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Oil Suggestions
by Himes, Terry (397C) 19 Sep '16

19 Sep '16

Good Morning Everyone, I don't want to startup the oil discussion again. But does anyone have thoughts on Rotella Type T 15w40. Which is a heavy duty diesel oil. It was suggested by a local Mustang shop. I like to use the best oil. No synthetics. My rebuilt 351c (nothing fancy done, just the normal upgrades) has about 3,500 miles on it and running great. Thanks so much. Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> 🇺🇸 From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> Date: Saturday, September 17, 2016 7:56 AM To: Owen Cooke <owen(a)tadhgcooke.com<mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com>>, "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 It's great to hear that you now have a functioning cooling system, although I have to wonder which of the particular changes contributed most, I suspect the thermostat housing being blocked off was a bulk of the problem. I had a similar experience when I got my first Pantera, it overheated in traffic, so I jumped on the web found all these articles about swapping radiators and fans etc. and duly went and purchased a setup. When I got to going through the car checking the thermostat I found it was a Windsor style, I swapped it for the correct Cleveland t-stat and voila heating issues resolved. It's just a reminder to check the simple stuff prior to laying out big $$$, even now I think there are still a lot of myths' perpetuated about these cars... like someone once said "why let the truth get in the way of a good story" Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Owen Cooke <owen(a)tadhgcooke.com<mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 2:19 AM To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 guys i had overheating problems i put in a new hall brass rad but my car had bleed pipe from the rad back to the swirl tank and no fitting in halls rad for it apart from a top bleed screw so i made a junction to fit the original bleed screw and the bleed pipe to it then new mariah (is that the right name) that fir on the stock brackets and wired them directly from the battery to the relays i found the hole under the thermostat was blocked with solder i removed that and fitted a new stat now all is perfect temp wise - warms up steady and holds the 90c or 195f in all conditions my gauge with sender in block beside the pump/stat ready 150f but its steady and i know what to expect very happy with result owen cooke On 16/09/2016 23:31, detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso DeTomaso Info Page<http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> server.detomasolist.com This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. 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Re: Sanden Compressors noises (bill) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 09:29:46 -0700 From: Jack Donahue <demongusta(a)gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> To: "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Cc: "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <CF682A66-9CF9-422E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC(a)gmail.com<mailto:CF682A66-9CF9-422E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:54:05 +0000 From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes(a)jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov>> To: Jack Donahue <demongusta(a)gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>>, "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <D4016E9F.92F3B%thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:D4016E9F.92F3B%thimes@jpl.nasa.gov>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Jack, Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. I'm not going to change it now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal with it. So keep posting and I will keep saving the responses. ;-) Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov><mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> ?? From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Jack Donahue <demongusta(a)gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com><mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM To: "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Cc: "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Jack, Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. I'm not going to change it now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal with it. So keep posting and I will keep saving the responses. ;-) Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Jack Donahue <[3]demongusta(a)gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM To: "[4]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <[5]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Cc: "[6]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <[7]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it's because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain't broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn't want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don't want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will "build-to-suit" - but the Hall unit looks to be "tried-and-proven". Now - fans. I really don't know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12" diameter - and the blades are "curved" - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone's post about the Flex-a-lite's since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [8]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [9]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com 3. mailto:demongusta@gmail.com 4. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 5. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 6. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 7. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 8. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 9. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:03:20 -0700 From: MyCars <mycars(a)comcast.net<mailto:mycars@comcast.net>> To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car Message-ID: <6fa00360-0d5e-3618-1132-2455f7b0aca2(a)comcast.net<mailto:6fa00360-0d5e-3618-1132-2455f7b0aca2@comcast.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for the rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front. I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would give the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like? Thanks in advance for your thoughts Roy ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 17:08:50 +0000 (UTC) From: LSJ <lashdeep(a)yahoo.com<mailto:lashdeep@yahoo.com>> To: MyCars <mycars(a)comcast.net<mailto:mycars@comcast.net>>, "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car Message-ID: <1287234121.1004140.1474045730621(a)mail.yahoo.com<mailto:1287234121.1004140.1474045730621@mail.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" What size wheel up front? ?LSJ central wines-spirits?? est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 centralwines.com facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 From: MyCars <mycars(a)comcast.net<mailto:mycars@comcast.net>> To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for the rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front. I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would give the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like? Thanks in advance for your thoughts Roy _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- What size wheel up front? LSJ central wines-spirits est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 [1]centralwines.com [2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 __________________________________________________________________ From: MyCars <mycars(a)comcast.net<mailto:mycars@comcast.net>> To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for the rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front. I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would give the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like? Thanks in advance for your thoughts Roy _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [3]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. http://centralwines.com/ 2. http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors 3. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:13:05 -0700 From: Jack Donahue <demongusta(a)gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> To: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes(a)jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov>> Cc: "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <09791B61-DE0D-40CC-859D-437A8528952A(a)gmail.com<mailto:09791B61-DE0D-40CC-859D-437A8528952A@gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Terry - I don?t have the original radiator - I currently have a Fluidyne with twin suckers, tilted forward, and A/C condenser in front. Originally, I wanted to just add a shroud, based on a friend of mine who does some serious off-road driving - he swears by a shroud - says it really made a difference for him and that I should AT LEAST get one for the whole ?Pantera-Heat-Prevention Program. That sounds good - (PHPP). Anyway, the more I looked into things, the more I was ?converted" to brass/copper as it seems to be more reliable - and more repairable (which I like). jack On Sep 16, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes(a)jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov>> wrote: Jack, Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. I'm not going to change it now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal with it. So keep posting and I will keep saving the responses. ;-) Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> <mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> ?? From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> <mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Jack Donahue <demongusta(a)gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com> <mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM To: "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Cc: "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> <mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso <http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Terry - I don't have the original radiator - I currently have a Fluidyne with twin suckers, tilted forward, and A/C condenser in front. Originally, I wanted to just add a shroud, based on a friend of mine who does some serious off-road driving - he swears by a shroud - says it really made a difference for him and that I should AT LEAST get one for the whole "Pantera-Heat-Prevention Program. That sounds good - (PHPP). Anyway, the more I looked into things, the more I was "converted" to brass/copper as it seems to be more reliable - and more repairable (which I like). jack On Sep 16, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Himes, Terry (397C) <[1]terry.himes(a)jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov>> wrote: Jack, Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. I'm not going to change it now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal with it. So keep posting and I will keep saving the responses. ;-) Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [2]thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> From: DeTomaso <[3]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Jack Donahue <[4]demongusta(a)gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM To: "[5]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <[6]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Cc: "[7]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <[8]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it's because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain't broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn't want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don't want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will "build-to-suit" - but the Hall unit looks to be "tried-and-proven". Now - fans. I really don't know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12" diameter - and the blades are "curved" - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone's post about the Flex-a-lite's since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [9]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [10]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov 2. mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov 3. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com 4. mailto:demongusta@gmail.com 5. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 6. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 7. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 8. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 9. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 10. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:17:31 -0700 From: Jack Donahue <demongusta(a)gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> To: GR2835(a)comcast.net<mailto:GR2835@comcast.net> Cc: "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <2334BABE-726C-4D16-85EA-BB997B2B61CB(a)gmail.com<mailto:2334BABE-726C-4D16-85EA-BB997B2B61CB@gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 There-in lies one of my problems - I could never MAKE a shroud. I wish I could - maybe out of foil-wrap. I will check out that website, thanks. On Sep 16, 2016, at 10:07 AM, GR2835(a)comcast.net<mailto:GR2835@comcast.net> wrote: Pantera Electronics has recommended fans with part numbers under the fan controller button on their website. I have a stock radiator that was modified for lay down and air conditioning condenser up front........I have a fan shroud that I made and mounted the 2 sucker fans. 192 thermostat ran 192 in a 14 mile traffic jam last year that.took me 90 minutes to get through.......temperature was 98 degrees leaving the 2015 Woodward Cruise...........my wife complained that she was too cold with the air set on the warmest setting. Good luck Gerry in Illinois ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Donahue <demongusta(a)gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:29:46 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 11:24:26 -0700 From: Larry Stock <larrys(a)panteraparts.com<mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com>> To: Jack Donahue <demongusta(a)gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> Cc: "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <D4018324.17A0EF%larrys(a)panteraparts.com<mailto:D4018324.17A0EF%larrys@panteraparts.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Hi Jack, You should be able to use the fans off the Fluidyne, if not we have our Maridyne system fans and our own bracket kit and if you need shrouds for a full lie-down system, we have those too. Typically we recommend our half Lay forward system which minimizes the thru air turbulence. 11041B Defl. Rad. S.S. Lay down for kit $95.00 11042B Stainless deflector right $65.00 11043B Stainless deflector left $65.00 11055B Radiator Puller Fan Shroud SS Mounting brackets set of 3 $125.00 11055P PPC Puller Fans & Shroud Assy $325.00 If the Hall Brass radiator has the stock quick 90 degree hard radiator tubes installed, you will not be able to mount a puller fan shroud under those tubes, if it has the straight out tubes then you can use 90 degree molded rubber hoses to clear the Puller shroud like your Fluidyne. Larry Stock Pantera Parts Connection LC 550 Mallory Way Carson City NV 89701 www.PanteraParts.com<http://www.PanteraParts.com> PH 775-283-4411 Fax 775-283-4410 Cell 1-800-DeTomaso 800-338-6627 On 9/16/16, 9:29 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jack Donahue" <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of demongusta(a)gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> wrote: Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:09:55 -0500 From: Cullen McCann <cmccann1972(a)gmail.com<mailto:cmccann1972@gmail.com>> To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out Message-ID: <CAFwr-MXfE-RBLar+qAHGPYYWnwSszwYufvAcAcUT2ngvZZ1Aqg(a)mail.gmail.com<mailto:CAFwr-MXfE-RBLar+qAHGPYYWnwSszwYufvAcAcUT2ngvZZ1Aqg@mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Good afternoon! Has anyone installed the McLeod hydraulic throwout bearing that they say is Pantera specific for the ZF, and what was your experience? I've had a fantastic experience with them on another performance car application. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22 Thank you!! -------------- next part -------------- Good afternoon! Has anyone installed the McLeod hydraulic throwout bearing that they say is Pantera specific for the ZF, and what was your experience? I've had a fantastic experience with them on another performance car application. [1]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22 Thank you!! References 1. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22 ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 19:27:46 +0000 (UTC) From: Ken Green <kenn_green(a)yahoo.com<mailto:kenn_green@yahoo.com>> To: Jack Donahue <demongusta(a)gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>>, "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <1796334072.2409059.1474054066544(a)mail.yahoo.com<mailto:1796334072.2409059.1474054066544@mail.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Jack, ??? You should be able to find the fan and shroud here: https://www.flex-a-lite.com/electric-fans/12-volt-electric-fans/universal/p… From: Jack Donahue <demongusta(a)gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> To: "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Cc: "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about? radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.? And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past? Brassworks? - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved?? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up? a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Jack, You should be able to find the fan and shroud here: [1]https://www.flex-a-lite.com/electric-fans/12-volt-electric-fans/univ ersal/primary-fans.html __________________________________________________________________ From: Jack Donahue <demongusta(a)gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> To: "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Cc: "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit itas because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ainat broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didnat want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just donat want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will abuild-to-suita - but the Hall unit looks to be atried-and-provena. Now - fans. I really donat know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12a diameter - and the blades are acurveda - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someoneas post about the Flex-a-liteas since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [2]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. https://www.flex-a-lite.com/electric-fans/12-volt-electric-fans/universal/p… 2. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 3. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 12:35:17 -0700 From: Larry Finch <fresnofinches(a)aol.com<mailto:fresnofinches@aol.com>> To: Email List Address For Posting <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out Message-ID: <6C366701-6502-47C0-A0DC-59494515D156(a)aol.com<mailto:6C366701-6502-47C0-A0DC-59494515D156@aol.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Cullen, 2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it in 2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most recently did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with and ordered directly from McLeod. My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!" The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up very long against grinding by a pressure plate. The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly. Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild kit I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous invoice. What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit which uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined that for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as a ? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the company. No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two generations. While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the task of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull the transaxle and start all over again. The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as has been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine. Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that road for themselves. Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory details. Larry Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 12:50:41 -0700 From: MyCars <mycars(a)comcast.net<mailto:mycars@comcast.net>> To: LSJ <lashdeep(a)yahoo.com<mailto:lashdeep@yahoo.com>>, "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car Message-ID: <37e8f14d-dde9-3ce5-f312-4dd9b1c3f234(a)comcast.net<mailto:37e8f14d-dde9-3ce5-f312-4dd9b1c3f234@comcast.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" Going off memory (my car is still in Seattle) I am in San Diego area. They are 15" Aluminum Weld 5-spoke rims, that I believe are about 9.5" wide. On 9/16/2016 10:08 AM, LSJ wrote: What size wheel up front? LSJ /*central */ /*wines-spirits est 1934 */ /* */ /*625 e street nw */ /*washington, dc 20004*/ /* */ /*centralwines.com <http://centralwines.com/> */ /* */ /*facebook.com/CentralLiquors <http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors> */ /* */ /*202-737-2800*/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* MyCars <mycars(a)comcast.net<mailto:mycars@comcast.net>> *To:* detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> *Sent:* Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM *Subject:* [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for the rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front. I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would give the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like? Thanks in advance for your thoughts Roy _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> <mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Going off memory (my car is still in Seattle) I am in San Diego area. They are 15" Aluminum Weld 5-spoke rims, that I believe are about 9.5" wide. On 9/16/2016 10:08 AM, LSJ wrote: What size wheel up front? LSJ central wines-spirits est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 [1]centralwines.com [2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 __________________________________________________________________ From: MyCars [3]<mycars(a)comcast.net<mailto:mycars@comcast.net>> To: [4]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for the rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front. I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would give the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like? Thanks in advance for your thoughts Roy _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [5]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. http://centralwines.com/ 2. http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors 3. mailto:mycars@comcast.net 4. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 5. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 13:00:36 -0700 From: MyCars <mycars(a)comcast.net<mailto:mycars@comcast.net>> To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car Message-ID: <013ad905-7f93-99e8-761f-878f602ee6cb(a)comcast.net<mailto:013ad905-7f93-99e8-761f-878f602ee6cb@comcast.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed" I just checked Weld's website http://weldwheels.com/shop/street-strip/sport-forged-wheels/prostar.html They do not offer a 15" rim 9.5" wide, so I would guess they are 9" wide On 9/16/2016 12:50 PM, MyCars wrote: Going off memory (my car is still in Seattle) I am in San Diego area. They are 15" Aluminum Weld 5-spoke rims, that I believe are about 9.5" wide. On 9/16/2016 10:08 AM, LSJ wrote: What size wheel up front? LSJ central wines-spirits est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 [1]centralwines.com [2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 __________________________________________________________________ From: MyCars [3]<mycars(a)comcast.net<mailto:mycars@comcast.net>> To: [4]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for the rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front. I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would give the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like? Thanks in advance for your thoughts Roy _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [5]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. http://centralwines.com/ 2. http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors 3. mailto:mycars@comcast.net 4. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 5. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- I just checked Weld's website [1]http://weldwheels.com/shop/street-strip/sport-forged-wheels/prostar. html They do not offer a 15" rim 9.5" wide, so I would guess they are 9" wide On 9/16/2016 12:50 PM, MyCars wrote: Going off memory (my car is still in Seattle) I am in San Diego area. They are 15" Aluminum Weld 5-spoke rims, that I believe are about 9.5" wide. On 9/16/2016 10:08 AM, LSJ wrote: What size wheel up front? LSJ central wines-spirits est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 [1]centralwines.com [2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 __________________________________________________________________ From: MyCars [3][2]<mycars(a)comcast.net<mailto:mycars@comcast.net>> To: [[3]4]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for the rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front. I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would give the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like? Thanks in advance for your thoughts Roy _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [[4]5]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [6][5]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. [6]http://centralwines.com/ 2. [7]http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors 3. [8]mailto:mycars@comcast.net 4. [9]mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 5. [10]mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 6. 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References 1. http://weldwheels.com/shop/street-strip/sport-forged-wheels/prostar.html 2. mailto:mycars@comcast.net 3. mailto:4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 4. mailto:5]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 5. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 6. http://centralwines.com/ 7. http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors 8. mailto:mycars@comcast.net 9. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 10. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 11. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 12. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 13. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:26:27 -0400 From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman(a)gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman@gmail.com>> To: Larry Finch <fresnofinches(a)aol.com<mailto:fresnofinches@aol.com>>, Email List Address For Posting <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out Message-ID: <D401CD29.16A666%will.kooiman(a)gmail.com<mailto:D401CD29.16A666%will.kooiman@gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Wow. I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly. My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium. Rather than building a new bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave. At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far. -- Will On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> wrote: Cullen, 2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it in 2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most recently did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with and ordered directly from McLeod. My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!" The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up very long against grinding by a pressure plate. The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly. Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild kit I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous invoice. What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit which uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined that for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as a ? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the company. No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two generations. While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the task of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull the transaxle and start all over again. The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as has been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine. Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that road for themselves. Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory details. Larry Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 15:50:41 -0500 From: Cullen McCann <cmccann1972(a)gmail.com<mailto:cmccann1972@gmail.com>> To: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman(a)gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman@gmail.com>> Cc: Email List Address For Posting <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>>, Larry Finch <fresnofinches(a)aol.com<mailto:fresnofinches@aol.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out Message-ID: <CAFwr-MXS50CCAQsJNmavjATb-j1RSZxcQrYF3EOYwY-xD=9Jpg(a)mail.gmail.com<mailto:CAFwr-MXS50CCAQsJNmavjATb-j1RSZxcQrYF3EOYwY-xD=9Jpg@mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Thank you Larry. You answered my question perfectly. I am like Will, I have one on my Cobra as well, with a ford Top Loader and its been there for several years and Ive always loved it. I actually bought one that was "new" but several generations old, and when I called McLeod to inquire about fresh O-rings, they sent me a brand new unit just to "ensure a positive experience". I installed it with a performance clutch and a scattershield, bled it according to the instructions and that was about 4 years ago. Havent had a lick of trouble. (knocking on wood now). the frame rails on my cobra are 24" apart and I couldn't fit the clutch fork between the side of the bellhousing and the frame rail, and ive had a bad experience with performance clutches and cables breaking in the past...so I went the hydraulic route and have loved it. however... I will certainly consider carefully this drama as I set up my P car. I have a plan B with an external slave also, if I choose not to use the factory unit. Thank you sir. Cullen On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman(a)gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman@gmail.com>> wrote: Wow. I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly. My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium. Rather than building a new bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave. At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far. -- Will On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> wrote: Cullen, 2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it in 2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most recently did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with and ordered directly from McLeod. My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!" The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up very long against grinding by a pressure plate. The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly. Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild kit I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous invoice. What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit which uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined that for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as a ? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the company. No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two generations. While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the task of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull the transaxle and start all over again. The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as has been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine. Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that road for themselves. Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory details. Larry Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Thank you Larry. You answered my question perfectly. I am like Will, I have one on my Cobra as well, with a ford Top Loader and its been there for several years and Ive always loved it. I actually bought one that was "new" but several generations old, and when I called McLeod to inquire about fresh O-rings, they sent me a brand new unit just to "ensure a positive experience". I installed it with a performance clutch and a scattershield, bled it according to the instructions and that was about 4 years ago. Havent had a lick of trouble.A (knocking on wood now). the frame rails on my cobra are 24" apart and I couldn't fit the clutch fork between the side of the bellhousing and the frame rail, and ive had a bad experience with performance clutches and cables breaking in the past...so I went the hydraulic route and have loved it. however... I will certainly consider carefully this drama as I set up my P car. I have a plan B with an external slave also, if I choose not to use the factory unit.A Thank you sir. Cullen On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Will Kooiman <[1]will.kooiman(a)gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman@gmail.com>> wrote: Wow. I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly. My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium.A Rather than building a new bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave. At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far. -- Will On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso" <[2]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> wrote: >Cullen, > >2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it in >2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most recently >did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with >and ordered directly from McLeod. > >My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!" > >The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout >spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had >on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90ADEG fitting >where one should have used a 45ADEG fitting, twisted itself, unseen of >course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line >attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up >very long against grinding by a pressure plate. > >The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking >outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly. > >Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild kit >I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous invoice. >What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit which >uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined that >for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used >exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as a >A A or a AB which to me seems indicative of a problem within the company. >No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two generations. > >While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the task >of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and >unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull the >transaxle and start all over again. > >The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as has >been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine. >Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my >experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that >road for themselves. > >Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory >details. > >Larry > >Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. >_______________________________________________ > > >Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >DeTomaso mailing list >[3]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> >[4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > >To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use >the links above. > >Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. >They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or >approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [5]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 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References 1. mailto:will.kooiman@gmail.com 2. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 3. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 5. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 13:53:15 -0700 From: Larry Stock <larrys(a)panteraparts.com<mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com>> To: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman(a)gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman@gmail.com>>, Larry Finch <fresnofinches(a)aol.com<mailto:fresnofinches@aol.com>>, Email List Address For Posting <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out Message-ID: <D401A883.17A144%larrys(a)panteraparts.com<mailto:D401A883.17A144%larrys@panteraparts.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="EUC-KR" The basic problem is that the bell housing is too confined and not ventilated well enough to dissipate the heat. The Superformance is using a Quick Time bell housing that has much more ventilation than the DeTomaso Bell housing. Just another reason not to run those Plugs that some vendors offer, that close off the inspection hole at the left hand top of the bell housing. That is the only heat dissipation vent there is. Larry On 9/16/16, 1:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman" <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of will.kooiman(a)gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman@gmail.com>> wrote: Wow. I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly. My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium. Rather than building a new bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave. At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far. -- Will On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> wrote: Cullen, 2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it in 2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most recently did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with and ordered directly from McLeod. My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!" The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up very long against grinding by a pressure plate. The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly. Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild kit I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous invoice. What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit which uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined that for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as a ? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the company. No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two generations. While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the task of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull the transaxle and start all over again. The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as has been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine. Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that road for themselves. Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory details. Larry Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:11:22 -0700 From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew(a)aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com>> To: David Nunn <dnunn(a)telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>> Cc: "<detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>>" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises Message-ID: <C4C5C3CB-D201-4825-A845-85208C7B8B62(a)aol.com<mailto:C4C5C3CB-D201-4825-A845-85208C7B8B62@aol.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" All, Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note there is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat firewall kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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[1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm References 1. http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 21:16:34 +0000 From: Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> To: David Nunn <dnunn(a)telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>>, Mike Drew <MikeLDrew(a)aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com>>, "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises Message-ID: <CY4PR18MB12865ADBFE3EEDECFFB644A895F30(a)CY4PR18MB1286.namprd18.prod.outlook.com<mailto:CY4PR18MB12865ADBFE3EEDECFFB644A895F30@CY4PR18MB1286.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mike, It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again, the one that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location, but was adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench on the rear. Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM To: David Nunn Cc: <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises All, Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note there is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat firewall kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system. [cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f@namprd18.prod.outlook.com<mailto:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f@namprd18.prod.outlook.com>] Mike Sent from my iPhone On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <dnunn(a)telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>> wrote: Rob, If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit. It eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it adjustable. It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on IPSCO's web site so you have to call or e-mail to get details. Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and belt tensioning a breeze. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm References 1. http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm [http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.jpg]<http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm> Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ...<http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm> www.ipsco.org<http://www.ipsco.org> Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Mike, It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again, the one that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location, but was adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench on the rear. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM To: David Nunn Cc: <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises All, Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note there is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat firewall kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system. [cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f@namprd18.prod.outlook.com<mailto:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f@namprd18.prod.outlook.com>] Mike Sent from my iPhone On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <dnunn(a)telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>> wrote: > Rob, > > If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit. It > eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it adjustable. > It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on IPSCO's web > site so you have to call or e-mail to get details. > > Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and belt > tensioning a breeze. > > [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm > > References > > 1. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg] [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ... www.ipsco.org<http://www.ipsco.org> Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler Pulley, this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench behind the bracket to tighten in ... > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> > [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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References 1. http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm 2. http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm 3. http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm 4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 5. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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My photo shows the idler that replaces the alternator to tension the water pump belt. Mike Sent from my iPhone On Sep 16, 2016, at 14:16, Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> wrote: Mike, It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again, the one that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location, but was adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench on the rear. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM To: David Nunn Cc: <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises All, Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note there is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat firewall kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system. [cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f@namprd18.prod.outlook.com<mailto:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f@namprd18.prod.outlook.com>] Mike Sent from my iPhone On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <dnunn(a)telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>> wrote: Rob, If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit. It eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it adjustable. It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on IPSCO's web site so you have to call or e-mail to get details. Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and belt tensioning a breeze. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm References 1. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg] [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ... www.ipsco.org<http://www.ipsco.org> Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler Pulley, this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench behind the bracket to tighten in ... _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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References 1. http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm 2. http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm 3. http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm 4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 5. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:19:14 -0700 From: Larry Finch <fresnofinches(a)aol.com<mailto:fresnofinches@aol.com>> To: Email List Address For Posting <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out Message-ID: <78A89D59-A850-402B-8862-ABC7DFF75CD9(a)aol.com<mailto:78A89D59-A850-402B-8862-ABC7DFF75CD9@aol.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Heat? As I previously wrote, I have over 50,000 miles using one of the McLeod systems. Those 50,000 miles have all been WITH a black plastic plug in the hole that some wish to call a ventilation hole rather than an inspection hole. Your choice, I don't really care. Whatever heat issues may or may not be present, with or without a plug, have never appeared to be an issue in any way, shape or form in my many years of experience. I am all ears if Larry or anyone else has history that supports a failure of the McLeod unit from excessive heat. Larry Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. On Sep 16, 2016, at 1:53 PM, Larry Stock <larrys(a)panteraparts.com<mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com>> wrote: The basic problem is that the bell housing is too confined and not ventilated well enough to dissipate the heat. The Superformance is using a Quick Time bell housing that has much more ventilation than the DeTomaso Bell housing. Just another reason not to run those Plugs that some vendors offer, that close off the inspection hole at the left hand top of the bell housing. That is the only heat dissipation vent there is. Larry On 9/16/16, 1:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman" <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of will.kooiman(a)gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman@gmail.com>> wrote: Wow. I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly. My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium. Rather than building a new bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave. At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far. -- Will On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> wrote: Cullen, 2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it in 2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most recently did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with and ordered directly from McLeod. My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!" The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up very long against grinding by a pressure plate. The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly. Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild kit I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous invoice. What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit which uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined that for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as a A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the company. No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two generations. While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the task of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull the transaxle and start all over again. The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as has been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine. Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that road for themselves. Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory details. Larry Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:38:06 -0500 From: Cullen McCann <cmccann1972(a)gmail.com<mailto:cmccann1972@gmail.com>> To: Larry Stock <larrys(a)panteraparts.com<mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com>> Cc: Email List Address For Posting <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>>, Larry Finch <fresnofinches(a)aol.com<mailto:fresnofinches@aol.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out Message-ID: <CAFwr-MWHHeaX0ok7ajqCPFCdY9WbHzjGrnmoMoMYuHjYFCj-cA(a)mail.gmail.com<mailto:CAFwr-MWHHeaX0ok7ajqCPFCdY9WbHzjGrnmoMoMYuHjYFCj-cA@mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" well, I have the quicktime bellhousing for the ZF on 4653. I forgot to mention that. Also didn't consider it would be relevant. hmmmm. On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Larry Stock <larrys(a)panteraparts.com<mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com>> wrote: The basic problem is that the bell housing is too confined and not ventilated well enough to dissipate the heat. The Superformance is using a Quick Time bell housing that has much more ventilation than the DeTomaso Bell housing. Just another reason not to run those Plugs that some vendors offer, that close off the inspection hole at the left hand top of the bell housing. That is the only heat dissipation vent there is. Larry On 9/16/16, 1:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman" <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of will.kooiman(a)gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman@gmail.com>> wrote: Wow. I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly. My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium. Rather than building a new bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave. At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far. -- Will On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> wrote: Cullen, 2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it in 2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most recently did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with and ordered directly from McLeod. My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!" The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up very long against grinding by a pressure plate. The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly. Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild kit I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous invoice. What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit which uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined that for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as a ? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the company. No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two generations. While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the task of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull the transaxle and start all over again. The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as has been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine. Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that road for themselves. Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory details. Larry Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 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On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Larry Stock <[1]larrys(a)panteraparts.com<mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com>> wrote: The basic problem is that the bell housing is too confined and not ventilated well enough to dissipate the heat. The Superformance is using a Quick Time bell housing that has much more ventilation than the DeTomaso Bell housing. Just another reason not to run those Plugs that some vendors offer, that close off the inspection hole at the left hand top of the bell housing. That is the only heat dissipation vent there is. Larry On 9/16/16, 1:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman" <[2]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of [3]will.kooiman(a)gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman@gmail.com>> wrote: >Wow. > >I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly. > >My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily >available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium.A Rather than building a new >bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave. > >At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far. > >-- >Will > > > > > >On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso" ><[4]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> wrote: > >>Cullen, >> >>2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it in >>2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most recently >>did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with >>and ordered directly from McLeod. >> >>My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!" >> >>The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout >>spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had >>on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90ADEG fitting >>where one should have used a 45ADEG fitting, twisted itself, unseen of >>course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line >>attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up >>very long against grinding by a pressure plate. >> >>The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking >>outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly. >> >>Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild kit >>I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous invoice. >>What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit which >>uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined that >>for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used >>exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as a >>A A or a AB which to me seems indicative of a problem within the company. >>No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two generations. >> >>While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the task >>of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and >>unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull the >>transaxle and start all over again. >> >>The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as has >>been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine. >>Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my >>experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that >>road for themselves. >> >>Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory >>details. >> >>Larry >> >>Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. >>_______________________________________________ >> >> >>Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >>Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >>DeTomaso mailing list >>[5]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> >>[6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >>To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use >>the links above. >> >>Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >>message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. >>They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or >>approve the archiving of list messages. > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >DeTomaso mailing list >[7]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> >[8]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > >To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use >the links above. > >Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. >They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or >approve the archiving of list messages. > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [9]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [10]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 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References 1. mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com 3. mailto:will.kooiman@gmail.com 4. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 5. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 7. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 8. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 9. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 10. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 21:46:51 +0000 From: michael frazier <red3644(a)hotmail.com<mailto:red3644@hotmail.com>> To: "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC, Need transmission suggestions Message-ID: <SN1PR07MB2254F82A006D414EA80223FCB9F30(a)SN1PR07MB2254.namprd07.prod.outlook.com<mailto:SN1PR07MB2254F82A006D414EA80223FCB9F30@SN1PR07MB2254.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi All, I?m putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road. It sat in a barn since 1961 and only has 25k miles, but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out. Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will remain. The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete Jaguar XJ suspension front and back. I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want an overdrive transmission. Manual or automatic, either one. It won?t be drag raced but will be used regularly and would likely be run in an open road race some time. That?s the reason for the overdrive. I?ve been out of this part of the game for a while and was wondering what would work well. What would bolt up and work. What would it come out of? Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated. Michael Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 -------------- next part -------------- Hi All, I'm putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road. It sat in a barn since 1961 and only has 25k miles, but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out. Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will remain. The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete Jaguar XJ suspension front and back. I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want an overdrive transmission. Manual or automatic, either one. It won't be drag raced but will be used regularly and would likely be run in an open road race some time. That's the reason for the overdrive. I've been out of this part of the game for a while and was wondering what would work well. What would bolt up and work. What would it come out of? Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated. Michael Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10 References 1. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 15:04:46 -0700 From: "David Nunn" <dnunn(a)telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>> To: "'Mike Drew'" <MikeLDrew(a)aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com>>, "'Julian Kift'" <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises Message-ID: <003301d21066$5739cc80$05ad6580$(a)telus.net<mailto:003301d21066$5739cc80$05ad6580$@telus.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Julian, Further to what Mike wrote; here's a photo of the front of my engine, with both IPSCO items installed. David -----Original Message----- From: Mike Drew [mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com] Sent: September 16, 2016 2:19 PM To: Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> Cc: David Nunn <dnunn(a)telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>>; detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises Julian, Yes, he mentioned two different products for different applications but only had a link for the stock replacement idler. My photo shows the idler that replaces the alternator to tension the water pump belt. Mike Sent from my iPhone On Sep 16, 2016, at 14:16, Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> wrote: Mike, It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again, the one that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location, but was adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench on the rear. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM To: David Nunn Cc: <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises All, Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note there is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat firewall kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system. [cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f@namprd18.prod.outlook.com<mailto:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f@namprd18.prod.outlook.com>] Mike Sent from my iPhone On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <dnunn(a)telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>> wrote: Rob, If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit. It eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it adjustable. It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on IPSCO's web site so you have to call or e-mail to get details. Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and belt tensioning a breeze. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm References 1. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg] [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ... www.ipsco.org<http://www.ipsco.org> Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . 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CheersBill MooreCalgary -------- Original message --------From: michael frazier <red3644(a)hotmail.com<mailto:red3644@hotmail.com>> Date: 2016-09-16 3:46 PM (GMT-07:00) To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC, Need transmission suggestions Hi All, I?m putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road.? It sat in a barn since 1961 and only has 25k miles, but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out.? Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will remain.? The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete Jaguar XJ suspension front and back. I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want an overdrive transmission.? Manual or automatic, either one.? It won?t be drag raced but will be used regularly and would likely be run in an open road race some time.? That?s the reason for the overdrive. I?ve been out of this part of the game for a while and was wondering what would work well. What would bolt up and work.? What would it come out of? Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated. Michael Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 ?? Hi All, ?? I'm putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road.? It sat in a barn since ?? 1961 and only has 25k miles, ?? but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out. ?? Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will ?? remain.? The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete ?? Jaguar XJ suspension front and back. ?? I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want an ?? overdrive transmission.? Manual or ?? automatic, either one.? It won't be drag raced but will be used ?? regularly and would likely be run in an ?? open road race some time.? That's the reason for the overdrive. ?? I've been out of this part of the game for a while and was wondering ?? what would work well. ?? What would bolt up and work.? What would it come out of? ?? Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated. ?? Michael ?? Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10 References ?? 1. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Michael: Screw that put a Ford flat head V8 in that suckered. Cheers Bill Moore Calgary -------- Original message -------- From: michael frazier <red3644(a)hotmail.com<mailto:red3644@hotmail.com>> Date: 2016-09-16 3:46 PM (GMT-07:00) To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC, Need transmission suggestions Hi All, I'm putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road. It sat in a barn since 1961 and only has 25k miles, but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out. Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will remain. The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete Jaguar XJ suspension front and back. I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want an overdrive transmission. Manual or automatic, either one. It won't be drag raced but will be used regularly and would likely be run in an open road race some time. That's the reason for the overdrive. I've been out of this part of the game for a while and was wondering what would work well. What would bolt up and work. What would it come out of? Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated. Michael Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 Hi All, I'm putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road. It sat in a barn since 1961 and only has 25k miles, but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out. Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will remain. The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete Jaguar XJ suspension front and back. I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want an overdrive transmission. Manual or automatic, either one. It won't be drag raced but will be used regularly and would likely be run in an open road race some time. That's the reason for the overdrive. I've been out of this part of the game for a while and was wondering what would work well. What would bolt up and work. What would it come out of? Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated. Michael Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10 References 1. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:31:46 -0600 From: bill <bill(a)incendium.com<mailto:bill@incendium.com>> To: David Nunn <dnunn(a)telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>>, 'Mike Drew' <MikeLDrew(a)aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com>>, 'Julian Kift' <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises Message-ID: <twbfe1jjjap5dl76l23cu2gv.1474065106843(a)email.android.com<mailto:twbfe1jjjap5dl76l23cu2gv.1474065106843@email.android.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Wow !,,,, That looks to nice to cover up..... CheersBill MooreCalgary -------- Original message --------From: David Nunn <dnunn(a)telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>> Date: 2016-09-16 4:04 PM (GMT-07:00) To: 'Mike Drew' <MikeLDrew(a)aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com>>, 'Julian Kift' <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises Julian, Further to what Mike wrote; here's a photo of the front of my engine, with both IPSCO items installed. David -----Original Message----- From: Mike Drew [mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com] Sent: September 16, 2016 2:19 PM To: Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> Cc: David Nunn <dnunn(a)telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>>; detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises Julian, Yes, he mentioned two different products for different applications but only had a link for the stock replacement idler. My photo shows the idler that replaces the alternator to tension the water pump belt. Mike Sent from my iPhone On Sep 16, 2016, at 14:16, Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> wrote: ?? Mike, ?? It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again, the one ?? that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location, but was ?? adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench on ?? the rear. ?? Julian ???? __________________________________________________________________ ?? From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of ?? Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> ?? Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM ?? To: David Nunn ?? Cc: <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> ?? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises ?? All, ?? Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note there ?? is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat firewall ?? kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system. ?? [cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f@namprd18.prod.outlook.com<mailto:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f@namprd18.prod.outlook.com>] ?? Mike ?? Sent from my iPhone ?? On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <dnunn(a)telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>> wrote: ? Rob, ? If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit. It? eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it ?? adjustable. ? It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on IPSCO's ?? web ? site so you have to call or e-mail to get details. ? Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and ?? belt ? tensioning a breeze. ? [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm References ? 1. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm ?? [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg] ?? [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ... ?? www.ipsco.org<http://www.ipsco.org> ?? Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler Pulley, ?? this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench behind ?? the bracket to tighten in ... _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) ?? use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward ?? any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the ?? list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive ?? or approve the archiving of list messages. ?? _______________________________________________ ?? Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA ?? Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes ?? DeTomaso mailing list ?? 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Cheers Bill Moore Calgary -------- Original message -------- From: David Nunn <dnunn(a)telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>> Date: 2016-09-16 4:04 PM (GMT-07:00) To: 'Mike Drew' <MikeLDrew(a)aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com>>, 'Julian Kift' <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises Julian, Further to what Mike wrote; here's a photo of the front of my engine, with both IPSCO items installed. David -----Original Message----- From: Mike Drew [mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com] Sent: September 16, 2016 2:19 PM To: Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> Cc: David Nunn <dnunn(a)telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>>; detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises Julian, Yes, he mentioned two different products for different applications but only had a link for the stock replacement idler. My photo shows the idler that replaces the alternator to tension the water pump belt. Mike Sent from my iPhone On Sep 16, 2016, at 14:16, Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> wrote: > Mike, > > It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again, the one > that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location, but was > adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench on > the rear. > Julian > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of > Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> > Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM > To: David Nunn > Cc: <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises > > All, > Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note there > is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat firewall > kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system. > [cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f@namprd18.prod.outlook.com<mailto:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f@namprd18.prod.outlook.com>] > Mike > Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <dnunn(a)telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>> wrote: >> Rob, >> >> If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit. It >> eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it > adjustable. >> It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on IPSCO's > web >> site so you have to call or e-mail to get details. >> >> Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and > belt >> tensioning a breeze. >> >> [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm >> >> References >> >> 1. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm > [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg] > [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ... > www.ipsco.org<http://www.ipsco.org> > Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler Pulley, > this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench behind > the bracket to tighten in ... >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not >> exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> >> [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward > any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive > or approve the archiving of list messages. > > References > > 1. http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm > 2. http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm > 3. http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm > 4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > 5. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not > exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. ------------------------------ End of DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 ***************************************** _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Good Morning Everyone, I don't want to startup the oil discussion again. But does anyone have thoughts on Rotella Type T 15w40. Which is a heavy duty diesel oil. It was suggested by a local Mustang shop. I like to use the best oil. No synthetics. My rebuilt 351c (nothing fancy done, just the normal upgrades) has about 3,500 miles on it and running great. Thanks so much. Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Julian Kift <[3]julian_kift(a)hotmail.com> Date: Saturday, September 17, 2016 7:56 AM To: Owen Cooke <[4]owen(a)tadhgcooke.com>, "[5]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" <[6]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 It's great to hear that you now have a functioning cooling system, although I have to wonder which of the particular changes contributed most, I suspect the thermostat housing being blocked off was a bulk of the problem. I had a similar experience when I got my first Pantera, it overheated in traffic, so I jumped on the web found all these articles about swapping radiators and fans etc. and duly went and purchased a setup. When I got to going through the car checking the thermostat I found it was a Windsor style, I swapped it for the correct Cleveland t-stat and voila heating issues resolved. It's just a reminder to check the simple stuff prior to laying out big $$$, even now I think there are still a lot of myths' perpetuated about these cars... like someone once said "why let the truth get in the way of a good story" Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <[7]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Owen Cooke <[8]owen(a)tadhgcooke.com> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 2:19 AM To: [9]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 guys i had overheating problems i put in a new hall brass rad but my car had bleed pipe from the rad back to the swirl tank and no fitting in halls rad for it apart from a top bleed screw so i made a junction to fit the original bleed screw and the bleed pipe to it then new mariah (is that the right name) that fir on the stock brackets and wired them directly from the battery to the relays i found the hole under the thermostat was blocked with solder i removed that and fitted a new stat now all is perfect temp wise - warms up steady and holds the 90c or 195f in all conditions my gauge with sender in block beside the pump/stat ready 150f but its steady and i know what to expect very happy with result owen cooke On 16/09/2016 23:31, [10]detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com wrote: Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to [11]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit [12]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso DeTomaso Info Page<[13]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> server.detomasolist.com This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an unmoderated mailing list ... or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [14]detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com You can reach the person managing the list at [15]detomaso-owner(a)server.detomasolist.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..." Daily Detomaso List Digest Today's Topics: 1. Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue) 2. Re: Fans and shroud (Himes, Terry (397C)) 3. Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars) 4. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (LSJ) 5. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue) 6. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue) 7. Re: Fans and shroud (Larry Stock) 8. McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann) 9. Re: Fans and shroud (Ken Green) 10. McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Finch) 11. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars) 12. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars) 13. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Will Kooiman) 14. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann) 15. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Stock) 16. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Mike Drew) 17. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Julian Kift) 18. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Mike Drew) 19. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Finch) 20. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann) 21. NPC, Need transmission suggestions (michael frazier) 22. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (David Nunn) 23. Re: NPC, Need transmission suggestions (bill) 24. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (bill) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 09:29:46 -0700 From: Jack Donahue <[16]demongusta(a)gmail.com> To: "[17]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" <[18]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Cc: "[19]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" <[20]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <[21]CF682A66-9CF9-422E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:54:05 +0000 From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <[22]terry.himes(a)jpl.nasa.gov> To: Jack Donahue <[23]demongusta(a)gmail.com>, "[24]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" <[25]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <[26]D4016E9F.92F3B%thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Jack, Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. I'm not going to change it now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal with it. So keep posting and I will keep saving the responses. ;-) Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [27]thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov<[28]mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> ?? From: DeTomaso <[29]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<[30]mailto:detomaso-bounc es(a)server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Jack Donahue <[31]demongusta(a)gmail.com<[32]mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM To: "[33]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<[34]mailto:detomaso@server.detoma solist.com>" <[35]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<[36]mailto:detomaso@server.detoma solist.com>> Cc: "[37]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<[38]mailto:detomaso@server.detoma solist.com>" <[39]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<[40]mailto:detomaso@server.detoma solist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [41]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<[42]mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomas olist.com> [43]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

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Water in glove box
by Robert Stroj 18 Sep '16

18 Sep '16

Hi, every time I wash my Pantera (71 model) I was finding front right carpet getting wet in the foot area. Last time I happened to open glove box after the wash and it was totally filled with water! Driver side seems to stay dry. This is not even pressure wash, just regular wash without crazy spraying around the door frames etc... I guess it must somehow come in through the front went holes behind the hood? It seems that when I washed the car parked slightly nose up it stayed dry. Also, recently got caught in heavy rain, but did not really get water inside; maybe when car moves it drains different way...? Did anyone have a similar problem and any suggestions where to look/how to fix? Also, my wipers work just on second speed; on first nothing happens. Would that likely be a switch issue or it could be that they are wired wrong? Thanks, Robert PS. A nice photo from recent drive over Dolomites...just trying to pull out front fender lip a bit :)

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Re: [DeTomaso] Water in glove box
by Charles Engles 18 Sep '16

18 Sep '16

Dear Larry, Egad!! The renaissance man of Panteras and the Leonardo DaVinci of Cleveland! Brilliant technique. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Larry - Ohio Time Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 9:34 AM To: 'Robert Stroj'; detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Water in glove box Robert, I do things a bit differently (who's surprised?) to find water leak. On my big Sears shop vac it has a blower connection. I make an adapter plate, with hole for the vac hose, to fit into the window channel with the window down 5 or 6". You will need to tape the panel in good with painters tape to seal it. The next thing you will need is a spray bottle with a bit of soap in it. I use my car washing soap so not to mess up my wax job. When you turn the vac on, with the hose in the "blow hole" you are now pressurizing the cabin of the car. Spray the soapy water around and you will see it bubble up where you have a leak. You will be surprised by the number leaks you find. Larry (I doun't always suck) - Cleveland -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Robert Stroj Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 4:57 AM To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Water in glove box Hi, Thanks for all the suggestions, I hope that it could be a case of a leak trough the went tube. My car is early model with direct vent, operated by a pull-lever below the AC control button. I really think this makes sense as amount of water (roughly 1L I would estimate) that entered after just quick wash seems impossible to get through window gasket.I hope! Now I do not have access to the car till spring, but remember noticing that window seal has been sealed additionally with black silicon, so hope that is OK. Once I get back to Europe will open scrim panels around wipers and check if I can find what's going on there. I guess there must be somewhere a drain in there; might be plugged and then all water just leaks trough vent opening. Thanks again for all the responses, Robert From: The Goyaniuks [mailto:andriykoisg@yahoo.ca] Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 2:19 PM To: jgkrenton(a)comcast.net; Robert Stroj; detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Water in glove box In early cars, I believe there was a fresh air "tube" or cylinder that was installed in the passenger side cowl vent "tub". In addition there is a water drain in the cowl vent "tub". In the event of a crack or corrosion in the weld that attaches these items ... it could be the source of the leak. HTH _____ From: "jgkrenton(a)comcast.net" <jgkrenton(a)comcast.net> To: Robert Stroj <npdrs(a)maui.net> Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Water in glove box Dolomites are beautiful. On my car (2467) it's the lower windshield seal leaking that fills up the glove box. It rains in Seattle. FYI. Jeff __________________________________________________________________ From: "Robert Stroj" <npdrs(a)maui.net> To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 9:40:43 AM Subject: [DeTomaso] Water in glove box Hi, every time I wash my Pantera (71 model) I was finding front right carpet getting wet in the foot area. Last time I happened to open glove box after the wash and it was totally filled with water! Driver side seems to stay dry. This is not even pressure wash, just regular wash without crazy spraying around the door frames etc... I guess it must somehow come in through the front went holes behind the hood? It seems that when I washed the car parked slightly nose up it stayed dry. Also, recently got caught in heavy rain, but did not really get water inside; maybe when car moves it drains different way...? Did anyone have a similar problem and any suggestions where to look/how to fix? Also, my wipers work just on second speed; on first nothing happens. Would that likely be a switch issue or it could be that they are wired wrong? Thanks, Robert PS. A nice photo from recent drive over Dolomites...just trying to pull out front fender lip a bit :) _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 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Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions
by bill 17 Sep '16

17 Sep '16

I use Driven Racing Oil, Hot Rod, synthetic 15W-50 CheersBill MooreCalgary -------- Original message --------From: Michael Barnes <michaelbarnessrt10(a)hotmail.co.uk> Date: 2016-09-17 2:11 PM (GMT-07:00) To: Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com> Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions Thanks for that, I had no idea there were so many formulas Sent from Michael's iPhone On 17 Sep 2016, at 21:02, Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> wrote: The Mobil 1 Racing has the highest ZDDP at 1750 as it does not have to comply with the mandated specs for street use. The other weights of Mobil 1 have varying amounts of ZDDP, it looks like the 0-40W FS has 1,000 ppm which I think is the upper limit allowable for the SF rating compliance. Here's the 2016 specs of the various Mobil 1 offerings; https://mobiloil.com/~/media/amer/us/pvl/files/pdfs/mobil-1-oil-product-spe… With your new rebuild you'll ideally want to use a good break in oil initially to get the rings seated etc. Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Michael Barnes <michaelbarnessrt10(a)hotmail.co.uk<mailto:michaelbarnessrt10@hotmail.co.uk>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 12:37 PM To: Dave Londry Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions So , is synthetic compatible with our Cleveland engines, say 0-40 ? My engine is currently being upgraded and I am hoping to use Mobil One Sent from Michael's iPhone > On 17 Sep 2016, at 19:12, Dave Londry <davel(a)emspace.com<mailto:davel@emspace.com>> wrote: > > Ever since the specs on Mobil 1 went to hell I've been using Rotella T6. > It's got a great set of specs and they've been keeping them stable. > > And just to keep the discussion lively - > > ***A synthetic is superior in every aspect of lubrication.*** > Dave > > >> On 2016-09-17 10:47 AM, Julian Kift wrote: >> Traditionally diesel oils have high levels of detergents to deal with >> the high sulfur, acidic conditions and higher heat etc. however with >> the advent of low sulfur diesels they have come closer to gasoline >> formulations. In fact there are a number of "Full fleet' oils designed >> for use in both gasoline and diesel engines now. What diesel oils do >> have is a high level of ZDDP required for older flat tappet >> cams (Rotella T is 1200 ppm ZDDP) and Rotella T is actually recommended >> by the Porsche Club of America. >> >> I do think there's a bit of a contradiction in terms between "Rotella >> Type T 15W40" "I like to use the best oil" and "No synthetics"; no >> doubt synthetics are more robust than dinosaur oil and the Rotella T >> oils are now split into varying T grades T1 straight grade, T4 triple >> protection , T5 synthetic and T6 a synthetic extreme temperature. All >> have 1200 ppm of ZDDP as far as I can ascertain so the T6 would be the >> best, although I'm sure the lesser will do the job. >> >> Yes it's confusing, but not rocket science.... >> >> Personally I use Amsoil Z-Rod in my classic cars and have one of their >> preferred customer accounts for discount as I also buy pure racing oils >> and marine products. >> >> Julian >> __________________________________________________________________ >> >> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of >> Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes(a)jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov>> >> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 9:50 AM >> To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions >> >> Good Morning Everyone, >> I don't want to startup the oil discussion again. But does anyone have >> thoughts on >> Rotella Type T 15w40. Which is a heavy duty diesel oil. It was >> suggested by a local >> Mustang shop. I like to use the best oil. No synthetics. >> My rebuilt 351c (nothing fancy done, just the normal upgrades) has >> about 3,500 miles >> on it and running great. >> Thanks so much. >> Terry >> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, >> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" >> Terry W. Himes >> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory >> Dawn Spacecraft Team >> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead >> Phone: (818) 393-6261 >> Cell: (818) 653-8213 >> Fax: (818) 393-3147 >> thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov><[1]mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> >> From: DeTomaso >> <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve >> r.detomasolist.com<http://r.detomasolist.com>>> on behalf of Julian Kift >> <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com><mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> >> Date: Saturday, September 17, 2016 7:56 AM >> To: Owen Cooke <owen(a)tadhgcooke.com<mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com><mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com>>, >> "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c >> om>" >> <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c >> om>> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 >> It's great to hear that you now have a functioning cooling system, >> although I have to wonder which of the particular changes contributed >> most, I suspect the thermostat housing being blocked off was a bulk of >> the problem. >> I had a similar experience when I got my first Pantera, it overheated >> in traffic, so I jumped on the web found all these articles about >> swapping radiators and fans etc. and duly went and purchased a setup. >> When I got to going through the car checking the thermostat I found it >> was a Windsor style, I swapped it for the correct Cleveland t-stat and >> voila heating issues resolved. >> It's just a reminder to check the simple stuff prior to laying out big >> $$$, even now I think there are still a lot of myths' perpetuated about >> these cars... like someone once said "why let the truth get in the way >> of a good story" >> Julian >> ________________________________ >> From: DeTomaso >> <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve >> r.detomasolist.com<http://r.detomasolist.com>>> on behalf of Owen Cooke >> <owen(a)tadhgcooke.com<mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com><mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com>> >> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 2:19 AM >> To: >> detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.co >> m> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 >> guys >> i had overheating problems >> i put in a new hall brass rad but my car had bleed pipe from the rad >> back to the swirl tank and no fitting in halls rad for it apart from a >> top bleed screw >> so i made a junction to fit the original bleed screw and the bleed pipe >> to it >> then new mariah (is that the right name) that fir on the stock brackets >> and wired them directly from the battery to the relays >> i found the hole under the thermostat was blocked with solder >> i removed that and fitted a new stat >> now all is perfect temp wise - warms up steady and holds the 90c or >> 195f in all conditions >> my gauge with sender in block beside the pump/stat ready 150f but its >> steady and i know what to expect >> very happy with result >> owen cooke >> On 16/09/2016 23:31, >> detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso-request@server >> .detomasolist.com<http://detomasolist.com>> wrote: >> Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to >> >> detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.co >> m> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> [2]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> DeTomaso Info >> Page<[3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> >> server.detomasolist.com<http://server.detomasolist.com> >> This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the >> discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an >> unmoderated mailing list ... >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> >> detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso-request@server >> .detomasolist.com<http://detomasolist.com>> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> >> detomaso-owner(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-owner@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso-owner@server.det >> omasolist.com<http://omasolist.com>> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..." >> Daily Detomaso List Digest >> Today's Topics: >> 1. Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue) >> 2. Re: Fans and shroud (Himes, Terry (397C)) >> 3. Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars) >> 4. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (LSJ) >> 5. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue) >> 6. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue) >> 7. Re: Fans and shroud (Larry Stock) >> 8. McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann) >> 9. Re: Fans and shroud (Ken Green) >> 10. McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Finch) >> 11. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars) >> 12. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars) >> 13. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Will Kooiman) >> 14. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann) >> 15. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Stock) >> 16. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Mike Drew) >> 17. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Julian Kift) >> 18. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Mike Drew) >> 19. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Finch) >> 20. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann) >> 21. NPC, Need transmission suggestions (michael frazier) >> 22. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (David Nunn) >> 23. Re: NPC, Need transmission suggestions (bill) >> 24. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (bill) >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 09:29:46 -0700 >> From: Jack Donahue <demongusta(a)gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com><mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> >> To: >> "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c >> om>" >> >> <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c >> om>> >> Cc: >> "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c >> om>" >> >> <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c >> om>> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud >> Message-ID: >> <CF682A66-9CF9-422E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC(a)gmail.com<mailto:CF682A66-9CF9-422E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com><mailto:CF682A66-9CF9-42 >> 2E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC(a)gmail.com<mailto:2E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com>>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about >> radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I >> wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to >> admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, >> but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There >> really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right >> now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will >> ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. >> Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are >> suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - >> sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, >> and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s >> since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a >> perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone >> offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for >> me. >> So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: >> jack >> #4348 >> ------------------------------ >> Message: 2 >> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:54:05 +0000 >> From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" >> <terry.himes(a)jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov><mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov>> >> To: Jack Donahue <demongusta(a)gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com><mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>>, >> >> "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c >> om>" >> <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c >> om>> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud >> Message-ID: >> <D4016E9F.92F3B%thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov><mailto:D4016E9F.92F3B%thimes@jpl.na<mailto:thimes@jpl.na> >> sa.gov<http://sa.gov>>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> Jack, >> Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. I'm >> not going to change it >> now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal with >> it. So keep posting and >> I will keep saving the responses. ;-) >> Terry >> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, >> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" >> Terry W. Himes >> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory >> Dawn Spacecraft Team >> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead >> Phone: (818) 393-6261 >> Cell: (818) 653-8213 >> Fax: (818) 393-3147 >> thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov><[4]mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov><mailto:thimes@jpl.na >> sa.gov<http://sa.gov>> >> ?? >> From: DeTomaso >> <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve >> r.detomasolist.com<http://r.detomasolist.com>><mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> >> on behalf of Jack Donahue >> <demongusta(a)gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com><mailto:demongusta@gmail.com><mailto:demongusta@gm >> ail.com<http://ail.com>>> >> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM >> To: >> "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c >> om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" >> <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c >> om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> >> Cc: >> "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c >> om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" >> <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c >> om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud >> Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about >> radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I >> wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to >> admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, >> but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There >> really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right >> now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will >> ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. >> Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are >> suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - >> sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, >> and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s >> since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a >> perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone >> offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for >> me. >> So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: >> jack >> #4348 >> _______________________________________________ >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.co >> m><mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> >> [5]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) >> use the links above. >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the >> list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive >> or approve the archiving of list messages. >> I use Driven Racing Oil, Hot Rod, synthetic 15W-50 Cheers Bill Moore Calgary -------- Original message -------- From: Michael Barnes <michaelbarnessrt10(a)hotmail.co.uk> Date: 2016-09-17 2:11 PM (GMT-07:00) To: Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com> Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions Thanks for that, I had no idea there were so many formulas Sent from Michael's iPhone On 17 Sep 2016, at 21:02, Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> wrote: The Mobil 1 Racing has the highest ZDDP at 1750 as it does not have to comply with the mandated specs for street use. The other weights of Mobil 1 have varying amounts of ZDDP, it looks like the 0-40W FS has 1,000 ppm which I think is the upper limit allowable for the SF rating compliance. Here's the 2016 specs of the various Mobil 1 offerings; https://mobiloil.com/~/media/amer/us/pvl/files/pdfs/mobil-1-oil-product -specs-guide-2016.pdf With your new rebuild you'll ideally want to use a good break in oil initially to get the rings seated etc. Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve r.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Michael Barnes <michaelbarnessrt10(a)hotmail.co.uk<mailto:michaelbarnessrt10@hotmail.co. uk>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 12:37 PM To: Dave Londry Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.co m> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions So , is synthetic compatible with our Cleveland engines, say 0-40 ? My engine is currently being upgraded and I am hoping to use Mobil One Sent from Michael's iPhone > On 17 Sep 2016, at 19:12, Dave Londry <davel(a)emspace.com<mailto:davel@emspace.com>> wrote: > > Ever since the specs on Mobil 1 went to hell I've been using Rotella T6. > It's got a great set of specs and they've been keeping them stable. > > And just to keep the discussion lively - > > ***A synthetic is superior in every aspect of lubrication.*** > Dave > > >> On 2016-09-17 10:47 AM, Julian Kift wrote: >> Traditionally diesel oils have high levels of detergents to deal with >> the high sulfur, acidic conditions and higher heat etc. however with >> the advent of low sulfur diesels they have come closer to gasoline >> formulations. In fact there are a number of "Full fleet' oils designed >> for use in both gasoline and diesel engines now. What diesel oils do >> have is a high level of ZDDP required for older flat tappet >> cams (Rotella T is 1200 ppm ZDDP) and Rotella T is actually recommended >> by the Porsche Club of America. >> >> I do think there's a bit of a contradiction in terms between "Rotella >> Type T 15W40" "I like to use the best oil" and "No synthetics"; no >> doubt synthetics are more robust than dinosaur oil and the Rotella T >> oils are now split into varying T grades T1 straight grade, T4 triple >> protection , T5 synthetic and T6 a synthetic extreme temperature. All >> have 1200 ppm of ZDDP as far as I can ascertain so the T6 would be the >> best, although I'm sure the lesser will do the job. >> >> Yes it's confusing, but not rocket science.... >> >> Personally I use Amsoil Z-Rod in my classic cars and have one of their >> preferred customer accounts for discount as I also buy pure racing oils >> and marine products. >> >> Julian >> __________________________________________________________________ >> >> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve r.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of >> Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes(a)jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov>> >> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 9:50 AM >> To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.co m> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions >> >> Good Morning Everyone, >> I don't want to startup the oil discussion again. But does anyone have >> thoughts on >> Rotella Type T 15w40. Which is a heavy duty diesel oil. It was >> suggested by a local >> Mustang shop. I like to use the best oil. No synthetics. >> My rebuilt 351c (nothing fancy done, just the normal upgrades) has >> about 3,500 miles >> on it and running great. >> Thanks so much. >> Terry >> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, >> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" >> Terry W. Himes >> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory >> Dawn Spacecraft Team >> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead >> Phone: (818) 393-6261 >> Cell: (818) 653-8213 >> Fax: (818) 393-3147 >> thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov><[1]mailto:thimes@jpl.na sa.gov> >> From: DeTomaso >> <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve r.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve >> r.detomasolist.com<http://r.detomasolist.com>>> on behalf of Julian Kift >> <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com><mailto:julian_ kift(a)hotmail.com>> >> Date: Saturday, September 17, 2016 7:56 AM >> To: Owen Cooke <owen(a)tadhgcooke.com<mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com><mailto:owen@tadhgcooke .com>>, >> "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c >> om>" >> <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c >> om>> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 >> It's great to hear that you now have a functioning cooling system, >> although I have to wonder which of the particular changes contributed >> most, I suspect the thermostat housing being blocked off was a bulk of >> the problem. >> I had a similar experience when I got my first Pantera, it overheated >> in traffic, so I jumped on the web found all these articles about >> swapping radiators and fans etc. and duly went and purchased a setup. >> When I got to going through the car checking the thermostat I found it >> was a Windsor style, I swapped it for the correct Cleveland t-stat and >> voila heating issues resolved. >> It's just a reminder to check the simple stuff prior to laying out big >> $$$, even now I think there are still a lot of myths' perpetuated about >> these cars... like someone once said "why let the truth get in the way >> of a good story" >> Julian >> ________________________________ >> From: DeTomaso >> <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve r.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve >> r.detomasolist.com<http://r.detomasolist.com>>> on behalf of Owen Cooke >> <owen(a)tadhgcooke.com<mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com><mailto:owen@tadhgcooke .com>> >> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 2:19 AM >> To: >> detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.co m><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.co >> m> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 >> guys >> i had overheating problems >> i put in a new hall brass rad but my car had bleed pipe from the rad >> back to the swirl tank and no fitting in halls rad for it apart from a >> top bleed screw >> so i made a junction to fit the original bleed screw and the bleed pipe >> to it >> then new mariah (is that the right name) that fir on the stock brackets >> and wired them directly from the battery to the relays >> i found the hole under the thermostat was blocked with solder >> i removed that and fitted a new stat >> now all is perfect temp wise - warms up steady and holds the 90c or >> 195f in all conditions >> my gauge with sender in block beside the pump/stat ready 150f but its >> steady and i know what to expect >> very happy with result >> owen cooke >> On 16/09/2016 23:31, >> detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-request@server .detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso-request@server >> .detomasolist.com<http://detomasolist.com>> wrote: >> Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to >> >> detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.co m><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.co >> m> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> [2]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> DeTomaso Info >> Page<[3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> >> server.detomasolist.com<http://server.detomasolist.com> >> This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the >> discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an >> unmoderated mailing list ... >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> >> detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-request@server .detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso-request@server >> .detomasolist.com<http://detomasolist.com>> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> >> detomaso-owner(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-owner@server.det omasolist.com><mailto:detomaso-owner@server.det >> omasolist.com<http://omasolist.com>> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..." >> Daily Detomaso List Digest >> Today's Topics: >> 1. Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue) >> 2. Re: Fans and shroud (Himes, Terry (397C)) >> 3. Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars) >> 4. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (LSJ) >> 5. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue) >> 6. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue) >> 7. Re: Fans and shroud (Larry Stock) >> 8. McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann) >> 9. Re: Fans and shroud (Ken Green) >> 10. McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Finch) >> 11. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars) >> 12. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars) >> 13. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Will Kooiman) >> 14. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann) >> 15. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Stock) >> 16. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Mike Drew) >> 17. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Julian Kift) >> 18. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Mike Drew) >> 19. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Finch) >> 20. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann) >> 21. NPC, Need transmission suggestions (michael frazier) >> 22. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (David Nunn) >> 23. Re: NPC, Need transmission suggestions (bill) >> 24. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (bill) >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 09:29:46 -0700 >> From: Jack Donahue <demongusta(a)gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com><mailto:demongusta@gm ail.com>> >> To: >> "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c >> om>" >> >> <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c >> om>> >> Cc: >> "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c >> om>" >> >> <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c >> om>> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud >> Message-ID: >> <CF682A66-9CF9-422E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC(a)gmail.com<mailto:CF682A66-9CF9-42 2E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC(a)gmail.com><mailto:CF682A66-9CF9-42 >> 2E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC(a)gmail.com<mailto:2E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com>>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about >> radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I >> wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to >> admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, >> but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There >> really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right >> now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will >> ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. >> Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are >> suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - >> sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, >> and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s >> since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a >> perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone >> offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for >> me. >> So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: >> jack >> #4348 >> ------------------------------ >> Message: 2 >> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:54:05 +0000 >> From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" >> <terry.himes(a)jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov><mailto:terry .himes(a)jpl.nasa.gov>> >> To: Jack Donahue <demongusta(a)gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com><mailto:demongusta@gm ail.com>>, >> >> "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c >> om>" >> <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c >> om>> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud >> Message-ID: >> <D4016E9F.92F3B%thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov><mailto: D4016E9F.92F3B%thimes(a)jpl.na<mailto:thimes@jpl.na> >> sa.gov<http://sa.gov>>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> Jack, >> Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. I'm >> not going to change it >> now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal with >> it. So keep posting and >> I will keep saving the responses. ;-) >> Terry >> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, >> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" >> Terry W. Himes >> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory >> Dawn Spacecraft Team >> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead >> Phone: (818) 393-6261 >> Cell: (818) 653-8213 >> Fax: (818) 393-3147 >> thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov><[4]mailto:thimes@jpl.na sa.gov><mailto:thimes@jpl.na >> sa.gov<http://sa.gov>> >> ?? >> From: DeTomaso >> <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve r.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve >> r.detomasolist.com<http://r.detomasolist.com>><mailto:detomaso-bounces@ server.detomasolist.com>> >> on behalf of Jack Donahue >> <demongusta(a)gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com><mailto:demongusta@gm ail.com><mailto:demongusta@gm >> ail.com<http://ail.com>>> >> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM >> To: >> "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c >> om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" >> <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c >> om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> >> Cc: >> "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c >> om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" >> <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c >> om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud >> Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about >> radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I >> wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to >> admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, >> but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There >> really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right >> now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will >> ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. >> Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are >> suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - >> sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, >> and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s >> since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a >> perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone >> offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for >> me. >> So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: >> jack >> #4348 >> _______________________________________________ >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.co m><mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.co >> m><mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> >> [5]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) >> use the links above. >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the >> list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive >> or approve the archiving of list messages. >>

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Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out
by Asa Jay Laughton 17 Sep '16

17 Sep '16

I will add this. Of any car, I think the Pantera is the easiest to pull a transmission out of. With that in mind, I might not put too much weight in the inconvenience of failure, though any failure is inconvenient. Asa Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks Cullen McCann <cmccann1972(a)gmail.com> wrote: >Thank you Mike! > >I did have a very similar customer service experience with McLeod. The unit >that's in my cobra was an older unit had acquired from another project.... >and just exactly like you stated, when I sent it to them for a rebuild >before installing in my build, they sent me a brand new unit in the box to >ensure "a positive experience with their product". At no cost. Not even >rebuild cost. > >That being said, do to your experience as well as others stated on this >discussion, I will consider my options carefully going forward. > >Thank you so much > >Cullen. > >On Sep 17, 2016 4:25 PM, <MikeLDrew(a)aol.com> wrote: > >> >> >> In a message dated 9/16/16 12 10 0, cmccann1972(a)gmail.com writes: >> >> >> Good afternoon! >> >> Has anyone installed the McLeod hydraulic throwout bearing that they say is >> Pantera specific for the ZF, and what was your experience? I've had a >> fantastic experience with them on another performance car application. >> >> https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22 >> >> >> >>>I have had a McLeod hyd throw out bearing in my Pantera since 1993. In >> 2013, a seal failed and it started drooling fluid. I pulled the gearbox and >> removed it, and called McLeod. >> >> They told me they had performed two design revisions (improvements) since >> mine was made, and arranged to take mine in for a rebuild. >> >> I got it back two weeks later. Besides installing the new hydraulics, they >> went ahead and replaced the actual bearing, even though the old one only >> had 5000 miles or so and was still in fine shape. So they essentially gave >> me an entirely new setup, and shipped it back to me... >> >> For FREE! >> >> I called them and asked about payment when it arrived and they told me not >> to worry about it! This despite the fact that the one I sent them was >> TWENTY years old!!! >> >> Now, I can't guarantee they would treat you exactly the same way, but that >> gives a clear indication about how they feel about their customers >> generally. >> >> BUT. >> >> Having said that, knowing what I know now, I would never convert from a >> functioning stock system to an internal throwout bearing. The advantages >> are minimal, and disadvantages great, not the least of which is the high >> cost. From a maintenance perspective, they are a nightmare, as whenever >> the slightly thing goes wrong you have to pull your gearbox. (My Pantera >> has been all but sidelined for the better part of a year due to my own >> laziness, because when I installed my rebuilt unit I stupidly failed to >> consider that they would not respect my precise measurements when they >> reassembled it, and thus it was put together with insufficient clearance so >> that as the disc wore, now it's slipping). >> >> If I hadn't already made the conversion, I would never do it. Having done >> it, and gotten rid of all the (expensive) parts that are removed when doing >> so, it is cost-prohibitive to change back, so I will just grit my teeth and >> (someday, maybe Monday) pull it apart to adjust it properly and then put it >> back together. >> >> FWIW…. >> >> Mike >> > > Thank you Mike! > > I did have a very similar customer service experience with McLeod. The > unit that's in my cobra was an older unit had acquired from another > project.... and just exactly like you stated, when I sent it to them > for a rebuild before installing in myA build, they sent me a brand new > unit in the box to ensure "a positive experience with their product". > At no cost. Not even rebuild cost. > > That being said, do to your experience as well as others stated on this > discussion, I will consider my options carefully going forward. > > Thank you so much > > Cullen. > > On Sep 17, 2016 4:25 PM, <[1]MikeLDrew(a)aol.com> wrote: > > In a message dated 9/16/16 12 10 0, [2]cmccann1972(a)gmail.com writes: > Good afternoon! > Has anyone installed the McLeod hydraulic throwout bearing that they > say is > Pantera specific for the ZF, and what was your experience? I've had > a > fantastic experience with them on another performance car > application. > [3]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22 > >>>I have had a McLeod hyd throw out bearing in my Pantera since > 1993. In 2013, a seal failed and it started drooling fluid. I pulled > the gearbox and removed it, and called McLeod. > They told me they had performed two design revisions (improvements) > since mine was made, and arranged to take mine in for a rebuild. > I got it back two weeks later. Besides installing the new > hydraulics, they went ahead and replaced the actual bearing, even > though the old one only had 5000 miles or so and was still in fine > shape. So they essentially gave me an entirely new setup, and > shipped it back to me... > For FREE! > I called them and asked about payment when it arrived and they told > me not to worry about it!A This despite the fact that the one I > sent them was TWENTY years old!!! > Now, I can't guarantee they would treat you exactly the same way, > but that gives a clear indication about how they feel about their > customers generally. > BUT. > Having said that, knowing what I know now, I would never convert > from a functioning stock system to an internal throwout bearing.A > The advantages are minimal, and disadvantages great, not the least > of which is the high cost.A From a maintenance perspective, they > are a nightmare, as whenever the slightly thing goes wrong you have > to pull your gearbox.A (My Pantera has been all but sidelined for > the better part of a year due to my own laziness, because when I > installed my rebuilt unit I stupidly failed to consider that they > would not respect my precise measurements when they reassembled it, > and thus it was put together with insufficient clearance so that as > the disc wore, now it's slipping). > If I hadn't already made the conversion, I would never do it.A > Having done it, and gotten rid of all the (expensive) parts that are > removed when doing so, it is cost-prohibitive to change back, so I > will just grit my teeth and (someday, maybe Monday) pull it apart to > adjust it properly and then put it back together. > FWIWa|. > Mike > >References > > 1. mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com > 2. mailto:cmccann1972@gmail.com > 3. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22 > >_______________________________________________ > > >Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >DeTomaso mailing list >DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > >To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > >Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. I will add this. Of any car, I think the Pantera is the easiest to pull a transmission out of. With that in mind, I might not put too much weight in the inconvenience of failure, though any failure is inconvenient. Asa Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks Cullen McCann <cmccann1972(a)gmail.com> wrote: Thank you Mike! I did have a very similar customer service experience with McLeod. The unit that's in my cobra was an older unit had acquired from another project.... and just exactly like you stated, when I sent it to them for a rebuild before installing in my build, they sent me a brand new unit in the box to ensure "a positive experience with their product". At no cost. Not even rebuild cost. That being said, do to your experience as well as others stated on this discussion, I will consider my options carefully going forward. Thank you so much Cullen. On Sep 17, 2016 4:25 PM, <MikeLDrew(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > In a message dated 9/16/16 12 10 0, cmccann1972(a)gmail.com writes: > > > Good afternoon! > > Has anyone installed the McLeod hydraulic throwout bearing that they say is > Pantera specific for the ZF, and what was your experience? I've had a > fantastic experience with them on another performance car application. > > https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22 > > > >>>I have had a McLeod hyd throw out bearing in my Pantera since 1993. In > 2013, a seal failed and it started drooling fluid. I pulled the gearbox and > removed it, and called McLeod. > > They told me they had performed two design revisions (improvements) since > mine was made, and arranged to take mine in for a rebuild. > > I got it back two weeks later. Besides installing the new hydraulics, they > went ahead and replaced the actual bearing, even though the old one only > had 5000 miles or so and was still in fine shape. So they essentially gave > me an entirely new setup, and shipped it back to me... > > For FREE! > > I called them and asked about payment when it arrived and they told me not > to worry about it! This despite the fact that the one I sent them was > TWENTY years old!!! > > Now, I can't guarantee they would treat you exactly the same way, but that > gives a clear indication about how they feel about their customers > generally. > > BUT. > > Having said that, knowing what I know now, I would never convert from a > functioning stock system to an internal throwout bearing. The advantages > are minimal, and disadvantages great, not the least of which is the high > cost. From a maintenance perspective, they are a nightmare, as whenever > the slightly thing goes wrong you have to pull your gearbox. (My Pantera > has been all but sidelined for the better part of a year due to my own > laziness, because when I installed my rebuilt unit I stupidly failed to > consider that they would not respect my precise measurements when they > reassembled it, and thus it was put together with insufficient clearance so > that as the disc wore, now it's slipping). > > If I hadn't already made the conversion, I would never do it. Having done > it, and gotten rid of all the (expensive) parts that are removed when doing > so, it is cost-prohibitive to change back, so I will just grit my teeth and > (someday, maybe Monday) pull it apart to adjust it properly and then put it > back together. > > FWIWa|. > > Mike > Thank you Mike! I did have a very similar customer service experience with McLeod. The unit that's in my cobra was an older unit had acquired from another project.... and just exactly like you stated, when I sent it to them for a rebuild before installing in myA build, they sent me a brand new unit in the box to ensure "a positive experience with their product". At no cost. Not even rebuild cost. That being said, do to your experience as well as others stated on this discussion, I will consider my options carefully going forward. Thank you so much Cullen. On Sep 17, 2016 4:25 PM, <[1]MikeLDrew(a)aol.com> wrote: In a message dated 9/16/16 12 10 0, [2]cmccann1972(a)gmail.com writes: Good afternoon! Has anyone installed the McLeod hydraulic throwout bearing that they say is Pantera specific for the ZF, and what was your experience? I've had a fantastic experience with them on another performance car application. [3]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22 >>>I have had a McLeod hyd throw out bearing in my Pantera since 1993. In 2013, a seal failed and it started drooling fluid. I pulled the gearbox and removed it, and called McLeod. They told me they had performed two design revisions (improvements) since mine was made, and arranged to take mine in for a rebuild. I got it back two weeks later. Besides installing the new hydraulics, they went ahead and replaced the actual bearing, even though the old one only had 5000 miles or so and was still in fine shape. So they essentially gave me an entirely new setup, and shipped it back to me... For FREE! I called them and asked about payment when it arrived and they told me not to worry about it!A This despite the fact that the one I sent them was TWENTY years old!!! Now, I can't guarantee they would treat you exactly the same way, but that gives a clear indication about how they feel about their customers generally. BUT. Having said that, knowing what I know now, I would never convert from a functioning stock system to an internal throwout bearing.A The advantages are minimal, and disadvantages great, not the least of which is the high cost.A From a maintenance perspective, they are a nightmare, as whenever the slightly thing goes wrong you have to pull your gearbox.A (My Pantera has been all but sidelined for the better part of a year due to my own laziness, because when I installed my rebuilt unit I stupidly failed to consider that they would not respect my precise measurements when they reassembled it, and thus it was put together with insufficient clearance so that as the disc wore, now it's slipping). If I hadn't already made the conversion, I would never do it.A Having done it, and gotten rid of all the (expensive) parts that are removed when doing so, it is cost-prohibitive to change back, so I will just grit my teeth and (someday, maybe Monday) pull it apart to adjust it properly and then put it back together. FWIWa|. Mike References 1. mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com 2. mailto:cmccann1972@gmail.com 3. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out
by MikeLDrew＠aol.com 17 Sep '16

17 Sep '16

In a message dated 9/16/16 12 10 0, cmccann1972(a)gmail.com writes: Good afternoon! Has anyone installed the McLeod hydraulic throwout bearing that they say is Pantera specific for the ZF, and what was your experience? I've had a fantastic experience with them on another performance car application. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22 >>>I have had a McLeod hyd throw out bearing in my Pantera since 1993. In 2013, a seal failed and it started drooling fluid. I pulled the gearbox and removed it, and called McLeod. They told me they had performed two design revisions (improvements) since mine was made, and arranged to take mine in for a rebuild. I got it back two weeks later. Besides installing the new hydraulics, they went ahead and replaced the actual bearing, even though the old one only had 5000 miles or so and was still in fine shape. So they essentially gave me an entirely new setup, and shipped it back to me... For FREE! I called them and asked about payment when it arrived and they told me not to worry about it! This despite the fact that the one I sent them was TWENTY years old!!! Now, I can't guarantee they would treat you exactly the same way, but that gives a clear indication about how they feel about their customers generally. BUT. Having said that, knowing what I know now, I would never convert from a functioning stock system to an internal throwout bearing. The advantages are minimal, and disadvantages great, not the least of which is the high cost. >From a maintenance perspective, they are a nightmare, as whenever the slightly thing goes wrong you have to pull your gearbox. (My Pantera has been all but sidelined for the better part of a year due to my own laziness, because when I installed my rebuilt unit I stupidly failed to consider that they would not respect my precise measurements when they reassembled it, and thus it was put together with insufficient clearance so that as the disc wore, now it's slipping). If I hadn't already made the conversion, I would never do it. Having done it, and gotten rid of all the (expensive) parts that are removed when doing so, it is cost-prohibitive to change back, so I will just grit my teeth and (someday, maybe Monday) pull it apart to adjust it properly and then put it back together. FWIW…. Mike In a message dated 9/16/16 12 10 0, cmccann1972(a)gmail.com writes: Good afternoon! Has anyone installed the McLeod hydraulic throwout bearing that they say is Pantera specific for the ZF, and what was your experience? I've had a fantastic experience with them on another performance car application. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22 >>>I have had a McLeod hyd throw out bearing in my Pantera since 1993. In 2013, a seal failed and it started drooling fluid. I pulled the gearbox and removed it, and called McLeod. They told me they had performed two design revisions (improvements) since mine was made, and arranged to take mine in for a rebuild. I got it back two weeks later. Besides installing the new hydraulics, they went ahead and replaced the actual bearing, even though the old one only had 5000 miles or so and was still in fine shape. So they essentially gave me an entirely new setup, and shipped it back to me... For FREE! I called them and asked about payment when it arrived and they told me not to worry about it! This despite the fact that the one I sent them was TWENTY years old!!! Now, I can't guarantee they would treat you exactly the same way, but that gives a clear indication about how they feel about their customers generally. BUT. Having said that, knowing what I know now, I would never convert from a functioning stock system to an internal throwout bearing. The advantages are minimal, and disadvantages great, not the least of which is the high cost. From a maintenance perspective, they are a nightmare, as whenever the slightly thing goes wrong you have to pull your gearbox. (My Pantera has been all but sidelined for the better part of a year due to my own laziness, because when I installed my rebuilt unit I stupidly failed to consider that they would not respect my precise measurements when they reassembled it, and thus it was put together with insufficient clearance so that as the disc wore, now it's slipping). If I hadn't already made the conversion, I would never do it. Having done it, and gotten rid of all the (expensive) parts that are removed when doing so, it is cost-prohibitive to change back, so I will just grit my teeth and (someday, maybe Monday) pull it apart to adjust it properly and then put it back together. FWIWa|. Mike

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Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions
by Asa Jay Laughton 17 Sep '16

17 Sep '16

I've been using synthetics in my Clevelands for more than 20 years and am satisfied. My primary concern is having enough ZDDP and the Amsoil I use helps satisfy that. I also use an oil analysis service, Blackstone Labs, which helps me see what is wearing out. Asa Jay. Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks Michael Barnes <michaelbarnessrt10(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote: >So , is synthetic compatible with our Cleveland engines, say 0-40 ? My engine is currently being upgraded and I am hoping to use Mobil One > >Sent from Michael's iPhone > >> On 17 Sep 2016, at 19:12, Dave Londry <davel(a)emspace.com> wrote: >> >> Ever since the specs on Mobil 1 went to hell I've been using Rotella T6. >> It's got a great set of specs and they've been keeping them stable. >> >> And just to keep the discussion lively - >> >> ***A synthetic is superior in every aspect of lubrication.*** >> Dave >> >> >>> On 2016-09-17 10:47 AM, Julian Kift wrote: >>> Traditionally diesel oils have high levels of detergents to deal with >>> the high sulfur, acidic conditions and higher heat etc. however with >>> the advent of low sulfur diesels they have come closer to gasoline >>> formulations. In fact there are a number of "Full fleet' oils designed >>> for use in both gasoline and diesel engines now. What diesel oils do >>> have is a high level of ZDDP required for older flat tappet >>> cams (Rotella T is 1200 ppm ZDDP) and Rotella T is actually recommended >>> by the Porsche Club of America. >>> >>> I do think there's a bit of a contradiction in terms between "Rotella >>> Type T 15W40" "I like to use the best oil" and "No synthetics"; no >>> doubt synthetics are more robust than dinosaur oil and the Rotella T >>> oils are now split into varying T grades T1 straight grade, T4 triple >>> protection , T5 synthetic and T6 a synthetic extreme temperature. All >>> have 1200 ppm of ZDDP as far as I can ascertain so the T6 would be the >>> best, although I'm sure the lesser will do the job. >>> >>> Yes it's confusing, but not rocket science.... >>> >>> Personally I use Amsoil Z-Rod in my classic cars and have one of their >>> preferred customer accounts for discount as I also buy pure racing oils >>> and marine products. >>> >>> Julian >>> __________________________________________________________________ >>> >>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of >>> Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes(a)jpl.nasa.gov> >>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 9:50 AM >>> To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions >>> >>> Good Morning Everyone, >>> I don't want to startup the oil discussion again. But does anyone have >>> thoughts on >>> Rotella Type T 15w40. Which is a heavy duty diesel oil. It was >>> suggested by a local >>> Mustang shop. I like to use the best oil. No synthetics. >>> My rebuilt 351c (nothing fancy done, just the normal upgrades) has >>> about 3,500 miles >>> on it and running great. >>> Thanks so much. >>> Terry >>> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, >>> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" >>> Terry W. Himes >>> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory >>> Dawn Spacecraft Team >>> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead >>> Phone: (818) 393-6261 >>> Cell: (818) 653-8213 >>> Fax: (818) 393-3147 >>> thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov<[1]mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> >>> From: DeTomaso >>> <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve >>> r.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Julian Kift >>> <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> >>> Date: Saturday, September 17, 2016 7:56 AM >>> To: Owen Cooke <owen(a)tadhgcooke.com<mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com>>, >>> "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c >>> om>" >>> <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c >>> om>> >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 >>> It's great to hear that you now have a functioning cooling system, >>> although I have to wonder which of the particular changes contributed >>> most, I suspect the thermostat housing being blocked off was a bulk of >>> the problem. >>> I had a similar experience when I got my first Pantera, it overheated >>> in traffic, so I jumped on the web found all these articles about >>> swapping radiators and fans etc. and duly went and purchased a setup. >>> When I got to going through the car checking the thermostat I found it >>> was a Windsor style, I swapped it for the correct Cleveland t-stat and >>> voila heating issues resolved. >>> It's just a reminder to check the simple stuff prior to laying out big >>> $$$, even now I think there are still a lot of myths' perpetuated about >>> these cars... like someone once said "why let the truth get in the way >>> of a good story" >>> Julian >>> ________________________________ >>> From: DeTomaso >>> <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve >>> r.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Owen Cooke >>> <owen(a)tadhgcooke.com<mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com>> >>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 2:19 AM >>> To: >>> detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.co >>> m> >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 >>> guys >>> i had overheating problems >>> i put in a new hall brass rad but my car had bleed pipe from the rad >>> back to the swirl tank and no fitting in halls rad for it apart from a >>> top bleed screw >>> so i made a junction to fit the original bleed screw and the bleed pipe >>> to it >>> then new mariah (is that the right name) that fir on the stock brackets >>> and wired them directly from the battery to the relays >>> i found the hole under the thermostat was blocked with solder >>> i removed that and fitted a new stat >>> now all is perfect temp wise - warms up steady and holds the 90c or >>> 195f in all conditions >>> my gauge with sender in block beside the pump/stat ready 150f but its >>> steady and i know what to expect >>> very happy with result >>> owen cooke >>> On 16/09/2016 23:31, >>> detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-request@server >>> .detomasolist.com> wrote: >>> Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to >>> >>> detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.co >>> m> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> [2]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>> DeTomaso Info >>> Page<[3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> >>> server.detomasolist.com >>> This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the >>> discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an >>> unmoderated mailing list ... >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> >>> detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-request@server >>> .detomasolist.com> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> >>> detomaso-owner(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-owner@server.det >>> omasolist.com> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..." >>> Daily Detomaso List Digest >>> Today's Topics: >>> 1. Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue) >>> 2. Re: Fans and shroud (Himes, Terry (397C)) >>> 3. Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars) >>> 4. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (LSJ) >>> 5. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue) >>> 6. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue) >>> 7. Re: Fans and shroud (Larry Stock) >>> 8. McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann) >>> 9. Re: Fans and shroud (Ken Green) >>> 10. McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Finch) >>> 11. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars) >>> 12. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars) >>> 13. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Will Kooiman) >>> 14. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann) >>> 15. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Stock) >>> 16. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Mike Drew) >>> 17. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Julian Kift) >>> 18. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Mike Drew) >>> 19. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Finch) >>> 20. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann) >>> 21. NPC, Need transmission suggestions (michael frazier) >>> 22. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (David Nunn) >>> 23. Re: NPC, Need transmission suggestions (bill) >>> 24. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (bill) >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 09:29:46 -0700 >>> From: Jack Donahue <demongusta(a)gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> >>> To: >>> "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c >>> om>" >>> >>> <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c >>> om>> >>> Cc: >>> "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c >>> om>" >>> >>> <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c >>> om>> >>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud >>> Message-ID: >>> <CF682A66-9CF9-422E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC(a)gmail.com<mailto:CF682A66-9CF9-42 >>> 2E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC(a)gmail.com>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >>> Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about >>> radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I >>> wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to >>> admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, >>> but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There >>> really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right >>> now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will >>> ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. >>> Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are >>> suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - >>> sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, >>> and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s >>> since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a >>> perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone >>> offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for >>> me. >>> So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: >>> jack >>> #4348 >>> ------------------------------ >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:54:05 +0000 >>> From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" >>> <terry.himes(a)jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov>> >>> To: Jack Donahue <demongusta(a)gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>>, >>> >>> "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c >>> om>" >>> <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c >>> om>> >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud >>> Message-ID: >>> <D4016E9F.92F3B%thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:D4016E9F.92F3B%thimes@jpl.na >>> sa.gov>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> Jack, >>> Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. I'm >>> not going to change it >>> now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal with >>> it. So keep posting and >>> I will keep saving the responses. ;-) >>> Terry >>> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, >>> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" >>> Terry W. Himes >>> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory >>> Dawn Spacecraft Team >>> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead >>> Phone: (818) 393-6261 >>> Cell: (818) 653-8213 >>> Fax: (818) 393-3147 >>> thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov<[4]mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov><mailto:thimes@jpl.na >>> sa.gov> >>> ?? >>> From: DeTomaso >>> <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve >>> r.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> >>> on behalf of Jack Donahue >>> <demongusta(a)gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com><mailto:demongusta@gm >>> ail.com>> >>> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM >>> To: >>> "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c >>> om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" >>> <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c >>> om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> >>> Cc: >>> "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c >>> om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" >>> <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c >>> om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> >>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud >>> Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about >>> radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I >>> wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to >>> admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, >>> but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There >>> really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right >>> now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will >>> ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. >>> Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are >>> suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - >>> sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, >>> and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s >>> since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a >>> perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone >>> offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for >>> me. >>> So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: >>> jack >>> #4348 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >>> DeTomaso mailing list >>> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.co >>> m><mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> >>> [5]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) >>> use the links above. >>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >>> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the >>> list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive >>> or approve the archiving of list messages. >>> I've been using synthetics in my Clevelands for more than 20 years and am satisfied. My primary concern is having enough ZDDP and the Amsoil I use helps satisfy that. I also use an oil analysis service, Blackstone Labs, which helps me see what is wearing out. Asa Jay. Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks Michael Barnes <michaelbarnessrt10(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote: So , is synthetic compatible with our Cleveland engines, say 0-40 ? My engine is currently being upgraded and I am hoping to use Mobil One Sent from Michael's iPhone > On 17 Sep 2016, at 19:12, Dave Londry <davel(a)emspace.com> wrote: > > Ever since the specs on Mobil 1 went to hell I've been using Rotella T6. > It's got a great set of specs and they've been keeping them stable. > > And just to keep the discussion lively - > > ***A synthetic is superior in every aspect of lubrication.*** > Dave > > >> On 2016-09-17 10:47 AM, Julian Kift wrote: >> Traditionally diesel oils have high levels of detergents to deal with >> the high sulfur, acidic conditions and higher heat etc. however with >> the advent of low sulfur diesels they have come closer to gasoline >> formulations. In fact there are a number of "Full fleet' oils designed >> for use in both gasoline and diesel engines now. What diesel oils do >> have is a high level of ZDDP required for older flat tappet >> cams (Rotella T is 1200 ppm ZDDP) and Rotella T is actually recommended >> by the Porsche Club of America. >> >> I do think there's a bit of a contradiction in terms between "Rotella >> Type T 15W40" "I like to use the best oil" and "No synthetics"; no >> doubt synthetics are more robust than dinosaur oil and the Rotella T >> oils are now split into varying T grades T1 straight grade, T4 triple >> protection , T5 synthetic and T6 a synthetic extreme temperature. All >> have 1200 ppm of ZDDP as far as I can ascertain so the T6 would be the >> best, although I'm sure the lesser will do the job. >> >> Yes it's confusing, but not rocket science.... >> >> Personally I use Amsoil Z-Rod in my classic cars and have one of their >> preferred customer accounts for discount as I also buy pure racing oils >> and marine products. >> >> Julian >> __________________________________________________________________ >> >> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of >> Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes(a)jpl.nasa.gov> >> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 9:50 AM >> To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions >> >> Good Morning Everyone, >> I don't want to startup the oil discussion again. But does anyone have >> thoughts on >> Rotella Type T 15w40. Which is a heavy duty diesel oil. It was >> suggested by a local >> Mustang shop. I like to use the best oil. No synthetics. >> My rebuilt 351c (nothing fancy done, just the normal upgrades) has >> about 3,500 miles >> on it and running great. >> Thanks so much. >> Terry >> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, >> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" >> Terry W. Himes >> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory >> Dawn Spacecraft Team >> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead >> Phone: (818) 393-6261 >> Cell: (818) 653-8213 >> Fax: (818) 393-3147 >> thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov<[1]mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> >> From: DeTomaso >> <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve >> r.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Julian Kift >> <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> >> Date: Saturday, September 17, 2016 7:56 AM >> To: Owen Cooke <owen(a)tadhgcooke.com<mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com>>, >> "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c >> om>" >> <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c >> om>> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 >> It's great to hear that you now have a functioning cooling system, >> although I have to wonder which of the particular changes contributed >> most, I suspect the thermostat housing being blocked off was a bulk of >> the problem. >> I had a similar experience when I got my first Pantera, it overheated >> in traffic, so I jumped on the web found all these articles about >> swapping radiators and fans etc. and duly went and purchased a setup. >> When I got to going through the car checking the thermostat I found it >> was a Windsor style, I swapped it for the correct Cleveland t-stat and >> voila heating issues resolved. >> It's just a reminder to check the simple stuff prior to laying out big >> $$$, even now I think there are still a lot of myths' perpetuated about >> these cars... like someone once said "why let the truth get in the way >> of a good story" >> Julian >> ________________________________ >> From: DeTomaso >> <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve >> r.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Owen Cooke >> <owen(a)tadhgcooke.com<mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com>> >> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 2:19 AM >> To: >> detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.co >> m> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 >> guys >> i had overheating problems >> i put in a new hall brass rad but my car had bleed pipe from the rad >> back to the swirl tank and no fitting in halls rad for it apart from a >> top bleed screw >> so i made a junction to fit the original bleed screw and the bleed pipe >> to it >> then new mariah (is that the right name) that fir on the stock brackets >> and wired them directly from the battery to the relays >> i found the hole under the thermostat was blocked with solder >> i removed that and fitted a new stat >> now all is perfect temp wise - warms up steady and holds the 90c or >> 195f in all conditions >> my gauge with sender in block beside the pump/stat ready 150f but its >> steady and i know what to expect >> very happy with result >> owen cooke >> On 16/09/2016 23:31, >> detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-request@server >> .detomasolist.com> wrote: >> Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to >> >> detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.co >> m> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> [2]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> DeTomaso Info >> Page<[3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> >> server.detomasolist.com >> This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the >> discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an >> unmoderated mailing list ... >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> >> detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-request@server >> .detomasolist.com> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> >> detomaso-owner(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-owner@server.det >> omasolist.com> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..." >> Daily Detomaso List Digest >> Today's Topics: >> 1. Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue) >> 2. Re: Fans and shroud (Himes, Terry (397C)) >> 3. Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars) >> 4. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (LSJ) >> 5. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue) >> 6. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue) >> 7. Re: Fans and shroud (Larry Stock) >> 8. McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann) >> 9. Re: Fans and shroud (Ken Green) >> 10. McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Finch) >> 11. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars) >> 12. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars) >> 13. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Will Kooiman) >> 14. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann) >> 15. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Stock) >> 16. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Mike Drew) >> 17. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Julian Kift) >> 18. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Mike Drew) >> 19. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Finch) >> 20. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann) >> 21. NPC, Need transmission suggestions (michael frazier) >> 22. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (David Nunn) >> 23. Re: NPC, Need transmission suggestions (bill) >> 24. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (bill) >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 09:29:46 -0700 >> From: Jack Donahue <demongusta(a)gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> >> To: >> "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c >> om>" >> >> <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c >> om>> >> Cc: >> "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c >> om>" >> >> <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c >> om>> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud >> Message-ID: >> <CF682A66-9CF9-422E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC(a)gmail.com<mailto:CF682A66-9CF9-42 >> 2E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC(a)gmail.com>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about >> radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I >> wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to >> admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, >> but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There >> really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right >> now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will >> ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. >> Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are >> suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - >> sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, >> and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s >> since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a >> perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone >> offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for >> me. >> So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: >> jack >> #4348 >> ------------------------------ >> Message: 2 >> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:54:05 +0000 >> From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" >> <terry.himes(a)jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov>> >> To: Jack Donahue <demongusta(a)gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>>, >> >> "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c >> om>" >> <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c >> om>> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud >> Message-ID: >> <D4016E9F.92F3B%thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:D4016E9F.92F3B%thimes@jpl.na >> sa.gov>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> Jack, >> Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. I'm >> not going to change it >> now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal with >> it. So keep posting and >> I will keep saving the responses. ;-) >> Terry >> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, >> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" >> Terry W. Himes >> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory >> Dawn Spacecraft Team >> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead >> Phone: (818) 393-6261 >> Cell: (818) 653-8213 >> Fax: (818) 393-3147 >> thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov<[4]mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov><mailto:thimes@jpl.na >> sa.gov> >> ?? >> From: DeTomaso >> <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve >> r.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> >> on behalf of Jack Donahue >> <demongusta(a)gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com><mailto:demongusta@gm >> ail.com>> >> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM >> To: >> "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c >> om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" >> <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c >> om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> >> Cc: >> "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c >> om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" >> <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c >> om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud >> Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about >> radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I >> wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to >> admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, >> but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There >> really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right >> now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will >> ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. >> Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are >> suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - >> sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, >> and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s >> since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a >> perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone >> offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for >> me. >> So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: >> jack >> #4348 >> _______________________________________________ >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.co >> m><mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> >> [5]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) >> use the links above. >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the >> list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive >> or approve the archiving of list messages. >>

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Seat Track Adjuster Location
by Mike Reilly 17 Sep '16

17 Sep '16

Hi all…quick question. I have a stock 1974 Pantera L and I’m putting in my stock seats after they’ve been out of the car for 25 years. I had the seat rails separated from the seats all these years and can’t remember if the rail with the adjuster knob goes on the outside (near outer rocker panel) or on the inside (near the shifter) of the seat. I’ve looked in the manual and at various photos and have not seen for sure where they go. I also have seen photos with them on either side. Anyone with a late L who can answer? I think they go on the inside of the seat. Thanks, Mike R. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 Hi all...quick question. I have a stock 1974 Pantera L and I'm putting in my stock seats after they've been out of the car for 25 years. I had the seat rails separated from the seats all these years and can't remember if the rail with the adjuster knob goes on the outside (near outer rocker panel) or on the inside (near the shifter) of the seat. I've looked in the manual and at various photos and have not seen for sure where they go. I also have seen photos with them on either side. Anyone with a late L who can answer? I think they go on the inside of the seat. Thanks, Mike R. Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10 References 1. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986

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Re: [DeTomaso] NPC, Need transmission suggestions
by bill 17 Sep '16

17 Sep '16

L o L CheersBill MooreCalgary -------- Original message --------From: Ed Mendez <edducati(a)mac.com> Date: 2016-09-16 7:04 PM (GMT-07:00) To: bill <bill(a)incendium.com> Cc: michael frazier <red3644(a)hotmail.com>, detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com, Bruce Singer <HACHEPE55(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC, Need transmission suggestions Just don't use those Chinese mufflers! Haha 😂 Ed Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus On Sep 16, 2016, at 3:26 PM, bill <bill(a)incendium.com> wrote: Michael: Screw that put a Ford flat head V8 in that suckered. Cheers Bill Moore Calgary -------- Original message -------- From: michael frazier <red3644(a)hotmail.com> Date: 2016-09-16 3:46 PM (GMT-07:00) To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC, Need transmission suggestions Hi All, I'm putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road. It sat in a barn since 1961 and only has 25k miles, but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out. Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will remain. The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete Jaguar XJ suspension front and back. I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want an overdrive transmission. Manual or automatic, either one. It won't be drag raced but will be used regularly and would likely be run in an open road race some time. That's the reason for the overdrive. I've been out of this part of the game for a while and was wondering what would work well. What would bolt up and work. What would it come out of? Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated. Michael Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 Hi All, I'm putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road. It sat in a barn since 1961 and only has 25k miles, but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out. Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will remain. The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete Jaguar XJ suspension front and back. I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want an overdrive transmission. Manual or automatic, either one. It won't be drag raced but will be used regularly and would likely be run in an open road race some time. That's the reason for the overdrive. I've been out of this part of the game for a while and was wondering what would work well. What would bolt up and work. What would it come out of? Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated. Michael Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10 References 1. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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L o L Cheers Bill Moore Calgary -------- Original message -------- From: Ed Mendez <edducati(a)mac.com> Date: 2016-09-16 7:04 PM (GMT-07:00) To: bill <bill(a)incendium.com> Cc: michael frazier <red3644(a)hotmail.com>, detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com, Bruce Singer <HACHEPE55(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC, Need transmission suggestions Just don't use those Chinese mufflers! Haha Ed Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus On Sep 16, 2016, at 3:26 PM, bill <[1]bill(a)incendium.com> wrote: Michael: Screw that put a Ford flat head V8 in that suckered. Cheers Bill Moore Calgary -------- Original message -------- From: michael frazier <[2]red3644(a)hotmail.com> Date: 2016-09-16 3:46 PM (GMT-07:00) To: [3]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC, Need transmission suggestions Hi All, I'm putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road. It sat in a barn since 1961 and only has 25k miles, but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out. Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will remain. The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete Jaguar XJ suspension front and back. I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want an overdrive transmission. Manual or automatic, either one. It won't be drag raced but will be used regularly and would likely be run in an open road race some time. That's the reason for the overdrive. I've been out of this part of the game for a while and was wondering what would work well. What would bolt up and work. What would it come out of? Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated. Michael Sent from Mail<[4]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 Hi All, I'm putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road. It sat in a barn since 1961 and only has 25k miles, but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out. Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will remain. The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete Jaguar XJ suspension front and back. I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want an overdrive transmission. Manual or automatic, either one. It won't be drag raced but will be used regularly and would likely be run in an open road race some time. That's the reason for the overdrive. I've been out of this part of the game for a while and was wondering what would work well. What would bolt up and work. What would it come out of? Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated. Michael Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10 References 1. 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Heater register news....
by Mike Drew 17 Sep '16

17 Sep '16

Guys, I was talking with Steve Wilkinson the other day and he told me his latest project has been to tool up and reproduce original Pantera heater/air conditioner registers like the ones shown here: They have not been available new for at least 15 years, and the supply of good used ones is almost gone. Coming to a vendor near you, in the near future.... Mike Sent from my iPhone

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