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Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud
by Jack Donahue 20 Sep '16

20 Sep '16

Forgot to send to THE LIST - sorry > On Sep 20, 2016, at 10:15 AM, Jack Donahue <demongusta(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Ayrton Senna said the same thing. Actually, last night I was thinking the car would look better (?) if the mirror was not even there. Maybe for some peripheral vision?. >> On Sep 20, 2016, at 9:42 AM, Larry Finch via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: >> >> Jack, >> >> Rear-view mirror? >> >> Have you forgotten the inspirational words of Franco (Raul Julia) in the Gumball Rally movie? >> >> Larry >> >> <image1.JPG> >> >> Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. >

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351C Engine Weight Savings
by LSJ 20 Sep '16

20 Sep '16

Has anyone compiled a list of stock and aftermarket engine component weights? I want to know where any weight savings can be achieved. Something like: Stock block = X lbsAluminum block = X -97lbsStock 4V heads = Y lbsAluminum Edelbrock Performer heads = Y-70 lbsAluminum CHI Heads = Y- 64lbsStock intake manifold = Z lbsAlum. Edelbrock intake = Z-30 lbs And so on... It would be interesting to see how much aftermarket pieces weigh. Even if some of the smaller items were only 1-2lbs off, it could all add up dramatically in the end when the lightest pieces are all used together. LSJ central wines-spirits est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 centralwines.com facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 Has anyone compiled a list of stock and aftermarket engine component weights? I want to know where any weight savings can be achieved. Something like: Stock block = X lbs Aluminum block = X -97lbs Stock 4V heads = Y lbs Aluminum Edelbrock Performer heads = Y-70 lbs Aluminum CHI Heads = Y- 64lbs Stock intake manifold = Z lbs Alum. Edelbrock intake = Z-30 lbs And so on... It would be interesting to see how much aftermarket pieces weigh. Even if some of the smaller items were only 1-2lbs off, it could all add up dramatically in the end when the lightest pieces are all used together. LSJ central wines-spirits est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 [1]centralwines.com [2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 References 1. http://centralwines.com/ 2. http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors

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Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud
by Tom Shinrock 20 Sep '16

20 Sep '16

In my 30 years of Pantera ownership and reading any Pantera related material I could get my hands on, I have never seen these pictures before. Thanks for sharing Tom 5186 -----Original Message----- From: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf(a)embarqmail.com> To: 'Pantera Mail List' <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Wed, Sep 14, 2016 3:12 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud During the design stage, air flow to the engine was considered. I read there was a concern about having an air exit similar to the Mangusta because it would "frost over" and block flow cid:image001.png@01D18958.40377A40 -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Larry Stock Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 15:22 PM To: Ken Green; rfmccall(a)comcast.net; gaino, bill Cc: Email List Address For Posting; Larry Finch Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud Since there is no real air flow around where they placed the After Cooler, Maybe the air scoop is to create air flow to the after cooler and NOT the engine, I would simply use electric fans for this, but they ARE the Texas TV Experts, and I guess that^1s the way its done in Texas. Maybe our Pantera Boys in Texas need to give them some help here. Since they also eliminated the trunk storage area, they must not see the need get out much. Larry On 9/14/16, 12:00 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Ken Green via DeTomaso" <[1]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com on behalf of detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > Getting cool air to the engine seems to be a difficult issue for a > Pantera if you don't want to alter the looks. Has anyone seen a > solution that doesn't look like an after thought? > Ken > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: "[2]rfmccall(a)comcast.net" <[3]rfmccall(a)comcast.net> > To: "gaino, bill" <[4]gaino(a)earthlink.net> > Cc: Email List Address For Posting <[5]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com>; > Larry Finch <[6]fresnofinches(a)aol.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:12 AM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud > Here is a pic from FB. > Ron > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bill gaino" <[1][7]gaino(a)earthlink.net> > To: "Larry Finch" <[2][8]fresnofinches(a)aol.com>, "Email List Address For > Posting" <[3][9]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 1:41:18 PM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud > The scoop looks like it feeds the ZF.. Fugly Bill 1362 > [4][10]https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref =ts& > fref=ts > If you want it slick. [11]www.slickpaint.com like us on facebook > -----Original Message----- > >From: Larry Finch via DeTomaso <[5][12]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > >Sent: Sep 13, 2016 1:03 PM > >To: Email List Address For Posting > <[6][13]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > >Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud > > > >All, > > > >I am resending this screen capture from last nightas show, as my > previous post seems to have lost its subject line. > > > >Please don't shoot the messenger. > > > >Since Richard liked the Nike interior disaster on the Ring Brothers > hack-job (at least enough to buy the thing), I imagine they will F-up > the interior of this Pantera to match their exterior disfigurement. > > > >Larry > > > >I am especially enamored with the tasteful deck lid cut-out > necessitated by the taller 3.5L V6. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [7][14]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > [8][15]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. 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Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. In my 30 years of Pantera ownership and reading any Pantera related material I could get my hands on, I have never seen these pictures before. Thanks for sharing Tom 5186 -----Original Message----- From: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf(a)embarqmail.com> To: 'Pantera Mail List' <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Wed, Sep 14, 2016 3:12 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud During the design stage, air flow to the engine was considered. I read there was a concern about having an air exit similar to the Mangusta because it would "frost over" and block flow cid:[1]image001.png@01D18958.40377A40 -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [[2]mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Larry Stock Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 15:22 PM To: Ken Green; [3]rfmccall(a)comcast.net; gaino, bill Cc: Email List Address For Posting; Larry Finch Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud Since there is no real air flow around where they placed the After Cooler, Maybe the air scoop is to create air flow to the after cooler and NOT the engine, I would simply use electric fans for this, but they ARE the Texas TV Experts, and I guess that^1s the way its done in Texas. Maybe our Pantera Boys in Texas need to give them some help here. Since they also eliminated the trunk storage area, they must not see the need get out much. Larry On 9/14/16, 12:00 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Ken Green via DeTomaso" <[1]detomaso-[4]bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com on behalf of [5]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > Getting cool air to the engine seems to be a difficult issue for a > Pantera if you don't want to alter the looks. Has anyone seen a > solution that doesn't look like an after thought? > Ken > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: "[2][6]rfmccall(a)comcast.net" <[3][7]rfmccall(a)comcast.net> > To: "gaino, bill" <[4][8]gaino(a)earthlink.net> > Cc: Email List Address For Posting <[5][9]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com>; > Larry Finch <[6][10]fresnofinches(a)aol.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:12 AM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud > Here is a pic from FB. > Ron > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bill gaino" <[1][7][11]gaino(a)earthlink.net> > To: "Larry Finch" <[2][8][12]fresnofinches(a)aol.com>, "Email List Address For > Posting" <[3][9][13]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 1:41:18 PM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud > The scoop looks like it feeds the ZF.. Fugly Bill 1362 > [4][10][14]https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634 ?ref =ts& > fref=ts > If you want it slick. [11][15]www.slickpaint.com like us on facebook > -----Original Message----- > >From: Larry Finch via DeTomaso <[5][12][16]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > >Sent: Sep 13, 2016 1:03 PM > >To: Email List Address For Posting > <[6][13][17]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > >Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud > > > >All, > > > >I am resending this screen capture from last nightas show, as my > previous post seems to have lost its subject line. > > > >Please don't shoot the messenger. > > > >Since Richard liked the Nike interior disaster on the Ring Brothers > hack-job (at least enough to buy the thing), I imagine they will F-up > the interior of this Pantera to match their exterior disfigurement. > > > >Larry > > > >I am especially enamored with the tasteful deck lid cut-out > necessitated by the taller 3.5L V6. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [7][14][18]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > [8][15][19]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. 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Re: [DeTomaso] Thermostat .... visual differenced between Cleveland and. Windsor thermostats
by bill＠incendium.com 20 Sep '16

20 Sep '16

And or Pantera Performance Center, Castle Rock. CheersBill MooreCalgary -------- Original message --------From: Michael Barnes <michaelbarnessrt10(a)hotmail.co.uk> Date: 2016-09-18 12:49 PM (GMT-07:00) To: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf(a)embarqmail.com> Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Thermostat .... visual differenced between Cleveland and. Windsor thermostats My t'stat and restrictor plate came from Marlin Jack,very professional service. Sent from Michael's iPhone > On 18 Sep 2016, at 19:32, Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf(a)embarqmail.com> wrote: > > I THINK the only source would be from Marlin Jack > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ed Lyerly [mailto:ed.lyerly@nctv.com] > Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 14:12 PM > To: 'Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.'; detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Thermostat .... visual differenced between Cleveland > and. Windsor thermostats > > Joe, > > Thank you very much for the pictures and additional info. I am fortunate to > have also received similar info in a PM from ken MacArthur. > > Now I know what I'm looking for and will get one of the Robert Shaw setups. > I appreciate your help. > > --Ed L > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. [mailto:byrdjf@embarqmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 1:51 PM > To: 'Ed Lyerly'; detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Thermostat .... visual differenced between Cleveland > and. Windsor thermostats > > Here is a photo of the Marlin Jack's thermostat and restrictor. Notice the > copper "hat" on the end. > > > Also is a write up I did to compare the bypassing versus radiator flow > between the proper thermostat and one that was sold by MS . > > A pic of the MS wrong stat in the packaging > > Joe in NC > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf > Of Ed Lyerly > Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 12:02 PM > To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] Thermostat .... visual differenced between Cleveland > and. Windsor thermostats > > I have read several times of Pantera owners having overheating problems that > were at least partially caused by using a Windsor thermostat > > in the Cleveland Pantera engine. Does anyone have a picture they could > share which would allow a visual identification of the differences in > > these different thermostats? > > Thanks, > > --Ed L > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. And or Pantera Performance Center, Castle Rock. Cheers Bill Moore Calgary -------- Original message -------- From: Michael Barnes <michaelbarnessrt10(a)hotmail.co.uk> Date: 2016-09-18 12:49 PM (GMT-07:00) To: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf(a)embarqmail.com> Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Thermostat .... visual differenced between Cleveland and. Windsor thermostats My t'stat and restrictor plate came from Marlin Jack,very professional service. Sent from Michael's iPhone > On 18 Sep 2016, at 19:32, Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf(a)embarqmail.com> wrote: > > I THINK the only source would be from Marlin Jack > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ed Lyerly [mailto:ed.lyerly@nctv.com] > Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 14:12 PM > To: 'Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.'; detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Thermostat .... visual differenced between Cleveland > and. Windsor thermostats > > Joe, > > Thank you very much for the pictures and additional info. I am fortunate to > have also received similar info in a PM from ken MacArthur. > > Now I know what I'm looking for and will get one of the Robert Shaw setups. > I appreciate your help. > > --Ed L > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. [mailto:byrdjf@embarqmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 1:51 PM > To: 'Ed Lyerly'; detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Thermostat .... visual differenced between Cleveland > and. Windsor thermostats > > Here is a photo of the Marlin Jack's thermostat and restrictor. Notice the > copper "hat" on the end. > > > Also is a write up I did to compare the bypassing versus radiator flow > between the proper thermostat and one that was sold by MS . > > A pic of the MS wrong stat in the packaging > > Joe in NC > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf > Of Ed Lyerly > Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 12:02 PM > To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] Thermostat .... visual differenced between Cleveland > and. Windsor thermostats > > I have read several times of Pantera owners having overheating problems that > were at least partially caused by using a Windsor thermostat > > in the Cleveland Pantera engine. Does anyone have a picture they could > share which would allow a visual identification of the differences in > > these different thermostats? > > Thanks, > > --Ed L > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

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High-flow versus standard-flow thermostats
by Larry Finch 20 Sep '16

20 Sep '16

All, I just want to point out that the NAPA thermostat referenced by Mike is a standard-flow version, Cleveland-correct design. There is also a high-flow Cleveland-correct version and THAT is the one Robertshaw has discontinued. I have heard the OEM unit from Ford was of the high-flow version. I have not read any definitive analysis of actual performance differences between the standard and high flow designs. What Marlin does is machine the “hat” and add it to the high-flow Windsor-correct thermostat, thus duplicating the unobtanium high-flow Cleveland-correct design. Photo has high-flow on left, standard on right. Larry All, I just want to point out that the NAPA thermostat referenced by Mike is a standard-flow version, Cleveland-correct design. There is also a high-flow Cleveland-correct version and THAT is the one Robertshaw has discontinued. I have heard the OEM unit from Ford was of the high-flow version. I have not read any definitive analysis of actual performance differences between the standard and high flow designs. What Marlin does is machine the "hat" and add it to the high-flow Windsor-correct thermostat, thus duplicating the unobtanium high-flow Cleveland-correct design. Photo has high-flow on left, standard on right. Larry [cid:356B10F8-04BE-4AF1-9D99-A8662A2216C4@attlocal.net]

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NPC, Need transmission suggestions
by michael frazier 19 Sep '16

19 Sep '16

Hi All, I’m putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road. It sat in a barn since 1961 and only has 25k miles, but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out. Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will remain. The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete Jaguar XJ suspension front and back. I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want an overdrive transmission. Manual or automatic, either one. It won’t be drag raced but will be used regularly and would likely be run in an open road race some time. That’s the reason for the overdrive. I’ve been out of this part of the game for a while and was wondering what would work well. What would bolt up and work. What would it come out of? Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated. Michael Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 Hi All, I'm putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road. It sat in a barn since 1961 and only has 25k miles, but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out. Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will remain. The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete Jaguar XJ suspension front and back. I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want an overdrive transmission. Manual or automatic, either one. It won't be drag raced but will be used regularly and would likely be run in an open road race some time. That's the reason for the overdrive. I've been out of this part of the game for a while and was wondering what would work well. What would bolt up and work. What would it come out of? Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated. Michael Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10 References 1. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986

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Re: [DeTomaso] Thermostat .... visual differenced between Cleveland and. Windsor thermostats
by Asa Jay Laughton 19 Sep '16

19 Sep '16

Answering my own question. I did a search on Napa and 197 -is- the part number. And on line at least, it shows the proper "hat." Asa Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks Answering my own question. I did a search on Napa and 197 -is- the part number. And on line at least, it shows the proper "hat." Asa Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks

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Re: [DeTomaso] Thermostat .... visual differenced between Cleveland and. Windsor thermostats
by Asa Jay Laughton 19 Sep '16

19 Sep '16

Mike, Could you do that again, with the part number visible? Or is 197 the part number? Asa Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: >All, > >Stephane Bergeron is visiting from Paris and we just picked up a thermostat from NAPA. Here is all you need to know... > > > > >Mike > >Sent from my iPhone > >On Sep 18, 2016, at 12:33, "bill(a)incendium.com" <bill(a)incendium.com> wrote: > >> And or Pantera Performance Center, Castle Rock. >> >> Cheers >> >> Bill Moore >> >> Calgary >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Michael Barnes <michaelbarnessrt10(a)hotmail.co.uk> >> Date: 2016-09-18 12:49 PM (GMT-07:00) >> To: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf(a)embarqmail.com> >> Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Thermostat .... visual differenced between >> Cleveland and. Windsor thermostats >> >> My t'stat and restrictor plate came from Marlin Jack,very professional >> service. >> Sent from Michael's iPhone >>> On 18 Sep 2016, at 19:32, Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf(a)embarqmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> I THINK the only source would be from Marlin Jack >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Ed Lyerly [mailto:ed.lyerly@nctv.com] >>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 14:12 PM >>> To: 'Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.'; detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Thermostat .... visual differenced between >> Cleveland >>> and. Windsor thermostats >>> >>> Joe, >>> >>> Thank you very much for the pictures and additional info. I am >> fortunate to >>> have also received similar info in a PM from ken MacArthur. >>> >>> Now I know what I'm looking for and will get one of the Robert Shaw >> setups. >>> I appreciate your help. >>> >>> --Ed L >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. [mailto:byrdjf@embarqmail.com] >>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 1:51 PM >>> To: 'Ed Lyerly'; detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Thermostat .... visual differenced between >> Cleveland >>> and. Windsor thermostats >>> >>> Here is a photo of the Marlin Jack's thermostat and restrictor. >> Notice the >>> copper "hat" on the end. >>> >>> >>> Also is a write up I did to compare the bypassing versus radiator >> flow >>> between the proper thermostat and one that was sold by MS . >>> >>> A pic of the MS wrong stat in the packaging >>> >>> Joe in NC >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On >> Behalf >>> Of Ed Lyerly >>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 12:02 PM >>> To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Thermostat .... visual differenced between >> Cleveland >>> and. Windsor thermostats >>> >>> I have read several times of Pantera owners having overheating >> problems that >>> were at least partially caused by using a Windsor thermostat >>> >>> in the Cleveland Pantera engine. Does anyone have a picture they >> could >>> share which would allow a visual identification of the differences in >>> >>> these different thermostats? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> --Ed L >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >>> DeTomaso mailing list >>> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>> >>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) >> use the links above. >>> >>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward >> any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the >> list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive >> or approve the archiving of list messages. >> _______________________________________________ >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) >> use the links above. >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the >> list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive >> or approve the archiving of list messages. >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > >_______________________________________________ > > >Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >DeTomaso mailing list >DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > >To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > >Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Mike, Could you do that again, with the part number visible? Or is 197 the part number? Asa Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: All, Stephane Bergeron is visiting from Paris and we just picked up a thermostat from NAPA. Here is all you need to know... Mike Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2016, at 12:33, "bill(a)incendium.com" <bill(a)incendium.com> wrote: > And or Pantera Performance Center, Castle Rock. > > Cheers > > Bill Moore > > Calgary > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Michael Barnes <michaelbarnessrt10(a)hotmail.co.uk> > Date: 2016-09-18 12:49 PM (GMT-07:00) > To: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf(a)embarqmail.com> > Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Thermostat .... visual differenced between > Cleveland and. Windsor thermostats > > My t'stat and restrictor plate came from Marlin Jack,very professional > service. > Sent from Michael's iPhone >> On 18 Sep 2016, at 19:32, Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf(a)embarqmail.com> > wrote: >> >> I THINK the only source would be from Marlin Jack >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ed Lyerly [mailto:ed.lyerly@nctv.com] >> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 14:12 PM >> To: 'Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.'; detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Thermostat .... visual differenced between > Cleveland >> and. Windsor thermostats >> >> Joe, >> >> Thank you very much for the pictures and additional info. I am > fortunate to >> have also received similar info in a PM from ken MacArthur. >> >> Now I know what I'm looking for and will get one of the Robert Shaw > setups. >> I appreciate your help. >> >> --Ed L >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. [mailto:byrdjf@embarqmail.com] >> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 1:51 PM >> To: 'Ed Lyerly'; detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Thermostat .... visual differenced between > Cleveland >> and. Windsor thermostats >> >> Here is a photo of the Marlin Jack's thermostat and restrictor. > Notice the >> copper "hat" on the end. >> >> >> Also is a write up I did to compare the bypassing versus radiator > flow >> between the proper thermostat and one that was sold by MS . >> >> A pic of the MS wrong stat in the packaging >> >> Joe in NC >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On > Behalf >> Of Ed Lyerly >> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 12:02 PM >> To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Thermostat .... visual differenced between > Cleveland >> and. Windsor thermostats >> >> I have read several times of Pantera owners having overheating > problems that >> were at least partially caused by using a Windsor thermostat >> >> in the Cleveland Pantera engine. Does anyone have a picture they > could >> share which would allow a visual identification of the differences in >> >> these different thermostats? >> >> Thanks, >> >> --Ed L >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward > any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. 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Tire Size`
by rcbsons1＠aol.com 19 Sep '16

19 Sep '16

To me a 345 tire out back and a 225 tire in the front is way too much stagger... I have tried almost every size front and back when I first got my car and I have run a 345 with a front tire in 225 and the car is a little scary to me.... I remember Dawg and others telling me I needed to make my rear tire smaller to help the handling of the car I was running a 335 in the back and 235 out front and now I am at 315 and 245.. yes you need to roll the fenders and open things up.. depends on how low you want to run the car I also tried every height for years.. it takes a while to figure it out... Just my thoughts on that big of a stagger Bob Benson To me a 345 tire out back and a 225 tire in the front is way too much stagger... I have tried almost every size front and back when I first got my car and I have run a 345 with a front tire in 225 and the car is a little scary to me.... I remember Dawg and others telling me I needed to make my rear tire smaller to help the handling of the car I was running a 335 in the back and 235 out front and now I am at 315 and 245.. yes you need to roll the fenders and open things up.. depends on how low you want to run the car I also tried every height for years.. it takes a while to figure it out... Just my thoughts on that big of a stagger Bob Benson

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Seat Track Adjuster Location
by Garth Rodericks 19 Sep '16

19 Sep '16

Hi Mike, On my late 72 the seat track adjuster knob is on the inside, adjacent to the center console. Cheers!Garth -------------- original message -------------- Hi all...quick question. I have a stock 1974 Pantera L and I'm putting in my stock seats after they've been out of the car for 25 years. I had the seat rails separated from the seats all these years and can't remember if the rail with the adjuster knob goes on the outside (near outer rocker panel) or on the inside (near the shifter) of the seat. I've looked in the manual and at various photos and have not seen for sure where they go. I also have seen photos with them on either side. Anyone with a late L who can answer? I think they go on the inside of the seat. Thanks, Mike R. Hi Mike, On my late 72 the seat track adjuster knob is on the inside, adjacent to the center console. Cheers! Garth -------------- original message -------------- Hi all...quick question. I have a stock 1974 Pantera L and I'm putting in my stock seats after they've been out of the car for 25 years. I had the seat rails separated from the seats all these years and can't remember if the rail with the adjuster knob goes on the outside (near outer rocker panel) or on the inside (near the shifter) of the seat. I've looked in the manual and at various photos and have not seen for sure where they go. I also have seen photos with them on either side. Anyone with a late L who can answer? I think they go on the inside of the seat. Thanks, Mike R.

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