience in record-keeping 2 Unbalanced Experience or Lack of Managerial Experience 30 % Poor credit granting practices Expansion too rapid Inadequate borrowing practices 3 Lack of Experiences in line of goods or services 11 % Carry inadequate inventory No knowledge of suppliers Wasted advertising budget 5 Neglect, fraud, disaster 1 % Nobody judges you, we have all had failures, if you don't try, that's the biggest failure of all. You seem to be someone bound and determined to stir up trouble, up until now, I have tried to remain quiet, in your last diatribe, I think it was "until Michael Shortt stops messing with me" or something to that effect, you would stop having these fits of verbal and textual diarrhea. Frankly, I haven't given you another thought, you simply are not part of any equation on my worksheet. You simply are a waste of my time which could be better used for something to benefit the membership instead of dealing with what seems to be a clinically depressed, anti social personality type addicted to drama. That's changed, at the next BOD meeting I will be seeking to censure you as a member for violating our policies, for sharing BOD working emails and for not working within channels. I believe in an earlier email, Ed made the process very clear, go through your Chapter President or contact one of us directly, instead of posting your failures and inability to comprehend structure and civility. If you make another very poor decision to continue these actions, I will seek a second censure in 30 days and ask to remove you from this club. I am not the only one tried of your behavior, there are enough votes now in place to secure both outcomes. This is the last time that I will ask you to become a team player and use your energies to help make POCA a better club instead of trying to destroy it from within. Michael Shortt President POCA This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 6:22 AM, Ed Mendez <[12]edducati(a)mac.com> wrote: What part of "the email list should not be used to discuss POCA business", "bring your grievances to your chapter president", and "take it offline" did you not understand? By you copying members and non members of POCA on this email list with your grievances, and personal issues with Michael Shortt; you are placing the whole club in a negative light. This is adversely effecting the clubs ability to recruit new members. Copying the BOD. Kind regards, Ed > On 6/06/2016, at 10:11, Rod Kunishige <[13]rkunishige(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > Ed Menedez, > > You say that facts are clearly important to you. > > So, let me quote you some snippets taken directly from MS May 16, 2016 > email Subject: Newsletter and Profiles printing/design henceforth: > > O/ Meanwhile, as a part of this change will also come full color > printing on all pages in both the Newsletter / Profiles, a new printer, > and mailing partner. > > O/ The existing printer will not print anything else for POCA > after the June newsletter. > > O/ Your new printing partner is PrintingCenterUSA, > > O/ effective immediately we will begin to adopt layout > designs/templa tes which will dedicate 20% of the total space to > advertising content display. > the Newsletter needs to be 32 total pages each month, 5 pages in total > space needs to be evenly distributed in 1/8 page, 1/4, 1/3. & 1/2 page > horitzontal ads and 1/2 page vertical ads plus a full page ad. > > O/ You will need to coordinate with Ed with proofs so that he will > have the final say on ad placement before adthing is printed. > > O/ The vendor listings are to be removed. They will have to buy > ads to reach our memb ers. > > O/ We also need to use ONLY the newly revised/cleaned up POCA Road > Script and POCA crest. > > Completely detailed specifications are also set as fixed space > allocations for both pubs without consideration for content > adjustments. > > My view is that these are clearly directives not suggestions to > consider to fellow POCA Board Members. > > Ed, should you wish to challenge these facts, Ill be most pleased to > publish the email in its entirety so everyone may view it within its > full context. > NOTE: There seems to be a need to know the qualifications of the > writers who post here. So, let me explain that my career of 35 years > was in Information Technology ending as VP of IT. I also owned and > operated a mailing house directing publications in the SF Bay Area for > 4 years and owned and operated a 9,000 sq ft independent Toy Store for > 5 years. Hope this helps the readers who wish to know my background. 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Help with posting on the POCA Forum
by cengles＠cox.net 11 Jun '16

11 Jun '16

Dear Forum, I am keen to reply to Mr. Michael Shortt's posting in the Publications Forum of the POCA Forums. From what I think, I am supposed to be automatically subscribed to post and reply on the General Discussion sub forums. Alas, I am stymied. I to see that others have responded to his posting. Help? Warmest regards, Chuck Engles

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Great Pantera in commercial....
by Larry Finch 11 Jun '16

11 Jun '16

All, IF the red car is a Pantera - I’m still not convinced - then there are TWO Panteras in that video. There is also a longer version of the video on you tube, which is where I first noticed the second Pantera. Reviewing the earlier, shorter video posted by Mike ,I can now see the second Pantera in at least two frames. This time, there is no doubt it is a Pantera. If you find it, tell me what is wrong with the treatment of the rear end on the car. Larry https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-MrX_0ko4U

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Re: [DeTomaso] Short video
by Rob Dumoulin 10 Jun '16

10 Jun '16

"After the "accidental" clutch release, I think you gained about 40 Pantera fans on both sides of the road!" .... And required 15 spectators to have to change their shorts too! "After the "accidental" clutch release, I think you gained about 40 Pantera fans on both sides of the road!" .... And required 15 spectators to have to change their shorts too!

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Re: [DeTomaso] Great things that have happened because of This List (ma...
by P6746＠aol.com 10 Jun '16

10 Jun '16

And who can forget PONE Express II (the club's weed whacker powered blender), and making Jim Wallace's mango daiquiris in the parking lot at the motel, which we washed down with beer. Ah, those were the days. Bob Reid In a message dated 6/9/2016 4:45:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com writes: Forest and Georgene introduced to Panteras by taking me to an Italian car event at the Pocono race track. Needless to say Forest had found me a Pantera in less than two months. The rest is history. Thru the Pantera community, I have met many great and giving people. At one time we had 5 Panteras in a town of 7,000 people. Now we are down to 3 Panteras in town. Mark On Thursday, June 9, 2016 3:45 PM, Paul Timko <thedrol(a)pobox.com> wrote: I have a Forest story too. Back when this list was new, I used to travel to Boston and Albany to visit customers. Forest offered his home and hospitality if I was around on the weekends. Then again, Pantera folks everywhere were always welcoming. I spent quite of bit of time with a bunch of different people in SoCal back then too. Paul #9270 On 6/9/2016 2:24 PM, Charles McCall wrote: > Isn't this what Pantera ownership and common interests is all about? > > > From: P6746(a)aol.com [mailto:P6746@aol.com] > Sent: jueves, 9 de junio de 2016 21:24 > To: pantera_4220(a)yahoo.com; rgg(a)gregorycook.com; > charlesmccall(a)gmail.com; detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com; > forest.majors(a)gmail.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Great things that have happened because of This > List (ma... > > > I really have to add to the Forest and Goergene stories. For several > years it seemed that Carol and I, Ken and Nancy Ridley, and Jim Wallace > had our own rooms in the Majors house. We would meet there for a > weekend of fun and food and a car show in their back yard. Ironically > I first met Forest on a bus on the 17 Mile Drive at Pebble Beach. > Wonderful people, as are most Pantera folks. Bob Reid > > > In a message dated 6/9/2016 2:26:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [1]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com writes: > > Guys... > Ok here is only one of my Forest stories and I have plenty....I > bought an RX-7 and it needed a transmission, took the car to > Forest's house to use the lift to take the car apart (see picture > attached with car, Forest and Georgene) we pulled the tranny and he > shipped down to Ole Saybrook to have it rebuilt. They he went and > picked it back up again for me as the car sat on his lift for two > weeks. We must have pulled that tranny about three more time over > the next year and a half. Can't tell you how many time I stayed at > the house over the weekend to work on my car. > The nicest people you can ever have in your stable (Same for Mark > Skwarek aka the professor "TPR") > Jim > From: Gray Gregory <[2]rgg(a)gregorycook.com> > To: Charles McCall <[3]charlesmccall(a)gmail.com>; > "[4]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" > <[5]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2016 2:13 PM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Great things that have happened because of > This List (many moons ago) > > Charlie, > I remember all those events, or at least your emails to the list > about them back then. I also remember Forest Majors; absolutely one > of the finest people you could ever hope to meet! > My Forest story is somewhat similar. Back about that same time frame > I signed up for a vintage car rally in New England with an old > Ferrari I had at the time. Forest (who I had never met in person > either) sent me an email offer any help I might need with the > logistics of dropping my car off or getting it picked back up etc. > Long story short not only did I have the car shipped to Forests > house where he kindly stored it in the barn he was also gracious > enough to pick me up from the airport, put me up in his guest room > and he even had a back yard New England lobster boil with some of > the local car guys to welcome the Texan to town. I ended up doing > that rally for 3 or 4 years in a row and staying with Forest and > Georgene became a tradition each year I ran it. > Thanks for the memories, > Gray > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [[6]mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] > On Behalf Of Charles McCall > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2016 9:09 AM > To: [7]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] Great things that have happened because of This > List (many moons ago) > This morning I posted on Facebook a flashback from 1997 or 1998 - > see attached photo. It's a picture of my first Pantera parked on the > streets of Paris with US plates on the back and the Eiffel Tower in > the background. > Thanks to Mike Drew for convincing me to have an adventure in my > Pantera and ship it, as this decision opened up a whole world to me > and helped define my philosophy for the next decades... The number > of adventures I've had since then in a Pantera... > At the time, I had recently been transferred to France, and flew > back to the US to put my former '72 Pantera on a boat to ship it > over (See article in 1999 POCA Profiles about shipping a Pantera to > France for what was supposed to be a 6-month assignment...) > While driving the car from Collector's Choice in Wisconsin to NY and > the ship, it developed an engine problem. I was stranded on the NYS > Thruway and ended up having the car towed to my parents' house in > Syracuse, NY. Long story made short - I already had my return > airline ticket, and had to leave the car behind. A local garage > found that the problem was the dreaded distributor shear pin that > had, well, sheared, and left me stranded. > Forest Majors - who I had never met (and still haven't!) but had > gotten to know thanks to the e-mail forum sent me a note out of the > blue asking how he could help. I had a friend drive my car shipped > to his house in CT, where Forest was kind enough to fix some minor > things that he noticed along the way that were quite helpful, and > stored the car for me until it could be delivered to the port. If I > remember correctly, he even pulled a few parts off a spare Pantera > he had to help me be on my way. > People I had never met in person - Mike Drew and Forest Majors - who > each did a good deed for someone they didn't know personally either > but had come to "know" virtually, asking for nothing in return. > I still see a lot of that spirit on this list today, which is no > doubt one reason for its success. Thanks to all who make it so! > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [8]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > [9]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > etc.) use the links above. > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward > any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of > the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an > archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > > Guys... > Ok here is only one of my Forest stories and I have plenty....I > bought > an RX-7 and it needed a transmission, took the car to Forest's > house to > use the lift to take the car apart (see picture attached with > car, > Forest and Georgene) we pulled the tranny and he shipped down to > Ole > Saybrook to have it rebuilt. They he went and picked it back up > again > for me as the car sat on his lift for two weeks. We must have > pulled > that tranny about three more time over the next year and a half. > Can't > tell you how many time I stayed at the house over the weekend to > work > on my car. > The nicest people you can ever have in your stable (Same for Mark > Skwarek aka the professor "TPR") > Jim > > __________________________________________________________________ > From: Gray Gregory <[10]rgg(a)gregorycook.com> > To: Charles McCall <[11]charlesmccall(a)gmail.com>; > "[12]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" > <[13]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2016 2:13 PM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Great things that have happened because > of This > List (many moons ago) > Charlie, > I remember all those events, or at least your emails to the list > about > them back then. I also remember Forest Majors; absolutely one of > the > finest people you could ever hope to meet! > My Forest story is somewhat similar. Back about that same time > frame I > signed up for a vintage car rally in New England with an old > Ferrari I > had at the time. Forest (who I had never met in person either) > sent me > an email offer any help I might need with the logistics of > dropping my > car off or getting it picked back up etc. Long story short not > only did > I have the car shipped to Forests house where he kindly stored it > in > the barn he was also gracious enough to pick me up from the > airport, > put me up in his guest room and he even had a back yard New > England > lobster boil with some of the local car guys to welcome the Texan > to > town. I ended up doing that rally for 3 or 4 years in a row and > staying > with Forest and Georgene became a tradition each year I ran it. > Thanks for the memories, > Gray > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso > [mailto:[1][14]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On > Behalf Of Charles McCall > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2016 9:09 AM > To: [2][15]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] Great things that have happened because of > This > List (many moons ago) > This morning I posted on Facebook a flashback from 1997 or 1998 - > see > attached photo. It's a picture of my first Pantera parked on the > streets of Paris with US plates on the back and the Eiffel Tower > in the > background. > Thanks to Mike Drew for convincing me to have an adventure in my > Pantera and ship it, as this decision opened up a whole world to > me and > helped define my philosophy for the next decades... The number of > adventures I've had since then in a Pantera... > At the time, I had recently been transferred to France, and flew > back > to the US to put my former '72 Pantera on a boat to ship it over > (See > article in 1999 POCA Profiles about shipping a Pantera to France > for > what was supposed to be a 6-month assignment...) > While driving the car from Collector's Choice in Wisconsin to NY > and > the ship, it developed an engine problem. I was stranded on the > NYS > Thruway and ended up having the car towed to my parents' house in > Syracuse, NY. Long story made short - I already had my return > airline > ticket, and had to leave the car behind. A local garage found > that the > problem was the dreaded distributor shear pin that had, well, > sheared, > and left me stranded. > Forest Majors - who I had never met (and still haven't!) but had > gotten > to know thanks to the e-mail fA^3rum sent me a note out of the > blue > asking how he could help. I had a friend drive my car shipped to > his > house in CT, where Forest was kind enough to fix some minor > things that > he noticed along the way that were quite helpful, and stored the > car > for me until it could be delivered to the port. If I remember > correctly, he even pulled a few parts off a spare Pantera he had > to > help me be on my way. > People I had never met in person - Mike Drew and Forest Majors - > who > each did a good deed for someone they didn't know personally > either but > had come to "know" virtually, asking for nothing in return. > I still see a lot of that spirit on this list today, which is no > doubt > one reason for its success. Thanks to all who make it so! > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [3][16]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > [4][17]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > etc.) > use the links above. > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to > forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of > the > list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an > archive > or approve the archiving of list messages. > References > 1. [18]mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com > 2. [19]mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 3. [20]mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 4. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an > archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > > References > > 1. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 2. mailto:rgg@gregorycook.com > 3. mailto:charlesmccall@gmail.com > 4. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 5. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 6. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com > 7. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 8. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 9. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > 10. mailto:rgg@gregorycook.com > 11. mailto:charlesmccall@gmail.com > 12. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 13. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 14. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com > 15. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 16. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 17. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > 18. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com > 19. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 20. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 21. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > 22. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 23. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Forest and Georgene introduced to Panteras by taking me to an Italian car event at the Pocono race track. Needless to say Forest had found me a Pantera in less than two months. The rest is history. Thru the Pantera community, I have met many great and giving people. At one time we had 5 Panteras in a town of 7,000 people. Now we are down to 3 Panteras in town. Mark On Thursday, June 9, 2016 3:45 PM, Paul Timko <thedrol(a)pobox.com> wrote: I have a Forest story too. Back when this list was new, I used to travel to Boston and Albany to visit customers. Forest offered his home and hospitality if I was around on the weekends. Then again, Pantera folks everywhere were always welcoming. I spent quite of bit of time with a bunch of different people in SoCal back then too. Paul #9270 On 6/9/2016 2:24 PM, Charles McCall wrote: > Isn't this what Pantera ownership and common interests is all about? > > > From: [1]P6746(a)aol.com [mailto:[2]P6746@aol.com] > Sent: jueves, 9 de junio de 2016 21:24 > To: [3]pantera_4220(a)yahoo.com; [4]rgg(a)gregorycook.com; > [5]charlesmccall(a)gmail.com; [6]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com; > [7]forest.majors(a)gmail.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Great things that have happened because of This > List (ma... > > > I really have to add to the Forest and Goergene stories. For several > years it seemed that Carol and I, Ken and Nancy Ridley, and Jim Wallace > had our own rooms in the Majors house. We would meet there for a > weekend of fun and food and a car show in their back yard. Ironically > I first met Forest on a bus on the 17 Mile Drive at Pebble Beach. > Wonderful people, as are most Pantera folks. Bob Reid > > > In a message dated 6/9/2016 2:26:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [1][8]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com writes: > > Guys... > Ok here is only one of my Forest stories and I have plenty....I > bought an RX-7 and it needed a transmission, took the car to > Forest's house to use the lift to take the car apart (see picture > attached with car, Forest and Georgene) we pulled the tranny and he > shipped down to Ole Saybrook to have it rebuilt. They he went and > picked it back up again for me as the car sat on his lift for two > weeks. We must have pulled that tranny about three more time over > the next year and a half. Can't tell you how many time I stayed at > the house over the weekend to work on my car. > The nicest people you can ever have in your stable (Same for Mark > Skwarek aka the professor "TPR") > Jim > From: Gray Gregory <[2][9]rgg(a)gregorycook.com> > To: Charles McCall <[3][10]charlesmccall(a)gmail.com>; > "[4][11]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" > <[5][12]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2016 2:13 PM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Great things that have happened because of > This List (many moons ago) > > Charlie, > I remember all those events, or at least your emails to the list > about them back then. I also remember Forest Majors; absolutely one > of the finest people you could ever hope to meet! > My Forest story is somewhat similar. Back about that same time frame > I signed up for a vintage car rally in New England with an old > Ferrari I had at the time. Forest (who I had never met in person > either) sent me an email offer any help I might need with the > logistics of dropping my car off or getting it picked back up etc. > Long story short not only did I have the car shipped to Forests > house where he kindly stored it in the barn he was also gracious > enough to pick me up from the airport, put me up in his guest room > and he even had a back yard New England lobster boil with some of > the local car guys to welcome the Texan to town. I ended up doing > that rally for 3 or 4 years in a row and staying with Forest and > Georgene became a tradition each year I ran it. > Thanks for the memories, > Gray > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [[6]mailto:[13]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] > On Behalf Of Charles McCall > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2016 9:09 AM > To: [7][14]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] Great things that have happened because of This > List (many moons ago) > This morning I posted on Facebook a flashback from 1997 or 1998 - > see attached photo. It's a picture of my first Pantera parked on the > streets of Paris with US plates on the back and the Eiffel Tower in > the background. > Thanks to Mike Drew for convincing me to have an adventure in my > Pantera and ship it, as this decision opened up a whole world to me > and helped define my philosophy for the next decades... The number > of adventures I've had since then in a Pantera... > At the time, I had recently been transferred to France, and flew > back to the US to put my former '72 Pantera on a boat to ship it > over (See article in 1999 POCA Profiles about shipping a Pantera to > France for what was supposed to be a 6-month assignment...) > While driving the car from Collector's Choice in Wisconsin to NY and > the ship, it developed an engine problem. I was stranded on the NYS > Thruway and ended up having the car towed to my parents' house in > Syracuse, NY. Long story made short - I already had my return > airline ticket, and had to leave the car behind. A local garage > found that the problem was the dreaded distributor shear pin that > had, well, sheared, and left me stranded. > Forest Majors - who I had never met (and still haven't!) but had > gotten to know thanks to the e-mail forum sent me a note out of the > blue asking how he could help. I had a friend drive my car shipped > to his house in CT, where Forest was kind enough to fix some minor > things that he noticed along the way that were quite helpful, and > stored the car for me until it could be delivered to the port. If I > remember correctly, he even pulled a few parts off a spare Pantera > he had to help me be on my way. > People I had never met in person - Mike Drew and Forest Majors - who > each did a good deed for someone they didn't know personally either > but had come to "know" virtually, asking for nothing in return. > I still see a lot of that spirit on this list today, which is no > doubt one reason for its success. Thanks to all who make it so! > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [8][15]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > [9][16]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > etc.) use the links above. > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward > any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of > the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an > archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > > Guys... > Ok here is only one of my Forest stories and I have plenty....I > bought > an RX-7 and it needed a transmission, took the car to Forest's > house to > use the lift to take the car apart (see picture attached with > car, > Forest and Georgene) we pulled the tranny and he shipped down to > Ole > Saybrook to have it rebuilt. They he went and picked it back up > again > for me as the car sat on his lift for two weeks. We must have > pulled > that tranny about three more time over the next year and a half. > Can't > tell you how many time I stayed at the house over the weekend to > work > on my car. > The nicest people you can ever have in your stable (Same for Mark > Skwarek aka the professor "TPR") > Jim > > __________________________________________________________________ > From: Gray Gregory <[10][17]rgg(a)gregorycook.com> > To: Charles McCall <[11][18]charlesmccall(a)gmail.com>; > "[12][19]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" > <[13][20]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2016 2:13 PM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Great things that have happened because > of This > List (many moons ago) > Charlie, > I remember all those events, or at least your emails to the list > about > them back then. I also remember Forest Majors; absolutely one of > the > finest people you could ever hope to meet! > My Forest story is somewhat similar. Back about that same time > frame I > signed up for a vintage car rally in New England with an old > Ferrari I > had at the time. Forest (who I had never met in person either) > sent me > an email offer any help I might need with the logistics of > dropping my > car off or getting it picked back up etc. Long story short not > only did > I have the car shipped to Forests house where he kindly stored it > in > the barn he was also gracious enough to pick me up from the > airport, > put me up in his guest room and he even had a back yard New > England > lobster boil with some of the local car guys to welcome the Texan > to > town. I ended up doing that rally for 3 or 4 years in a row and > staying > with Forest and Georgene became a tradition each year I ran it. > Thanks for the memories, > Gray > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso > [mailto:[1][14][21]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On > Behalf Of Charles McCall > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2016 9:09 AM > To: [2][15][22]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] Great things that have happened because of > This > List (many moons ago) > This morning I posted on Facebook a flashback from 1997 or 1998 - > see > attached photo. It's a picture of my first Pantera parked on the > streets of Paris with US plates on the back and the Eiffel Tower > in the > background. > Thanks to Mike Drew for convincing me to have an adventure in my > Pantera and ship it, as this decision opened up a whole world to > me and > helped define my philosophy for the next decades... The number of > adventures I've had since then in a Pantera... > At the time, I had recently been transferred to France, and flew > back > to the US to put my former '72 Pantera on a boat to ship it over > (See > article in 1999 POCA Profiles about shipping a Pantera to France > for > what was supposed to be a 6-month assignment...) > While driving the car from Collector's Choice in Wisconsin to NY > and > the ship, it developed an engine problem. I was stranded on the > NYS > Thruway and ended up having the car towed to my parents' house in > Syracuse, NY. Long story made short - I already had my return > airline > ticket, and had to leave the car behind. A local garage found > that the > problem was the dreaded distributor shear pin that had, well, > sheared, > and left me stranded. > Forest Majors - who I had never met (and still haven't!) but had > gotten > to know thanks to the e-mail fA^3rum sent me a note out of the > blue > asking how he could help. I had a friend drive my car shipped to > his > house in CT, where Forest was kind enough to fix some minor > things that > he noticed along the way that were quite helpful, and stored the > car > for me until it could be delivered to the port. If I remember > correctly, he even pulled a few parts off a spare Pantera he had > to > help me be on my way. > People I had never met in person - Mike Drew and Forest Majors - > who > each did a good deed for someone they didn't know personally > either but > had come to "know" virtually, asking for nothing in return. > I still see a lot of that spirit on this list today, which is no > doubt > one reason for its success. 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Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. And who can forget PONE Express II (the club's weed whacker powered blender), and making Jim Wallace's mango daiquiris in the parking lot at the motel, which we washed down with beer. Ah, those were the days. Bob Reid In a message dated 6/9/2016 4:45:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com writes: Forest and Georgene introduced to Panteras by taking me to an Italian car event at the Pocono race track. Needless to say Forest had found me a Pantera in less than two months. The rest is history. Thru the Pantera community, I have met many great and giving people. At one time we had 5 Panteras in a town of 7,000 people. Now we are down to 3 Panteras in town. Mark On Thursday, June 9, 2016 3:45 PM, Paul Timko <thedrol(a)pobox.com> wrote: I have a Forest story too. Back when this list was new, I used to travel to Boston and Albany to visit customers. Forest offered his home and hospitality if I was around on the weekends. Then again, Pantera folks everywhere were always welcoming. I spent quite of bit of time with a bunch of different people in SoCal back then too. Paul #9270 On 6/9/2016 2:24 PM, Charles McCall wrote: > Isn't this what Pantera ownership and common interests is all about? > > > From: P6746(a)aol.com [mailto:P6746@aol.com] > Sent: jueves, 9 de junio de 2016 21:24 > To: pantera_4220(a)yahoo.com; rgg(a)gregorycook.com; > charlesmccall(a)gmail.com; detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com; > forest.majors(a)gmail.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Great things that have happened because of This > List (ma... > > > I really have to add to the Forest and Goergene stories. For several > years it seemed that Carol and I, Ken and Nancy Ridley, and Jim Wallace > had our own rooms in the Majors house. We would meet there for a > weekend of fun and food and a car show in their back yard. Ironically > I first met Forest on a bus on the 17 Mile Drive at Pebble Beach. > Wonderful people, as are most Pantera folks. Bob Reid > > > In a message dated 6/9/2016 2:26:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [1]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com writes: > > Guys... > Ok here is only one of my Forest stories and I have plenty....I > bought an RX-7 and it needed a transmission, took the car to > Forest's house to use the lift to take the car apart (see picture > attached with car, Forest and Georgene) we pulled the tranny and he > shipped down to Ole Saybrook to have it rebuilt. They he went and > picked it back up again for me as the car sat on his lift for two > weeks. We must have pulled that tranny about three more time over > the next year and a half. Can't tell you how many time I stayed at > the house over the weekend to work on my car. > The nicest people you can ever have in your stable (Same for Mark > Skwarek aka the professor "TPR") > Jim > From: Gray Gregory <[2]rgg(a)gregorycook.com> > To: Charles McCall <[3]charlesmccall(a)gmail.com>; > "[4]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" > <[5]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2016 2:13 PM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Great things that have happened because of > This List (many moons ago) > > Charlie, > I remember all those events, or at least your emails to the list > about them back then. I also remember Forest Majors; absolutely one > of the finest people you could ever hope to meet! > My Forest story is somewhat similar. Back about that same time frame > I signed up for a vintage car rally in New England with an old > Ferrari I had at the time. Forest (who I had never met in person > either) sent me an email offer any help I might need with the > logistics of dropping my car off or getting it picked back up etc. > Long story short not only did I have the car shipped to Forests > house where he kindly stored it in the barn he was also gracious > enough to pick me up from the airport, put me up in his guest room > and he even had a back yard New England lobster boil with some of > the local car guys to welcome the Texan to town. I ended up doing > that rally for 3 or 4 years in a row and staying with Forest and > Georgene became a tradition each year I ran it. > Thanks for the memories, > Gray > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [[6]mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] > On Behalf Of Charles McCall > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2016 9:09 AM > To: [7]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] Great things that have happened because of This > List (many moons ago) > This morning I posted on Facebook a flashback from 1997 or 1998 - > see attached photo. It's a picture of my first Pantera parked on the > streets of Paris with US plates on the back and the Eiffel Tower in > the background. > Thanks to Mike Drew for convincing me to have an adventure in my > Pantera and ship it, as this decision opened up a whole world to me > and helped define my philosophy for the next decades... The number > of adventures I've had since then in a Pantera... > At the time, I had recently been transferred to France, and flew > back to the US to put my former '72 Pantera on a boat to ship it > over (See article in 1999 POCA Profiles about shipping a Pantera to > France for what was supposed to be a 6-month assignment...) > While driving the car from Collector's Choice in Wisconsin to NY and > the ship, it developed an engine problem. I was stranded on the NYS > Thruway and ended up having the car towed to my parents' house in > Syracuse, NY. Long story made short - I already had my return > airline ticket, and had to leave the car behind. A local garage > found that the problem was the dreaded distributor shear pin that > had, well, sheared, and left me stranded. > Forest Majors - who I had never met (and still haven't!) but had > gotten to know thanks to the e-mail forum sent me a note out of the > blue asking how he could help. I had a friend drive my car shipped > to his house in CT, where Forest was kind enough to fix some minor > things that he noticed along the way that were quite helpful, and > stored the car for me until it could be delivered to the port. If I > remember correctly, he even pulled a few parts off a spare Pantera > he had to help me be on my way. > People I had never met in person - Mike Drew and Forest Majors - who > each did a good deed for someone they didn't know personally either > but had come to "know" virtually, asking for nothing in return. > I still see a lot of that spirit on this list today, which is no > doubt one reason for its success. Thanks to all who make it so! > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [8]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > [9]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > etc.) use the links above. > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward > any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of > the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an > archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > > Guys... > Ok here is only one of my Forest stories and I have plenty....I > bought > an RX-7 and it needed a transmission, took the car to Forest's > house to > use the lift to take the car apart (see picture attached with > car, > Forest and Georgene) we pulled the tranny and he shipped down to > Ole > Saybrook to have it rebuilt. They he went and picked it back up > again > for me as the car sat on his lift for two weeks. We must have > pulled > that tranny about three more time over the next year and a half. > Can't > tell you how many time I stayed at the house over the weekend to > work > on my car. > The nicest people you can ever have in your stable (Same for Mark > Skwarek aka the professor "TPR") > Jim > > __________________________________________________________________ > From: Gray Gregory <[10]rgg(a)gregorycook.com> > To: Charles McCall <[11]charlesmccall(a)gmail.com>; > "[12]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" > <[13]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2016 2:13 PM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Great things that have happened because > of This > List (many moons ago) > Charlie, > I remember all those events, or at least your emails to the list > about > them back then. I also remember Forest Majors; absolutely one of > the > finest people you could ever hope to meet! > My Forest story is somewhat similar. Back about that same time > frame I > signed up for a vintage car rally in New England with an old > Ferrari I > had at the time. Forest (who I had never met in person either) > sent me > an email offer any help I might need with the logistics of > dropping my > car off or getting it picked back up etc. Long story short not > only did > I have the car shipped to Forests house where he kindly stored it > in > the barn he was also gracious enough to pick me up from the > airport, > put me up in his guest room and he even had a back yard New > England > lobster boil with some of the local car guys to welcome the Texan > to > town. I ended up doing that rally for 3 or 4 years in a row and > staying > with Forest and Georgene became a tradition each year I ran it. > Thanks for the memories, > Gray > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso > [mailto:[1][14]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On > Behalf Of Charles McCall > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2016 9:09 AM > To: [2][15]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] Great things that have happened because of > This > List (many moons ago) > This morning I posted on Facebook a flashback from 1997 or 1998 - > see > attached photo. It's a picture of my first Pantera parked on the > streets of Paris with US plates on the back and the Eiffel Tower > in the > background. > Thanks to Mike Drew for convincing me to have an adventure in my > Pantera and ship it, as this decision opened up a whole world to > me and > helped define my philosophy for the next decades... The number of > adventures I've had since then in a Pantera... > At the time, I had recently been transferred to France, and flew > back > to the US to put my former '72 Pantera on a boat to ship it over > (See > article in 1999 POCA Profiles about shipping a Pantera to France > for > what was supposed to be a 6-month assignment...) > While driving the car from Collector's Choice in Wisconsin to NY > and > the ship, it developed an engine problem. I was stranded on the > NYS > Thruway and ended up having the car towed to my parents' house in > Syracuse, NY. Long story made short - I already had my return > airline > ticket, and had to leave the car behind. A local garage found > that the > problem was the dreaded distributor shear pin that had, well, > sheared, > and left me stranded. > Forest Majors - who I had never met (and still haven't!) but had > gotten > to know thanks to the e-mail fA^3rum sent me a note out of the > blue > asking how he could help. I had a friend drive my car shipped to > his > house in CT, where Forest was kind enough to fix some minor > things that > he noticed along the way that were quite helpful, and stored the > car > for me until it could be delivered to the port. If I remember > correctly, he even pulled a few parts off a spare Pantera he had > to > help me be on my way. > People I had never met in person - Mike Drew and Forest Majors - > who > each did a good deed for someone they didn't know personally > either but > had come to "know" virtually, asking for nothing in return. > I still see a lot of that spirit on this list today, which is no > doubt > one reason for its success. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Forest and Georgene introduced to Panteras by taking me to an Italian car event at the Pocono race track. Needless to say Forest had found me a Pantera in less than two months. The rest is history. Thru the Pantera community, I have met many great and giving people. At one time we had 5 Panteras in a town of 7,000 people. Now we are down to 3 Panteras in town. Mark On Thursday, June 9, 2016 3:45 PM, Paul Timko <thedrol(a)pobox.com> wrote: I have a Forest story too. Back when this list was new, I used to travel to Boston and Albany to visit customers. Forest offered his home and hospitality if I was around on the weekends. Then again, Pantera folks everywhere were always welcoming. I spent quite of bit of time with a bunch of different people in SoCal back then too. Paul #9270 On 6/9/2016 2:24 PM, Charles McCall wrote: > Isn't this what Pantera ownership and common interests is all about? > > > From: [1]P6746(a)aol.com [mailto:[2]P6746@aol.com] > Sent: jueves, 9 de junio de 2016 21:24 > To: [3]pantera_4220(a)yahoo.com; [4]rgg(a)gregorycook.com; > [5]charlesmccall(a)gmail.com; [6]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com; > [7]forest.majors(a)gmail.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Great things that have happened because of This > List (ma... > > > I really have to add to the Forest and Goergene stories. For several > years it seemed that Carol and I, Ken and Nancy Ridley, and Jim Wallace > had our own rooms in the Majors house. We would meet there for a > weekend of fun and food and a car show in their back yard. Ironically > I first met Forest on a bus on the 17 Mile Drive at Pebble Beach. > Wonderful people, as are most Pantera folks. Bob Reid > > > In a message dated 6/9/2016 2:26:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [1][8]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com writes: > > Guys... > Ok here is only one of my Forest stories and I have plenty....I > bought an RX-7 and it needed a transmission, took the car to > Forest's house to use the lift to take the car apart (see picture > attached with car, Forest and Georgene) we pulled the tranny and he > shipped down to Ole Saybrook to have it rebuilt. They he went and > picked it back up again for me as the car sat on his lift for two > weeks. We must have pulled that tranny about three more time over > the next year and a half. Can't tell you how many time I stayed at > the house over the weekend to work on my car. > The nicest people you can ever have in your stable (Same for Mark > Skwarek aka the professor "TPR") > Jim > From: Gray Gregory <[2][9]rgg(a)gregorycook.com> > To: Charles McCall <[3][10]charlesmccall(a)gmail.com>; > "[4][11]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" > <[5][12]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2016 2:13 PM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Great things that have happened because of > This List (many moons ago) > > Charlie, > I remember all those events, or at least your emails to the list > about them back then. I also remember Forest Majors; absolutely one > of the finest people you could ever hope to meet! > My Forest story is somewhat similar. Back about that same time frame > I signed up for a vintage car rally in New England with an old > Ferrari I had at the time. Forest (who I had never met in person > either) sent me an email offer any help I might need with the > logistics of dropping my car off or getting it picked back up etc. > Long story short not only did I have the car shipped to Forests > house where he kindly stored it in the barn he was also gracious > enough to pick me up from the airport, put me up in his guest room > and he even had a back yard New England lobster boil with some of > the local car guys to welcome the Texan to town. I ended up doing > that rally for 3 or 4 years in a row and staying with Forest and > Georgene became a tradition each year I ran it. > Thanks for the memories, > Gray > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [[6]mailto:[13]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] > On Behalf Of Charles McCall > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2016 9:09 AM > To: [7][14]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] Great things that have happened because of This > List (many moons ago) > This morning I posted on Facebook a flashback from 1997 or 1998 - > see attached photo. It's a picture of my first Pantera parked on the > streets of Paris with US plates on the back and the Eiffel Tower in > the background. > Thanks to Mike Drew for convincing me to have an adventure in my > Pantera and ship it, as this decision opened up a whole world to me > and helped define my philosophy for the next decades... The number > of adventures I've had since then in a Pantera... > At the time, I had recently been transferred to France, and flew > back to the US to put my former '72 Pantera on a boat to ship it > over (See article in 1999 POCA Profiles about shipping a Pantera to > France for what was supposed to be a 6-month assignment...) > While driving the car from Collector's Choice in Wisconsin to NY and > the ship, it developed an engine problem. I was stranded on the NYS > Thruway and ended up having the car towed to my parents' house in > Syracuse, NY. Long story made short - I already had my return > airline ticket, and had to leave the car behind. A local garage > found that the problem was the dreaded distributor shear pin that > had, well, sheared, and left me stranded. > Forest Majors - who I had never met (and still haven't!) but had > gotten to know thanks to the e-mail forum sent me a note out of the > blue asking how he could help. I had a friend drive my car shipped > to his house in CT, where Forest was kind enough to fix some minor > things that he noticed along the way that were quite helpful, and > stored the car for me until it could be delivered to the port. If I > remember correctly, he even pulled a few parts off a spare Pantera > he had to help me be on my way. > People I had never met in person - Mike Drew and Forest Majors - who > each did a good deed for someone they didn't know personally either > but had come to "know" virtually, asking for nothing in return. > I still see a lot of that spirit on this list today, which is no > doubt one reason for its success. Thanks to all who make it so! > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [8][15]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > [9][16]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > etc.) use the links above. > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward > any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of > the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an > archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > > Guys... > Ok here is only one of my Forest stories and I have plenty....I > bought > an RX-7 and it needed a transmission, took the car to Forest's > house to > use the lift to take the car apart (see picture attached with > car, > Forest and Georgene) we pulled the tranny and he shipped down to > Ole > Saybrook to have it rebuilt. They he went and picked it back up > again > for me as the car sat on his lift for two weeks. We must have > pulled > that tranny about three more time over the next year and a half. > Can't > tell you how many time I stayed at the house over the weekend to > work > on my car. > The nicest people you can ever have in your stable (Same for Mark > Skwarek aka the professor "TPR") > Jim > > __________________________________________________________________ > From: Gray Gregory <[10][17]rgg(a)gregorycook.com> > To: Charles McCall <[11][18]charlesmccall(a)gmail.com>; > "[12][19]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" > <[13][20]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2016 2:13 PM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Great things that have happened because > of This > List (many moons ago) > Charlie, > I remember all those events, or at least your emails to the list > about > them back then. I also remember Forest Majors; absolutely one of > the > finest people you could ever hope to meet! > My Forest story is somewhat similar. Back about that same time > frame I > signed up for a vintage car rally in New England with an old > Ferrari I > had at the time. Forest (who I had never met in person either) > sent me > an email offer any help I might need with the logistics of > dropping my > car off or getting it picked back up etc. Long story short not > only did > I have the car shipped to Forests house where he kindly stored it > in > the barn he was also gracious enough to pick me up from the > airport, > put me up in his guest room and he even had a back yard New > England > lobster boil with some of the local car guys to welcome the Texan > to > town. I ended up doing that rally for 3 or 4 years in a row and > staying > with Forest and Georgene became a tradition each year I ran it. > Thanks for the memories, > Gray > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso > [mailto:[1][14][21]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On > Behalf Of Charles McCall > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2016 9:09 AM > To: [2][15][22]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] Great things that have happened because of > This > List (many moons ago) > This morning I posted on Facebook a flashback from 1997 or 1998 - > see > attached photo. It's a picture of my first Pantera parked on the > streets of Paris with US plates on the back and the Eiffel Tower > in the > background. > Thanks to Mike Drew for convincing me to have an adventure in my > Pantera and ship it, as this decision opened up a whole world to > me and > helped define my philosophy for the next decades... The number of > adventures I've had since then in a Pantera... > At the time, I had recently been transferred to France, and flew > back > to the US to put my former '72 Pantera on a boat to ship it over > (See > article in 1999 POCA Profiles about shipping a Pantera to France > for > what was supposed to be a 6-month assignment...) > While driving the car from Collector's Choice in Wisconsin to NY > and > the ship, it developed an engine problem. I was stranded on the > NYS > Thruway and ended up having the car towed to my parents' house in > Syracuse, NY. Long story made short - I already had my return > airline > ticket, and had to leave the car behind. A local garage found > that the > problem was the dreaded distributor shear pin that had, well, > sheared, > and left me stranded. > Forest Majors - who I had never met (and still haven't!) but had > gotten > to know thanks to the e-mail fA^3rum sent me a note out of the > blue > asking how he could help. I had a friend drive my car shipped to > his > house in CT, where Forest was kind enough to fix some minor > things that > he noticed along the way that were quite helpful, and stored the > car > for me until it could be delivered to the port. If I remember > correctly, he even pulled a few parts off a spare Pantera he had > to > help me be on my way. > People I had never met in person - Mike Drew and Forest Majors - > who > each did a good deed for someone they didn't know personally > either but > had come to "know" virtually, asking for nothing in return. > I still see a lot of that spirit on this list today, which is no > doubt > one reason for its success. 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