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Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side?
by Tomas Gunnarsson 22 May '16

22 May '16

Many screws on a car are sized based on other qualities than their mechanical strength. For instance, a fender may be held on by say ten 6 or 8 mm screws. The fender itself will rip like tin foil before any of the screws gives in. If you look at an open wheel race car you'll see many screws that look scary small in for instance the suspension. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Larry Weston [lplugw(a)hotmail.com] Sent: 22/5/2016 5:16:05 PM To: guson(a)home.se Cc: detomaso(a)detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? Ok. Perhaps it just seems that the sizing is out of proportion to all of the other fasteners involved with suspension loads. Sent from my iPhone On May 22, 2016, at 10:28 AM, Tomas Gunnarsson <guson(a)home.se<mailto:guson@home.se>> wrote: An M6 screw has a core diameter of 5 mm. A 5 mm dia rod has an area of 19.6 mm2. An ordinare 8.8 grade screw has a yield strength of 640 N/mm2 and a tensile strength of 800 N/mm2. 19.6 x 640 N is 12544 N whis is a little less than what a Pantera would require to be lifted in all. 19.6 x 800 is 15680 N which is enough with a margin. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Larry Weston [lplugw(a)hotmail.com<mailto:lplugw@hotmail.com>] Sent: 22/5/2016 2:15:10 AM To: guson(a)home.se<mailto:guson@home.se> Cc: detomaso(a)detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? Ok. Not sure about the physics of all of it, but if that's the case, there are four of them. Sent from my iPhone On May 21, 2016, at 5:14 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson <guson(a)home.se<mailto:guson@home.se><mailto:guson@home.se>> wrote: A single six mm diameter screw itself is just about able to lift the weight of the car. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Larry Weston [lplugw(a)hotmail.com<mailto:lplugw@hotmail.com><mailto:lplugw@hotmail.com >] Sent: 20/5/2016 10:49:42 PM To: julian_kift(a)hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com><mailto:julian_ki ft(a)hotmail.com> Cc: MikeLDrew(a)aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com><mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com>;de tomaso(a)detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com><mailto:detomas o(a)detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? That being said, I have sometimes wondered about the faith we put in that 1/8" thick bearing retainer plate we secure with four six mm diameter flathead screws. That seems like a weak link. Best not to think about it to much I decided. Sent from my iPhone > On May 20, 2016, at 4:38 PM, Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com><mailto:julian_k ift(a)hotmail.com>> wrote: > > The axle nut is on there at 450 ft/lb but it is only keeping the axle tight in the inner race of the wheel bearings, rotational freedom being within the bearings and even though you are braking hard the axle is still rotating in a forward direction, plus the axle inner flange/half shaft is splined to the axle shaft and most of us do let of the gas when we brake! > > Julian > ________________________________________ > From: marshall smith <marshallgsmith(a)sbcglobal.net<mailto:marshallgsmith@sbcglobal.net><mailt o:marshallgsmith@sbcglobal.net>> > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 1:16 PM > To: Douglas Kelm; 'Mike Drew'; detomaso(a)detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com><mailto:detom aso(a)detomasolist.com>; Julian Kift > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? > > Okay...really dumb question here. Wouldn't hard braking want to loosen the axle nut?? > > M > -------------------------------------------- > On Fri, 5/20/16, Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com><mailto:julian_k ift(a)hotmail.com>> wrote: > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? > To: "Douglas Kelm" <dakelm(a)qwest.net<mailto:dakelm@qwest.net><mailto:dakelm@qwest.net>>, "'Mike Drew'" <MikeLDrew(a)aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com><mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com>>, "detomaso(a)detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com><mailto:deto maso(a)detomasolist.com>" <detomaso(a)detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com><mailto:deto maso(a)detomasolist.com>> > Date: Friday, May 20, 2016, 1:12 PM > > Doug, > > Remember the axle nut is on the inside of the > wheel in this case, if it were RH then the counter clockwise > motion of the axle would want to undo it! > > Julian > > ________________________________________ > From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server .detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> > on behalf of Douglas Kelm <dakelm(a)qwest.net<mailto:dakelm@qwest.net><mailto:dakelm@qwest.net>> > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 12:52 PM > To: 'Mike Drew'; detomaso(a)detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com><mailto:detom aso(a)detomasolist.com> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which > side? > > I would think that > the "righty tighty" threads (normal) go on the > left side > of the vehicle. Think of the nut > being stationary while the axle (on the > drivers side) rotates counter clockwise > (looking from outside the car), > meaning the > nut wants to self tighten (rotate clockwise), which is > the > desired situation. Of course, > there's a 50/50 chance that I'm completely > full of "it"! > > Doug > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] > On Behalf > Of Mike Drew via DeTomaso > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 12:34 PM > To: detomaso(a)detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com><mailto:detom aso(a)detomasolist.com> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which > side? > > Hi guys, > > I thought I would lead off > with he first technical question on the new > forum. > > The > rear axles are marked S and D, for 'left' and > 'right' respectively. But > that > speaks to the thread direction (one of them is reverse > thread, left to > tighten) > > It's my belief that the S or left-tighten > axle goes on the left side of the > car but I > can't remember for sure. Can somebody confirm or > deny? > > Thanks! > > And welcome back! > > Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER > Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 > Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com ><mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription > (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER > Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not > exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing > list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com ><mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription > (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links > above. > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER > Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not > exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing > list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com ><mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription > (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links > above. > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com ><mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com ><mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Many screws on a car are sized based on other qualities than their mechanical strength. For instance, a fender may be held on by say ten 6 or 8 mm screws. The fender itself will rip like tin foil before any of the screws gives in. If you look at an open wheel race car you'll see many screws that look scary small in for instance the suspension. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Larry Weston [lplugw(a)hotmail.com] Sent: 22/5/2016 5:16:05 PM To: guson(a)home.se Cc: detomaso(a)detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? Ok. Perhaps it just seems that the sizing is out of proportion to all of the other fasteners involved with suspension loads. Sent from my iPhone On May 22, 2016, at 10:28 AM, Tomas Gunnarsson <guson(a)home.se<mailto:guson@home.se>> wrote: An M6 screw has a core diameter of 5 mm. A 5 mm dia rod has an area of 19.6 mm2. An ordinare 8.8 grade screw has a yield strength of 640 N/mm2 and a tensile strength of 800 N/mm2. 19.6 x 640 N is 12544 N whis is a little less than what a Pantera would require to be lifted in all. 19.6 x 800 is 15680 N which is enough with a margin. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Larry Weston [lplugw(a)hotmail.com<mailto:lplugw@hotmail.com>] Sent: 22/5/2016 2:15:10 AM To: guson(a)home.se<mailto:guson@home.se> Cc: detomaso(a)detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? Ok. Not sure about the physics of all of it, but if that's the case, there are four of them. Sent from my iPhone On May 21, 2016, at 5:14 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson <guson(a)home.se<mailto:guson@home.se><mailto:guson@home.se>> wrote: A single six mm diameter screw itself is just about able to lift the weight of the car. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Larry Weston [lplugw(a)hotmail.com<mailto:lplugw@hotmail.com><mailto:lplugw@hotmail.co m>] Sent: 20/5/2016 10:49:42 PM To: julian_kift(a)hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com><mailto:julian_k ift(a)hotmail.com> Cc: MikeLDrew(a)aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com><mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com>;d etomaso(a)detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com><mailto:detom aso(a)detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? That being said, I have sometimes wondered about the faith we put in that 1/8" thick bearing retainer plate we secure with four six mm diameter flathead screws. That seems like a weak link. Best not to think about it to much I decided. Sent from my iPhone > On May 20, 2016, at 4:38 PM, Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com><mailto:julian_ kift(a)hotmail.com>> wrote: > > The axle nut is on there at 450 ft/lb but it is only keeping the axle tight in the inner race of the wheel bearings, rotational freedom being within the bearings and even though you are braking hard the axle is still rotating in a forward direction, plus the axle inner flange/half shaft is splined to the axle shaft and most of us do let of the gas when we brake! > > Julian > ________________________________________ > From: marshall smith <marshallgsmith(a)sbcglobal.net<mailto:marshallgsmith@sbcglobal.net><mail to:marshallgsmith@sbcglobal.net>> > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 1:16 PM > To: Douglas Kelm; 'Mike Drew'; detomaso(a)detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com><mailto:deto maso(a)detomasolist.com>; Julian Kift > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? > > Okay...really dumb question here. Wouldn't hard braking want to loosen the axle nut?? > > M > -------------------------------------------- > On Fri, 5/20/16, Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com><mailto:julian_ kift(a)hotmail.com>> wrote: > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? > To: "Douglas Kelm" <dakelm(a)qwest.net<mailto:dakelm@qwest.net><mailto:dakelm@qwest.net>>, "'Mike Drew'" <MikeLDrew(a)aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com><mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com>> , "detomaso(a)detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com><mailto:det omaso(a)detomasolist.com>" <detomaso(a)detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com><mailto:det omaso(a)detomasolist.com>> > Date: Friday, May 20, 2016, 1:12 PM > > Doug, > > Remember the axle nut is on the inside of the > wheel in this case, if it were RH then the counter clockwise > motion of the axle would want to undo it! > > Julian > > ________________________________________ > From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve r.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> > on behalf of Douglas Kelm <dakelm(a)qwest.net<mailto:dakelm@qwest.net><mailto:dakelm@qwest.net>> > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 12:52 PM > To: 'Mike Drew'; detomaso(a)detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com><mailto:deto maso(a)detomasolist.com> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which > side? > > I would think that > the "righty tighty" threads (normal) go on the > left side > of the vehicle. Think of the nut > being stationary while the axle (on the > drivers side) rotates counter clockwise > (looking from outside the car), > meaning the > nut wants to self tighten (rotate clockwise), which is > the > desired situation. Of course, > there's a 50/50 chance that I'm completely > full of "it"! > > Doug > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] > On Behalf > Of Mike Drew via DeTomaso > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 12:34 PM > To: detomaso(a)detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com><mailto:deto maso(a)detomasolist.com> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which > side? > > Hi guys, > > I thought I would lead off > with he first technical question on the new > forum. > > The > rear axles are marked S and D, for 'left' and > 'right' respectively. But > that > speaks to the thread direction (one of them is reverse > thread, left to > tighten) > > It's my belief that the S or left-tighten > axle goes on the left side of the > car but I > can't remember for sure. Can somebody confirm or > deny? > > Thanks! > > And welcome back! > > Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER > Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 > Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.co m><mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription > (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER > Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not > exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing > list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.co m><mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription > (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links > above. > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER > Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not > exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing > list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.co m><mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription > (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links > above. > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.co m><mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.co m><mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above.

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test pic-Pantera racing history
by Matt 22 May '16

22 May '16

The test pic was taken from 1972 Grand Prix de SPA. I found a good site which shows some Pantera racing history,drivers and results if you want to see how the car finished along with the other Pantera in that and more races. http://www.racingsportscars.com/type/photo/De%20Tomaso/Pantera.html Matt 3584 The test pic was taken from 1972 Grand Prix de SPA. I found a good site which shows some Pantera racing history,drivers and results if you want to see how the car finished along with the other Pantera in that and more races. [1]http://www.racingsportscars.com/type/photo/De%20Tomaso/Pantera.html Matt 3584 [cleardot.gif] References 1. http://www.racingsportscars.com/type/photo/De%20Tomaso/Pantera.html

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Test
by Matt 22 May '16

22 May '16

check,check pic attached check,check pic attached

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Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side?
by marshall smith 22 May '16

22 May '16

Okay...really dumb question here. Wouldn't hard braking want to loosen the axle nut?? M -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 5/20/16, Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com> wrote: Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? To: "Douglas Kelm" <dakelm(a)qwest.net>, "'Mike Drew'" <MikeLDrew(a)aol.com>, "detomaso(a)detomasolist.com" <detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> Date: Friday, May 20, 2016, 1:12 PM Doug, Remember the axle nut is on the inside of the wheel in this case, if it were RH then the counter clockwise motion of the axle would want to undo it! Julian ________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Douglas Kelm <dakelm(a)qwest.net> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 12:52 PM To: 'Mike Drew'; detomaso(a)detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? I would think that the "righty tighty" threads (normal) go on the left side of the vehicle. Think of the nut being stationary while the axle (on the drivers side) rotates counter clockwise (looking from outside the car), meaning the nut wants to self tighten (rotate clockwise), which is the desired situation. Of course, there's a 50/50 chance that I'm completely full of "it"! Doug -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Mike Drew via DeTomaso Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 12:34 PM To: detomaso(a)detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? Hi guys, I thought I would lead off with he first technical question on the new forum. The rear axles are marked S and D, for 'left' and 'right' respectively. But that speaks to the thread direction (one of them is reverse thread, left to tighten) It's my belief that the S or left-tighten axle goes on the left side of the car but I can't remember for sure. Can somebody confirm or deny? Thanks! And welcome back! Mike Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above.

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Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side?
by MikeLDrew＠aol.com 22 May '16

22 May '16

In a message dated 5/20/16 4:16:27 PM, lplugw(a)hotmail.com writes: > That being said, I have sometimes wondered about the faith we put in that > 1/8" thick bearing retainer plate we secure with four six mm diameter > flathead screws. That seems like a weak link. Best not to think about it to > much I decided. > >>>You can rest easy. That thing is phenomenally strong. I've pressed apart dozens of uprights over the years. Normally with a little bit of lubrication, the axle presses out of the bearings with considerable force, but once it 'pops', it presses out reasonably well. (In some extreme cases I've had it literally fall out!). But one in particular sticks to mind--I had to press and press and press, and I started to get a bit alarmed. The axle had swollen/bearing had shrunk, and it was a serious interference fit. Spray lubrication, taps with a hammer, and profanity all did next to nothing. The press was almost bending, but I kept applying more force, as there was nothing else to do. Eventually, rather than the axle slipping out of the center of the bearing, the axle and bearing slowly came out of the hub carrier, bending and STRETCHING the retainer. It finally blew apart, but it took an enormous amount of effort. (Fortunately I always keep an extra pair of retainers on hand for just such contingencies). Point being, there is no conceivable amount of force that could be levied against that subsystem on the road that could ever see the bearing just falling out on its own. So at least that's one thing you can be assured of that won't fall apart. :>) Thanks to all for your answers to my initial query! Mike In a message dated 5/20/16 4:16:27 PM, lplugw(a)hotmail.com writes: That being said, I have sometimes wondered about the faith we put in that 1/8" thick bearing retainer plate we secure with four six mm diameter flathead screws. That seems like a weak link. Best not to think about it to much I decided. >>>You can rest easy. That thing is phenomenally strong. I've pressed apart dozens of uprights over the years. Normally with a little bit of lubrication, the axle presses out of the bearings with considerable force, but once it 'pops', it presses out reasonably well. (In some extreme cases I've had it literally fall out!). But one in particular sticks to mind--I had to press and press and press, and I started to get a bit alarmed. The axle had swollen/bearing had shrunk, and it was a serious interference fit. Spray lubrication, taps with a hammer, and profanity all did next to nothing. The press was almost bending, but I kept applying more force, as there was nothing else to do. Eventually, rather than the axle slipping out of the center of the bearing, the axle and bearing slowly came out of the hub carrier, bending and STRETCHING the retainer. It finally blew apart, but it took an enormous amount of effort. (Fortunately I always keep an extra pair of retainers on hand for just such contingencies). Point being, there is no conceivable amount of force that could be levied against that subsystem on the road that could ever see the bearing just falling out on its own. So at least that's one thing you can be assured of that won't fall apart. :>) Thanks to all for your answers to my initial query! Mike

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Re: [DeTomaso] Fw: Jiffy Lube - NPC
by Charles Engles 22 May '16

22 May '16

Dear Jerry, I am shocked, shocked that you would make an off color remark.......! :-) You cad. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Knotts Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 8:12 PM To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fw: Jiffy Lube - NPC Man that is purple humor instead of blue. On 5/21/2016 7:40 PM, Julian Kift wrote: > "PS: I know Scott Black and he is a prince." > > A good guitarist or dead? ;-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On > Behalf Of Ken Green via DeTomaso > Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 6:56 PM > To: detomaso(a)detomasolist.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] Fw: Jiffy Lube - NPC > > > > I suppose this post from 2007 might give you an idea of Mr. Short's temperament. A few folks on the forum did not take kindly to the negative comments suggesting that Scott Black was trying to line his own packets. > Ken > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: Michael Shortt <michaelsavga(a)gmail.com> > To: Art Stephens <artstephens(a)charter.net> > Cc: DeTomaso A <detomaso(a)realbig.com>; scott black <timepiecepr2(a)yahoo.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 2:46 AM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jiffy Lube - NPC > > I don't know you Scott, through my search of the last 24 months of Detomaso List postings I can't find another post by you. You may very well have the best of intentions. > > However, as a PR Professional (?), your rehashing of old news ( that was on Dateline 3 years ago ) seems highly irresponsible, leading me to question your motives, seeing that your business targets the automotive marketplace does nothing to remove any doubt, nothing like creating a problem that you can offer to help fix for a fee. > > There are crooks in every business, yes even PR firms and Jiffy Lube franchisees, but to use a broad brush to paint all of them as being such is nothing more than over the backyard fence fearmongering. You above all others should know that to be true. > > Anybody who has their car serviced at any dealership of any kind, esp. one that promises 30 min or less, and goes and sits on their ass and watches TV instead of watching their car probably deserves whatever they get. There is no excuse for the crooks, they should have been arrested, that is nothing more than stealing, but a smart consumer would be watching and would ALWAYS request your parts. I personally ask for the new oil filter and date it myself with a sharpie "for my own records". Fluids changes can be checks by examining the dipstick for the color of the replacement fluids and lastly if they don't meet your expectations, refuse to pay until proof has been furnished, the last thing they want is a car blocking the bay or the police to show up if they are indeed crooks, too much attention and the last thing a crook wants is attention. > > Trust is overrated, knowing for sure is always the best route to take and if you're too sorry, too unskilled, or like me, lack the space for a backyard buddy so that I could easily do those routine things myself, then it is your responsibility to look out for number one. Nobody else ever will. > > Michael in Savannah > > > On 8/24/07, Art Stephens <artstephens(a)charter.net> wrote: >> Thank you Scott. I don't do business with them and it looks like >> I never will! >> >> Art >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "scott black" <timepiecepr2(a)yahoo.com> >> To: "DeTomaso A" <detomaso(a)realbig.com> >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 7:53 PM >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Jiffy Lube - NPC >> >> >>> >>> 4 minute video of California Jiffy Lubes at work....do business >>> with >> any >>> Jiffy's in your town? >>> >>> >>> >> http://mfile.akamai.com/12924/wmv/vod.ibsys.com/2006/0503/9152183.200 >> k >> .asx >>> Scott Black >>> >>> >>> TimePiece Public Relations >>> Dallas - Houston - New York >>> www.timepiecepr.com >>> >>> --------------------------------- >>> Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! >>> TV. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >>> >>> Archive Search Engine Now Available at >>> http://www.realbig.com/detomaso/ >>> >>> DeTomaso mailing list >>> DeTomaso(a)list.realbig.com >>> http://list.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.4/969 - Release Date: >> 8/23/2007 >>> 4:04 PM >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >> >> Archive Search Engine Now Available at >> http://www.realbig.com/detomaso/ >> >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso(a)list.realbig.com >> http://list.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> > > > -- > Michael L. 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Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side?
by Tomas Gunnarsson 22 May '16

22 May '16

A single six mm diameter screw itself is just about able to lift the weight of the car. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Larry Weston [lplugw(a)hotmail.com] Sent: 20/5/2016 10:49:42 PM To: julian_kift(a)hotmail.com Cc: MikeLDrew@aol.com;detomaso@detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? That being said, I have sometimes wondered about the faith we put in that 1/8" thick bearing retainer plate we secure with four six mm diameter flathead screws. That seems like a weak link. Best not to think about it to much I decided. Sent from my iPhone > On May 20, 2016, at 4:38 PM, Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > The axle nut is on there at 450 ft/lb but it is only keeping the axle tight in the inner race of the wheel bearings, rotational freedom being within the bearings and even though you are braking hard the axle is still rotating in a forward direction, plus the axle inner flange/half shaft is splined to the axle shaft and most of us do let of the gas when we brake! > > Julian > ________________________________________ > From: marshall smith <marshallgsmith(a)sbcglobal.net> > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 1:16 PM > To: Douglas Kelm; 'Mike Drew'; detomaso(a)detomasolist.com; Julian Kift > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? > > Okay...really dumb question here. Wouldn't hard braking want to loosen the axle nut?? > > M > -------------------------------------------- > On Fri, 5/20/16, Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? > To: "Douglas Kelm" <dakelm(a)qwest.net>, "'Mike Drew'" <MikeLDrew(a)aol.com>, "detomaso(a)detomasolist.com" <detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> > Date: Friday, May 20, 2016, 1:12 PM > > Doug, > > Remember the axle nut is on the inside of the > wheel in this case, if it were RH then the counter clockwise > motion of the axle would want to undo it! > > Julian > > ________________________________________ > From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> > on behalf of Douglas Kelm <dakelm(a)qwest.net> > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 12:52 PM > To: 'Mike Drew'; detomaso(a)detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which > side? > > I would think that > the "righty tighty" threads (normal) go on the > left side > of the vehicle. Think of the nut > being stationary while the axle (on the > drivers side) rotates counter clockwise > (looking from outside the car), > meaning the > nut wants to self tighten (rotate clockwise), which is > the > desired situation. Of course, > there's a 50/50 chance that I'm completely > full of "it"! > > Doug > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] > On Behalf > Of Mike Drew via DeTomaso > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 12:34 PM > To: detomaso(a)detomasolist.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which > side? > > Hi guys, > > I thought I would lead off > with he first technical question on the new > forum. > > The > rear axles are marked S and D, for 'left' and > 'right' respectively. But > that > speaks to the thread direction (one of them is reverse > thread, left to > tighten) > > It's my belief that the S or left-tighten > axle goes on the left side of the > car but I > can't remember for sure. Can somebody confirm or > deny? > > Thanks! > > And welcome back! > > Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER > Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 > Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription > (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER > Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not > exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing > list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription > (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links > above. > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER > Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not > exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing > list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription > (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links > above. > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. . A single six mm diameter screw itself is just about able to lift the weight of the car. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Larry Weston [lplugw(a)hotmail.com] Sent: 20/5/2016 10:49:42 PM To: julian_kift(a)hotmail.com Cc: MikeLDrew@aol.com;detomaso@detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? That being said, I have sometimes wondered about the faith we put in that 1/8" thick bearing retainer plate we secure with four six mm diameter flathead screws. That seems like a weak link. Best not to think about it to much I decided. Sent from my iPhone > On May 20, 2016, at 4:38 PM, Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > The axle nut is on there at 450 ft/lb but it is only keeping the axle tight in the inner race of the wheel bearings, rotational freedom being within the bearings and even though you are braking hard the axle is still rotating in a forward direction, plus the axle inner flange/half shaft is splined to the axle shaft and most of us do let of the gas when we brake! > > Julian > ________________________________________ > From: marshall smith <marshallgsmith(a)sbcglobal.net> > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 1:16 PM > To: Douglas Kelm; 'Mike Drew'; detomaso(a)detomasolist.com; Julian Kift > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? > > Okay...really dumb question here. Wouldn't hard braking want to loosen the axle nut?? > > M > -------------------------------------------- > On Fri, 5/20/16, Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side? > To: "Douglas Kelm" <dakelm(a)qwest.net>, "'Mike Drew'" <MikeLDrew(a)aol.com>, "detomaso(a)detomasolist.com" <detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> > Date: Friday, May 20, 2016, 1:12 PM > > Doug, > > Remember the axle nut is on the inside of the > wheel in this case, if it were RH then the counter clockwise > motion of the axle would want to undo it! > > Julian > > ________________________________________ > From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> > on behalf of Douglas Kelm <dakelm(a)qwest.net> > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 12:52 PM > To: 'Mike Drew'; detomaso(a)detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which > side? > > I would think that > the "righty tighty" threads (normal) go on the > left side > of the vehicle. Think of the nut > being stationary while the axle (on the > drivers side) rotates counter clockwise > (looking from outside the car), > meaning the > nut wants to self tighten (rotate clockwise), which is > the > desired situation. Of course, > there's a 50/50 chance that I'm completely > full of "it"! > > Doug > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] > On Behalf > Of Mike Drew via DeTomaso > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 12:34 PM > To: detomaso(a)detomasolist.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which > side? > > Hi guys, > > I thought I would lead off > with he first technical question on the new > forum. > > The > rear axles are marked S and D, for 'left' and > 'right' respectively. But > that > speaks to the thread direction (one of them is reverse > thread, left to > tighten) > > It's my belief that the S or left-tighten > axle goes on the left side of the > car but I > can't remember for sure. Can somebody confirm or > deny? > > Thanks! > > And welcome back! > > Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER > Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 > Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription > (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER > Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not > exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing > list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription > (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links > above. > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER > Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not > exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing > list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription > (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links > above. > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. .

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Re: [DeTomaso] Fw: Jiffy Lube - NPC
by Charles Engles 22 May '16

22 May '16

Dear Julian, Ohhhhhhh. I don't know about his musical abilities, but last I heard Scott is very much alive and, to use different cliché, he is a good guy. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles -----Original Message----- From: Julian Kift [mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 7:41 PM To: Charles Engles; 'Ken Green'; detomaso(a)detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fw: Jiffy Lube - NPC "PS: I know Scott Black and he is a prince." A good guitarist or dead? ;-) -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Ken Green via DeTomaso Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 6:56 PM To: detomaso(a)detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Fw: Jiffy Lube - NPC I suppose this post from 2007 might give you an idea of Mr. Short's temperament. A few folks on the forum did not take kindly to the negative comments suggesting that Scott Black was trying to line his own packets. Ken ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Michael Shortt <michaelsavga(a)gmail.com> To: Art Stephens <artstephens(a)charter.net> Cc: DeTomaso A <detomaso(a)realbig.com>; scott black <timepiecepr2(a)yahoo.com> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 2:46 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jiffy Lube - NPC I don't know you Scott, through my search of the last 24 months of Detomaso List postings I can't find another post by you. You may very well have the best of intentions. However, as a PR Professional (?), your rehashing of old news ( that was on Dateline 3 years ago ) seems highly irresponsible, leading me to question your motives, seeing that your business targets the automotive marketplace does nothing to remove any doubt, nothing like creating a problem that you can offer to help fix for a fee. There are crooks in every business, yes even PR firms and Jiffy Lube franchisees, but to use a broad brush to paint all of them as being such is nothing more than over the backyard fence fearmongering. You above all others should know that to be true. Anybody who has their car serviced at any dealership of any kind, esp. one that promises 30 min or less, and goes and sits on their ass and watches TV instead of watching their car probably deserves whatever they get. There is no excuse for the crooks, they should have been arrested, that is nothing more than stealing, but a smart consumer would be watching and would ALWAYS request your parts. I personally ask for the new oil filter and date it myself with a sharpie "for my own records". Fluids changes can be checks by examining the dipstick for the color of the replacement fluids and lastly if they don't meet your expectations, refuse to pay until proof has been furnished, the last thing they want is a car blocking the bay or the police to show up if they are indeed crooks, too much attention and the last thing a crook wants is attention. Trust is overrated, knowing for sure is always the best route to take and if you're too sorry, too unskilled, or like me, lack the space for a backyard buddy so that I could easily do those routine things myself, then it is your responsibility to look out for number one. Nobody else ever will. Michael in Savannah On 8/24/07, Art Stephens <artstephens(a)charter.net> wrote: > > Thank you Scott. I don't do business with them and it looks like I >never will! > > Art > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "scott black" <timepiecepr2(a)yahoo.com> > To: "DeTomaso A" <detomaso(a)realbig.com> > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 7:53 PM > Subject: [DeTomaso] Jiffy Lube - NPC > > > > > > > > 4 minute video of California Jiffy Lubes at work....do business > >with > any > > Jiffy's in your town? > > > > > > > http://mfile.akamai.com/12924/wmv/vod.ibsys.com/2006/0503/9152183.200k > .asx > > > > Scott Black > > > > > > TimePiece Public Relations > > Dallas - Houston - New York > > www.timepiecepr.com > > > > --------------------------------- > > Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! > > TV. > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > Archive Search Engine Now Available at > > http://www.realbig.com/detomaso/ > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso(a)list.realbig.com > > http://list.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.4/969 - Release Date: > 8/23/2007 > > 4:04 PM > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > Archive Search Engine Now Available at > http://www.realbig.com/detomaso/ > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)list.realbig.com > http://list.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com michael(a)michaelshortt.com This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA Archive Search Engine Now Available at http://www.realbig.com/detomaso/ DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)list.realbig.com http://list.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above.=

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Re: [DeTomaso] Roll call
by Bill Moore 22 May '16

22 May '16

Thanks Kurt. I like getting emails. Cheers, Bill MooreIncendium SupplyCalgary Thanks Kurt. I like getting emails. Cheers, Bill Moore Incendium Supply Calgary

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Fw: Jiffy Lube - NPC
by Ken Green 21 May '16

21 May '16

I suppose this post from 2007 might give you an idea of Mr. Short's temperament. A few folks on the forum did not take kindly to the negative comments suggesting that Scott Black was trying to line his own packets. Ken ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Michael Shortt <michaelsavga(a)gmail.com> To: Art Stephens <artstephens(a)charter.net> Cc: DeTomaso A <detomaso(a)realbig.com>; scott black <timepiecepr2(a)yahoo.com> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 2:46 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jiffy Lube - NPC I don't know you Scott, through my search of the last 24 months of Detomaso List postings I can't find another post by you. You may very well have the best of intentions. However, as a PR Professional (?), your rehashing of old news ( that was on Dateline 3 years ago ) seems highly irresponsible, leading me to question your motives, seeing that your business targets the automotive marketplace does nothing to remove any doubt, nothing like creating a problem that you can offer to help fix for a fee. There are crooks in every business, yes even PR firms and Jiffy Lube franchisees, but to use a broad brush to paint all of them as being such is nothing more than over the backyard fence fearmongering. You above all others should know that to be true. Anybody who has their car serviced at any dealership of any kind, esp. one that promises 30 min or less, and goes and sits on their ass and watches TV instead of watching their car probably deserves whatever they get. There is no excuse for the crooks, they should have been arrested, that is nothing more than stealing, but a smart consumer would be watching and would ALWAYS request your parts. I personally ask for the new oil filter and date it myself with a sharpie "for my own records". Fluids changes can be checks by examining the dipstick for the color of the replacement fluids and lastly if they don't meet your expectations, refuse to pay until proof has been furnished, the last thing they want is a car blocking the bay or the police to show up if they are indeed crooks, too much attention and the last thing a crook wants is attention. Trust is overrated, knowing for sure is always the best route to take and if you're too sorry, too unskilled, or like me, lack the space for a backyard buddy so that I could easily do those routine things myself, then it is your responsibility to look out for number one. Nobody else ever will. Michael in Savannah On 8/24/07, Art Stephens <artstephens(a)charter.net> wrote: > > Thank you Scott. I don't do business with them and it looks like I > never will! > > Art > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "scott black" <timepiecepr2(a)yahoo.com> > To: "DeTomaso A" <detomaso(a)realbig.com> > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 7:53 PM > Subject: [DeTomaso] Jiffy Lube - NPC > > > > > > > > 4 minute video of California Jiffy Lubes at work....do business with > any > > Jiffy's in your town? > > > > > > > http://mfile.akamai.com/12924/wmv/vod.ibsys.com/2006/0503/9152183.200k.asx > > > > Scott Black > > > > > > TimePiece Public Relations > > Dallas - Houston - New York > > www.timepiecepr.com > > > > --------------------------------- > > Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! > > TV. > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > > > Archive Search Engine Now Available at http://www.realbig.com/detomaso/ > > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso(a)list.realbig.com > > http://list.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.4/969 - Release Date: > 8/23/2007 > > 4:04 PM > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA > > Archive Search Engine Now Available at http://www.realbig.com/detomaso/ > > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)list.realbig.com > http://list.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com michael(a)michaelshortt.com This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA Archive Search Engine Now Available at http://www.realbig.com/detomaso/ DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)list.realbig.com http://list.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso I suppose this post from 2007 might give you an idea of Mr. Short's temperament. A few folks on the forum did not take kindly to the negative comments suggesting that Scott Black was trying to line his own packets. Ken ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Michael Shortt <michaelsavga(a)gmail.com> To: Art Stephens <artstephens(a)charter.net> Cc: DeTomaso A <detomaso(a)realbig.com>; scott black <timepiecepr2(a)yahoo.com> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 2:46 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jiffy Lube - NPC I don't know you Scott, through my search of the last 24 months of Detomaso List postings I can't find another post by you. You may very well have the best of intentions. However, as a PR Professional (?), your rehashing of old news ( that was on Dateline 3 years ago ) seems highly irresponsible, leading me to question your motives, seeing that your business targets the automotive marketplace does nothing to remove any doubt, nothing like creating a problem that you can offer to help fix for a fee. There are crooks in every business, yes even PR firms and Jiffy Lube franchisees, but to use a broad brush to paint all of them as being such is nothing more than over the backyard fence fearmongering. You above all others should know that to be true. Anybody who has their car serviced at any dealership of any kind, esp. one that promises 30 min or less, and goes and sits on their ass and watches TV instead of watching their car probably deserves whatever they get. There is no excuse for the crooks, they should have been arrested, that is nothing more than stealing, but a smart consumer would be watching and would ALWAYS request your parts. I personally ask for the new oil filter and date it myself with a sharpie "for my own records". Fluids changes can be checks by examining the dipstick for the color of the replacement fluids and lastly if they don't meet your expectations, refuse to pay until proof has been furnished, the last thing they want is a car blocking the bay or the police to show up if they are indeed crooks, too much attention and the last thing a crook wants is attention. Trust is overrated, knowing for sure is always the best route to take and if you're too sorry, too unskilled, or like me, lack the space for a backyard buddy so that I could easily do those routine things myself, then it is your responsibility to look out for number one. Nobody else ever will. Michael in Savannah On 8/24/07, Art Stephens <[1]artstephens(a)charter.net> wrote: > > Thank you Scott. I don't do business with them and it looks like I > never will! > > Art > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "scott black" <[2]timepiecepr2(a)yahoo.com> > To: "DeTomaso A" <[3]detomaso(a)realbig.com> > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 7:53 PM > Subject: [DeTomaso] Jiffy Lube - NPC > > > > > > > > 4 minute video of California Jiffy Lubes at work....do business with > any > > Jiffy's in your town? > > > > > > > [4]http://mfile.akamai.com/12924/wmv/vod.ibsys.com/2006/0503/9152183.20 0k.asx > > > > Scott Black > > > > > > TimePiece Public Relations > > Dallas - Houston - New York > > www.timepiecepr.com > > > > --------------------------------- > > Ready for the edge of your seat? 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