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Finally had a car show sign made for 6328
by Mike Thomas 07 Oct '16

07 Oct '16

Hope the attachment comes through. Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest Yellow '74 #6328

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DeTomaso corollary
by Charles McCall 07 Oct '16

07 Oct '16

Has anyone ridden a Benelli Sei, the 6-cylinder motorcycle introduced by Alejandro DeTomaso after taking over the company? Besides being, ahem, inspired by Honda’s 6-cylinder bike, was it supposed to be any good? There are a handful for sale in Europe for between €12,000 and €20,000, which is interesting. I was kind of hoping that they would just be considered “old” and not “collectible”, but they aren’t giving them away. One example may be found here: http://ww3.autoscout24.es/classified/286071978?asrc=st|as Has anyone ridden a Benelli Sei, the 6-cylinder motorcycle introduced by Alejandro DeTomaso after taking over the company? Besides being, ahem, inspired by Honda's 6-cylinder bike, was it supposed to be any good? There are a handful for sale in Europe for between EUR12,000 and EUR20,000, which is interesting. I was kind of hoping that they would just be considered "old" and not "collectible", but they aren't giving them away. One example may be found here: [1]http://ww3.autoscout24.es/classified/286071978?asrc=st|as References 1. http://ww3.autoscout24.es/classified/286071978?asrc=st|as

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Re: [DeTomaso] Alternator blues....
by Tomas Gunnarsson 06 Oct '16

06 Oct '16

If the marginal connection is between battery and ammeter it will fluctuate between zero and charge. If it's between alternator and ammeter it will fluctuate between charge and discharge. Right Thomas? Another thought: Have you by accident hooked anything up to the lamp post on the alternator (or the wire going between post and dashboard lamp) that's using significant power? That pin will provide power when running but the rectifier diodes inside will not be up for the task and burn out in short time. Just a thought as you've been going through alternators at high pace. I'd like to disconnect the lamp wire from the alternator with the engine running and see what happens. Note that the sense wire will have to stay connected if you have one. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Thomas Törnblom [tipo874(a)gmail.com] Sent: 3/10/2016 9:49:41 PM To: MikeLDrew(a)aol.com Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alternator blues.... Check the fat wire from B+ (or what it is called on the alt) to the ammeter. If there is a marginal connection there the voltage can fluctuate wildly and possibly kill semiconductors in the alt. > 3 okt. 2016 kl. 18:00 skrev Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com>: > > All, > > Further to my original inquiry, I failed to mention that this is a GM alternator with built-in regulator, running in the stock three-wire configuration. Normally it works normally--shows a somewhat strong charge for a short time after engine start, coming back down to slight charge when battery is 'full' again, with slight discharge at idle when fans, lights etc are on. > > When it starts acting up, initially the needle bounces erratically over a small range between slight charge and slight discharge. After a few minutes of that, it goes into greater discharge mode as it quits completely. > > Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 3, 2016, at 8:15, "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes(a)jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: >> >> Ditto. I put in 2 rebuilt units and they both failed. Finally bought >> a new one. >> No problem since. >> >> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, >> >> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" >> >> Terry W. Himes >> >> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory >> >> Dawn Spacecraft Team >> >> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead >> >> Phone: (818) 393-6261 >> >> Cell: (818) 653-8213 >> >> Fax: (818) 393-3147 >> >> [1]thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov >> >> From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf >> of Julian Kift <[3]julian_kift(a)hotmail.com> >> Date: Monday, October 3, 2016 6:57 AM >> To: "[4]MikeLDrew(a)aol.com" <[5]MikeLDrew(a)aol.com>, >> "[6]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" >> <[7]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alternator blues.... >> >> Mike, >> I hate chasing these type of electrical problems, but here's some >> thoughts; >> i) Battery going bad (how old is it?), requiring the alternator to have >> to constantly charge >> ii) Some alternator re builders are notorious for units failing, over a >> 50% failure rate is not uncommon. I had a similar issue with my GT40; >> on the third alternator we switched to a higher amp 'new' unit and >> never had a problem since. >> iii) It could also be an intermittent short or bad ground >> Julian >> ________________________________ >> From: DeTomaso <[8]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf >> of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[9]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> >> Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2016 9:11 PM >> To: [10]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Alternator blues.... >> Hi guys, >> Just got home from a terrific weekend in the Sierra foothills; 24 >> Panteras >> (of the 36 scheduled) took part in the Niello concours at Serrano. It >> heaved down with rain for a very brief period, but that rain then >> turned to snow >> which kept the large Reno/Tahoe contingent from braving the summit. >> Still, a great time was had by all who attended, and we drove home in >> splendid >> sunshine. >> We were driving in Lori's Pantera, which has a flat firewall kit and >> uses a >> GM alternator with built-in regulator. She drove the car to Vegas >> this >> spring, and the alternator failed while we were there. At first it >> started >> acting erratic, with the amp needle bouncing around, and then finally >> it quit >> and just showed a partial discharge. Testing at the battery revealed >> it >> was doing nothing at that point. We replaced it with another one, >> which did >> exactly the same thing and failed about 50 miles from home. >> We replaced THAT one, and the third one has worked fine until today. >> But >> it probably only has about 250 miles on it or so. On the way home, >> once >> again, I noticed the ammeter needle behaving erratically, then it quit >> and >> showed partial discharge for many miles, then briefly came back to life >> and >> showed a very strong charge (since we had been running on battery power >> for >> awhile), then discharged again. >> Methinks the problem is not simply that alternators are failing, but >> rather >> that there is some sort of fault in the electrical system. As >> electrons >> are far from my strong suit, I hesitate to start diving it to it >> blindly. >> What say all of you? >> FWIW we've got a spare alternator we will be installing tomorrow, which >> almost assuredly will work just fine...for awhile anyway???? >> Mike >> >> References >> >> 1. mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov >> 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com >> 3. mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com >> 4. mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com >> 5. mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com >> 6. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> 7. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> 8. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com >> 9. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> 10. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. . If the marginal connection is between battery and ammeter it will fluctuate between zero and charge. If it's between alternator and ammeter it will fluctuate between charge and discharge. Right Thomas? Another thought: Have you by accident hooked anything up to the lamp post on the alternator (or the wire going between post and dashboard lamp) that's using significant power? That pin will provide power when running but the rectifier diodes inside will not be up for the task and burn out in short time. Just a thought as you've been going through alternators at high pace. I'd like to disconnect the lamp wire from the alternator with the engine running and see what happens. Note that the sense wire will have to stay connected if you have one. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Thomas Toernblom [tipo874(a)gmail.com] Sent: 3/10/2016 9:49:41 PM To: MikeLDrew(a)aol.com Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alternator blues.... Check the fat wire from B+ (or what it is called on the alt) to the ammeter. If there is a marginal connection there the voltage can fluctuate wildly and possibly kill semiconductors in the alt. > 3 okt. 2016 kl. 18:00 skrev Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com>: > > All, > > Further to my original inquiry, I failed to mention that this is a GM alternator with built-in regulator, running in the stock three-wire configuration. Normally it works normally--shows a somewhat strong charge for a short time after engine start, coming back down to slight charge when battery is 'full' again, with slight discharge at idle when fans, lights etc are on. > > When it starts acting up, initially the needle bounces erratically over a small range between slight charge and slight discharge. After a few minutes of that, it goes into greater discharge mode as it quits completely. > > Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 3, 2016, at 8:15, "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes(a)jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: >> >> Ditto. I put in 2 rebuilt units and they both failed. Finally bought >> a new one. >> No problem since. >> >> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, >> >> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" >> >> Terry W. Himes >> >> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory >> >> Dawn Spacecraft Team >> >> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead >> >> Phone: (818) 393-6261 >> >> Cell: (818) 653-8213 >> >> Fax: (818) 393-3147 >> >> [1]thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov >> >> From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf >> of Julian Kift <[3]julian_kift(a)hotmail.com> >> Date: Monday, October 3, 2016 6:57 AM >> To: "[4]MikeLDrew(a)aol.com" <[5]MikeLDrew(a)aol.com>, >> "[6]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" >> <[7]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alternator blues.... >> >> Mike, >> I hate chasing these type of electrical problems, but here's some >> thoughts; >> i) Battery going bad (how old is it?), requiring the alternator to have >> to constantly charge >> ii) Some alternator re builders are notorious for units failing, over a >> 50% failure rate is not uncommon. I had a similar issue with my GT40; >> on the third alternator we switched to a higher amp 'new' unit and >> never had a problem since. >> iii) It could also be an intermittent short or bad ground >> Julian >> ________________________________ >> From: DeTomaso <[8]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf >> of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[9]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> >> Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2016 9:11 PM >> To: [10]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Alternator blues.... >> Hi guys, >> Just got home from a terrific weekend in the Sierra foothills; 24 >> Panteras >> (of the 36 scheduled) took part in the Niello concours at Serrano. It >> heaved down with rain for a very brief period, but that rain then >> turned to snow >> which kept the large Reno/Tahoe contingent from braving the summit. >> Still, a great time was had by all who attended, and we drove home in >> splendid >> sunshine. >> We were driving in Lori's Pantera, which has a flat firewall kit and >> uses a >> GM alternator with built-in regulator. She drove the car to Vegas >> this >> spring, and the alternator failed while we were there. At first it >> started >> acting erratic, with the amp needle bouncing around, and then finally >> it quit >> and just showed a partial discharge. Testing at the battery revealed >> it >> was doing nothing at that point. We replaced it with another one, >> which did >> exactly the same thing and failed about 50 miles from home. >> We replaced THAT one, and the third one has worked fine until today. >> But >> it probably only has about 250 miles on it or so. On the way home, >> once >> again, I noticed the ammeter needle behaving erratically, then it quit >> and >> showed partial discharge for many miles, then briefly came back to life >> and >> showed a very strong charge (since we had been running on battery power >> for >> awhile), then discharged again. >> Methinks the problem is not simply that alternators are failing, but >> rather >> that there is some sort of fault in the electrical system. As >> electrons >> are far from my strong suit, I hesitate to start diving it to it >> blindly. >> What say all of you? >> FWIW we've got a spare alternator we will be installing tomorrow, which >> almost assuredly will work just fine...for awhile anyway???? >> Mike >> >> References >> >> 1. mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov >> 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com >> 3. mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com >> 4. mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com >> 5. mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com >> 6. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> 7. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> 8. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com >> 9. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> 10. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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Alternator
by rcbsons1＠aol.com 06 Oct '16

06 Oct '16

Mike, I just run a bigger pulley on the Alternator that way when you spin the motor up to 7500 rpm it does not fry itself:) I did have an issue with my firebird alternator but that is because it had an electric fuel pump, vac pump, elect water pump, two elect fans, msd so it was way overloaded...actually melted the inside See you at Thunderhill Bob Benson Mike, I just run a bigger pulley on the Alternator that way when you spin the motor up to 7500 rpm it does not fry itself:) I did have an issue with my firebird alternator but that is because it had an electric fuel pump, vac pump, elect water pump, two elect fans, msd so it was way overloaded...actually melted the inside See you at Thunderhill Bob Benson

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Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights - Stock replacement options?
by Tomas Gunnarsson 06 Oct '16

06 Oct '16

I wouldn't expect power draw to drop much for a given amount of light. Efficiency is what it is for a LED. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Guido deTomaso [guido_detomaso(a)prodigy.net] Sent: 30/9/2016 9:08:44 AM To: bill@incendium.com;scott@scottmeadphotography.com Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights - Stock replacement options? For a different application I've been looking at LED headlamps on eBay etc. Want to run six at once without killing the generator. >From what I've seen there are many drop in replacements for the standard 7" round sealed beam lights that used to be ubiquitous. For some reason Jeeps are always the target market, Vortex also only mentions the Jeep application by name: http://www.visionxusa.com/shop/7-vortex-led-headlight/ At the ~$50 price point, many different sellers on eBay appear to be selling the same offshore units, some have many LED's within the seven inch circle, others have 3-4 larger LED's. Halos/angel eyes, DRL's & amber built in turn signals are common variations. But often the power consumption on these is greater than the old sealed beams ... there appear to be heat sinks on the back and I wonder what the air circulation would be once installed in the typical bucket. This power consumption does not support my genius plan obviously. OTOH these visionx units at $419 ea. do appear to waste less power, consuming only 40 watts per the website. Expect I'll wait for the price, and power consumption, to fall. GD From: "bill(a)incendium.com" <bill(a)incendium.com> To: Scott Mead Photography <scott(a)scottmeadphotography.com> Cc: "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights - Stock replacement options? Will do Scott, later once its dark, we are having our Panteras Northwest Fall Cruise windup supper in Nelson BC. We have had a great trip from Seattle up here to a car show (700 cars). Great cats, great time, great friends. Cheers Bill Moore Calgary -------- Original message -------- From: Scott Mead Photography <scott(a)scottmeadphotography.com> Date: 2016-09-10 3:58 PM (GMT-08:00) To: bill(a)incendium.com Cc: Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com>, Brent Stewart <bjbstewart(a)yahoo.com>, detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights - Stock replacement options? Aloha Bill - any chance you have pictures you could share of the lights in action? I've installed Sylvania SilverStars all my vehicles, but I'm lucky if the bulbs last more than a year (I don't think they take too kindly to a lot of vibration). The Vortex LEDs sound like the optimum replacement. Mahalo, Scott Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 9, 2016, at 11:06 AM, "bill(a)incendium.com" <bill(a)incendium.com> wrote: > > We are having lunch in Spokane right now, I just sent Brent the info > about my LED lights. > > Www.visonxusa.com > > 7RD series > > Pt# 9891217 > > Item # XIL-7RD > > Cheers > Bill Moore > Calgary > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com> > Date: 2016-09-09 9:39 AM (GMT-08:00) > To: Brent Stewart <bjbstewart(a)yahoo.com>, Bill Moore > <bill(a)incendium.com>, detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights - Stock replacement options? > > Brent, > > Bill Moore replaced his with some LED drop in units and I have to say > they gave out an exceptional amount of light. > > I cannot recall the brand and he's on the PNW cruise this week and > I'm not sure if he is monitoring the list, so I copied him direct. > > Julian > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of > Brent Stewart via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > Sent: Friday, September 9, 2016 9:20 AM > To: DeTomaso List > Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights - Stock replacement options? > > .Howdy all,.Just getting ready for the Ironstone Concours coming up in > a few weeks, and I'd like to update the old headlights so I can drive > at night. I have the stock round ones, and would like to get something > that is a little more modern and brighter..I put these Halogens in my > 240Z and they seem to work > great:.http://www.blackdragonauto.com/Features/Z/ZEL1.htm > .Any reason they wouldn't fit the P-car? What else have y'all > used?.Thanks for your advice!!!.brent.. > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. I wouldn't expect power draw to drop much for a given amount of light. Efficiency is what it is for a LED. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Guido deTomaso [guido_detomaso(a)prodigy.net] Sent: 30/9/2016 9:08:44 AM To: bill@incendium.com;scott@scottmeadphotography.com Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights - Stock replacement options? For a different application I've been looking at LED headlamps on eBay etc. Want to run six at once without killing the generator. From what I've seen there are many drop in replacements for the standard 7" round sealed beam lights that used to be ubiquitous. For some reason Jeeps are always the target market, Vortex also only mentions the Jeep application by name: http://www.visionxusa.com/shop/7-vortex-led-headlight/ At the ~$50 price point, many different sellers on eBay appear to be selling the same offshore units, some have many LED's within the seven inch circle, others have 3-4 larger LED's. Halos/angel eyes, DRL's & amber built in turn signals are common variations. But often the power consumption on these is greater than the old sealed beams ... there appear to be heat sinks on the back and I wonder what the air circulation would be once installed in the typical bucket. This power consumption does not support my genius plan obviously. OTOH these visionx units at $419 ea. do appear to waste less power, consuming only 40 watts per the website. Expect I'll wait for the price, and power consumption, to fall. GD From: "bill(a)incendium.com" <bill(a)incendium.com> To: Scott Mead Photography <scott(a)scottmeadphotography.com> Cc: "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights - Stock replacement options? Will do Scott, later once its dark, we are having our Panteras Northwest Fall Cruise windup supper in Nelson BC. We have had a great trip from Seattle up here to a car show (700 cars). Great cats, great time, great friends. Cheers Bill Moore Calgary -------- Original message -------- From: Scott Mead Photography <scott(a)scottmeadphotography.com> Date: 2016-09-10 3:58 PM (GMT-08:00) To: bill(a)incendium.com Cc: Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com>, Brent Stewart <bjbstewart(a)yahoo.com>, detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights - Stock replacement options? Aloha Bill - any chance you have pictures you could share of the lights in action? I've installed Sylvania SilverStars all my vehicles, but I'm lucky if the bulbs last more than a year (I don't think they take too kindly to a lot of vibration). The Vortex LEDs sound like the optimum replacement. Mahalo, Scott Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 9, 2016, at 11:06 AM, "bill(a)incendium.com" <bill(a)incendium.com> wrote: > > We are having lunch in Spokane right now, I just sent Brent the info > about my LED lights. > > Www.visonxusa.com > > 7RD series > > Pt# 9891217 > > Item # XIL-7RD > > Cheers > Bill Moore > Calgary > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com> > Date: 2016-09-09 9:39 AM (GMT-08:00) > To: Brent Stewart <bjbstewart(a)yahoo.com>, Bill Moore > <bill(a)incendium.com>, detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights - Stock replacement options? > > Brent, > > Bill Moore replaced his with some LED drop in units and I have to say > they gave out an exceptional amount of light. > > I cannot recall the brand and he's on the PNW cruise this week and > I'm not sure if he is monitoring the list, so I copied him direct. > > Julian > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of > Brent Stewart via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > Sent: Friday, September 9, 2016 9:20 AM > To: DeTomaso List > Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights - Stock replacement options? > > .Howdy all,.Just getting ready for the Ironstone Concours coming up in > a few weeks, and I'd like to update the old headlights so I can drive > at night. I have the stock round ones, and would like to get something > that is a little more modern and brighter..I put these Halogens in my > 240Z and they seem to work > great:.http://www.blackdragonauto.com/Features/Z/ZEL1.htm > .Any reason they wouldn't fit the P-car? What else have y'all > used?.Thanks for your advice!!!.brent.. > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

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Pictures of the prototype
by Rob Dumoulin 06 Oct '16

06 Oct '16

On the photos Joseph sent, I noticed the rear gills appear in the typical gill areas on the sides but also appear on the inner verticals of the deck lid. Connecting the two to be functional seems a feasible. , but also seems to be a bad design that would let water into spaces of the trunk with no exits. Anybody know if these gills were open or just consmetic?. From: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf(a)embarqmail.com> Date: Sun, Oct 2, 2016 at 1:11 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Rear Window and Engine-Bay Cooling Fan To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Here is a photo of a prototype, hard to tell, but it does look like there was a rear glass. -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 23:12 PM To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] New Rear Window and Engine-Bay Cooling Fan For some time I have been thinking about installing a window in the opening behind 5332's engine compartment. Originally there was meant to be glass in the opening, but, according to Tom Tjaarda, there were overheating issues and the window glass was left out. .... Stephen Nelson _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. On the photos Joseph sent, I noticed the rear gills appear in the typical gill areas on the sides but also appear on the inner verticals of the deck lid.A Connecting the two to be functional seems a feasible. , but also seems to be a bad design that would let water into spaces of the trunk with no exits.A Anybody know if these gills were open or just consmetic?. From: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <[1]byrdjf(a)embarqmail.com> Date: Sun, Oct 2, 2016 at 1:11 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Rear Window and Engine-Bay Cooling Fan To: [2]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Here is a photo of a prototype, hard to tell, but it does look like there was a rear glass. -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[3]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 23:12 PM To: [4]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] New Rear Window and Engine-Bay Cooling Fan For some time I have been thinking about installing a window in the opening behind 5332's engine compartment.A Originally there was meant to be glass in the opening, but, according to Tom Tjaarda, there were overheating issues and the window glass was left out. .... Stephen Nelson _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [5]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com [6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:byrdjf@embarqmail.com 2. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 3. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com 4. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 5. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso

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Any Email Forum Members from Australia?
by Corey Price 05 Oct '16

05 Oct '16

I'd like to check availability of a specific Ford Falcon FPV Australia part from down under; any Aussies on this forum that would be willing to look for a FPV part for me? FPV is the Ford Performance arm of Ford in Australia. Corey I'd like to check availability of a specific Ford Falcon FPV Australia part from down under; any Aussies on this forum that would be willing to look for a FPV part for me?A FPV is the Ford Performance arm of Ford in Australia. Corey

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Alternator blues....
by MikeLDrew＠aol.com 05 Oct '16

05 Oct '16

Hi guys, Just got home from a terrific weekend in the Sierra foothills; 24 Panteras (of the 36 scheduled) took part in the Niello concours at Serrano. It heaved down with rain for a very brief period, but that rain then turned to snow which kept the large Reno/Tahoe contingent from braving the summit. Still, a great time was had by all who attended, and we drove home in splendid sunshine. We were driving in Lori's Pantera, which has a flat firewall kit and uses a GM alternator with built-in regulator. She drove the car to Vegas this spring, and the alternator failed while we were there. At first it started acting erratic, with the amp needle bouncing around, and then finally it quit and just showed a partial discharge. Testing at the battery revealed it was doing nothing at that point. We replaced it with another one, which did exactly the same thing and failed about 50 miles from home. We replaced THAT one, and the third one has worked fine until today. But it probably only has about 250 miles on it or so. On the way home, once again, I noticed the ammeter needle behaving erratically, then it quit and showed partial discharge for many miles, then briefly came back to life and showed a very strong charge (since we had been running on battery power for awhile), then discharged again. Methinks the problem is not simply that alternators are failing, but rather that there is some sort of fault in the electrical system. As electrons are far from my strong suit, I hesitate to start diving it to it blindly. What say all of you? FWIW we've got a spare alternator we will be installing tomorrow, which almost assuredly will work just fine...for awhile anyway???? Mike Hi guys, Just got home from a terrific weekend in the Sierra foothills; 24 Panteras (of the 36 scheduled) took part in the Niello concours at Serrano. It heaved down with rain for a very brief period, but that rain then turned to snow which kept the large Reno/Tahoe contingent from braving the summit. Still, a great time was had by all who attended, and we drove home in splendid sunshine. We were driving in Lori's Pantera, which has a flat firewall kit and uses a GM alternator with built-in regulator. She drove the car to Vegas this spring, and the alternator failed while we were there. At first it started acting erratic, with the amp needle bouncing around, and then finally it quit and just showed a partial discharge. Testing at the battery revealed it was doing nothing at that point. We replaced it with another one, which did exactly the same thing and failed about 50 miles from home. We replaced THAT one, and the third one has worked fine until today. But it probably only has about 250 miles on it or so. On the way home, once again, I noticed the ammeter needle behaving erratically, then it quit and showed partial discharge for many miles, then briefly came back to life and showed a very strong charge (since we had been running on battery power for awhile), then discharged again. Methinks the problem is not simply that alternators are failing, but rather that there is some sort of fault in the electrical system. As electrons are far from my strong suit, I hesitate to start diving it to it blindly. What say all of you? FWIW we've got a spare alternator we will be installing tomorrow, which almost assuredly will work just fine...for awhile anyway???? Mike

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Virus through FB from Charles Macall or Tommy Gunnerson
by bill gaino 04 Oct '16

04 Oct '16

If you are friends with either of these two, Don't open a Facebook messiger attachment acting like a video with your profile pic on it. Sombody got hacked. Bill 1362 https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fref=ts If you want it slick. www.slickpaint.com like us on facebook

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ZF ring & pinion and 5th
by mark skwarek 03 Oct '16

03 Oct '16

Looking for a 3.77 ring & pinion and ,655 5th gear. Mark Looking for a 3.77 ring & pinion and ,655 5th gear. Mark

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