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by Dave 23 May '16

23 May '16

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Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side?
by Tomas Gunnarsson 23 May '16

23 May '16

Sorry for giving you a headache Asa Jay! :-) It's actually as simple as (cross section area) multiplied by (force per area unit). Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Asa Jay Laughton [asajay(a)asajay.com] Sent: 22/5/2016 10:41:34 PM To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? Tomas, Please take the following comment as a deep respect for your depth of knowledge as I have never professed to be a learned engineer. Dang man you can make my head hurt. ;) I truly admire the smart folks we have out there. Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** [1]http://w7tsc.org [2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com On 5/22/2016 7:28 AM, Tomas Gunnarsson wrote: An M6 screw has a core diameter of 5 mm. A 5 mm dia rod has an area of 19.6 mm2. An ordinare 8.8 grade screw has a yield strength of 640 N/mm2 and a tensile strength of 800 N/mm2. 19.6 x 640 N is 12544 N whis is a little less than what a Pantera would require to be lifted in all. 19.6 x 800 is 15680 N which is enough with a margin. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Larry Weston [[3]lplugw(a)hotmail.com] Sent: 22/5/2016 2:15:10 AM To: [4]guson(a)home.se Cc: [5]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? Ok. Not sure about the physics of all of it, but if that's the case, there are four of them. Sent from my iPhone On May 21, 2016, at 5:14 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson <[6]guson(a)home.se[7]<mailto:guson@home.se>> wrote: A single six mm diameter screw itself is just about able to lift the weight of the car. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Larry Weston [[8]lplugw(a)hotmail.com[9]<mailto:lplugw@hotmail.com>] Sent: 20/5/2016 10:49:42 PM To: [10]julian_kift(a)hotmail.com[11]<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com> Cc: [12]MikeLDrew(a)aol.com[13]<mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com>;detomaso@detomasolis t.com [14]<m ailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? That being said, I have sometimes wondered about the faith we put in that 1/8" thick bearing retainer plate we secure with four six mm diameter flathead screws. That seems like a weak link. Best not to think about it to much I decided. Sent from my iPhone > On May 20, 2016, at 4:38 PM, Julian Kift <[15]julian_kift(a)hotmail.com[16]<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> wrote: > > The axle nut is on there at 450 ft/lb but it is only keeping the axle tight in the inner race of the wheel bearings, rotational freedom being within the bearings and even though you are braking hard the axle is still rotating in a forward direction, plus the axle inner flange/half shaft is splined to the axle shaft and most of us do let of the gas when we brake! > > Julian > ________________________________________ > From: marshall smith <[17]marshallgsmith(a)sbcglobal.net[18]<mailto:marshallgsmith@sbcglobal.ne t>> > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 1:16 PM > To: Douglas Kelm; 'Mike Drew'; [19]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com[20]<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>; Julian Kift > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? > > Okay...really dumb question here. Wouldn't hard braking want to loosen the axle nut?? > > M > -------------------------------------------- > On Fri, 5/20/16, Julian Kift <[21]julian_kift(a)hotmail.com[22]<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> wrote: > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? > To: "Douglas Kelm" <[23]dakelm(a)qwest.net[24]<mailto:dakelm@qwest.net>>, "'Mike Drew'" <[25]MikeLDrew(a)aol.com[26]<mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com>>, "[27]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com[28]<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>" <[29]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com[30]<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>> > Date: Friday, May 20, 2016, 1:12 PM > > Doug, > > Remember the axle nut is on the inside of the > wheel in this case, if it were RH then the counter clockwise > motion of the axle would want to undo it! > > Julian > > ________________________________________ > From: DeTomaso <[31]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com[32]<mailto:detomaso-bounce s@ser ve r.detomasolist.com>> > on behalf of Douglas Kelm <[33]dakelm(a)qwest.net[34]<mailto:dakelm@qwest.net >> > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 12:52 PM > To: 'Mike Drew'; [35]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com[36]<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which > side? > > I would think that > the "righty tighty" threads (normal) go on the > left side > of the vehicle. Think of the nut > being stationary while the axle (on the > drivers side) rotates counter clockwise > (looking from outside the car), > meaning the > nut wants to self tighten (rotate clockwise), which is > the > desired situation. Of course, > there's a 50/50 chance that I'm completely > full of "it"! > > Doug > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [[37]mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] > On Behalf > Of Mike Drew via DeTomaso > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 12:34 PM > To: [38]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com[39]<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which > side? > > Hi guys, > > I thought I would lead off > with he first technical question on the new > forum. > > The > rear axles are marked S and D, for 'left' and > 'right' respectively. But > that > speaks to the thread direction (one of them is reverse > thread, left to > tighten) > > It's my belief that the S or left-tighten > axle goes on the left side of the > car but I > can't remember for sure. Can somebody confirm or > deny? > > Thanks! > > And welcome back! > > Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER > Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 > Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [40]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com[41]<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomaso list. co m> > [42]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription > (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER > Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not > exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing > list > [43]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com[44]<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomaso list. co m> > [45]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription > (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links > above. > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER > Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not > exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing > list > [46]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com[47]<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomaso list. co m> > [48]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription > (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links > above. > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [49]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com[50]<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomaso list. co m> > [51]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [52]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com[53]<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomaso list. co m> [54]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [55]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com [56]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the li nks above. ----- No virus found in this message. 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Sorry for giving you a headache Asa Jay! :-) It's actually as simple as (cross section area) multiplied by (force per area unit). Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Asa Jay Laughton [asajay(a)asajay.com] Sent: 22/5/2016 10:41:34 PM To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? Tomas, Please take the following comment as a deep respect for your depth of knowledge as I have never professed to be a learned engineer. Dang man you can make my head hurt. ;) I truly admire the smart folks we have out there. Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** [1]http://w7tsc.org [2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com On 5/22/2016 7:28 AM, Tomas Gunnarsson wrote: An M6 screw has a core diameter of 5 mm. A 5 mm dia rod has an area of 19.6 mm2. An ordinare 8.8 grade screw has a yield strength of 640 N/mm2 and a tensile strength of 800 N/mm2. 19.6 x 640 N is 12544 N whis is a little less than what a Pantera would require to be lifted in all. 19.6 x 800 is 15680 N which is enough with a margin. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Larry Weston [[3]lplugw(a)hotmail.com] Sent: 22/5/2016 2:15:10 AM To: [4]guson(a)home.se Cc: [5]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? Ok. Not sure about the physics of all of it, but if that's the case, there are four of them. Sent from my iPhone On May 21, 2016, at 5:14 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson <[6]guson(a)home.se[7]<mailto:guson@home.se>> wrote: A single six mm diameter screw itself is just about able to lift the weight of the car. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Larry Weston [[8]lplugw(a)hotmail.com[9]<mailto:lplugw@hotmail.com>] Sent: 20/5/2016 10:49:42 PM To: [10]julian_kift(a)hotmail.com[11]<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com> Cc: [12]MikeLDrew(a)aol.com[13]<mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com>;detomaso@detomasoli st.com [14]<m ailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? That being said, I have sometimes wondered about the faith we put in that 1/8" thick bearing retainer plate we secure with four six mm diameter flathead screws. That seems like a weak link. Best not to think about it to much I decided. Sent from my iPhone > On May 20, 2016, at 4:38 PM, Julian Kift <[15]julian_kift(a)hotmail.com[16]<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> wrote: > > The axle nut is on there at 450 ft/lb but it is only keeping the axle tight in the inner race of the wheel bearings, rotational freedom being within the bearings and even though you are braking hard the axle is still rotating in a forward direction, plus the axle inner flange/half shaft is splined to the axle shaft and most of us do let of the gas when we brake! > > Julian > ________________________________________ > From: marshall smith <[17]marshallgsmith(a)sbcglobal.net[18]<mailto:marshallgsmith@sbcglobal.n et>> > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 1:16 PM > To: Douglas Kelm; 'Mike Drew'; [19]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com[20]<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>; Julian Kift > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? > > Okay...really dumb question here. Wouldn't hard braking want to loosen the axle nut?? > > M > -------------------------------------------- > On Fri, 5/20/16, Julian Kift <[21]julian_kift(a)hotmail.com[22]<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> wrote: > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? > To: "Douglas Kelm" <[23]dakelm(a)qwest.net[24]<mailto:dakelm@qwest.net>>, "'Mike Drew'" <[25]MikeLDrew(a)aol.com[26]<mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com>>, "[27]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com[28]<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>" <[29]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com[30]<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>> > Date: Friday, May 20, 2016, 1:12 PM > > Doug, > > Remember the axle nut is on the inside of the > wheel in this case, if it were RH then the counter clockwise > motion of the axle would want to undo it! > > Julian > > ________________________________________ > From: DeTomaso <[31]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com[32]<mailto:detomaso-bounc es@ser ve r.detomasolist.com>> > on behalf of Douglas Kelm <[33]dakelm(a)qwest.net[34]<mailto:dakelm@qwest.net >> > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 12:52 PM > To: 'Mike Drew'; [35]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com[36]<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which > side? > > I would think that > the "righty tighty" threads (normal) go on the > left side > of the vehicle. Think of the nut > being stationary while the axle (on the > drivers side) rotates counter clockwise > (looking from outside the car), > meaning the > nut wants to self tighten (rotate clockwise), which is > the > desired situation. Of course, > there's a 50/50 chance that I'm completely > full of "it"! > > Doug > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [[37]mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] > On Behalf > Of Mike Drew via DeTomaso > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 12:34 PM > To: [38]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com[39]<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which > side? > > Hi guys, > > I thought I would lead off > with he first technical question on the new > forum. > > The > rear axles are marked S and D, for 'left' and > 'right' respectively. But > that > speaks to the thread direction (one of them is reverse > thread, left to > tighten) > > It's my belief that the S or left-tighten > axle goes on the left side of the > car but I > can't remember for sure. 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Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Interesting Rally Racer Story
by Charles Engles 23 May '16

23 May '16

Dear My Cars, God Bless the Ladies. What good fortune. Well done, sir. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of MyCars Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 12:05 AM To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC - Interesting Rally Racer Story So I am working along the road of my farm earlier today with my new excavator that was just delivered to me today. Keep in mind that this is a private road out in the middle of nowhere. A couple of older ladies (one of them was 91) pass by & we all wave at each other. A little later on as they come back to leave, they stop to ask about some of my neighbors. We end up talking about my farm, my family and to drop by to visit when our house is finished being built. It ends up that she used to live at the end of the road and that her son is a famous rally car driver. She asks me if I have ever heard of Ken Block, her son! Have I? Subaru in the snow, Ford at an airport, Ford in LA, Ford in Egypt (she corrects me ... Dubai) She enjoyed talking to me so much that she gets out of her car & says she has a little present for me. From the back seat she pulls out a hardcover book called "Blast" that is autographed by Ken Block & hands that to me. I am in awe, meeting interesting people out in the middle of nowhere... & now I really hope that she comes back sometime with her son in tow, maybe I'll even get the drifting ride of my life! _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above.

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NPC - Interesting Rally Racer Story
by MyCars 23 May '16

23 May '16

So I am working along the road of my farm earlier today with my new excavator that was just delivered to me today. Keep in mind that this is a private road out in the middle of nowhere. A couple of older ladies (one of them was 91) pass by & we all wave at each other. A little later on as they come back to leave, they stop to ask about some of my neighbors. We end up talking about my farm, my family and to drop by to visit when our house is finished being built. It ends up that she used to live at the end of the road and that her son is a famous rally car driver. She asks me if I have ever heard of Ken Block, her son! Have I? Subaru in the snow, Ford at an airport, Ford in LA, Ford in Egypt (she corrects me ... Dubai) She enjoyed talking to me so much that she gets out of her car & says she has a little present for me. From the back seat she pulls out a hardcover book called "Blast" that is autographed by Ken Block & hands that to me. I am in awe, meeting interesting people out in the middle of nowhere... & now I really hope that she comes back sometime with her son in tow, maybe I'll even get the drifting ride of my life!

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Fwd: Re: State of POCA address
by marshallgsmith 23 May '16

23 May '16

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: marshallgsmith <marshallgsmith(a)sbcglobal.net> Date: 05/22/2016 7:46 PM (GMT-08:00) To: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf(a)embarqmail.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address Hey Joe, Unfortunately your renewal comes at a time when we have recently elected a new president to the Pantera Owners Club of America. This man promises to bring POCA into the 21st century, an issue that is very badly needed, with a new website, multiple Fun Rallys, more transparency with club finances and decision-making and many other improvements to an aging and stubbornboard of directors. This man has a good track record and impressive credentials and leads many of us to believe he can and will do what he says. Unfortunately, he has the polish and manners of Donald Trump and that has rubbed many the wrong way. One new issue pertains exactly to your email which is an attempt to relocate the criticism and sourness so rampant on this forum by members instrumental in the growth and health of POCA to another area where new and returning members aren't so badly jaded by what they read on this forum. As a member of this organization for longer than 30 years, I will tell you there is no better source of information on the car nor a better group of friends that you will meet than in POCA. If you own a De Tomaso, you simply must be a member of POCA as the help and information you will receive from its members is endless. I would ask you at this time to renew and enjoy your membership. I would also ask that you don't get caught up or damaged by these growing pains that our organization is experiencing at this time. It WILL be resolved in the near future and will leave POCA stronger than ever. I hope that you stay with us Joe. If there is anything that you need or information that would be helpful to you, please don't hesitate to plug into this forum or email me personally.Collectively, we are a wealth of knowledge that will make your DeTomaso ownership much easier and richer! Marshall Smith President, San Diego Panteras Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: marshallgsmith <marshallgsmith(a)sbcglobal.net> Date: 05/22/2016 7:46 PM (GMT-08:00) To: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf(a)embarqmail.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address Hey Joe, Unfortunately your renewal comes at a time when we have recently elected a new president to the Pantera Owners Club of America. This man promises to bring POCA into the 21st century, an issue that is very badly needed, with a new website, multiple Fun Rallys, more transparency with club finances and decision-making and many other improvements to an aging and stubborn board of directors. This man has a good track record and impressive credentials and leads many of us to believe he can and will do what he says. Unfortunately, he has the polish and manners of Donald Trump and that has rubbed many the wrong way. One new issue pertains exactly to your email which is an attempt to relocate the criticism and sourness so rampant on this forum by members instrumental in the growth and health of POCA to another area where new and returning members aren't so badly jaded by what they read on this forum. As a member of this organization for longer than 30 years, I will tell you there is no better source of information on the car nor a better group of friends that you will meet than in POCA. If you own a De Tomaso, you simply must be a member of POCA as the help and information you will receive from its members is endless. I would ask you at this time to renew and enjoy your membership. I would also ask that you don't get caught up or damaged by these growing pains that our organization is experiencing at this time. It WILL be resolved in the near future and will leave POCA stronger than ever. I hope that you stay with us Joe. If there is anything that you need or information that would be helpful to you, please don't hesitate to plug into this forum or email me personally. Collectively, we are a wealth of knowledge that will make your DeTomaso ownership much easier and richer! Marshall Smith President, San Diego Panteras Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone

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Re: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address
by marshallgsmith 23 May '16

23 May '16

Great point Rob!!! Whenever I have people trying to change my mind on how I think on a particular issue, I automatically become weary. The hundred or so past emails seem to do nothing but try to change people's minds. We all have different opinions. State them and move on. It's our duty to support our club and its board. If you don't like the way things are, run for office. But whatever you do, do it with civility! Marshall Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: B Hower via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Date: 05/22/2016 11:12 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Rob Dumoulin <rob(a)dumoulins.net>, Kurt Byrnes <kdb(a)kbyrnes.com> Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address Good point. Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) From: Rob Dumoulin <rob(a)dumoulins.net> To: Kurt Byrnes <kdb(a)kbyrnes.com> Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address All,A with Kurt's comments summing up the state of affairs nicely, can we all just please make these discussions be about the cars and light-hearted humor.A Leave the politics and attacks for direct private emails and let's move on. Possibly the best outcome here is a show of civility. That itself would speak volumes and serve in all our interests.............or, you could just tell me to piss off :) Rob On May 22, 2016 1:32 PM, "Kurt Byrnes" <[1]kdb(a)kbyrnes.com> wrote: A A Excellent point Sean.A Please keep things in prospective and remember A A many services potentially crawl the list and archives so anything you A A write, any person you disparage, etc. are potentially saved for the A A world to see and google. A A I'm CERTAIN the POCA BOD is doing what it thinks is best for the club. A A There are many valid changes they're trying to institute.A You or I may A A agree or disagree with the changes and approach but PLEASE don't write A A something naming specific people that you wouldn't want written about A A yourself.A It's just a car club. A A Kurt A A On 5/22/2016 1:15 PM, Sean Korb wrote: A A Just a reminder, the email archives are public.A AA I learned 30 years A A ago that local politics were not my thing except to occasionally hold A A my nose and vote, plus a little well placed snark :)A AA I adore this A A list though so I'm not exactly pulling out a bucket of popcorn to A A watch.AA Be sure not to be exclusive.AA That is the real strength of A A this community. A A sean A A On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Julian Kift A A [1]<[1][2]julian_kift(a)hotmail.com> wrote: A A A Well if you only send it to the people you know will provide a A A A favorable response then the statistic become very useful as a A A A mandate to continue ;-) A A A ________________________________________ A A A From: DeTomaso [2]<[2][3]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on A A A behalf of Mike Thomas [3]<[3][4]mbefthomas(a)comcast.net> A A A Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 9:41 AM A A A To: 'Forest Goodhart'; [[4]4][5]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address A A Odd, seems I was not either.AA Michael? A A Mike Thomas A A Pres., Panteras Northwest A A Yellow a74 #6328 A A -----Original Message----- A A From: DeTomaso [mailto:[[5]5][6]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On A A Behalf Of Forest Goodhart A A Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 4:46 PM A A To: [[6]6][7]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com A A Subject: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address A A OK, I've now gotten several copies of the state address. No need to A A send me any more. Just wonder why I was not on the distribution list A A from POCA. Forest A A _______________________________________________ A A Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA A A Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes A A DeTomaso mailing list A A [[7]7][8]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com A A [8][8][9]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso A A To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) A A use the links above. 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[18]mailto:[19]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com A A 7. [19]mailto:[20]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com A A 8. [20][21]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso A A 9. [21]mailto:[22]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com A 10. [22][23]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso A 11. [23]mailto:[24]spkorb@spkorb.org A 12. [24][25]http://www.spkorb.org/ _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [25][26]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com [26][27]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the li nks above. 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Good point. Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) __________________________________________________________________ From: Rob Dumoulin <rob(a)dumoulins.net> To: Kurt Byrnes <kdb(a)kbyrnes.com> Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address All,A with Kurt's comments summing up the state of affairs nicely, can we all just please make these discussions be about the cars and light-hearted humor.A Leave the politics and attacks for direct private emails and let's move on. Possibly the best outcome here is a show of civility. That itself would speak volumes and serve in all our interests.............or, you could just tell me to piss off :) Rob On May 22, 2016 1:32 PM, "Kurt Byrnes" <[1][1]kdb(a)kbyrnes.com> wrote: A A Excellent point Sean.A Please keep things in prospective and remember A A many services potentially crawl the list and archives so anything you A A write, any person you disparage, etc. are potentially saved for the A A world to see and google. A A I'm CERTAIN the POCA BOD is doing what it thinks is best for the club. A A There are many valid changes they're trying to institute.A You or I may A A agree or disagree with the changes and approach but PLEASE don't write A A something naming specific people that you wouldn't want written about A A yourself.A It's just a car club. A A Kurt A A On 5/22/2016 1:15 PM, Sean Korb wrote: A A Just a reminder, the email archives are public.A AA I learned 30 years A A ago that local politics were not my thing except to occasionally hold A A my nose and vote, plus a little well placed snark :)A AA I adore this A A list though so I'm not exactly pulling out a bucket of popcorn to A A watch.AA Be sure not to be exclusive.AA That is the real strength of A A this community. A A sean A A On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Julian Kift A A [1]<[1][2][2]julian_kift(a)hotmail.com> wrote: A A A Well if you only send it to the people you know will provide a A A A favorable response then the statistic become very useful as a A A A mandate to continue ;-) A A A ________________________________________ A A A From: DeTomaso [2]<[2][3][3]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on A A A behalf of Mike Thomas [3]<[3][4][4]mbefthomas(a)comcast.net> A A A Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 9:41 AM A A A To: 'Forest Goodhart'; [[4]4][5][5]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address A A Odd, seems I was not either.AA Michael? A A Mike Thomas A A Pres., Panteras Northwest A A Yellow a74 #6328 A A -----Original Message----- A A From: DeTomaso [mailto:[[5]5][6][6]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On A A Behalf Of Forest Goodhart A A Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 4:46 PM A A To: [[6]6][7][7]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com A A Subject: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address A A OK, I've now gotten several copies of the state address. No need to A A send me any more. Just wonder why I was not on the distribution list A A from POCA. Forest A A _______________________________________________ A A Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA A A Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes A A DeTomaso mailing list A A [[7]7][8][8]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com A A [8][8][9][9]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso A A To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) A A use the links above. 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Great point Rob!!! Whenever I have people trying to change my mind on how I think on a particular issue, I automatically become weary. The hundred or so past emails seem to do nothing but try to change people's minds. We all have different opinions. State them and move on. It's our duty to support our club and its board. If you don't like the way things are, run for office. But whatever you do, do it with civility! Marshall Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: B Hower via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Date: 05/22/2016 11:12 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Rob Dumoulin <rob(a)dumoulins.net>, Kurt Byrnes <kdb(a)kbyrnes.com> Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address Good point. Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) From: Rob Dumoulin <rob(a)dumoulins.net> To: Kurt Byrnes <kdb(a)kbyrnes.com> Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address All,A with Kurt's comments summing up the state of affairs nicely, can we all just please make these discussions be about the cars and light-hearted humor.A Leave the politics and attacks for direct private emails and let's move on. Possibly the best outcome here is a show of civility. That itself would speak volumes and serve in all our interests.............or, you could just tell me to piss off :) Rob On May 22, 2016 1:32 PM, "Kurt Byrnes" <[1]kdb(a)kbyrnes.com> wrote: A A Excellent point Sean.A Please keep things in prospective and remember A A many services potentially crawl the list and archives so anything you A A write, any person you disparage, etc. are potentially saved for the A A world to see and google. A A I'm CERTAIN the POCA BOD is doing what it thinks is best for the club. A A There are many valid changes they're trying to institute.A You or I may A A agree or disagree with the changes and approach but PLEASE don't write A A something naming specific people that you wouldn't want written about A A yourself.A It's just a car club. A A Kurt A A On 5/22/2016 1:15 PM, Sean Korb wrote: A A Just a reminder, the email archives are public.A AA I learned 30 years A A ago that local politics were not my thing except to occasionally hold A A my nose and vote, plus a little well placed snark :)A AA I adore this A A list though so I'm not exactly pulling out a bucket of popcorn to A A watch.AA Be sure not to be exclusive.AA That is the real strength of A A this community. 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Good point. Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) __________________________________________________________________ From: Rob Dumoulin <rob(a)dumoulins.net> To: Kurt Byrnes <kdb(a)kbyrnes.com> Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address All,A with Kurt's comments summing up the state of affairs nicely, can we all just please make these discussions be about the cars and light-hearted humor.A Leave the politics and attacks for direct private emails and let's move on. Possibly the best outcome here is a show of civility. That itself would speak volumes and serve in all our interests.............or, you could just tell me to piss off :) Rob On May 22, 2016 1:32 PM, "Kurt Byrnes" <[1][1]kdb(a)kbyrnes.com> wrote: A A Excellent point Sean.A Please keep things in prospective and remember A A many services potentially crawl the list and archives so anything you A A write, any person you disparage, etc. are potentially saved for the A A world to see and google. A A I'm CERTAIN the POCA BOD is doing what it thinks is best for the club. A A There are many valid changes they're trying to institute.A You or I may A A agree or disagree with the changes and approach but PLEASE don't write A A something naming specific people that you wouldn't want written about A A yourself.A It's just a car club. A A Kurt A A On 5/22/2016 1:15 PM, Sean Korb wrote: A A Just a reminder, the email archives are public.A AA I learned 30 years A A ago that local politics were not my thing except to occasionally hold A A my nose and vote, plus a little well placed snark :)A AA I adore this A A list though so I'm not exactly pulling out a bucket of popcorn to A A watch.AA Be sure not to be exclusive.AA That is the real strength of A A this community. A A sean A A On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Julian Kift A A [1]<[1][2][2]julian_kift(a)hotmail.com> wrote: A A A Well if you only send it to the people you know will provide a A A A favorable response then the statistic become very useful as a A A A mandate to continue ;-) A A A ________________________________________ A A A From: DeTomaso [2]<[2][3][3]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on A A A behalf of Mike Thomas [3]<[3][4][4]mbefthomas(a)comcast.net> A A A Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 9:41 AM A A A To: 'Forest Goodhart'; [[4]4][5][5]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address A A Odd, seems I was not either.AA Michael? 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Drive Your Pantera Day
by scottcouchman＠yahoo.com 23 May '16

23 May '16

I suggest we have a Drive Your Pantera Day! Saturday was national 'Drive Your Woodie Day', but I was out driving my Pantera Saturday, so I drove my Woodie today. Our Pantera drive was awesome! Team Pantera OC organized a drive to Fallbrook, CA to visit Dave and Linda Adler and enjoy their three deTomaso cars. Along the way, we drove through the Inland Empire and San Diego and picked up POCA members and cars along the way. We were 34 strong at the Adler's and again at lunch afterward. It made me think, POCA needs a 'Drive Your Pantera Day!' The Woodie owners submit photos to our National magazine "Woodie Times" that includes their car and where they visited, and us Pantera drivers could submit them to Profiles! Here's a collection of photos from our Pantera Day! Hope you enjoy! (Actually, hope the photo goes through). Ask and I will forward the photo to you if it got axed. :-)

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Email address for Dave Hall
by Charles Engles 22 May '16

22 May '16

Dear Forum, Does anyone have the email address for Dave Hall from Colorado with the Lime Green highly modified Pantera? Warmest regards, Chuck Engles Dear Forum, Does anyone have the email address for Dave Hall from Colorado with the Lime Green highly modified Pantera? Warmest regards, Chuck Engles

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FW: FW: We want your opinion/surveymonkey
by Michael Haney 22 May '16

22 May '16

Will posted a link to the survey (whether purposely or accidentally I don't know). The link is at the very bottom of this post. It says that the link is unique, but I was able to use it yesterday morning. I hope that I didn't take somebody else's survey. Mike Haney -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Will Kooiman Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 6:34 AM To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] FW: We want your opinion Hi Guys, I started to fill out the POCA Direction Survey, but I can¹t. Some of the questions are fine, and need to be asked. But some are designed to support one viewpoint over another. For example: 1. I fully support the direction the club is headed in under the new President and the progressive BOD members who support moving the club forward. O Absolutely, the change was long over due. I can already see the difference. O Not at all, please stop improving things and leave it alone. The responses can be interpreted thusly: A. Rock on, you are awesome, and everyone else is an idiot. B. I¹m stupid, and I like it that way. Seriously? How about? C. I support the direction the club is headed, but the President is alienating too many members and needs to tone down his message. D. Why not have a free form text field and let the members write what they want? It¹s not like we have billions of members and can¹t sort through their responses. Will. From: <survey-noreply(a)smo.surveymonkey.com> on behalf of "pr(a)poca.com via surveymonkey.com" <member(a)surveymonkey.com> Reply-To: <pr(a)poca.com> Date: Friday, May 20, 2016 at 10:34 PM To: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman(a)gmail.com> Subject: We want your opinion POCA Direction Survey We're conducting a survey and your input would be appreciated. Click the button below to start the survey. Thank you for your participation! Begin Survey <https://surveymonkey.com/tr/v1/te/akU_2BQc2vAhAsa_2B264x1g6_2FpF_2Fhy3Ehxbp xJDHYpYZT3PErDK_2Bf6OjNYOPsqZdKwgInteeMkVSUAbvSGE_2F9k4wcaurKVB2hLP6e4ZrmlfN MDZtHZY8Si0fLp07Cm4fv_2BkevZT56cxh09FovYtok_2FHua1lDPaQLgwDmuBJyv_2FxhrQOrwD s1AgxAoDh39Gk2O_2BWWcSd7_2B6dqGpstRMR8CJ_2BWQ_3D_3D> Please do not forward this email as its survey link is unique to you. Opt out <https://www.surveymonkey.com/optout.aspx?sm=jfPHmMKjbHPu96sriQi6hg_3D_3D> of receiving surveys from this sender Powered by

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Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side?
by Tomas Gunnarsson 22 May '16

22 May '16

An M6 screw has a core diameter of 5 mm. A 5 mm dia rod has an area of 19.6 mm2. An ordinare 8.8 grade screw has a yield strength of 640 N/mm2 and a tensile strength of 800 N/mm2. 19.6 x 640 N is 12544 N whis is a little less than what a Pantera would require to be lifted in all. 19.6 x 800 is 15680 N which is enough with a margin. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Larry Weston [lplugw(a)hotmail.com] Sent: 22/5/2016 2:15:10 AM To: guson(a)home.se Cc: detomaso(a)detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? Ok. Not sure about the physics of all of it, but if that's the case, there are four of them. Sent from my iPhone On May 21, 2016, at 5:14 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson <guson(a)home.se<mailto:guson@home.se>> wrote: A single six mm diameter screw itself is just about able to lift the weight of the car. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Larry Weston [lplugw(a)hotmail.com<mailto:lplugw@hotmail.com>] Sent: 20/5/2016 10:49:42 PM To: julian_kift(a)hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com> Cc: MikeLDrew(a)aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com>;detomaso(a)detomasolist.com<ma ilto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? That being said, I have sometimes wondered about the faith we put in that 1/8" thick bearing retainer plate we secure with four six mm diameter flathead screws. That seems like a weak link. Best not to think about it to much I decided. Sent from my iPhone > On May 20, 2016, at 4:38 PM, Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> wrote: > > The axle nut is on there at 450 ft/lb but it is only keeping the axle tight in the inner race of the wheel bearings, rotational freedom being within the bearings and even though you are braking hard the axle is still rotating in a forward direction, plus the axle inner flange/half shaft is splined to the axle shaft and most of us do let of the gas when we brake! > > Julian > ________________________________________ > From: marshall smith <marshallgsmith(a)sbcglobal.net<mailto:marshallgsmith@sbcglobal.net>> > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 1:16 PM > To: Douglas Kelm; 'Mike Drew'; detomaso(a)detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>; Julian Kift > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? > > Okay...really dumb question here. Wouldn't hard braking want to loosen the axle nut?? > > M > -------------------------------------------- > On Fri, 5/20/16, Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> wrote: > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? > To: "Douglas Kelm" <dakelm(a)qwest.net<mailto:dakelm@qwest.net>>, "'Mike Drew'" <MikeLDrew(a)aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com>>, "detomaso(a)detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>" <detomaso(a)detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>> > Date: Friday, May 20, 2016, 1:12 PM > > Doug, > > Remember the axle nut is on the inside of the > wheel in this case, if it were RH then the counter clockwise > motion of the axle would want to undo it! > > Julian > > ________________________________________ > From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server .detomasolist.com>> > on behalf of Douglas Kelm <dakelm(a)qwest.net<mailto:dakelm@qwest.net>> > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 12:52 PM > To: 'Mike Drew'; detomaso(a)detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which > side? > > I would think that > the "righty tighty" threads (normal) go on the > left side > of the vehicle. Think of the nut > being stationary while the axle (on the > drivers side) rotates counter clockwise > (looking from outside the car), > meaning the > nut wants to self tighten (rotate clockwise), which is > the > desired situation. Of course, > there's a 50/50 chance that I'm completely > full of "it"! > > Doug > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] > On Behalf > Of Mike Drew via DeTomaso > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 12:34 PM > To: detomaso(a)detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which > side? > > Hi guys, > > I thought I would lead off > with he first technical question on the new > forum. > > The > rear axles are marked S and D, for 'left' and > 'right' respectively. But > that > speaks to the thread direction (one of them is reverse > thread, left to > tighten) > > It's my belief that the S or left-tighten > axle goes on the left side of the > car but I > can't remember for sure. Can somebody confirm or > deny? > > Thanks! > > And welcome back! > > Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER > Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 > Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription > (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER > Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not > exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing > list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription > (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links > above. > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER > Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not > exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing > list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription > (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links > above. > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. An M6 screw has a core diameter of 5 mm. A 5 mm dia rod has an area of 19.6 mm2. An ordinare 8.8 grade screw has a yield strength of 640 N/mm2 and a tensile strength of 800 N/mm2. 19.6 x 640 N is 12544 N whis is a little less than what a Pantera would require to be lifted in all. 19.6 x 800 is 15680 N which is enough with a margin. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Larry Weston [lplugw(a)hotmail.com] Sent: 22/5/2016 2:15:10 AM To: guson(a)home.se Cc: detomaso(a)detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? Ok. Not sure about the physics of all of it, but if that's the case, there are four of them. Sent from my iPhone On May 21, 2016, at 5:14 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson <guson(a)home.se<mailto:guson@home.se>> wrote: A single six mm diameter screw itself is just about able to lift the weight of the car. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Larry Weston [lplugw(a)hotmail.com<mailto:lplugw@hotmail.com>] Sent: 20/5/2016 10:49:42 PM To: julian_kift(a)hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com> Cc: MikeLDrew(a)aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com>;detomaso(a)detomasolist.com<m ailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? That being said, I have sometimes wondered about the faith we put in that 1/8" thick bearing retainer plate we secure with four six mm diameter flathead screws. That seems like a weak link. Best not to think about it to much I decided. Sent from my iPhone > On May 20, 2016, at 4:38 PM, Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> wrote: > > The axle nut is on there at 450 ft/lb but it is only keeping the axle tight in the inner race of the wheel bearings, rotational freedom being within the bearings and even though you are braking hard the axle is still rotating in a forward direction, plus the axle inner flange/half shaft is splined to the axle shaft and most of us do let of the gas when we brake! > > Julian > ________________________________________ > From: marshall smith <marshallgsmith(a)sbcglobal.net<mailto:marshallgsmith@sbcglobal.net>> > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 1:16 PM > To: Douglas Kelm; 'Mike Drew'; detomaso(a)detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>; Julian Kift > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? > > Okay...really dumb question here. Wouldn't hard braking want to loosen the axle nut?? > > M > -------------------------------------------- > On Fri, 5/20/16, Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> wrote: > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? > To: "Douglas Kelm" <dakelm(a)qwest.net<mailto:dakelm@qwest.net>>, "'Mike Drew'" <MikeLDrew(a)aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com>>, "detomaso(a)detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>" <detomaso(a)detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>> > Date: Friday, May 20, 2016, 1:12 PM > > Doug, > > Remember the axle nut is on the inside of the > wheel in this case, if it were RH then the counter clockwise > motion of the axle would want to undo it! > > Julian > > ________________________________________ > From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve r.detomasolist.com>> > on behalf of Douglas Kelm <dakelm(a)qwest.net<mailto:dakelm@qwest.net>> > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 12:52 PM > To: 'Mike Drew'; detomaso(a)detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which > side? > > I would think that > the "righty tighty" threads (normal) go on the > left side > of the vehicle. Think of the nut > being stationary while the axle (on the > drivers side) rotates counter clockwise > (looking from outside the car), > meaning the > nut wants to self tighten (rotate clockwise), which is > the > desired situation. Of course, > there's a 50/50 chance that I'm completely > full of "it"! > > Doug > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] > On Behalf > Of Mike Drew via DeTomaso > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 12:34 PM > To: detomaso(a)detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which > side? > > Hi guys, > > I thought I would lead off > with he first technical question on the new > forum. > > The > rear axles are marked S and D, for 'left' and > 'right' respectively. But > that > speaks to the thread direction (one of them is reverse > thread, left to > tighten) > > It's my belief that the S or left-tighten > axle goes on the left side of the > car but I > can't remember for sure. Can somebody confirm or > deny? > > Thanks! > > And welcome back! > > Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER > Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 > Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.co m> > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription > (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER > Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not > exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing > list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.co m> > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription > (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links > above. > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER > Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not > exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing > list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.co m> > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription > (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links > above. > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.co m> > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.co m> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above.

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