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Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Cleveland
by P6746＠aol.com 21 Jun '16

21 Jun '16

Now now Mark. I had to go with the Penguins because Crosby is from my home province of Nova Scotia. I would like him even more had he gone to The Rangers. However that first game of the Stanley Cup finals was probably the best hockey game I've ever seen, and game 6 of the NBA finals wasn't bad either. Bob Reid In a message dated 6/21/2016 1:36:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, msm(a)portata.com writes: The refs suck. James sucks. The Cavs suck. Cleveland sucks. The entire state of Ohio sucks. Ditto for Pittsburgh, the Penguins, and every single person and their dog in the state of Pennsylvania. ... I'm going to go curl up on the floor now and watch the SF Giants ... ------ Original Message ------ From: "Douglas Kelm" <dakelm(a)qwest.net> To: "'Larry - Ohio Time'" <Larry(a)ohiotimecorp.com>; "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Sent: 6/20/2016 11:12:31 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Cleveland >Kudos to the Cavs. Well deserved and long overdue. A superb finish to a >record setting series. LJ rules! > >Doug > >-----Original Message----- >From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On >Behalf >Of Larry - Ohio Time >Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 11:24 AM >To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Cleveland > >I survived the Cleveland Championship Party. Streets closed, 200,000 >fans, >bars run dry.oh my! > > >Larry (runs with the young ones) - Cleveland > >_______________________________________________ > > >Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA >Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >DeTomaso mailing list >DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > >To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) >use the links above. > >Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the >list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive >or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Now now Mark. I had to go with the Penguins because Crosby is from my home province of Nova Scotia. I would like him even more had he gone to The Rangers. However that first game of the Stanley Cup finals was probably the best hockey game I've ever seen, and game 6 of the NBA finals wasn't bad either. Bob Reid In a message dated 6/21/2016 1:36:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, msm(a)portata.com writes: The refs suck. James sucks. The Cavs suck. Cleveland sucks. The entire state of Ohio sucks. Ditto for Pittsburgh, the Penguins, and every single person and their dog in the state of Pennsylvania. ... I'm going to go curl up on the floor now and watch the SF Giants ... ------ Original Message ------ From: "Douglas Kelm" <dakelm(a)qwest.net> To: "'Larry - Ohio Time'" <Larry(a)ohiotimecorp.com>; "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Sent: 6/20/2016 11:12:31 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Cleveland >Kudos to the Cavs. Well deserved and long overdue. A superb finish to a >record setting series. LJ rules! > >Doug > >-----Original Message----- >From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On >Behalf >Of Larry - Ohio Time >Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 11:24 AM >To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Cleveland > >I survived the Cleveland Championship Party. Streets closed, 200,000 >fans, >bars run dry.oh my! > > >Larry (runs with the young ones) - Cleveland > >_______________________________________________ > > >Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA >Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >DeTomaso mailing list >DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > >To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) >use the links above. > >Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the >list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive >or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

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High Torque Mini Starters - Need a Recommendation
by Mike Thomas 21 Jun '16

21 Jun '16

You may recall some time ago I posted about a hard start issue when the car was warm. The two most common solutions offered were timing adjustment and bad solenoid on the starter. I've adjusted the timing and she's running like raped ape, but still has the hard start. So, I need to replace my mini starter (solenoid is integral). I see a number of them on Ebay for prices that only say "too good to be true". What does the collective have as a recommendation? Thanks in advance. Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest Yellow '74 #6328

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Oil Filter
by CoatesR8＠aol.com 21 Jun '16

21 Jun '16

Can anyone please tell me if a Cleveland 351 and a Windsor 351 oil filter are the same ? Thanks in anticipation Roger Coates U.K. Can anyone please tell me if a Cleveland 351 and a Windsor 351 oil filter are the same ? Thanks in anticipation Roger Coates U.K.

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NPC: Cleveland
by Larry - Ohio Time 21 Jun '16

21 Jun '16

I survived the Cleveland Championship Party. Streets closed, 200,000 fans, bars run dry.oh my! Larry (runs with the young ones) - Cleveland I survived the Cleveland Championship Party. Streets closed, 200,000 fans, bars run dry...oh my! Larry (runs with the young ones) - Cleveland

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Re: [DeTomaso] DO NOT Download files from emails from FedEx, DHL etc regading deliveries!!!!!
by ehpantera 21 Jun '16

21 Jun '16

I do not know anything about this topic. Mark Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Date: 6/20/16 4:59 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Effie Richards <erichards(a)zogob.sdcoxmail.com>, msm(a)portata.com, 'DeTomaso List' <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DO NOT Download files from emails from FedEx, DHL etc regading deliveries!!!!! Mark would know a lot more about this stuff, any suggestions? Ken From: Effie Richards <erichards(a)zogob.sdcoxmail.com> To: 'Ken Green' <kenn_green(a)yahoo.com>; msm(a)portata.com; 'DeTomaso List' <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 1:39 PM Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] DO NOT Download files from emails from FedEx, DHL etc regading deliveries!!!!! #yiv8427498526 #yiv8427498526 -- _filtered #yiv8427498526 {font-family:Helvetica;panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;} _filtered #yiv8427498526 {font-family:Helvetica;panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;} _filtered #yiv8427498526 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv8427498526 {font-family:Tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}#yiv8427498526 #yiv8427498526 p.yiv8427498526MsoNormal, #yiv8427498526 li.yiv8427498526MsoNormal, #yiv8427498526 div.yiv8427498526MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv8427498526 a:link, #yiv8427498526 span.yiv8427498526MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8427498526 a:visited, #yiv8427498526 span.yiv8427498526MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8427498526 p.yiv8427498526MsoAcetate, #yiv8427498526 li.yiv8427498526MsoAcetate, #yiv8427498526 div.yiv8427498526MsoAcetate {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:8.0pt;}#yiv8427498526 span.yiv8427498526EmailStyle17 {color:#1F497D;}#yiv8427498526 span.yiv8427498526BalloonTextChar {}#yiv8427498526 .yiv8427498526MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv8427498526 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv8427498526 div.yiv8427498526WordSection1 {}#yiv8427498526 Thank you for your information, I do appreciate that so much! From: Ken Green [mailto:kenn_green@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 1:27 PM To: Effie Richards; msm(a)portata.com; 'DeTomaso List' Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DO NOT Download files from emails from FedEx, DHL etc regading deliveries!!!!! I use incremental update software "Goodscync" and back up all my files a couple times a day. Also periodically clone my hard drive using "True Image". Even without malicious email, your PC can die (usually the hard drive) and it's a real pain. Goodsync is pretty fast. Ken From: Effie Richards <erichards(a)zogob.sdcoxmail.com> To: msm(a)portata.com; 'Ken Green' <kenn_green(a)yahoo.com>; 'DeTomaso List' <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 12:03 PM Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] DO NOT Download files from emails from FedEx, DHL etc regading deliveries!!!!! I wanted to share with you all that a couple of months almost before the Vegas Rally, I got a malware/virus in my computer, I was opening several posted messages, thinking they were safe. It was a huge undertaking to clean my computer out. I don't know if it was related to any messages I opened from Pantera related websites or something totally different, but thought I would share that. It took my tech guy 3 days and 3 nights using several software to clean it completely. FYI -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of msm(a)portata.com Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 11:41 AM To: Ken Green; DeTomaso List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DO NOT Download files from emails from FedEx, DHL etc regading deliveries!!!!! This is "ransomware". It is becoming a big problem. Unlike viruses, they cannot be removed. Do not open any .zip or .exe files even if you think they came from someone you know. ------ Original Message ------ From: "Ken Green via DeTomaso" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> To: "DeTomaso List" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Sent: 6/20/2016 9:34:45 AM Subject: [DeTomaso] DO NOT Download files from emails from FedEx, DHL etc regading deliveries!!!!! > There are emails going out that say there was an attempted delivery >and you have to download and open a file to reschedule. If you do, the >file will encrypt files on your PC, and you will get a message that you >have to pay about $400 to recover your files. >We received three of these this morning. >Ken _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. I do not know anything about this topic. Mark Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Date: 6/20/16 4:59 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Effie Richards <erichards(a)zogob.sdcoxmail.com>, msm(a)portata.com, 'DeTomaso List' <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DO NOT Download files from emails from FedEx, DHL etc regading deliveries!!!!! Mark would know a lot more about this stuff, any suggestions? Ken From: Effie Richards <erichards(a)zogob.sdcoxmail.com> To: 'Ken Green' <kenn_green(a)yahoo.com>; msm(a)portata.com; 'DeTomaso List' <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 1:39 PM Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] DO NOT Download files from emails from FedEx, DHL etc regading deliveries!!!!! #yiv8427498526 #yiv8427498526 -- _filtered #yiv8427498526 {font-family:Helvetica;panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;} _filtered #yiv8427498526 {font-family:Helvetica;panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;} _filtered #yiv8427498526 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv8427498526 {font-family:Tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}#yiv8427498526 #yiv8427498526 p.yiv8427498526MsoNormal, #yiv8427498526 li.yiv8427498526MsoNormal, #yiv8427498526 div.yiv8427498526MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv8427498526 a:link, #yiv8427498526 span.yiv8427498526MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8427498526 a:visited, #yiv8427498526 span.yiv8427498526MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8427498526 p.yiv8427498526MsoAcetate, #yiv8427498526 li.yiv8427498526MsoAcetate, #yiv8427498526 div.yiv8427498526MsoAcetate {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:8.0pt;}#yiv8427498526 span.yiv8427498526EmailStyle17 {color:#1F497D;}#yiv8427498526 span.yiv8427498526BalloonTextChar {}#yiv8427498526 .yiv8427498526MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv8427498526 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv8427498526 div.yiv8427498526WordSection1 {}#yiv8427498526 Thank you for your information, I do appreciate that so much! From: Ken Green [mailto:kenn_green@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 1:27 PM To: Effie Richards; msm(a)portata.com; 'DeTomaso List' Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DO NOT Download files from emails from FedEx, DHL etc regading deliveries!!!!! I use incremental update software "Goodscync" and back up all my files a couple times a day. Also periodically clone my hard drive using "True Image". Even without malicious email, your PC can die (usually the hard drive) and it's a real pain. Goodsync is pretty fast. Ken From: Effie Richards <erichards(a)zogob.sdcoxmail.com> To: msm(a)portata.com; 'Ken Green' <kenn_green(a)yahoo.com>; 'DeTomaso List' <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 12:03 PM Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] DO NOT Download files from emails from FedEx, DHL etc regading deliveries!!!!! I wanted to share with you all that a couple of months almost before the Vegas Rally, I got a malware/virus in my computer, I was opening several posted messages, thinking they were safe. It was a huge undertaking to clean my computer out. I don't know if it was related to any messages I opened from Pantera related websites or something totally different, but thought I would share that. It took my tech guy 3 days and 3 nights using several software to clean it completely. FYI -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of msm(a)portata.com Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 11:41 AM To: Ken Green; DeTomaso List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DO NOT Download files from emails from FedEx, DHL etc regading deliveries!!!!! This is "ransomware". It is becoming a big problem. Unlike viruses, they cannot be removed. Do not open any .zip or .exe files even if you think they came from someone you know. ------ Original Message ------ From: "Ken Green via DeTomaso" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> To: "DeTomaso List" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Sent: 6/20/2016 9:34:45 AM Subject: [DeTomaso] DO NOT Download files from emails from FedEx, DHL etc regading deliveries!!!!! > There are emails going out that say there was an attempted delivery >and you have to download and open a file to reschedule. If you do, the >file will encrypt files on your PC, and you will get a message that you >have to pay about $400 to recover your files. >We received three of these this morning. >Ken _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

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New newsletters in color
by John Bennett 21 Jun '16

21 Jun '16

Anyone see this: Word has it the POCA management had a meeting tonight and voted for an all color newsletter, changed to a different printing service and saved the club over $8000 a year. Plastic membership cards are coming as well. As a new member I am glad I joined this club, I had been putting it off but glad I did. Great stuff gives me inspiration to restore my beloved De Tomaso. John Called BOD Meeting June 20th 6/21/2016 1:12 AM I called a BOD Meeting for Monday night June 2oth to wrap up some lingering business left over from the last meeting and to fill the void left by Mike Haney's and Josette D'Orazio's resignations from Profiles editor and POCA Store Manager respectively. It was a very long meeting with some unexpected surprises. Items One was the revelation that Jack DeRyke had included a divisive article in the July Newsletter penned by his wife, after a contested debate over the merits of the article, the BOD voted to remove it from the publication. Item Two was a quick vote to ensure that Associate Members would also be receiving new plastic membership cards, the BOD voted and it also passed. Item Three was the authorization to order the Detomaso POCA lanyards which were shown here, to be used with the new Plastic membership cards which are also designed to be name tags at meetings, car shows and other special events. This was also passed by the BOD. Item Four and Item Five were combined into a single vote which was also passed, this sets up the new POCA Store, will will be using a professional fulfillment center to ship our merchandise out, so no volunteers are needed to perform a thankless job. Item Five was the base order of merchandise for the POCA Store, it will be the items all of you asked for in the recent POCA Store survey, so start saving your pennies, the good stuff is on the way. Item Six was to fund online media campaigns like Facebook to both recruit new members and sell more Detomaso Gear. We ran a test over memorial day weekend and gained 7 new members as a result, so we know it works, now on to a regular schedule to take us up to 900 members and then on past 1,000. Item Seven was to cover the 2016 Fun Rally Report, we were all brought up to speed on the financial picture, in short, the Fun Rally generated a little over $40,000 in revenue and lost -$1,100, The Fun Rally Raffle generated $5,988 in ticket sales and showed a profit ( in cash, we still owe vendors almost $5,000 in media advertising) of $4,859 which combined with the regular business allowed the club to raise $3,755. The reason for the lack of a better return was the huge Beverage Bill of $20,205. It averaged almost $70.00 per person. Item Eight was to reimburse some associated minor expenses for $280.00. Item Nine was the most contentious of the evening and resulted in the resignation of Jack DeRyke as the Newsletter Editor. He was not forced to resign, he quit as the result of his own ultimatum delivered to the BOD several times. In a majority vote, the BOD elected to change printers to save $8,000 per year in printing costs. We have been paying a combined $46,400 to print both the 12 Newsletters and 4 Profiles per year, which exceeds the entire total of our Membership dues of $42,400. A new printer was found who can deliver both publications in full color, with more pages, on glossy paper, delivered in a weatherproof plastic mailer for $8,000 less per year, a reduced total of $38,400. Mr. DeRyke was adamant that we continue to lose money while receiving Black and White publications with fewer pages. After the vote was taken, he responded that we should all "have a nice life" and hung up on the meeting. While losing Mr. DeRyke as an Editor was unfortunate, it was his decision to quit, the club can not and will not be held hostage by any one member for any reason, especially one so easily decided as not spending more money than we have on hand each year. The BOD has a fiduciary duty, as do I as your elected President to ensure the financial well being of the club and to make sure that any monies entrusted to us are spent with either an expected ROI ( like the club store) or to serve the membership effectively and efficiently. Overpaying for an inferior product is not in keeping with those responsibilities. I understand that many people will be sad to see Jack's name not on the masthead of the newsletter for the first time in many years, it was not a decision made by us, so please take it up with Jack and ask him perhaps why he chose to take the exit that he took while we were doing the job that we were elected to do, watching out for the well being of the club. Meanwhile, if you are interested in becoming the Newsletter Editor or have a member in mind, please have them reach out to us for immediate consideration. Lastly, we were pleased to name Laurie Basile as the Interim Profiles Editor and new BOD Member, she will be producing Issue #4 this fall in a whole new format in full color. She is over qualified, and a real car person to boot, read more about her on the Home page. Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com michael(a)michaelshortt.com Sent using Zoho Mail Anyone see this: Word has it the POCA management had a meeting tonight and voted for an all color newsletter, changed to a different printing service and saved the club over $8000 a year. Plastic membership cards are coming as well. As a new member I am glad I joined this club, I had been putting it off but glad I did. Great stuff gives me inspiration to restore my beloved De Tomaso. John Called BOD Meeting June 20th 6/21/2016 1:12 AM I called a BOD Meeting for Monday night June 2oth to wrap up some lingering business left over from the last meeting and to fill the void left by Mike Haney's and Josette D'Orazio's resignations from Profiles editor and POCA Store Manager respectively. It was a very long meeting with some unexpected surprises. Items One was the revelation that Jack DeRyke had included a divisive article in the July Newsletter penned by his wife, after a contested debate over the merits of the article, the BOD voted to remove it from the publication. Item Two was a quick vote to ensure that Associate Members would also be receiving new plastic membership cards, the BOD voted and it also passed. Item Three was the authorization to order the Detomaso POCA lanyards which were shown here, to be used with the new Plastic membership cards which are also designed to be name tags at meetings, car shows and other special events. This was also passed by the BOD. Item Four and Item Five were combined into a single vote which was also passed, this sets up the new POCA Store, will will be using a professional fulfillment center to ship our merchandise out, so no volunteers are needed to perform a thankless job. Item Five was the base order of merchandise for the POCA Store, it will be the items all of you asked for in the recent POCA Store survey, so start saving your pennies, the good stuff is on the way. Item Six was to fund online media campaigns like Facebook to both recruit new members and sell more Detomaso Gear. We ran a test over memorial day weekend and gained 7 new members as a result, so we know it works, now on to a regular schedule to take us up to 900 members and then on past 1,000. Item Seven was to cover the 2016 Fun Rally Report, we were all brought up to speed on the financial picture, in short, the Fun Rally generated a little over $40,000 in revenue and lost -$1,100, The Fun Rally Raffle generated $5,988 in ticket sales and showed a profit ( in cash, we still owe vendors almost $5,000 in media advertising) of $4,859 which combined with the regular business allowed the club to raise $3,755. The reason for the lack of a better return was the huge Beverage Bill of $20,205. It averaged almost $70.00 per person. Item Eight was to reimburse some associated minor expenses for $280.00. Item Nine was the most contentious of the evening and resulted in the resignation of Jack DeRyke as the Newsletter Editor. He was not forced to resign, he quit as the result of his own ultimatum delivered to the BOD several times. In a majority vote, the BOD elected to change printers to save $8,000 per year in printing costs. We have been paying a combined $46,400 to print both the 12 Newsletters and 4 Profiles per year, which exceeds the entire total of our Membership dues of $42,400. A new printer was found who can deliver both publications in full color, with more pages, on glossy paper, delivered in a weatherproof plastic mailer for $8,000 less per year, a reduced total of $38,400. Mr. DeRyke was adamant that we continue to lose money while receiving Black and White publications with fewer pages. After the vote was taken, he responded that we should all "have a nice life" and hung up on the meeting. While losing Mr. DeRyke as an Editor was unfortunate, it was his decision to quit, the club can not and will not be held hostage by any one member for any reason, especially one so easily decided as not spending more money than we have on hand each year. The BOD has a fiduciary duty, as do I as your elected President to ensure the financial well being of the club and to make sure that any monies entrusted to us are spent with either an expected ROI ( like the club store) or to serve the membership effectively and efficiently. Overpaying for an inferior product is not in keeping with those responsibilities. I understand that many people will be sad to see Jack's name not on the masthead of the newsletter for the first time in many years, it was not a decision made by us, so please take it up with Jack and ask him perhaps why he chose to take the exit that he took while we were doing the job that we were elected to do, watching out for the well being of the club. Meanwhile, if you are interested in becoming the Newsletter Editor or have a member in mind, please have them reach out to us for immediate consideration. Lastly, we were pleased to name Laurie Basile as the Interim Profiles Editor and new BOD Member, she will be producing Issue #4 this fall in a whole new format in full color. She is over qualified, and a real car person to boot, read more about her on the Home page. Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia [1]www.michaelshortt.com [2]michael(a)michaelshortt.com Sent using [3]Zoho Mail References 1. http://www.michaelshortt.com/ 2. mailto:michael@michaelshortt.com 3. https://www.zoho.com/mail/

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Re: [DeTomaso] High Torque Mini Starters - Need a Recommendation
by MikeLDrew＠aol.com 21 Jun '16

21 Jun '16

In a message dated 6/20/16 5:36:39 PM, mbefthomas(a)comcast.net writes: > You may recall some time ago I posted about a hard start issue when the > car > was warm. The two most common solutions offered were timing adjustment > and > bad solenoid on the starter. I've adjusted the timing and she's running > like raped ape, but still has the hard start. So, I need to replace my > mini > starter (solenoid is integral). I see a number of them on Ebay for prices > that only say "too good to be true". > > What does the collective have as a recommendation? > >>>First of all, don't suspect your starter as the culprit until you've eliminated all other possibilities, all of which are more likely. The fact that you already have a mini starter tells me that your problem almost assuredly lies elsewhere, as your starter has probably only seen a fraction of the use that one would expect before a problem would normally crop up. The first and most obvious question is: how is your battery? A weak battery will start a cold engine just fine, but struggle with a hot engine. An old battery might show 12V or greater but have relatively few amps available when you need them. I just went through this on one of my Sciroccos which has a relatively new battery, good charging system, but the 650 CCA (cold cranking amps) battery only had about 350 amps available when tested. After a long stint with a trickle charger it went up to 625 CCA. I don't know how long that's going to last though. Batteries suffer from lack of use, and chances are you don't drive your Pantera often enough to 'exercise' the battery enough to prolong its life. Having a battery disconnect to isolate it from the electrical system will (for reasons I don't pretend to understand) greatly increase its lifespan, but eventually even the best battery will succomb to old age. How are your connections? The battery cable has a very long path which makes its job much harder. Checking your battery ground (short cable or strap from the negative terminal to the chassis in the front trunk) is an obvious first step. There is also a ground strap from the back of the gearbox to the chassis. It's also recommended to run yet another ground strap from one of the starter studs to one of the bolts securing the aluminum motor mount to the chassis. More grounds is better grounds. :>) Once you have positively eliminated ANY of those possible conditions, then and only then should you consider the prospect of a bad starter. Lots and lots of people have had great luck with the units from DB Electrical: http://www.dbelectrical.com/p-11368-ford-mini-pmgr-starter-302-351-manual-tr ansmissions-3223-sfd0012.aspx Normally you would have to ask for the included aux wiring kit, but since you already have a mini-starter I'm assuming you've already rewired the car to accomodate it? If not it certainly doesn't hurt to ask for the free wiring kit (they won't include it unless you ask). The flange is a fair bit thicker than the stock Ford starter, so I normally install longer studs in the bellhousing. I also use small-diameter nuts for easier socket access. The standard size for a nut with that thread size/pitch is 17mm; you can get flange nuts that use a 15mm socket, and ARP makes super-duper 12mm nuts that use a 12-point socket. Of course you have to be sure you have a 12mm deep socket or else you can't install them! Mike In a message dated 6/20/16 5:36:39 PM, mbefthomas(a)comcast.net writes: You may recall some time ago I posted about a hard start issue when the car was warm. The two most common solutions offered were timing adjustment and bad solenoid on the starter. I've adjusted the timing and she's running like raped ape, but still has the hard start. So, I need to replace my mini starter (solenoid is integral). I see a number of them on Ebay for prices that only say "too good to be true". What does the collective have as a recommendation? >>>First of all, don't suspect your starter as the culprit until you've eliminated all other possibilities, all of which are more likely. The fact that you already have a mini starter tells me that your problem almost assuredly lies elsewhere, as your starter has probably only seen a fraction of the use that one would expect before a problem would normally crop up. The first and most obvious question is: how is your battery? A weak battery will start a cold engine just fine, but struggle with a hot engine. An old battery might show 12V or greater but have relatively few amps available when you need them. I just went through this on one of my Sciroccos which has a relatively new battery, good charging system, but the 650 CCA (cold cranking amps) battery only had about 350 amps available when tested. After a long stint with a trickle charger it went up to 625 CCA. I don't know how long that's going to last though. Batteries suffer from lack of use, and chances are you don't drive your Pantera often enough to 'exercise' the battery enough to prolong its life. Having a battery disconnect to isolate it from the electrical system will (for reasons I don't pretend to understand) greatly increase its lifespan, but eventually even the best battery will succomb to old age. How are your connections? The battery cable has a very long path which makes its job much harder. Checking your battery ground (short cable or strap from the negative terminal to the chassis in the front trunk) is an obvious first step. There is also a ground strap from the back of the gearbox to the chassis. It's also recommended to run yet another ground strap from one of the starter studs to one of the bolts securing the aluminum motor mount to the chassis. More grounds is better grounds. :>) Once you have positively eliminated ANY of those possible conditions, then and only then should you consider the prospect of a bad starter. Lots and lots of people have had great luck with the units from DB Electrical: http://www.dbelectrical.com/p-11368-ford-mini-pmgr-starter-302-351-manu al-transmissions-3223-sfd0012.aspx Normally you would have to ask for the included aux wiring kit, but since you already have a mini-starter I'm assuming you've already rewired the car to accomodate it? If not it certainly doesn't hurt to ask for the free wiring kit (they won't include it unless you ask). The flange is a fair bit thicker than the stock Ford starter, so I normally install longer studs in the bellhousing. I also use small-diameter nuts for easier socket access. The standard size for a nut with that thread size/pitch is 17mm; you can get flange nuts that use a 15mm socket, and ARP makes super-duper 12mm nuts that use a 12-point socket. Of course you have to be sure you have a 12mm deep socket or else you can't install them! Mike

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Re: [DeTomaso] High Torque Mini Starters - Need a Recommendation
by Asa Jay Laughton 21 Jun '16

21 Jun '16

Purchased a DB Electrical starter years ago, and after returning the first one for a broken cable stud, it worked great no matter how hot the engine was. Asa Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks Mike Thomas <mbefthomas(a)comcast.net> wrote: >You may recall some time ago I posted about a hard start issue when the car >was warm. The two most common solutions offered were timing adjustment and >bad solenoid on the starter. I've adjusted the timing and she's running >like raped ape, but still has the hard start. So, I need to replace my mini >starter (solenoid is integral). I see a number of them on Ebay for prices >that only say "too good to be true". > >What does the collective have as a recommendation? > >Thanks in advance. >Mike Thomas >Pres., Panteras Northwest >Yellow '74 #6328 > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA >Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >DeTomaso mailing list >DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > >To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > >Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Purchased a DB Electrical starter years ago, and after returning the first one for a broken cable stud, it worked great no matter how hot the engine was. Asa Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks Mike Thomas <mbefthomas(a)comcast.net> wrote: You may recall some time ago I posted about a hard start issue when the car was warm. The two most common solutions offered were timing adjustment and bad solenoid on the starter. I've adjusted the timing and she's running like raped ape, but still has the hard start. So, I need to replace my mini starter (solenoid is integral). I see a number of them on Ebay for prices that only say "too good to be true". What does the collective have as a recommendation? Thanks in advance. Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest Yellow '74 #6328 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

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Computer illiterate
by Jack Donahue 20 Jun '16

20 Jun '16

Hey All - I have a couple bottles of Mario Andretti 1991 Cabernet Sauvignon - commemorating his retirement from racing. Very very neat bottles (labeling). I’ve had them since 1991 and thought I would share. I looked them up on the Net and found one on Ebay, but it was sold - BUT - the pictures are there - so - I was going to direct anyone who wanted to see the bottle - quite glamorous - to Ebay if they wanted to see it. Then I got brave, took a couple pictures of the bottle(s) and thought I could get those pictures here on the List. But I don’t how big of a picture I can send - I have 4 photos. I wanted to post all 4, and have the option of sending 24KB (small), 70KB(medium), 249KB(large), or 1.2MB(actual size) per picture. Thoughts ?? #4348

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Re: [DeTomaso] L bumper issue
by bill gaino 20 Jun '16

20 Jun '16

Ed, I paint cars for my living and I would sand it smooth, fill defects, prime it with a 2k urethane, and finish with your choice of semi gloss,or Hot Rod black. Bill 1362 https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fref=ts If you want it slick. www.slickpaint.com like us on facebook -----Original Message----- >From: cengles(a)cox.net >Sent: Jun 7, 2016 9:40 AM >To: edracers(a)aol.com >Cc: detomaso detomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> >Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] L bumper issue > >Dear Ed, > > > If you don't get any prompt answers, then email me later >today (tomorrow Hawaii time??). IIRC, down in the catacombs, in the >archives, there was an article about how to refinish a black L model >front rubber bumper. It may take me a while to find it. > > > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles > > > > > > >On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 1:00 AM, edracers--- via DeTomaso wrote: > >> Aloha >> My body guy spray painted the black L model front rubber bumper. Now >> the paint is bumpy, with cracks, and looks bad. My thought is to sand >> off the paint. But I do not know how to get the luster back to the >> black bumper. >> >> Any suggestions about this problem. >> >> >> Ed Kemper >> Honolulu >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) >> use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the >> list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive >> or approve the archiving of list messages. >_______________________________________________ > > >Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA >Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >DeTomaso mailing list >DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > >To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > >Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

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