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Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 7
by cengles＠cox.net 08 Sep '16

08 Sep '16

Dear Larry, Dumb question: is your brace system available individually or only as a package? Curious, Chuck Engles On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Larry Stock wrote: > It is the the lower front end of the Pantera that is the weakest point > Mike. The Upper front is well braced, it is the lower A-Arm attachment > that is left floundering. The Front affects the rear twist. Remember > the > rear sway bar affects the front end handling part of 101 suspension > tuning? I actually cracked (broke off) my front frame member at the > attaching points to the Cabin. The only thing that was holding my > Pantera > together was my frame brace system. The 4 piece system you refer to > does > nothing to reinforce this weakest point of the Pantera Frame. Our > lower > front stiffener is a 5 foot long X to cross brace the ³Splice² the > factory > used to attach the front frame section to the cabin sheetmetal. Our > front > brace connects the two front frame rails to the cabin lateral (cross > stiffener under the front of the seats) that ties to the 3 piece > rocker > Box panels. Larry > > On 9/7/16, 6:55 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso" > <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com on behalf of > detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > >> In a message dated 9/7/16 9 49 57, owen(a)tadhgcooke.com writes: >> >> I am new to Panteras having bought one one year ago and reworked >> it >> extensively >> i am used to european cars and i know when a chassis twists and >> therefore is poor on the handling side >> the pantera is the only car i ever had that will lift 2 opposite >> wheels >> off the ground if you jack it from one corner >> i believe it is an extremely stiff chassis and needs no further >> stiffening . >> the suspensions may of course need tuning for specific use but >> that >> is >> all in my opinion >> my car at least drives like a go-cart >> >>>>> Well, it may be stiffer than your other European cars, but without >> knowing what they are, that's not saying much. 1950s British >> roadsters, for instance, are no standard to judge against in this >> department. :>) >> The front of the Pantera is fairly rigid, but the rear is extremely >> flexible. Try jacking a front corner off the ground and see how >> well >> the doors, or the decklid open. >> The four-part chassis stiffening kit addresses this fundamental >> weakness with the piece that replaces the stock engine bay camber >> bar. >> The wide open engine bay is rather like a square cardboard box with >> the >> top and bottom open, laid on its side. Push on a corner and it >> just >> folds flat. As long as the stock bar (or equivalent to include the >> adjustable kind) is the only thing there, nothing will prevent this >> effect from happening. The Hall and Byars kit piece consists of an >> upper and lower bar, tied together in a parallogram manner. (I'm >> only >> talking about the top part of their kit, not the lower part). As >> long >> as the top part is affixed in all four places, it will do a >> tremendous >> job of stiffening the rear of the car. >> http://www.precisionproformance.com/pics/rigid4.jpg >> The other three parts of the kit are arguably much less important, >> but >> you can't just buy the one you want/need; you have to buy the whole >> kit. >> The front half of my kit is still in the box, gathering dust.... >> Mike >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) >> use >> the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward >> any >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the >> list. >> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or >> approve the archiving of list messages. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive > or approve the archiving of list messages.

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FW: NPC: on this day
by Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. 08 Sep '16

08 Sep '16

As for the fiction to become fact, I am waiting for the phasor's battery pack! Joe/NC -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Himes, Terry (397C) Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 12:05 PM To: Larry - Ohio Time; 'Pantera Mail List' Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: on this day "Impact on science and technology" ?? Hmmm?? Bold statement for a TV show. Gotta love HollyWeird. "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> 🇺🇸 From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Larry - Ohio Time <Larry(a)OhioTimeCorp.com<mailto:Larry@OhioTimeCorp.com>> Date: Thursday, September 8, 2016 8:56 AM To: 'Pantera Mail List' <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: on this day On September 8, 1966 at 8:30 pm ET, a new series premiered on the NBC television network. Neither the network nor the studio had any confidence in it and Variety panned it as "an incredible and dreary mess of confusion and complexities." Never a ratings hit, it barely ran three seasons before cancellation, yet this unsuccessful show called Star Trek went on to become a cultural phenomenon whose influence continues to reverberate half a century later, not only in entertainment, but in its impact on science and technology. Larry (Live Long and Pantera) - Cleveland

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Tom Tjaarda interview at the Monterey Concourso Italiano
by Rob Dumoulin 08 Sep '16

08 Sep '16

Nice but short piece. https://www.wired.com/2016/09/tom-tjaarda-italian-car-design/ Nice but short piece. [1]https://www.wired.com/2016/09/tom-tjaarda-italian-car-design/ References 1. https://www.wired.com/2016/09/tom-tjaarda-italian-car-design/

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Tom T article
by Larry Finch 08 Sep '16

08 Sep '16

All, Article available online from WIRED magazine. Legendary Designer Tom Tjaarda on the Eternal Beauty of Italian Cars https://www.wired.com/2016/09/tom-tjaarda-italian-car-design Larry Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.

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Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 7
by MikeLDrew＠aol.com 08 Sep '16

08 Sep '16

In a message dated 9/7/16 9 49 57, owen(a)tadhgcooke.com writes: > I am new to Panteras having bought one one year ago and reworked it > extensively > > i am used to european cars and i know when a chassis twists and > therefore is poor on the handling side > > the pantera is the only car i ever had that will lift 2 opposite wheels > off the ground if you jack it from one corner > > i believe it is an extremely stiff chassis and needs no further stiffening > . > > the suspensions may of course need tuning for specific use but that is > all in my opinion > > my car at least drives like a go-cart > > >>>Well, it may be stiffer than your other European cars, but without knowing what they are, that's not saying much. 1950s British roadsters, for instance, are no standard to judge against in this department. :>) The front of the Pantera is fairly rigid, but the rear is extremely flexible. Try jacking a front corner off the ground and see how well the doors, or the decklid open. The four-part chassis stiffening kit addresses this fundamental weakness with the piece that replaces the stock engine bay camber bar. The wide open engine bay is rather like a square cardboard box with the top and bottom open, laid on its side. Push on a corner and it just folds flat. As long as the stock bar (or equivalent to include the adjustable kind) is the only thing there, nothing will prevent this effect from happening. The Hall and Byars kit piece consists of an upper and lower bar, tied together in a parallogram manner. (I'm only talking about the top part of their kit, not the lower part). As long as the top part is affixed in all four places, it will do a tremendous job of stiffening the rear of the car. http://www.precisionproformance.com/pics/rigid4.jpg The other three parts of the kit are arguably much less important, but you can't just buy the one you want/need; you have to buy the whole kit. The front half of my kit is still in the box, gathering dust.... Mike In a message dated 9/7/16 9 49 57, owen(a)tadhgcooke.com writes: I am new to Panteras having bought one one year ago and reworked it extensively i am used to european cars and i know when a chassis twists and therefore is poor on the handling side the pantera is the only car i ever had that will lift 2 opposite wheels off the ground if you jack it from one corner i believe it is an extremely stiff chassis and needs no further stiffening . the suspensions may of course need tuning for specific use but that is all in my opinion my car at least drives like a go-cart >>>Well, it may be stiffer than your other European cars, but without knowing what they are, that's not saying much. 1950s British roadsters, for instance, are no standard to judge against in this department. :>) The front of the Pantera is fairly rigid, but the rear is extremely flexible. Try jacking a front corner off the ground and see how well the doors, or the decklid open. The four-part chassis stiffening kit addresses this fundamental weakness with the piece that replaces the stock engine bay camber bar. The wide open engine bay is rather like a square cardboard box with the top and bottom open, laid on its side. Push on a corner and it just folds flat. As long as the stock bar (or equivalent to include the adjustable kind) is the only thing there, nothing will prevent this effect from happening. The Hall and Byars kit piece consists of an upper and lower bar, tied together in a parallogram manner. (I'm only talking about the top part of their kit, not the lower part). As long as the top part is affixed in all four places, it will do a tremendous job of stiffening the rear of the car. http://www.precisionproformance.com/pics/rigid4.jpg The other three parts of the kit are arguably much less important, but you can't just buy the one you want/need; you have to buy the whole kit. The front half of my kit is still in the box, gathering dust.... Mike

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Re: [DeTomaso] Flooded Pantera
by cengles＠cox.net 08 Sep '16

08 Sep '16

Dear Kjeld, I just spoke with Crystal at the number you gave me. She was very helpful. She finally found that the big Copart computer list did show TWO Panteras! However......both Panteras were bought back by their owners!!! No longer for sale! So, the dream of a very inexpensive and slighty damp and stinky Pantera is dead. Sigh. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 8:53 AM, Kjeld Pedersen wrote: Hi Charles. I get in contact with the COPART in LA-BATON ROUGE. Phone 02252610102 and then I press four. I talk with a friendly woman, but she could not find any De Tomaso Pantera on their list. She told me the owner has an 8-digit LOT number from the incurrence company. Do not know if it possible for you to help me finding this LOT number. Med venlig hilsen / Kind regards Kjeld Pedersen Kabinespecialisten ApS Røllikevej 11 9310 Vodskov TLF. +45 98 29 34 94 - Mobil +45 28 14 34 94 CVR 34080712 www.servicegear.dk <http://www.servicegear.dk/> <http://www.servicegear.dk/> <http://www.servicegear.dk/> Fra: cengles(a)cox.net <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('cengles(a)cox.net')> [mailto: cengles(a)cox.net <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('cengles(a)cox.net')> ] Sendt: 8. september 2016 14:21 Til: info(a)servicegear.dk <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('info(a)servicegear.dk')> Emne: Re: Flooded Pantera pictures <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('info(a)servicegear.dk')> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('info(a)servicegear.dk')> Dear Kjeld: Good luck. I hope you are able to buy it. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('info(a)servicegear.dk')> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('info(a)servicegear.dk')> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('info(a)servicegear.dk')> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('info(a)servicegear.dk')> On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 12:01 AM, Kjeld Pedersen wrote: <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('info(a)servicegear.dk')> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('info(a)servicegear.dk')> Hi Charles. <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('info(a)servicegear.dk')> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('info(a)servicegear.dk')> Thanks i Will try to se if i Can get in touch with some one at the auction House . <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('info(a)servicegear.dk')> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('info(a)servicegear.dk')> Best regards. <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('info(a)servicegear.dk')> Kjeld pedersen <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('info(a)servicegear.dk')> Denmark <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('info(a)servicegear.dk')> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('info(a)servicegear.dk')> Sendt fra min iPad <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('info(a)servicegear.dk')> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('info(a)servicegear.dk')> Den 8. sep. 2016 kl. 02.24 skrev Charles Engles < cengles(a)cox.net <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('cengles(a)cox.net')> >: <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('cengles(a)cox.net')> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('cengles(a)cox.net')> Dear Kjeld, This is the email from my friend and the pictures that the insurance adjustor sent to him. Chuck Engles <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('cengles(a)cox.net')> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('cengles(a)cox.net')> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('cengles(a)cox.net')> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('cengles(a)cox.net')> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('cengles(a)cox.net')> From: James Duncan [ mailto:jdwd2685@sbcglobal.net <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('jdwd2685(a)sbcglobal.net')> ] <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('jdwd2685(a)sbcglobal.net')> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2016 8:08 PM <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('jdwd2685(a)sbcglobal.net')> To: Charles Engles <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('jdwd2685(a)sbcglobal.net')> Subject: Pantera's <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('jdwd2685(a)sbcglobal.net')> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('jdwd2685(a)sbcglobal.net')> You can bid on the cars on line I'm told, I have a friend that is working there in Baton Rouge as an Ins adjustor and I think this car is going for 10K ? <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('jdwd2685(a)sbcglobal.net')> <IMG_2523.JPG> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('jdwd2685(a)sbcglobal.net')> <IMG_2524.JPG> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('jdwd2685(a)sbcglobal.net')> <IMG_2525.JPG> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('jdwd2685(a)sbcglobal.net')> <IMG_2526.JPG> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('jdwd2685(a)sbcglobal.net')> <IMG_2527.JPG> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('jdwd2685(a)sbcglobal.net')> <IMG_2528.JPG> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('jdwd2685(a)sbcglobal.net')> <IMG_2529.JPG> <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('jdwd2685(a)sbcglobal.net')> Dear Kjeld, I just spoke with Crystal at the number you gave me. She was very helpful. She finally found that the big Copart computer list did show TWO Panteras! However......both Panteras were bought back by their owners!!! No longer for sale! So, the dream of a very inexpensive and slighty damp and stinky Pantera is dead. Sigh. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 8:53 AM, Kjeld Pedersen wrote: Hi Charles. A I get in contact with the COPART in LA-BATON ROUGE. Phone 02252610102 and then I press four. I talk with a friendly woman, but she could not find any De Tomaso Pantera on their list. She told me the owner has an 8-digit LOT number from the incurrence company. Do not know if it possible for you to help me finding this LOT number. A A Med venlig hilsen / Kind regards A Kjeld Pedersen A Kabinespecialisten ApS RA,llikevej 11 9310 Vodskov TLF. +45 98 29 34 94A - MobilA +45 28 14 34 94 CVR 34080712 [1]www.servicegear.dk A Fra: [2]cengles(a)cox.net[mailto: [3]cengles(a)cox.net] Sendt: 8. september 2016 14:21 Til: [4]info(a)servicegear.dk Emne: Re: Flooded Pantera pictures A Dear Kjeld:A Good luck.A I hope you are able to buy it.A A A Warmest regards,A Chuck Engles A On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 12:01 AM, Kjeld Pedersen wrote: A A Hi Charles. Thanks i Will try to se if i Can get in touch with some one at the auction House . Best regards. 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Oil Pressure Gauge Part Deux - Mechanical Gauge Test
by Mike Thomas 08 Sep '16

08 Sep '16

Received the mechanical gauge from Mike Drew today (thanks Mike). Put it on and started the motor, and it reads 60 lbs. at start and warm up at 1500 RPM’s, not much less at idle (~900 when the choke lets go(, and only a little more when I rev. That doesn’t seem right. I would expect it to drop pretty low at idle. Thoughts? Mike Thomas From: Richard Greenblum [mailto:richard@richardgreenblum.com] Sent: Friday, September 02, 2016 7:19 PM To: Mike Thomas <mbefthomas(a)comcast.net> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Pressure Gauge Thanks Mike, I'm going to look him up. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 2, 2016, at 18:43, Mike Thomas <mbefthomas(a)comcast.net> wrote: Rick Sanchez From: Richard Greenblum [mailto:richard@richardgreenblum.com] Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2016 5:53 PM To: Mike Thomas <mbefthomas(a)comcast.net <mailto:mbefthomas@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Pressure Gauge Know it well, the zip code is 78154. It's right outside San Antonio and next to Randolph AFB, where I was stationed for most of my Air Force Reserve career. About 60 miles from my house in Austin. I'm sure Michael Frazier knows him. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 1, 2016, at 19:38, Mike Thomas <mbefthomas(a)comcast.net <mailto:mbefthomas@comcast.net> > wrote: Actually in a town called Schertz, not sure how close that is to you. Zip is 87154. Mike From: Richard Greenblum [mailto:Richard@richardgreenblum.com] Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2016 7:41 AM To: Mike Thomas <mbefthomas(a)comcast.net <mailto:mbefthomas@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Pressure Gauge That wasn’t me, Mike. If there’s another Richard in Austin with a Pantera, I’d like to meet him! Did you attend the Rally two years ago put on by Space City Panteras? From: Mike Thomas <mbefthomas(a)comcast.net <mailto:mbefthomas@comcast.net> > Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 at 22:17 To: Richard Greenblum <richard(a)richardgreenblum.com <mailto:richard@richardgreenblum.com> > Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Oil Pressure Gauge Thanks Richard Are you the same Richard in Texas who just bought my firewall cover? Mike -----Original Message----- From: Richard Greenblum [mailto:richard@richardgreenblum.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 6:13 PM To: Mike Thomas <mbefthomas(a)comcast.net <mailto:mbefthomas@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Pressure Gauge Mike, I obviously can't tell what your problem is from here, but mine did that for a while. When I tapped on the glass sometimes it would start working again, sometimes it wouldn't. Then it stopped and has been normal for a while. I think it's obviously the gauge. Richard Austin, TX Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2016, at 19:26, Mike Thomas <mbefthomas(a)comcast.net <mailto:mbefthomas@comcast.net> > wrote: I'm trying to figure out why I'm getting a pegged reading on my oil pressure gauge. It will show normal pressure as the car starts, but soon after pegs to the right and stays there. Everything runs fine otherwise. I've swapped out the pressure sender, NAPA OP6091, and it's still pegging, so I'm suspecting the gauge. Anything else I could check? Thanks Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest Yellow '74 #6328 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com <mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Received the mechanical gauge from Mike Drew today (thanks Mike). Put it on and started the motor, and it reads 60 lbs. at start and warm up at 1500 RPM's, not much less at idle (~900 when the choke lets go(, and only a little more when I rev. That doesn't seem right. I would expect it to drop pretty low at idle. Thoughts? Mike Thomas From: Richard Greenblum [mailto:richard@richardgreenblum.com] Sent: Friday, September 02, 2016 7:19 PM To: Mike Thomas <mbefthomas(a)comcast.net> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Pressure Gauge Thanks Mike, I'm going to look him up. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 2, 2016, at 18:43, Mike Thomas <[1]mbefthomas(a)comcast.net> wrote: Rick Sanchez From: Richard Greenblum [[2]mailto:richard@richardgreenblum.com] Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2016 5:53 PM To: Mike Thomas <[3]mbefthomas(a)comcast.net> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Pressure Gauge Know it well, the zip code is 78154. It's right outside San Antonio and next to Randolph AFB, where I was stationed for most of my Air Force Reserve career. About 60 miles from my house in Austin. I'm sure Michael Frazier knows him. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 1, 2016, at 19:38, Mike Thomas <[4]mbefthomas(a)comcast.net> wrote: Actually in a town called Schertz, not sure how close that is to you. Zip is 87154. Mike From: Richard Greenblum [[5]mailto:Richard@richardgreenblum.com] Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2016 7:41 AM To: Mike Thomas <[6]mbefthomas(a)comcast.net> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Pressure Gauge That wasn't me, Mike. If there's another Richard in Austin with a Pantera, I'd like to meet him! Did you attend the Rally two years ago put on by Space City Panteras? From: Mike Thomas <[7]mbefthomas(a)comcast.net> Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 at 22:17 To: Richard Greenblum <[8]richard(a)richardgreenblum.com> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Oil Pressure Gauge Thanks Richard Are you the same Richard in Texas who just bought my firewall cover? Mike -----Original Message----- From: Richard Greenblum [[9]mailto:richard@richardgreenblum.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 6:13 PM To: Mike Thomas <[10]mbefthomas(a)comcast.net> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Pressure Gauge Mike, I obviously can't tell what your problem is from here, but mine did that for a while. When I tapped on the glass sometimes it would start working again, sometimes it wouldn't. Then it stopped and has been normal for a while. I think it's obviously the gauge. Richard Austin, TX Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2016, at 19:26, Mike Thomas <[11]mbefthomas(a)comcast.net> wrote: I'm trying to figure out why I'm getting a pegged reading on my oil pressure gauge. It will show normal pressure as the car starts, but soon after pegs to the right and stays there. Everything runs fine otherwise. I've swapped out the pressure sender, NAPA OP6091, and it's still pegging, so I'm suspecting the gauge. Anything else I could check? Thanks Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest Yellow '74 #6328 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [12]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com [13]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 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Re: [DeTomaso] Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge
by Charles Engles 08 Sep '16

08 Sep '16

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Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 7
by Charles Engles 08 Sep '16

08 Sep '16

Dear Kjeld, I was told by my friend that the flooded Pantera is *supposed* to be listed through a big salvage auction company: Copart www.copart.com What I was told is the car is in or near Baton Rouge,Louisiana, but I do not know for sure. I will forward you the pictures sent to me. I tried twice to find the car listed on the Copart website, but without luck. My suggestion would be to call the people tomorrow and see if actual human to human telephone communication can determine if they do have the flooded Pantera for sale or not. If they do, then it will very likely be for sale by on line auction. That is all that I know. Good luck. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Kjeld Pedersen Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 3:11 PM To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 7 Hi. Where do i find the auktion for this flooded Pantera. Kjeld Pedersen Denmark. Sendt fra min iPad > Den 7. sep. 2016 kl. 18.00 skrev detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com: > > Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to > detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > detomaso-owner(a)server.detomasolist.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..." > > > Daily Detomaso List Digest > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Chassis stiffening kit install (Asa Jay Laughton) > 2. Re: Chassis stiffening kit install (Corey Price) > 3. Re: Chassis stiffening kit install (Himes, Terry (397C)) > 4. Re: Chassis stiffening kit install (Jeff Cobb) > 5. Re: Chassis stiffening kit install (Ed Mendez) > 6. Re: Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge (Ed Mendez) > 7. Re: Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge (Bill Lewis) > 8. Another Scirocco for Mike Drew? (Mike Reilly) > 9. Re: Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge (Charles Engles) > 10. Re: Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge (Scott Mead Photography) > 11. Re: Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge (Jim Gray) > 12. Re: Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge (Julian Kift) > 13. Re: Another Scirocco for Mike Drew? (Paul A Rimov) > 14. NPC: Re: Another Scirocco for Mike Drew? (Mike Drew) > 15. Re: Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge (bill(a)incendium.com) > 16. Re: Flooded Pantera in Baton Rouge (Jeff Cobb) > 17. Pantera that was delivered to Ford Executive (Ed Mendez) > 18. Re: Pantera that was delivered to Ford Executive (Michael Becker) > 19. Re: Pantera that was delivered to Ford Executive (Mike Drew) > 20. Re: Pantera that was delivered to Ford Executive > (Asa Jay Laughton) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2016 09:12:36 -0700 > From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay(a)asajay.com> > To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Chassis stiffening kit install > Message-ID: > <20160906091236.Horde.ar-Z_qWIOS8j_qGVt8ynMXJ(a)webmail.asajay.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; DelSp=Yes > > For what it's worth, when I was in Castle Rock a few years ago and had > time to visit with Dennis and Adam at Pantera Performance Center, > Dennis essentially told me the same thing about the front trunk brace > (as I recall). That it really wasn't necessary and only served to > reduce the amount of usable space in a street car that was only > occasionally tracked or open road raced. I believe his recommendation > was to not bother with it for most purposes. > > Asa Jay > > Quoting Larry Stock <larrys(a)panteraparts.com>: > >> If one actually was an engineer and analyzed this brace, it is utterly >> useless. It braces the shear wall construction already built into the >> upper A-Arm mounting points. Not much movement here with the factory job. >> Lots of help is needed down below to take the twist out of the lower A-Arm >> supports. Larry >> >> On 9/6/16, 8:18 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Julian Kift" >> <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com on behalf of >> julian_kift(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I could start by saying leave it i the corner of the garage, unless you >>> are building and out and out racer.... it is only purpose in a street >>> car is to further limit your wife's luggage allowance, although >>> maybe that could be deemed a positive if she is then limited to only >>> taking briefs and bras... >>> >>> Others seem to have managed to bolt it in, sitting very low in the >>> trunk (less than an inch between brace and trunk floor). To be >>> functional it should sit directly behind the upper shock mounts. >>> Julian >>> __________________________________________________________________ >>> >>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of >>> John McKee <johnmckee(a)cox.net> >>> Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 10:28 PM >>> To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Chassis stiffening kit install >>> >>> I am currently working on the front trunk area and I am trying to >>> figure out >>> the best way to mount the triangular upper brace (the part sold by >>> Precision >>> ProFormance). The mounting plates have four bolt holes but it looks >>> like I >>> would not be able to get bolts to work as they would conflict with the >>> upper >>> suspension mounting rail. I am thinking the best solution may be to >>> plug >>> weld those holes from the trunk side. Can anyone share their experience >>> installing these plates? >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> John >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >>> DeTomaso mailing list >>> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>> >>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use >>> the links above. >>> >>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >>> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. >>> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or >>> approve the archiving of list messages. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, >> etc.) use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward >> any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of >> the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an >> archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > > > -- > Asa Jay Laughton - sent from somewhere other than home > ****************************************************** > http://www.w7tsc.org > http://www.teampanteraracing.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 10:59:11 -0600 > From: Corey Price <coreyjprice(a)gmail.com> > To: Larry Stock <larrys(a)panteraparts.com> > Cc: "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" > <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com>, John McKee <johnmckee(a)cox.net> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Chassis stiffening kit install > Message-ID: <757BA10E-B268-4C5C-BB08-E9454A16E5F3(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I'm not an automotive engineer but I am a structural engineer and such bracing in the front trunk isn't my first choice in brace points. There's a couple other "elephants in the room" so to speak. I've had some good conversations with Goran Malmberg about his testing of torsional stiffness and tend to agree with his test results. I have Larry's bracing. There's two other really good locations to brace besides what Larry has: > > 1. The rear upper cross brace is useless and is a hinge where it needs to be stiff. There is significant twisting there. The Precision Proformance brace there helps. > 2. The interior of the car twists the most. Rocker strengthening or full roll cage would help if done right but I would only do a roll cage in a race car where a helmet is worn. Also, to brace it right, the passenger seat would be useless. > > Just my two cents. > > Corey > >> On Sep 6, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Larry Stock <larrys(a)panteraparts.com> wrote: >> >> If one actually was an engineer and analyzed this brace, it is utterly >> useless. It braces the shear wall construction already built into the >> upper A-Arm mounting points. Not much movement here with the factory job. >> Lots of help is needed down below to take the twist out of the lower A-Arm >> supports. Larry >> >> On 9/6/16, 8:18 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Julian Kift" >> <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com on behalf of >> julian_kift(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I could start by saying leave it i the corner of the garage, unless you >>> are building and out and out racer.... it is only purpose in a street >>> car is to further limit your wife's luggage allowance, although >>> maybe that could be deemed a positive if she is then limited to only >>> taking briefs and bras... >>> >>> Others seem to have managed to bolt it in, sitting very low in the >>> trunk (less than an inch between brace and trunk floor). To be >>> functional it should sit directly behind the upper shock mounts. >>> Julian >>> __________________________________________________________________ >>> >>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of >>> John McKee <johnmckee(a)cox.net> >>> Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 10:28 PM >>> To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Chassis stiffening kit install >>> >>> I am currently working on the front trunk area and I am trying to >>> figure out >>> the best way to mount the triangular upper brace (the part sold by >>> Precision >>> ProFormance). The mounting plates have four bolt holes but it looks >>> like I >>> would not be able to get bolts to work as they would conflict with the >>> upper >>> suspension mounting rail. I am thinking the best solution may be to >>> plug >>> weld those holes from the trunk side. Can anyone share their experience >>> installing these plates? >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> John >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >>> DeTomaso mailing list >>> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >>> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>> >>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use >>> the links above. >>> >>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >>> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. >>> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or >>> approve the archiving of list messages. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 17:03:08 +0000 > From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes(a)jpl.nasa.gov> > To: "asajay(a)asajay.com" <asajay(a)asajay.com>, > "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Chassis stiffening kit install > Message-ID: <D3F43B28.921AC%thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > The problem is, most place force you to buy both! Correct me if I'm wrong. > > > "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, > stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" > > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Dawn Spacecraft Team > Rosetta Sequence Team Lead > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > Fax: (818) 393-3147 > thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> > ?? > > From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.det omasolist.com>> on behalf of Asa Jay Laughton <asajay(a)asajay.com<mailto:asajay@asajay.com>> > Reply-To: "asajay(a)asajay.com<mailto:asajay@asajay.com>" <asajay(a)asajay.com<mailto:asajay@asajay.com>> > Date: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 9:12 AM > To: "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Chassis stiffening kit install > > For what it's worth, when I was in Castle Rock a few years ago and had > time to visit with Dennis and Adam at Pantera Performance Center, > Dennis essentially told me the same thing about the front trunk brace > (as I recall). That it really wasn't necessary and only served to > reduce the amount of usable space in a street car that was only > occasionally tracked or open road raced. I believe his recommendation > was to not bother with it for most purposes. > > Asa Jay > > Quoting Larry Stock <larrys(a)panteraparts.com<mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com>>: > > If one actually was an engineer and analyzed this brace, it is utterly > useless. It braces the shear wall construction already built into the > upper A-Arm mounting points. Not much movement here with the factory job. > Lots of help is needed down below to take the twist out of the lower A-Arm > supports. Larry > > On 9/6/16, 8:18 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Julian Kift" > <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.det omasolist.com> on behalf of > julian_kift(a)hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> wrote: > > I could start by saying leave it i the corner of the garage, unless you > are building and out and out racer.... it is only purpose in a street > car is to further limit your wife's luggage allowance, although > maybe that could be deemed a positive if she is then limited to only > taking briefs and bras... > > Others seem to have managed to bolt it in, sitting very low in the > trunk (less than an inch between brace and trunk floor). To be > functional it should sit directly behind the upper shock mounts. > Julian > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.det omasolist.com>> on behalf of > John McKee <johnmckee(a)cox.net<mailto:johnmckee@cox.net>> > Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 10:28 PM > To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Chassis stiffening kit install > > I am currently working on the front trunk area and I am trying to > figure out > the best way to mount the triangular upper brace (the part sold by > Precision > ProFormance). The mounting plates have four bolt holes but it looks > like I > would not be able to get bolts to work as they would conflict with the > upper > suspension mounting rail. I am thinking the best solution may be to > plug > weld those holes from the trunk side. Can anyone share their experience > installing these plates? > > Thank you, > > John > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or > approve the archiving of list messages. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward > any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of > the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an > archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > > > -- > Asa Jay Laughton - sent from somewhere other than home > ****************************************************** > http://www.w7tsc.org > http://www.teampanteraracing.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > >

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'73 L on eBay in Whittier, CA
by Larry Finch 07 Sep '16

07 Sep '16

The auction description lists the car as having 16 inch front wheels and 17 inch rear wheels. One of the photos shows the tire to be a Pirelli P7. Larry Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.

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