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Blowout deal on Pirelli 345-35-15
by Charles McCall 02 Sep '16

02 Sep '16

Hi all Who needs rear tires? The Tire Rack is having a fantastic sale on 345-35-15's at the moment, that just keeps getting better. I have been actively shopping for rear tires for a few months now, and the best normal price I could find was over $700 per tire. A few months ago, The Tire Rack reduced prices on a batch manufactured in 2012, and was asking $590. A week ago, they slashed prices and are now asking $128 per tire. http://m.tirerack.com/tires/TireResultsServlet?zip-code=& width=345/&ratio=35&diameter=15&rearWidth=255/&rearRatio= 40&rearDiameter=17#0 As I said, it just keeps getting better as they offer a $60 rebate if you order 4. Keep in mind that these were made in 2012, and most manufactures recommend a shelf life of no more than 6 years. Except for Cooper Tire, which has gone on record as saying that if properly stored, 10 years is their recommendation. Europeans on the list - including shipping to my door in Spain, total cost was €212 per tire when I ordered 4. Note that their webpage isn't set up to accept international orders so you'll need to write to customer service. They were quite helpful working through the process, even if payment verification is a little tedious for being overseas. But it didn't hurt, and the price is simply fantastic. I know that tires have been ordered and are on their way to Sweden, Spain, and Canada, whilst tyres are being sent to England... Hope that this helps someone Hi all Who needs rear tires? The Tire Rack is having a fantastic sale on 345-35-15's at the moment, that just keeps getting better.A I have been actively shopping for rear tires for a few months now, and the best normal price I could find was over $700 per tire.A A few months ago, The Tire Rack reduced prices on a batch manufactured in 2012, and was asking $590.A A week ago, they slashed prices and are now asking $128 per tire.A [1]http://m.tirerack.com/tires/TireResultsServlet?zip-code=& width=345/&ratio=35&diameter=15&rearWidth=255/&rearRatio= 40&rearDiameter=17#0 As I said, it just keeps getting better as they offer a $60 rebate if you order 4.A Keep in mind that these were made in 2012, and most manufactures recommend a shelf life of no more than 6 years. Except for Cooper Tire, which has gone on record as saying that if properly stored, 10 years is their recommendation.A Europeans on the list - including shipping to my door in Spain, total cost was aNOT212 per tire when I ordered 4. Note that their webpage isn't set up to accept international orders so you'll need to write to customer service. They were quite helpful working through the process, even if payment verification is a little tedious for being overseas. But it didn't hurt, and the price is simply fantastic.A I know that tires have been ordered and are on their way to Sweden, Spain, and Canada, whilst tyres are being sent to England...A Hope that this helps someone References 1. http://m.tirerack.com/tires/TireResultsServlet?zip-code=&width=345/&ratio=3…

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Fwd: WTB, Jongbloed Race Wheel Parts for GT4 or GT5
by Mike Drew 02 Sep '16

02 Sep '16

Guys, Forwarded message from Dave Kanahale below.... Mike > From: davek <res0q9zn(a)verizon.net> > Date: September 1, 2016 at 10:59:22 PM PDT > To: mikeldrew(a)aol.com > Subject: Fwd: WTB, Jongbloed Race Wheel Parts for GT4 or GT5 > > Hi Mike, > > Nice seeing you in Monterey! > > Watching the IMSA race group from the 70's - 80's has given me a boost to get moving on my Group 5 "re-creation". > > I'm looking for wheel parts, and wondering if you might know of anyone with the old Jongbloed wheels? I tried to post the message below to the e-mail list, but got a message: "You are not allowed to post to this mailing list". So I'm circling to my next best contact for misc Pantera parts ;-) > > As I say below, I know this is a long shot, but there were several dedicated race Panteras that used to run these wheels in the early-mid 1980's. So thought I'd poll my sources there to start. > > Look forward to catching up again soon. > > Thanks, > Dave > > > -----Original Message----- > From: davek <res0q9zn(a)verizon.net> > To: detomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > Sent: Thu, Sep 1, 2016 10:46 pm > Subject: WTB, Jongbloed Race Wheel Parts for GT4 or GT5 > > Looking for rim-halves to work with "vintage" 18-bolt Jongbloed wheel centers. These are circa 1980. So I know this is a long-shot! > > Picture attached of what I currently have. Or link to the picture here - https://static.wixstatic.com/media/b90198_7577022620de40049a17989e4c5e3504~… > > I'm looking for either 15" diam outer barrels to fit GT4/GT5 and/or complete inner/outer sets of 16" diameter. > > Or may be interested in trading my complete Jongbloed wheels, 15x10s and 15x8s that fit stock, non-flared, Pantera for another set that fits a GT5. > > Thanks, > Dave > > > Guys, Forwarded message from Dave Kanahale below.... Mike From: davek <[1]res0q9zn(a)verizon.net> Date: September 1, 2016 at 10:59:22 PM PDT To: [2]mikeldrew(a)aol.com Subject: Fwd: WTB, Jongbloed Race Wheel Parts for GT4 or GT5 Hi Mike, Nice seeing you in Monterey! Watching the IMSA race group from the 70's - 80's has given me a boost to get moving on my Group 5 "re-creation". I'm looking for wheel parts, and wondering if you might know of anyone with the old Jongbloed wheels? I tried to post the message below to the e-mail list, but got a message: "You are not allowed to post to this mailing list". So I'm circling to my next best contact for misc Pantera parts ;-) As I say below, I know this is a long shot, but there were several dedicated race Panteras that used to run these wheels in the early-mid 1980's. So thought I'd poll my sources there to start. Look forward to catching up again soon. Thanks, Dave -----Original Message----- From: davek <[3]res0q9zn(a)verizon.net> To: detomaso <[4]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Thu, Sep 1, 2016 10:46 pm Subject: WTB, Jongbloed Race Wheel Parts for GT4 or GT5 Looking for rim-halves to work with "vintage" 18-bolt Jongbloed wheel centers. These are circa 1980. So I know this is a long-shot! Picture attached of what I currently have. Or link to the picture here - [5]https://static.wixstatic.com/media/b90198_7577022620de40049a17989e 4c5e3504~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_1523,h_604,al_c,q_90/b90198_7577022620de4004 9a17989e4c5e3504~mv2.jpg I'm looking for either 15" diam outer barrels to fit GT4/GT5 and/or complete inner/outer sets of 16" diameter. Or may be interested in trading my complete Jongbloed wheels, 15x10s and 15x8s that fit stock, non-flared, Pantera for another set that fits a GT5. Thanks, Dave [cid:8FB5943E-64B1-4ABA-8A4C-3718DFB364D5] References 1. mailto:res0q9zn@verizon.net 2. mailto:mikeldrew@aol.com 3. mailto:res0q9zn@verizon.net 4. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 5. https://static.wixstatic.com/media/b90198_7577022620de40049a17989e4c5e3504~…

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Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Test
by bill＠incendium.com 02 Sep '16

02 Sep '16

Rec'd here also CheersBill MooreCalgary -------- Original message --------From: Charles McCall <charlesmccall(a)gmail.com> Date: 2016-09-02 2:54 AM (GMT-07:00) To: Robert Gushue <rwgushue(a)gte.net> Cc: detomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Test You passed On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Robert Gushue <rwgushue(a)gte.net> wrote: > Test > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. > You passed On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Robert Gushue <[1]rwgushue(a)gte.net> wrote: A A Test _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [2]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com [3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:rwgushue@gte.net 2. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 3. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Rec'd here also Cheers Bill Moore Calgary -------- Original message -------- From: Charles McCall <charlesmccall(a)gmail.com> Date: 2016-09-02 2:54 AM (GMT-07:00) To: Robert Gushue <rwgushue(a)gte.net> Cc: detomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Test You passed On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Robert Gushue <rwgushue(a)gte.net> wrote: > Test > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. > You passed On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Robert Gushue <[1]rwgushue(a)gte.net> wrote: A A Test _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [2]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com [3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:rwgushue@gte.net 2. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 3. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

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NPC Test
by Robert Gushue 02 Sep '16

02 Sep '16

Test Test

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Fwd: Early engine question
by Mike Drew 02 Sep '16

02 Sep '16

Forwarded answer from Steve, who can't post himself.... Mike Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: > From: <steven.liebenow(a)att.net> > Date: September 1, 2016 at 10:57:46 PM PDT > To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew(a)aol.com>, DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > Subject: Re: Early engine question > Reply-To: <steven.liebenow(a)att.net> > > Mike, > Wow! Nice matching set of everything! Parts and tags! > > I'd move the tag to the engine..... detail thing..... Carefully flatten it out using a piece of nylon block to tap with.....or hardwood.....put it on similar spot as where you found it if possible. > > Dan had the details right re: squarebore and regular Autolite... > > You have a Feb of 71 engine, perhaps Feb 12th. K613J= M-code in VIN > > Carb is Torino-Mustang/Cougar Manual Trans with "M" engine code in VIN. The suffix on the carb "EA" will give details such as manual or auto trans in the Master Parts Catalog, and the number base part number D1OF indicates bodystyle that the part was originally intended... (O=Fairlane/Torino bodystyle Mustang/Cougar would be D1ZF) > > Carb tag has more info on bottom row, B=design change 1=71 D= April and 19=day, so April 19, 71 was day carb was built. > > In this case, it looks like carb was assembled a few months later than the engine.......possible I guess! Since these were warehouse engines.......could have more variance in dates than production line engines.......anyone's guess. > > What Ken has on his tag, is a D2ZF-AA which is for a "351CJ" in 72. His tag -AA tells us that it is for F-code cars (Mustang/Cougar) with Manual Trans EXCEPT CA! His tag looks to have been made in December of 1971 by the 1 and M in the lower row, which would be proper for a 72 car....(which started production back in August to Sept for new car sales! > > There were D1ZF carbs in 71, but they were the Boss carbs in Mustangs. > > The Motorcraft name replaces Autolite somewhere in late 71, so you could see either name on a mid 71-ish production piece. Late 70 and early 71 would tend to see more Autolite bits, and later 71 the Motorcraft name would start appearing. It's a Ford thing..... > > Now ya knows! > Steve > > > > > From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew(a)aol.com> > To: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > Cc: steven.liebenow(a)att.net > Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2016 5:45 PM > Subject: Early engine question > > Guys, > > Doing a garage cleanup and stumbled across Lori's original 1971 Pantera intake and carb. > > I always believed that Panteras came with spread-bore intakes and Autolite 4300D carbs. But this intake is a square bore with matching Autolite square bird carb. > > Carb photo: > > > > Carb ID tag: > > > > > Engine ID tag on intake: > > > > > Intake casting number: > > > > > So what do you smart people think of this? Steve? > > Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > Forwarded answer from Steve, who can't post himself.... Mike Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: From: <[1]steven.liebenow(a)att.net> Date: September 1, 2016 at 10:57:46 PM PDT To: Mike Drew <[2]MikeLDrew(a)aol.com>, DeTomaso Mail List <[3]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: Early engine question Reply-To: <[4]steven.liebenow(a)att.net> Mike, Wow! Nice matching set of everything! Parts and tags! I'd move the tag to the engine..... detail thing..... Carefully flatten it out using a piece of nylon block to tap with.....or hardwood.....put it on similar spot as where you found it if possible. Dan had the details right re: squarebore and regular Autolite... You have a Feb of 71 engine, perhaps Feb 12th. K613J= M-code in VIN Carb is Torino-Mustang/Cougar Manual Trans with "M" engine code in VIN. The suffix on the carb "EA" will give details such as manual or auto trans in the Master Parts Catalog, and the number base part number D1OF indicates bodystyle that the part was originally intended... (O=Fairlane/Torino bodystyle Mustang/Cougar would be D1ZF) Carb tag has more info on bottom row, B=design change 1=71 D= April and 19=day, so April 19, 71 was day carb was built. In this case, it looks like carb was assembled a few months later than the engine.......possible I guess! Since these were warehouse engines.......could have more variance in dates than production line engines.......anyone's guess. What Ken has on his tag, is a D2ZF-AA which is for a "351CJ" in 72. His tag -AA tells us that it is for F-code cars (Mustang/Cougar) with Manual Trans EXCEPT CA! His tag looks to have been made in December of 1971 by the 1 and M in the lower row, which would be proper for a 72 car....(which started production back in August to Sept for new car sales! There were D1ZF carbs in 71, but they were the Boss carbs in Mustangs. The Motorcraft name replaces Autolite somewhere in late 71, so you could see either name on a mid 71-ish production piece. Late 70 and early 71 would tend to see more Autolite bits, and later 71 the Motorcraft name would start appearing. It's a Ford thing..... Now ya knows! Steve __________________________________________________________________ From: Mike Drew <[5]MikeLDrew(a)aol.com> To: DeTomaso Mail List <[6]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Cc: [7]steven.liebenow(a)att.net Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2016 5:45 PM Subject: Early engine question Guys, Doing a garage cleanup and stumbled across Lori's original 1971 Pantera intake and carb. I always believed that Panteras came with spread-bore intakes and Autolite 4300D carbs. But this intake is a square bore with matching Autolite square bird carb. Carb photo: Carb ID tag: Engine ID tag on intake: Intake casting number: So what do you smart people think of this? Steve? Mike Sent from my iPhone References 1. mailto:steven.liebenow@att.net 2. mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com 3. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 4. mailto:steven.liebenow@att.net 5. mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com 6. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 7. mailto:steven.liebenow@att.net

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Plug gap
by Mike Thomas 02 Sep '16

02 Sep '16

What's the proper gap for the plugs. Have Autolite 25 copper Thanks Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest Yellow '74 #6328

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Early engine question
by Mike Drew 02 Sep '16

02 Sep '16

Guys, Doing a garage cleanup and stumbled across Lori's original 1971 Pantera intake and carb. I always believed that Panteras came with spread-bore intakes and Autolite 4300D carbs. But this intake is a square bore with matching Autolite square bird carb. Carb photo: Carb ID tag: Engine ID tag on intake: Intake casting number: So what do you smart people think of this? Steve? Mike Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Pressure Gauge
by MikeLDrew＠aol.com 02 Sep '16

02 Sep '16

In a message dated 8/31/16 17 26 15, mbefthomas(a)comcast.net writes: > I'm trying to figure out why I'm getting a pegged reading on my oil > pressure > gauge. It will show normal pressure as the car starts, but soon after > pegs > to the right and stays there. Everything runs fine otherwise. I've > swapped > out the pressure sender, NAPA OP6091, and it's still pegging, so I'm > suspecting the gauge. Anything else I could check? > >>>Calling Bill Taylor! That is, assuming it's an electrical. You can't make that assumption though. I *think* I may have stumbled across something. Doing some primitive Google research, I confirmed what I thought I knew, which is that the oil pressure gauge works by taking 12V power in, which runs across the gauge, then out to the sender unit, which is a variable ground. The reading given by the gauge depends on the resistance of the sensor unit; this in turn is determined by the engine's oil pressure. Extremely high readings after a cold start, if they are accurate, mean the pressure relief valve near the pump and filter has probably stuck. The engine should be switched off or the oil filter could burst. I have a mechanical oil pressure gauge which threads into the hole normally occupied by the electric sender. It is used to 'sanity check' the readings on the gauge. It's the first troubleshooting tool; if the mechanical gauge reads high, you have an engine (or at least oil filter) problem. If it reads normally, you have an electrical problem. I could mail it to you tomorrow and you would have it by the weekend? Let me know if you would like to try it out. Mike In a message dated 8/31/16 17 26 15, mbefthomas(a)comcast.net writes: I'm trying to figure out why I'm getting a pegged reading on my oil pressure gauge. It will show normal pressure as the car starts, but soon after pegs to the right and stays there. Everything runs fine otherwise. I've swapped out the pressure sender, NAPA OP6091, and it's still pegging, so I'm suspecting the gauge. Anything else I could check? >>>Calling Bill Taylor! That is, assuming it's an electrical. You can't make that assumption though. I *think* I may have stumbled across something. Doing some primitive Google research, I confirmed what I thought I knew, which is that the oil pressure gauge works by taking 12V power in, which runs across the gauge, then out to the sender unit, which is a variable ground. The reading given by the gauge depends on the resistance of the sensor unit; this in turn is determined by the engine's oil pressure. Extremely high readings after a cold start, if they are accurate, mean the pressure relief valve near the pump and filter has probably stuck. The engine should be switched off or the oil filter could burst. I have a mechanical oil pressure gauge which threads into the hole normally occupied by the electric sender. It is used to 'sanity check' the readings on the gauge. It's the first troubleshooting tool; if the mechanical gauge reads high, you have an engine (or at least oil filter) problem. If it reads normally, you have an electrical problem. I could mail it to you tomorrow and you would have it by the weekend? Let me know if you would like to try it out. Mike

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Oil Pressure Gauge
by Mike Thomas 02 Sep '16

02 Sep '16

I'm trying to figure out why I'm getting a pegged reading on my oil pressure gauge. It will show normal pressure as the car starts, but soon after pegs to the right and stays there. Everything runs fine otherwise. I've swapped out the pressure sender, NAPA OP6091, and it's still pegging, so I'm suspecting the gauge. Anything else I could check? Thanks Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest Yellow '74 #6328

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rotors
by Mike 01 Sep '16

01 Sep '16

After some time in researching what rotors i could use I finally used 84 Corvette rotors and had the studs re-aligned for the Pantera and never had any problems. I can look to see what part numbers i used if anyone is interested thanks Mike V Need an Home Inspection with Thermal Imaging/Infrared Technology/Mold Testing We also do Termite Inspections (+ repairs) & Pest Control Buying a foreclosure property ? CALL US 1st "LET US SEE WHATS LURKING IN YOUR WALLS" 805-522-1054 http://commercial-homeinfraredinspections.com/ After some time in researching what rotors i could use I finally used 84 Corvette rotors and had the studs re-aligned for the Pantera and never had any problems. I can look to see what part numbers i used if anyone is interested thanks Mike V Need an Home Inspection with Thermal Imaging/Infrared Technology/Mold Testing We also do Termite Inspections (+ repairs) & Pest Control Buying a foreclosure property ? CALL US 1st "LET US SEE WHATS LURKING IN YOUR WALLS" 805-522-1054 [1]http://commercial-homeinfraredinspections.com/ References 1. http://commercial-homeinfraredinspections.com/

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