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Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque?
by bill＠incendium.com 15 Sep '16

15 Sep '16

I J A F V C G. Snugg is good. CheersBill MooreCalgary -------- Original message --------From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf(a)embarqmail.com> Date: 2016-09-14 6:00 PM (GMT-07:00) To: 'detomasolist' <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque? I haven't been able to find on line, so if someone knows the dimensions of a valve cover gasket (length, width, width) I would appreciate. I am now curious and need to calculate! BTW, 10ft-lbs just for a 1/4-20 seems pretty high. That should have the bolt torque sufficient to prevent backing off (once retorqued after gasket relaxed) -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Dave Londry Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 19:24 PM To: detomasolist Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque? My collection of other peoples Torque info, these 2 agree at 10 ft.lb. Needs a 1/4 drive torque wrench - you're in the weeds with the tension spring fully unwound if you use 3/8. (I have a bunch nor added yet - another roundtuit job) Dave On 2016-09-14 12:36 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) wrote: > Hey Pantera Guru's, > I finally got to my Pantera last night. (work is getting in the way of > my fun!!) > Simple fix. ALL my valve cover bolts were loose. Every one of them. > I tightened them all > but didn't want to over tighten them. Anyone know what the correct > torque should be? > I have roller rockers and the taller Ford Racing valve covers for > clearance. > Your thoughts? > Terry > > "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, > > stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" > > Terry W. Himes > > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > > Dawn Spacecraft Team > > Rosetta Sequence Team Lead > > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > > Fax: (818) 393-3147 > > [1]thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov > > References > > 1.mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not > exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. I J A F V C G. Snugg is good. Cheers Bill Moore Calgary -------- Original message -------- From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf(a)embarqmail.com> Date: 2016-09-14 6:00 PM (GMT-07:00) To: 'detomasolist' <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque? I haven't been able to find on line, so if someone knows the dimensions of a valve cover gasket (length, width, width) I would appreciate. I am now curious and need to calculate! BTW, 10ft-lbs just for a 1/4-20 seems pretty high. That should have the bolt torque sufficient to prevent backing off (once retorqued after gasket relaxed) -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Dave Londry Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 19:24 PM To: detomasolist Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque? My collection of other peoples Torque info, these 2 agree at 10 ft.lb. Needs a 1/4 drive torque wrench - you're in the weeds with the tension spring fully unwound if you use 3/8. (I have a bunch nor added yet - another roundtuit job) Dave On 2016-09-14 12:36 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) wrote: > Hey Pantera Guru's, > I finally got to my Pantera last night. (work is getting in the way of > my fun!!) > Simple fix. ALL my valve cover bolts were loose. Every one of them. > I tightened them all > but didn't want to over tighten them. Anyone know what the correct > torque should be? > I have roller rockers and the taller Ford Racing valve covers for > clearance. > Your thoughts? > Terry > > "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, > > stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" > > Terry W. Himes > > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > > Dawn Spacecraft Team > > Rosetta Sequence Team Lead > > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > > Fax: (818) 393-3147 > > [1]thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov > > References > > 1.mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not > exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

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Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque?
by Dave Londry 14 Sep '16

14 Sep '16

With a new polymer gasket, it should pretty much settle after 1 heat cycle. Cork always seems to compress a bit more. Dave On 2016-09-14 12:36 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) wrote: > Hey Pantera Guru's, > I finally got to my Pantera last night. (work is getting in the way of > my fun!!) > Simple fix. ALL my valve cover bolts were loose. Every one of them. > I tightened them all > but didn't want to over tighten them. Anyone know what the correct > torque should be? > I have roller rockers and the taller Ford Racing valve covers for > clearance. > Your thoughts? > Terry > > "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, > > stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" > > Terry W. Himes > > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > > Dawn Spacecraft Team > > Rosetta Sequence Team Lead > > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > > Fax: (818) 393-3147 > > [1]thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov > > References > > 1.mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. With a new polymer gasket, it should pretty much settle after 1 heat cycle. Cork always seems to compress a bit more. Dave On 2016-09-14 12:36 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) wrote: Hey Pantera Guru's, I finally got to my Pantera last night. (work is getting in the way of my fun!!) Simple fix. ALL my valve cover bolts were loose. Every one of them. I tightened them all but didn't want to over tighten them. Anyone know what the correct torque should be? I have roller rockers and the taller Ford Racing valve covers for clearance. Your thoughts? Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [[1]1]thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov References 1. [2]mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [3]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the li nks above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message p osted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of lis t messages. References 1. mailto:1]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov 2. mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov 3. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso

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'73 L on eBay in Whittier, CA
by Julian Kift 14 Sep '16

14 Sep '16

On eBay in Whittier CA, this looks to be an exceptionally nice Pantera for the money and considering the reserve has been met with bidding at $65,000. I'm interested to see how far bidding goes in the next 5 days. http://www.ebay.com/itm/De-Tomaso-Pantera-/152232124242?forcerrptr=true&has… Julian On eBay in Whittier CA, this looks to be an exceptionally nice Pantera for the money and considering the reserve has been met with bidding at $65,000. I'm interested to see how far bidding goes in the next 5 days. [1]http://www.ebay.com/itm/De-Tomaso-Pantera-/152232124242?forcerrptr=t rue&hash=item2371bddf52:g:GNoAAOSwknJXzu2a&item=152232124242 Julian References 1. http://www.ebay.com/itm/De-Tomaso-Pantera-/152232124242?forcerrptr=true&has…

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Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque?
by marshallgsmith 14 Sep '16

14 Sep '16

To avoid over-tightening, don't use a ratchet. Use a nut driver instead. Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Larry - Ohio Time <Larry(a)OhioTimeCorp.com> Date: 9/14/16 1:03 PM (GMT-08:00) To: 'Charles McCall' <charlesmccall(a)gmail.com>, "'Himes, Terry (397C)'" <terry.himes(a)jpl.nasa.gov> Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque? << I just tighten so it feels tight without over tightening>> When I asked a similar question in class the teacher told me use "MF"! "Mechanic's Feel"....as I was told later. Larry (got the feeling) - Cleveland -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Charles McCall Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 3:55 PM To: Himes, Terry (397C) Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque? Terry - I can't answer your specific question as to proper torque, but I can offer some practical experience. I remove the valve covers every year as I have solid lifters and I check/adjust the lash once a year. I just tighten so it feels tight without overtightening - which I realize is neither a Metric nor Standard unit of measure - and I don't have leaks. I have blue Fel-pro valve covers, which allow a certain amount of compression. I just tighten it down fairly snug, by hand, without overtightening and I have never had problems. On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 9:36 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) < terry.himes(a)jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: > Hey Pantera Guru's, > I finally got to my Pantera last night. (work is getting in the way of > my fun!!) > Simple fix. ALL my valve cover bolts were loose. Every one of them. > I tightened them all > but didn't want to over tighten them. Anyone know what the correct > torque should be? > I have roller rockers and the taller Ford Racing valve covers for > clearance. > Your thoughts? > Terry > > "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, > > stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" > > Terry W. Himes > > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > > Dawn Spacecraft Team > > Rosetta Sequence Team Lead > > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > > Fax: (818) 393-3147 > > [1]thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov > > References > > 1. mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. To avoid over-tightening, don't use a ratchet. Use a nut driver instead. Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Larry - Ohio Time <Larry(a)OhioTimeCorp.com> Date: 9/14/16 1:03 PM (GMT-08:00) To: 'Charles McCall' <charlesmccall(a)gmail.com>, "'Himes, Terry (397C)'" <terry.himes(a)jpl.nasa.gov> Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque? << I just tighten so it feels tight without over tightening>> When I asked a similar question in class the teacher told me use "MF"! "Mechanic's Feel"....as I was told later. Larry (got the feeling) - Cleveland -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Charles McCall Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 3:55 PM To: Himes, Terry (397C) Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque? Terry - I can't answer your specific question as to proper torque, but I can offer some practical experience. I remove the valve covers every year as I have solid lifters and I check/adjust the lash once a year. I just tighten so it feels tight without overtightening - which I realize is neither a Metric nor Standard unit of measure - and I don't have leaks. I have blue Fel-pro valve covers, which allow a certain amount of compression. I just tighten it down fairly snug, by hand, without overtightening and I have never had problems. On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 9:36 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) < terry.himes(a)jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: > Hey Pantera Guru's, > I finally got to my Pantera last night. (work is getting in the way of > my fun!!) > Simple fix. ALL my valve cover bolts were loose. Every one of them. > I tightened them all > but didn't want to over tighten them. Anyone know what the correct > torque should be? > I have roller rockers and the taller Ford Racing valve covers for > clearance. > Your thoughts? > Terry > > "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, > > stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" > > Terry W. Himes > > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > > Dawn Spacecraft Team > > Rosetta Sequence Team Lead > > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > > Fax: (818) 393-3147 > > [1]thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov > > References > > 1. mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 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Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud
by marshall smith 14 Sep '16

14 Sep '16

Side scoops on the quarter windows ducted to the intercooler would work well but then, you'd have to lose that hideous cow catcher of an air scoop. m -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 9/14/16, gudmund frøland via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud To: "rfmccall(a)comcast.net" <rfmccall(a)comcast.net>, "gaino, bill" <gaino(a)earthlink.net> Cc: "Email List Address For Posting" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com>, "Larry Finch" <fresnofinches(a)aol.com> Date: Wednesday, September 14, 2016, 11:17 AM Seems like there are a big intercooler laying there ? Den Onsdag, 14. september 2016 20.12 skrev "rfmccall(a)comcast.net" <rfmccall(a)comcast.net>: Here is a pic from FB. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill gaino" <[1]gaino(a)earthlink.net> To: "Larry Finch" <[2]fresnofinches(a)aol.com>, "Email List Address For Posting" <[3]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 1:41:18 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud The scoop looks like it feeds the ZF.. Fugly Bill 1362 [4]https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts& fref=ts If you want it slick. www.slickpaint.com like us on facebook -----Original Message----- >From: Larry Finch via DeTomaso <[5]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> >Sent: Sep 13, 2016 1:03 PM >To: Email List Address For Posting <[6]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> >Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud > >All, > >I am resending this screen capture from last nightas show, as my previous post seems to have lost its subject line. > >Please don't shoot the messenger. > >Since Richard liked the Nike interior disaster on the Ring Brothers hack-job (at least enough to buy the thing), I imagine they will F-up the interior of this Pantera to match their exterior disfigurement. > >Larry > >I am especially enamored with the tasteful deck lid cut-out necessitated by the taller 3.5L V6. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [7]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com [8]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [9]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com [10]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:gaino@earthlink.net 2. mailto:fresnofinches@aol.com 3. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 4. https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fref=ts 5. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 6. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 7. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 8. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 9. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 10. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

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Re: [DeTomaso] (no subject)
by cengles＠cox.net 14 Sep '16

14 Sep '16

Dear Larry, I am very sensitive and after looking at that picture, my eyes hurt........ Warmest regards, Chuck Engles On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 1:15 AM, Larry Finch via DeTomaso wrote: > Everyone knows a set of webers requires some notching on the leading > edge of the deck lid. When you put in a 3.5 L V6 that sits much higher > than the Cleveland, the Gas Monkey crew learned a similar leading edge > cut out is required. > And of course an air scoop always looks really cool on a hot rod car, > right? > > Perhaps what this screen capture shows gets tossed out before the > final result, but this is just wrong. > > Larry > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive > or approve the archiving of list messages.

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rust away stuff
by Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. 14 Sep '16

14 Sep '16

What was the brand name of the GOOD rust desolving solution that was recently discussed Joe/NC What was the brand name of the GOOD rust desolving solution that was recently discussed Joe/NC

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Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights - Stock replacement options?
by bill＠incendium.com 14 Sep '16

14 Sep '16

We are having lunch in Spokane right now, I just sent Brent the info about my LED lights. Www.visonxusa.com 7RD seriesPt# 9891217Item # XIL-7RD CheersBill MooreCalgary -------- Original message --------From: Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com> Date: 2016-09-09 9:39 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Brent Stewart <bjbstewart(a)yahoo.com>, Bill Moore <bill(a)incendium.com>, detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights - Stock replacement options? Brent, Bill Moore replaced his with some LED drop in units and I have to say they gave out an exceptional amount of light. I cannot recall the brand and he's on the PNW cruise this week and I'm not sure if he is monitoring the list, so I copied him direct. Julian From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Brent Stewart via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Friday, September 9, 2016 9:20 AM To: DeTomaso List Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights - Stock replacement options? .Howdy all,.Just getting ready for the Ironstone Concours coming up in a few weeks, and I'd like to update the old headlights so I can drive at night. I have the stock round ones, and would like to get something that is a little more modern and brighter..I put these Halogens in my 240Z and they seem to work great:.http://www.blackdragonauto.com/Features/Z/ZEL1.htm .Any reason they wouldn't fit the P-car? What else have y'all used?.Thanks for your advice!!!.brent.. We are having lunch in Spokane right now, I just sent Brent the info about my LED lights. Www.visonxusa.com 7RD series Pt# 9891217 Item # XIL-7RD Cheers Bill Moore Calgary -------- Original message -------- From: Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com> Date: 2016-09-09 9:39 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Brent Stewart <bjbstewart(a)yahoo.com>, Bill Moore <bill(a)incendium.com>, detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights - Stock replacement options? Brent, Bill Moore replaced his with some LED drop in units and I have to say they gave out an exceptional amount of light. I cannot recall the brand and he's on the PNW cruise this week and I'm not sure if he is monitoring the list, so I copied him direct. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Brent Stewart via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Friday, September 9, 2016 9:20 AM To: DeTomaso List Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights - Stock replacement options? .Howdy all,.Just getting ready for the Ironstone Concours coming up in a few weeks, and I'd like to update the old headlights so I can drive at night. I have the stock round ones, and would like to get something that is a little more modern and brighter..I put these Halogens in my 240Z and they seem to work great:.http://www.blackdragonauto.com/Features/Z/ZEL1.htm .Any reason they wouldn't fit the P-car? What else have y'all used?.Thanks for your advice!!!.brent..

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Younger generation interest in Panteras
by Tom Shinrock 13 Sep '16

13 Sep '16

I was accepted to show my Pantera in the Des Moines Concours d'Elegance last weekend. This is probably the classiest show in Iowa and brings exquisite cars from the surrounding states. My car was in the Exotic class which included the following cars. 1956 Ferrari 250GT 1 1965 AC Cobra 427 2 1973 DeTomaso Pantera GTS 3 1981 DeLorean 4 1985 Porsche Carrera 5 1987 Porsche Slantnose 6 1999 Dodge Viper 7 2000 Dodge Viper 8 2006 Ford Ford GT 9 2007 Aston Martin V8 Vantage 10 2008 Ferrari 612 Scag 11 2009 Ferrari 430 Scuderia 12 2009 Nissan GTR 13 2010 Ferrari California 14 I participated last year as well and placed 3rd in the Exotic class behind the 2006 Ford GT (with 300 miles on it) and a late model Ferrari. You can see pictures of us getting our awards at http://www.desmoinesconcours.com/gallery/ (end of the 6th row from the top). I didn't place this year. As I predicted the '66 427 Cobra (fresh off a restoration) took 1st and the same Ford GT took 2nd. An Aston Martin Vantage took 3rd. I was surprised the '56 Ferrari didn't place. It was billed as 1 of 15 alloy body cars made. Anyway, the point of this email is that during the day it was very common for spectators to ask what the Pantera was. I was taken by surprise when a young lad (maybe in his early 20s) knew exactly what the car was. After talking to him for a bit it came out that he knew what the car was because there was a Pantera in a couple of the racing video games he has played. If it weren't for the games he would not have had a clue. So now we know how to make our cars known to the younger generation. There was a other pleasant surprise in that POCA members James Velez and his wife, from Flagstaff, were on a driving vacation through Iowa and stopped by to chat when they saw my car. Small world. Tom 5186 I was accepted to show my Pantera in the Des Moines Concours d'Elegance last weekend. This is probably the classiest show in Iowa and brings exquisite cars from the surrounding states. My car was in the Exotic class which included the following cars. 1956 Ferrari 250GT 1 1965 AC Cobra 427 2 1973 DeTomaso Pantera GTS 3 1981 DeLorean 4 1985 Porsche Carrera 5 1987 Porsche Slantnose 6 1999 Dodge Viper 7 2000 Dodge Viper 8 2006 Ford Ford GT 9 2007 Aston Martin V8 Vantage 10 2008 Ferrari 612 Scag 11 2009 Ferrari 430 Scuderia 12 2009 Nissan GTR 13 2010 Ferrari California 14 I participated last year as well and placed 3rd in the Exotic class behind the 2006 Ford GT (with 300 miles on it) and a late model Ferrari. You can see pictures of us getting our awards at http://www.desmoinesconcours.com/gallery/ (end of the 6th row from the top). I didn't place this year. As I predicted the '66 427 Cobra (fresh off a restoration) took 1st and the same Ford GT took 2nd. An Aston Martin Vantage took 3rd. I was surprised the '56 Ferrari didn't place. It was billed as 1 of 15 alloy body cars made. Anyway, the point of this email is that during the day it was very common for spectators to ask what the Pantera was. I was taken by surprise when a young lad (maybe in his early 20s) knew exactly what the car was. After talking to him for a bit it came out that he knew what the car was because there was a Pantera in a couple of the racing video games he has played. If it weren't for the games he would not have had a clue. So now we know how to make our cars known to the younger generation. There was a other pleasant surprise in that POCA members James Velez and his wife, from Flagstaff, were on a driving vacation through Iowa and stopped by to chat when they saw my car. Small world. Tom 5186

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Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud
by hoppe1＠cox.net 13 Sep '16

13 Sep '16

How can I learn more about the event. I need to go the pizza car out. Rich Hoppe Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 13, 2016, at 12:21 PM, Scott Bell <scott(a)saccrestorations.net> wrote: > > I rarely see any other Pantera's at this event. It used to be almost all cars were Pantera's but it has evolved over time and rarely does a Pantera show up now. Every once in a while a Pantera comes. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jack Donahue [mailto:demongusta@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 12:07 PM > To: Scott Bell > Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud > > I’ll be there w/o my car - radiator out and waiting for a tranny-fix. > Anyone else going out? >> On Sep 13, 2016, at 12:04 PM, Scott Bell <scott(a)saccrestorations.net> wrote: >> >> Hi Jack, >> >> As long as you don't put a hit on me I will tell you. ;-) Just kidding... >> >> We will be there October 1st. Do you want to bring your car out? >> >> Take care, Scott >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jack Donahue [mailto:demongusta@gmail.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 11:54 AM >> To: Scott Bell >> Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud >> >> Scott: >> Can I get a time and date you ill be at Willow? >> Jack >>>> On Sep 13, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Scott Bell <scott(a)saccrestorations.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Come on Julian!!! Play nice... >>> >>> >>> Come on out to Willow Springs in a couple of weeks. I will be there >>> with my Pantera. It is finished with a new exhaust. Something a bit >>> different than what others have done. >>> >>> >>> I know doing something different is a no-no for a lot of folks on this >>> list. But, I get enough support from most people to make it easy to >>> sleep at night! >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Julian Kift [mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com] >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 10:33 AM >>> To: Scott Bell; detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud >>> >>> >>> Hahaha, OMG people are starting to take stuff written on the email list >>> seriously..... >>> >>> >>> After all it's not like they put a friggin' Chebbie in it! 😉 >>> >>> >>> Julian >>> >>> _____________________________________________________________________ >>> >>> From: DeTomaso <[1]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf >>> of Scott Bell <[2]scott(a)saccrestorations.net> >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 10:00 AM >>> To: [3]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud >>> >>> >>> OMG PEOPLE!!!! It's a TV show! Do you believe everything you see on TV, >>> on a REALITY SHOW! A lot of what you see is produced, ie: They planned >>> to do that seen for the shock value. >>> To set the record straight, the build was started MARCH 2016. I >>> supplied many parts to the build during that timeframe. >>> I was really hoping that this group would act like adults and not-bash >>> the hell out of the car, like most of you did to the Ring Brothers car. >>> We get it, if there are many changes that are out of the ordinary, you >>> aren't going to like it. But that is what these shows do! Get over >>> it... >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: DeTomaso [[4]mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On >>> Behalf Of Jack Donahue >>> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 10:50 PM >>> To: Mike Drew >>> Cc: [5]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud >>> Yeah - nice guys. They take the lady's car down the street and do >>> burn-outs in it before buying it. A...holes!! I guess it's "no-sale >>> -- AFTER - they break it. >>>>> On Sep 12, 2016, at 10:41 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso >>>> <[6]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Julian, remember our friend Simon Velsmin holland was in negotiations >>> to buy the Foose Pantera (a direct copy of the Alfa Romeo Carabo show >>> car) when it got snatched out from under him by Richard Rawlings. That >>> was last year sometime. >>>> >>>> He shamellely stole that white Pantera from the widow in San Diego. >>> It was worth double what he paid her for it. Too bad she wasn't >>> connected in any way with the San Diego club; they would have looked >>> out former and protected her from getting ripped off. >>>> >>>> Sigh..... >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >>>> Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com >>>> >>>>> On Monday, September 12, 2016, Julian Kift >>>> <[7]julian_kift(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I wondered when this was actually filmed? Richard was talking $30-35K >>>> being a high for Pantera's and I remember list discussion on Sam >>>> Foose's Dia Kosa being for sale in FL at least a couple years back. >>> So >>>> I looked up Barret Jackson east coast and their inaugural east coast >>>> auction was June 2016, so I guess it was filmed fairly recent, that >>>> said I'm surprised at the $28,500 price paid. >>>> >>>> Julian >>>> __________________________________________________________________ >>>> >>>> From: DeTomaso <[8]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on >>> behalf of >>>> Mark H Gmail <[9]sennamick(a)gmail.com> >>>> Sent: M >>>> onday, September 12, 2016 9:03 PM >>>> To: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. >>>> Cc: Pantera Mail List >>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud >>>> >>>>> San Diego owner per the show. No name mentioned but owner (husband, >>>> deceased) had it a long time according to seller (his widow). >>>>> If the show is to be believed the lady sold it to Richard for >>> $28,500 >>>> I think it was. >>>>> Pretty cheeep! >>>>> >>>>> Mark >>>>> 12, 2016, at 11:11 PM, Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. >>> <[10]byrdjf(a)embarqmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Was this car known? I missed the Owners name. >>>>> Joe/nc >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: DeTomaso >>> [[1][11]mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] >>>> On Behalf >>>>> Of Mike Becker >>>>> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 22:48 PM >>>>> To: 'marshall smith'; 'De Tomaso List' >>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud >>>>> >>>>> It shows as 8:00pm - 9:00pm on my guide -- Directv, channel 278 >>>> (DSCHD) mike >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: DeTomaso >>> [[2][12]mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] >>>> On Behalf >>>>> Of marshall smith >>>>> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 9:53 AM >>>>> To: De Tomaso List <[13]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> >>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud >>>>> >>>>> Tonight, Monday Sept 12th....a customized Pantera on Fast & Loud on >>>> the >>>>> Discovery Channel @ 9:00PST >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not >>>> exceed 1.5 >>>>> Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [14]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>>>> [3][15]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>>>> >>>>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, >>> etc.) >>>> use >>>>> the links above. >>>>> >>>>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward >>>> any >>>>> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the >>>> list. >>>>> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or >>>> approve >>>>> the archiving of list messages. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not >>>> exceed 1.5 >>>>> Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [16]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>>>> [4][17]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>>>> >>>>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, >>> etc.) >>>> use >>>>> the links above. >>>>> >>>>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward >>>> any >>>>> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the >>>> list. >>>>> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or >>>> approve >>>>> the archiving of list messages. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >>>>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >>>>> DeTomaso mailing list >>>>> [18]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>>>> [5][19]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>>>> >>>>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, >>> etc.) >>>> use the links above. >>>>> >>>>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward >>>> any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of >>> the >>>> list. 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