October 2016 - DeTomaso - detomasolist.com

Pantera project - shell
by P K Spangler 10 Oct '16

10 Oct '16

Morning: Here is the bare naked Pantera, hoping I can find the right guy in Europe to take on the job. This is just after dipping (not acid) and now has been sitting for years with anti corrosion primer. Looking to source a crate 351Cleveland, and install a 48 IDA system on it or perhaps fuel injection. So thats the current education. Once the metal work is complete and the shell is painted it will be back into my skill area to complete. Cheers, Phil Stuttgart Morning: Here is the bare naked Pantera, hoping I can find the right guy in Europe to take on the job. This is just after dipping (not acid) and now has been sitting for years with anti corrosion primer. Looking to source a crate 351Cleveland, and install a 48 IDA system on it or perhaps fuel injection. So thats the current education. Once the metal work is complete and the shell is painted it will be back into my skill area to complete. Cheers, Phil Stuttgart unknown.jpg

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Bonnet / hood
by Michael Barnes 10 Oct '16

10 Oct '16

Hi chaps😜,I bought this on EBay earlier in the summer and wondered if any of you guys have any stories about it.Presumably taken from the remains of a racing a Pantera ,I wonder what happened to the rest,vin number,who was/ is Mario?? Anyone?

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Replacing engine mounts
by Danny Marmora 10 Oct '16

10 Oct '16

Hi i am after some information regarding replacing engine mounts on a Detomaso GTS Longchamp and gearbox mount thank you Dan Sent from my iPhone

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Joining the forum from Stuttgart
by B. SEIB 09 Oct '16

09 Oct '16

Welcome here Phil There are a bunch of very generous and knowledgeable people on this forum. It took me 13 years to get my 72 Pantera from a corpse to a driver. It would have been nearly impossible without the help I got here! Thanks again to all of you. You know who you are. Barry ____________________________________________________________________________ _______________________ P K Spangler amarathon at gmx.net Hello Gents: I am joining the forum from Stuttgart Germany. I have an old 1972 Pantera apart for many years and hopefully will get the metal work done and have it back on the road in the future. I am currently finishing a full restoration on a 1979 911SC. Best Regards - Phil Spangler

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Stuttgart 911SC
by P K Spangler 08 Oct '16

08 Oct '16

Begin forwarded message: Paul , et alia: Here is a pic of the engine. It is a 1979 911SC, the whole car looks as good as the engine compartment. Took the entire car apart and put it all back together, had the motor rebuilt to 3.2 L with Mahle cylinders and pistons, updated the cam shafts to S series and installed PMOs with MSD 6AL capacitive discharge system. So six wires to hook up this weekend and 5 gal of gas to put in the tank, it will be the first time she has started in many years. All of the old parts brackets etc were bead blasted and rezoned. The old wires cleaned and reconditioned. I can’t wait to start the Pantera project which is nothing more that a dipped shell at this time sitting with primer. Summer is over here in southern Germany and so just a few driving days left. Cheers Phil > From: Paul A Rimov <rimovp(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Joining the forum from Stuttgart > Date: October 7, 2016 at 7:16:08 PM GMT+2 > To: P K Spangler <amarathon(a)gmx.net> > > Do tell more about your 911 SC. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 7, 2016, at 6:45 AM, P K Spangler <amarathon(a)gmx.net> wrote: >> >> Hello Gents: >> I am joining the forum from Stuttgart Germany. I have an old 1972 Pantera apart for many years and hopefully will get the metal work done and have it back on the road in the future. >> I am currently finishing a full restoration on a 1979 911SC. >> Best Regards - Phil Spangler >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. unknown.jpg Begin forwarded message: Paul , et alia: Here is a pic of the engine. It is a 1979 911SC, the whole car looks as good as the engine compartment. Took the entire car apart and put it all back together, had the motor rebuilt to 3.2 L with Mahle cylinders and pistons, updated the cam shafts to S series and installed PMOs with MSD 6AL capacitive discharge system. So six wires to hook up this weekend and 5 gal of gas to put in the tank, it will be the first time she has started in many years. All of the old parts brackets etc were bead blasted and rezoned. The old wires cleaned and reconditioned. I can't wait to start the Pantera project which is nothing more that a dipped shell at this time sitting with primer. Summer is over here in southern Germany and so just a few driving days left. Cheers Phil From: Paul A Rimov <[1]rimovp(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Joining the forum from Stuttgart Date: October 7, 2016 at 7:16:08 PM GMT+2 To: P K Spangler <[2]amarathon(a)gmx.net> Do tell more about your 911 SC. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 7, 2016, at 6:45 AM, P K Spangler <[3]amarathon(a)gmx.net> wrote: Hello Gents: I am joining the forum from Stuttgart Germany. I have an old 1972 Pantera apart for many years and hopefully will get the metal work done and have it back on the road in the future. I am currently finishing a full restoration on a 1979 911SC. Best Regards - Phil Spangler _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [4]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:rimovp@gmail.com 2. mailto:amarathon@gmx.net 3. mailto:amarathon@gmx.net 4. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com

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Sept SSCC
by mark skwarek 08 Oct '16

08 Oct '16

My run at Silver State. You will note that my speed varies quite a bit do to overheating as can be seen on the temp gauge left of my chin. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akHsbvs_JWE&feature=youtu.be Come and join us in 2017 for the 30th Anniversary of the running of the Silver State Classic Challenge. Mark5461 My run at Silver State. You will note that my speed varies quite a bit do to overheating as can be seen on the temp gauge left of my chin. [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akHsbvs_JWE&feature=youtu.be Come and join us in 2017 for the 30th Anniversary of the running of the Silver State Classic Challenge. Mark 5461 References 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akHsbvs_JWE&feature=youtu.be

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Re: [DeTomaso] Alternator blues....
by Tomas Gunnarsson 08 Oct '16

08 Oct '16

The AC Delco 10si alternator has nine internal rectifier diodes, see attached pics. The main six diode rectifier bridge is top middle. The triple diode that powers the regulator is to the left of the ball bearing. This triple diode is also what turns off the alternator lamp. If you hook up a load between lamp terminal and ground this bridge will provide power to the load, something it's not designed to do. The result will be burnt out diodes in the diode trio and a loss of power to the regulator which in turn leads to loss of alternator output. Like you I think that the problem is the regulator but the question is why it keeps breaking. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Guido deTomaso [guido_detomaso(a)prodigy.net] Sent: 6/10/2016 6:01:07 PM To: guson@home.se;tipo874@gmail.com Cc: MikeLDrew@aol.com;detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alternator blues.... I'm lost ... the rectifier diodes, typically six, each transit roughly 1/3 of the alternators output. Collectively they transmit all the output power. Any loads added anywhere tax the diodes. OTOH, certain cars I'm aware of run many loads through the lamp circuit, bulb test in the example I'm familiar with, and some/many/most alternator voltage regulators can't handle the current. These require a special voltage regulator. Unlikely the root cause of the problem at hand ... my money is on bad regulator unfortunately inside the GM alternator not conveniently remote mounted. Or so it seems to me, I could be wrong. GD From: Tomas Gunnarsson <guson(a)home.se> To: tipo874(a)gmail.com Cc: MikeLDrew(a)aol.com; detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2016 11:55 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alternator blues.... If the marginal connection is between battery and ammeter it will fluctuate between zero and charge. If it's between alternator and ammeter it will fluctuate between charge and discharge. Right Thomas? Another thought: Have you by accident hooked anything up to the lamp post on the alternator (or the wire going between post and dashboard lamp) that's using significant power? That pin will provide power when running but the rectifier diodes inside will not be up for the task and burn out in short time. Just a thought as you've been going through alternators at high pace. I'd like to disconnect the lamp wire from the alternator with the engine running and see what happens. Note that the sense wire will have to stay connected if you have one. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Thomas Toernblom [tipo874(a)gmail.com] Sent: 3/10/2016 9:49:41 PM To: MikeLDrew(a)aol.com Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alternator blues.... Check the fat wire from B+ (or what it is called on the alt) to the ammeter. If there is a marginal connection there the voltage can fluctuate wildly and possibly kill semiconductors in the alt. > 3 okt. 2016 kl. 18:00 skrev Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com>: > > All, > > Further to my original inquiry, I failed to mention that this is a GM alternator with built-in regulator, running in the stock three-wire configuration. Normally it works normally--shows a somewhat strong charge for a short time after engine start, coming back down to slight charge when battery is 'full' again, with slight discharge at idle when fans, lights etc are on. > > When it starts acting up, initially the needle bounces erratically over a small range between slight charge and slight discharge. After a few minutes of that, it goes into greater discharge mode as it quits completely. > > Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 3, 2016, at 8:15, "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes(a)jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: >> >> Ditto. I put in 2 rebuilt units and they both failed. Finally bought >> a new one. >> No problem since. >> >> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, >> >> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" >> >> Terry W. Himes >> >> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory >> >> Dawn Spacecraft Team >> >> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead >> >> Phone: (818) 393-6261 >> >> Cell: (818) 653-8213 >> >> Fax: (818) 393-3147 >> >> [1]thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov >> >> From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf >> of Julian Kift <[3]julian_kift(a)hotmail.com> >> Date: Monday, October 3, 2016 6:57 AM >> To: "[4]MikeLDrew(a)aol.com" <[5]MikeLDrew(a)aol.com>, >> "[6]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" >> <[7]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alternator blues.... >> >> Mike, >> I hate chasing these type of electrical problems, but here's some >> thoughts; >> i) Battery going bad (how old is it?), requiring the alternator to have >> to constantly charge >> ii) Some alternator re builders are notorious for units failing, over a >> 50% failure rate is not uncommon. I had a similar issue with my GT40; >> on the third alternator we switched to a higher amp 'new' unit and >> never had a problem since. >> iii) It could also be an intermittent short or bad ground >> Julian >> ________________________________ >> From: DeTomaso <[8]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf >> of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[9]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> >> Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2016 9:11 PM >> To: [10]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Alternator blues.... >> Hi guys, >> Just got home from a terrific weekend in the Sierra foothills; 24 >> Panteras >> (of the 36 scheduled) took part in the Niello concours at Serrano. It >> heaved down with rain for a very brief period, but that rain then >> turned to snow >> which kept the large Reno/Tahoe contingent from braving the summit. >> Still, a great time was had by all who attended, and we drove home in >> splendid >> sunshine. >> We were driving in Lori's Pantera, which has a flat firewall kit and >> uses a >> GM alternator with built-in regulator. She drove the car to Vegas >> this >> spring, and the alternator failed while we were there. At first it >> started >> acting erratic, with the amp needle bouncing around, and then finally >> it quit >> and just showed a partial discharge. Testing at the battery revealed >> it >> was doing nothing at that point. We replaced it with another one, >> which did >> exactly the same thing and failed about 50 miles from home. >> We replaced THAT one, and the third one has worked fine until today. >> But >> it probably only has about 250 miles on it or so. On the way home, >> once >> again, I noticed the ammeter needle behaving erratically, then it quit >> and >> showed partial discharge for many miles, then briefly came back to life >> and >> showed a very strong charge (since we had been running on battery power >> for >> awhile), then discharged again. >> Methinks the problem is not simply that alternators are failing, but >> rather >> that there is some sort of fault in the electrical system. As >> electrons >> are far from my strong suit, I hesitate to start diving it to it >> blindly. >> What say all of you? >> FWIW we've got a spare alternator we will be installing tomorrow, which >> almost assuredly will work just fine...for awhile anyway???? >> Mike >> >> References >> >> 1. mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov >> 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com >> 3. mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com >> 4. mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com >> 5. mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com >> 6. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> 7. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> 8. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com >> 9. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> 10. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. . _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. The AC Delco 10si alternator has nine internal rectifier diodes, see attached pics. The main six diode rectifier bridge is top middle. The triple diode that powers the regulator is to the left of the ball bearing. This triple diode is also what turns off the alternator lamp. If you hook up a load between lamp terminal and ground this bridge will provide power to the load, something it's not designed to do. The result will be burnt out diodes in the diode trio and a loss of power to the regulator which in turn leads to loss of alternator output. Like you I think that the problem is the regulator but the question is why it keeps breaking. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Guido deTomaso [guido_detomaso(a)prodigy.net] Sent: 6/10/2016 6:01:07 PM To: guson@home.se;tipo874@gmail.com Cc: MikeLDrew@aol.com;detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alternator blues.... I'm lost ... the rectifier diodes, typically six, each transit roughly 1/3 of the alternators output. Collectively they transmit all the output power. Any loads added anywhere tax the diodes. OTOH, certain cars I'm aware of run many loads through the lamp circuit, bulb test in the example I'm familiar with, and some/many/most alternator voltage regulators can't handle the current. These require a special voltage regulator. Unlikely the root cause of the problem at hand ... my money is on bad regulator unfortunately inside the GM alternator not conveniently remote mounted. Or so it seems to me, I could be wrong. GD From: Tomas Gunnarsson <guson(a)home.se> To: tipo874(a)gmail.com Cc: MikeLDrew(a)aol.com; detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2016 11:55 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alternator blues.... If the marginal connection is between battery and ammeter it will fluctuate between zero and charge. If it's between alternator and ammeter it will fluctuate between charge and discharge. Right Thomas? Another thought: Have you by accident hooked anything up to the lamp post on the alternator (or the wire going between post and dashboard lamp) that's using significant power? That pin will provide power when running but the rectifier diodes inside will not be up for the task and burn out in short time. Just a thought as you've been going through alternators at high pace. I'd like to disconnect the lamp wire from the alternator with the engine running and see what happens. Note that the sense wire will have to stay connected if you have one. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Thomas Toernblom [tipo874(a)gmail.com] Sent: 3/10/2016 9:49:41 PM To: MikeLDrew(a)aol.com Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alternator blues.... Check the fat wire from B+ (or what it is called on the alt) to the ammeter. If there is a marginal connection there the voltage can fluctuate wildly and possibly kill semiconductors in the alt. > 3 okt. 2016 kl. 18:00 skrev Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com>: > > All, > > Further to my original inquiry, I failed to mention that this is a GM alternator with built-in regulator, running in the stock three-wire configuration. Normally it works normally--shows a somewhat strong charge for a short time after engine start, coming back down to slight charge when battery is 'full' again, with slight discharge at idle when fans, lights etc are on. > > When it starts acting up, initially the needle bounces erratically over a small range between slight charge and slight discharge. After a few minutes of that, it goes into greater discharge mode as it quits completely. > > Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 3, 2016, at 8:15, "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes(a)jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: >> >> Ditto. I put in 2 rebuilt units and they both failed. Finally bought >> a new one. >> No problem since. >> >> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, >> >> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" >> >> Terry W. Himes >> >> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory >> >> Dawn Spacecraft Team >> >> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead >> >> Phone: (818) 393-6261 >> >> Cell: (818) 653-8213 >> >> Fax: (818) 393-3147 >> >> [1]thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov >> >> From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf >> of Julian Kift <[3]julian_kift(a)hotmail.com> >> Date: Monday, October 3, 2016 6:57 AM >> To: "[4]MikeLDrew(a)aol.com" <[5]MikeLDrew(a)aol.com>, >> "[6]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" >> <[7]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alternator blues.... >> >> Mike, >> I hate chasing these type of electrical problems, but here's some >> thoughts; >> i) Battery going bad (how old is it?), requiring the alternator to have >> to constantly charge >> ii) Some alternator re builders are notorious for units failing, over a >> 50% failure rate is not uncommon. I had a similar issue with my GT40; >> on the third alternator we switched to a higher amp 'new' unit and >> never had a problem since. >> iii) It could also be an intermittent short or bad ground >> Julian >> ________________________________ >> From: DeTomaso <[8]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf >> of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[9]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> >> Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2016 9:11 PM >> To: [10]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Alternator blues.... >> Hi guys, >> Just got home from a terrific weekend in the Sierra foothills; 24 >> Panteras >> (of the 36 scheduled) took part in the Niello concours at Serrano. It >> heaved down with rain for a very brief period, but that rain then >> turned to snow >> which kept the large Reno/Tahoe contingent from braving the summit. >> Still, a great time was had by all who attended, and we drove home in >> splendid >> sunshine. >> We were driving in Lori's Pantera, which has a flat firewall kit and >> uses a >> GM alternator with built-in regulator. She drove the car to Vegas >> this >> spring, and the alternator failed while we were there. At first it >> started >> acting erratic, with the amp needle bouncing around, and then finally >> it quit >> and just showed a partial discharge. Testing at the battery revealed >> it >> was doing nothing at that point. We replaced it with another one, >> which did >> exactly the same thing and failed about 50 miles from home. >> We replaced THAT one, and the third one has worked fine until today. >> But >> it probably only has about 250 miles on it or so. On the way home, >> once >> again, I noticed the ammeter needle behaving erratically, then it quit >> and >> showed partial discharge for many miles, then briefly came back to life >> and >> showed a very strong charge (since we had been running on battery power >> for >> awhile), then discharged again. >> Methinks the problem is not simply that alternators are failing, but >> rather >> that there is some sort of fault in the electrical system. As >> electrons >> are far from my strong suit, I hesitate to start diving it to it >> blindly. >> What say all of you? >> FWIW we've got a spare alternator we will be installing tomorrow, which >> almost assuredly will work just fine...for awhile anyway???? >> Mike >> >> References >> >> 1. mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov >> 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com >> 3. mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com >> 4. mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com >> 5. mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com >> 6. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> 7. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> 8. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com >> 9. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> 10. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. . _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

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What a Sound! Four De Tomaso Pantera and Mangusta at Arosa Classic Car 2015
by Mike Drew 08 Oct '16

08 Oct '16

Hi guys, Gr4 replicas and a racing Mangusta at a hill climb in Switzerland last fall.... Check out this video on YouTube: https://youtu.be/ODGzSxYsCis Mike Sent from my iPad

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1974 De Tomaso Pantera Chevrolet Corvette Chase
by Mike Drew 08 Oct '16

08 Oct '16

Guys, Just discovered the movie "Challenge" starring a '72 or '73 L-model Pantera. Here is a long chase with a '72 Corvette (from the Spanish overdub version). Spoiler alert: Pantera wins, naturally, although it takes a bit of a beating in the process! Check out this video on YouTube: https://youtu.be/7F-Stm6q7ps Mike Sent from my iPad

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Joining the forum from Stuttgart
by P K Spangler 08 Oct '16

08 Oct '16

Hello Gents: I am joining the forum from Stuttgart Germany. I have an old 1972 Pantera apart for many years and hopefully will get the metal work done and have it back on the road in the future. I am currently finishing a full restoration on a 1979 911SC. Best Regards - Phil Spangler

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