[DeTomaso] Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Wednesday, June 19, 2024
Mark Charlton
pantera at homecharlton.ca
Fri Jun 21 10:29:05 EDT 2024
Completely agree Daryl,
What I have a hard time understanding is where people gain the confidence to think that they, having likely never designed ANYTHING, are better car designers than Giugiaro, Fioravanti, Tjaarda, Gandini etc.
Mark Charlton
pantera at homecharlton.ca
> On Jun 19, 2024, at 5:21 PM, Daryl Adams <daryl.architect at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ouch!!!A This only serves to reinforce the age old saying, "You know a
> design is nearing perfection when any modification you make only
> detracts."
>
> On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 12:50a-PM Mike Drew via DeTomaso
> <[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> A A All,
> A A Crimes against humanity here, yet the cars still realized
> impressive
> A A sales results.A The Ma vista achieved a surprisingly high
> result, while
> A A the Vallelunga sold for half the pre-auction estimate (yet
> still a very
> A A strong number considering how badly it was molested).
> A A A now-deceased Spanish enthusiast who evidently had a lot of
> money and
> A A zero taste or respect for his cars commissioned a shop to
> Kustomize not
> A A only a Mangusta, but also a Vallelunga!
> A A The results were pretty vile:
> A A image.png
> A A [1]1970 DeTomaso Mangusta Chassis no. 8MA1128
> A A [2][2]cars.bonhams.com
> A A image.png
> A A [3]1967 De Tomaso Vallelunga Chassis no. 807DT0106
> A A [4][3]cars.bonhams.com
> A A Both of these cars had the wheel wells extensively modified and
> flared
> A A to accommodate larger wheels with more radical offsets. I have
> no idea
> A A how much money was spent to ruin these cars, but it will cost a
> fortune
> A A to restore them.
> A A The owner didn't save all his attention for DeTomaso cars, as
> he also
> A A comprehensively ruined an Iso Grifo!
> A A image.png
> A A [5]1967 Iso Grifo GL Series I Custom Chassis no. GI720140
> A A [6][4]cars.bonhams.com
> A A When Panteras were cheap, and plentiful, many of them were
> subjected to
> A A similar treatment, but thankfully that trend seems to have all
> but died
> A A off as the value of unmolested cars continues to rise.
> A A It will be interesting to learn if the new buyers of these cars
> A A appreciates them as they are, or is only viewing them as
> platforms for
> A A restorations back to original specification?
> A A Mike
> A A Sent from my iPad
> A A Begin forwarded message:
> A A From: [5]info at hammerpricelive.com
> A A Date: June 19, 2024 at 09:56:26 PDT
> A A To: [6]MIKELDREW at aol.com
> A A Subject: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Wednesday, June 19,
> 2024
> A A Hammer Price : Auction Results In Real Time
> A A Portfolio Report Wednesday, June 19, 2024
> A A Mangusta
> A A 1.
> A A 1970 De Tomaso Sold $201,923 USD
> A A Mangusta EST. PRICE $193.33K-$268.51K USD
> A A EXTERIOR Rosso Corsa
> A A Bonhams|Cars
> A A INTERIOR Nero
> A A Lot 25A A The No Reserve Sale
> A A CHASSIS N-o 8MA1128
> A A June 18, 2024A A 8:23AM (EST)
> A A Vallelunga
> A A 1.
> A A 1967 De Tomaso Sold $161,645 USD
> A A Vallelunga EST. PRICE $268.51K-$375.92K USD
> A A EXTERIOR Red
> A A Bonhams|Cars
> A A INTERIOR Tan
> A A Lot 16A A The No Reserve Sale
> A A CHASSIS N-o 807DT0106
> A A June 18, 2024A A 8:28AM (EST)
> A A De Tomaso
> A A 1.
> A A 1970 De Tomaso Sold $201,923 USD
> A A Mangusta EST. PRICE $193.33K-$268.51K USD
> A A EXTERIOR Rosso Corsa
> A A Bonhams|Cars
> A A INTERIOR Nero
> A A Lot 25A A The No Reserve Sale
> A A CHASSIS N-o 8MA1128
> A A June 18, 2024A A 8:23AM (EST)
> A A 2.
> A A 1967 De Tomaso Sold $161,645 USD
> A A Vallelunga EST. PRICE $268.51K-$375.92K USD
> A A EXTERIOR Red
> A A Bonhams|Cars
> A A INTERIOR Tan
> A A Lot 16A A The No Reserve Sale
> A A CHASSIS N-o 807DT0106
> A A June 18, 2024A A 8:28AM (EST)
> A A Too much mail? Adjust your Hammer Price notification
> preferences in the
> A A app using Settings.
> A A (c) 2024 Live Auction Results, LLC
> References
> A A Visible links
> A A 1.
> [7]https://cars.bonhams.com/auction/30526/lot/25/1970-detomaso-mangu
> sta-chassis-no-8ma1128/
> A A 2.
> [8]https://cars.bonhams.com/auction/30526/lot/25/1970-detomaso-mangu
> sta-chassis-no-8ma1128/
> A A 3.
> [9]https://cars.bonhams.com/auction/30526/lot/16/1967-de-tomaso-vall
> elunga-chassis-no-807dt0106/
> A A 4.
> [10]https://cars.bonhams.com/auction/30526/lot/16/1967-de-tomaso-val
> lelunga-chassis-no-807dt0106/
> A A 5.
> [11]https://cars.bonhams.com/auction/30526/lot/27/1967-iso-grifo-gl-
> series-i-custom-chassis-no-gi720140/
> A A 6.
> [12]https://cars.bonhams.com/auction/30526/lot/27/1967-iso-grifo-gl-
> series-i-custom-chassis-no-gi720140/
> A A Hidden links:
> A A 8.
> [13]https://cars.bonhams.com/auction/30526/lot/25/1970-detomaso-mang
> usta-chassis-no-8ma1128/
> A A 9.
> [14]https://cars.bonhams.com/auction/30526/lot/16/1967-de-tomaso-val
> lelunga-chassis-no-807dt0106/
> A 10.
> [15]https://cars.bonhams.com/auction/30526/lot/27/1967-iso-grifo-gl-
> series-i-custom-chassis-no-gi720140/
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> 2. http://cars.bonhams.com/
> 3. http://cars.bonhams.com/
> 4. http://cars.bonhams.com/
> 5. mailto:info at hammerpricelive.com
> 6. mailto:MIKELDREW at aol.com
> 7. https://cars.bonhams.com/auction/30526/lot/25/1970-detomaso-mangusta-chassis-no-8ma1128/
> 8. https://cars.bonhams.com/auction/30526/lot/25/1970-detomaso-mangusta-chassis-no-8ma1128/
> 9. https://cars.bonhams.com/auction/30526/lot/16/1967-de-tomaso-vallelunga-chassis-no-807dt0106/
> 10. https://cars.bonhams.com/auction/30526/lot/16/1967-de-tomaso-vallelunga-chassis-no-807dt0106/
> 11. https://cars.bonhams.com/auction/30526/lot/27/1967-iso-grifo-gl-series-i-custom-chassis-no-gi720140/
> 12. https://cars.bonhams.com/auction/30526/lot/27/1967-iso-grifo-gl-series-i-custom-chassis-no-gi720140/
> 13. https://cars.bonhams.com/auction/30526/lot/25/1970-detomaso-mangusta-chassis-no-8ma1128/
> 14. https://cars.bonhams.com/auction/30526/lot/16/1967-de-tomaso-vallelunga-chassis-no-807dt0106/
> 15. https://cars.bonhams.com/auction/30526/lot/27/1967-iso-grifo-gl-series-i-custom-chassis-no-gi720140/
> 16. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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Completely agree Daryl,
What I have a hard time understanding is where people gain the
confidence to think that they, having likely never designed ANYTHING,
are better car designers than Giugiaro, Fioravanti, Tjaarda, Gandini
etc.
Mark Charlton
pantera at homecharlton.ca
On Jun 19, 2024, at 5:21PM, Daryl Adams <daryl.architect at gmail.com>
wrote:
Ouch!!!A This only serves to reinforce the age old saying, "You know
a
design is nearing perfection when any modification you make only
detracts."
On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 12:50a-PM Mike Drew via DeTomaso
<[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
A A All,
A A Crimes against humanity here, yet the cars still realized
impressive
A A sales results.A The Ma vista achieved a surprisingly high
result, while
A A the Vallelunga sold for half the pre-auction estimate (yet
still a very
A A strong number considering how badly it was molested).
A A A now-deceased Spanish enthusiast who evidently had a lot of
money and
A A zero taste or respect for his cars commissioned a shop to
Kustomize not
A A only a Mangusta, but also a Vallelunga!
A A The results were pretty vile:
A A image.png
A A [1]1970 DeTomaso Mangusta Chassis no. 8MA1128
A A [2][2]cars.bonhams.com
A A image.png
A A [3]1967 De Tomaso Vallelunga Chassis no. 807DT0106
A A [4][3]cars.bonhams.com
A A Both of these cars had the wheel wells extensively modified
and
flared
A A to accommodate larger wheels with more radical offsets. I have
no idea
A A how much money was spent to ruin these cars, but it will cost
a
fortune
A A to restore them.
A A The owner didn't save all his attention for DeTomaso cars, as
he also
A A comprehensively ruined an Iso Grifo!
A A image.png
A A [5]1967 Iso Grifo GL Series I Custom Chassis no. GI720140
A A [6][4]cars.bonhams.com
A A When Panteras were cheap, and plentiful, many of them were
subjected to
A A similar treatment, but thankfully that trend seems to have all
but died
A A off as the value of unmolested cars continues to rise.
A A It will be interesting to learn if the new buyers of these
cars
A A appreciates them as they are, or is only viewing them as
platforms for
A A restorations back to original specification?
A A Mike
A A Sent from my iPad
A A Begin forwarded message:
A A From: [5]info at hammerpricelive.com
A A Date: June 19, 2024 at 09:56:26 PDT
A A To: [6]MIKELDREW at aol.com
A A Subject: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Wednesday, June 19,
2024
A A Hammer Price : Auction Results In Real Time
A A Portfolio Report Wednesday, June 19, 2024
A A Mangusta
A A 1.
A A 1970 De Tomaso Sold $201,923 USD
A A Mangusta EST. PRICE $193.33K-$268.51K USD
A A EXTERIOR Rosso Corsa
A A Bonhams|Cars
A A INTERIOR Nero
A A Lot 25A A The No Reserve Sale
A A CHASSIS N-o 8MA1128
A A June 18, 2024A A 8:23AM (EST)
A A Vallelunga
A A 1.
A A 1967 De Tomaso Sold $161,645 USD
A A Vallelunga EST. PRICE $268.51K-$375.92K USD
A A EXTERIOR Red
A A Bonhams|Cars
A A INTERIOR Tan
A A Lot 16A A The No Reserve Sale
A A CHASSIS N-o 807DT0106
A A June 18, 2024A A 8:28AM (EST)
A A De Tomaso
A A 1.
A A 1970 De Tomaso Sold $201,923 USD
A A Mangusta EST. PRICE $193.33K-$268.51K USD
A A EXTERIOR Rosso Corsa
A A Bonhams|Cars
A A INTERIOR Nero
A A Lot 25A A The No Reserve Sale
A A CHASSIS N-o 8MA1128
A A June 18, 2024A A 8:23AM (EST)
A A 2.
A A 1967 De Tomaso Sold $161,645 USD
A A Vallelunga EST. PRICE $268.51K-$375.92K USD
A A EXTERIOR Red
A A Bonhams|Cars
A A INTERIOR Tan
A A Lot 16A A The No Reserve Sale
A A CHASSIS N-o 807DT0106
A A June 18, 2024A A 8:28AM (EST)
A A Too much mail? Adjust your Hammer Price notification
preferences in the
A A app using Settings.
A A (c) 2024 Live Auction Results, LLC
References
A A Visible links
A A 1.
[7]https://cars.bonhams.com/auction/30526/lot/25/1970-detomaso-mang
u
sta-chassis-no-8ma1128/
A A 2.
[8]https://cars.bonhams.com/auction/30526/lot/25/1970-detomaso-mang
u
sta-chassis-no-8ma1128/
A A 3.
[9]https://cars.bonhams.com/auction/30526/lot/16/1967-de-tomaso-val
l
elunga-chassis-no-807dt0106/
A A 4.
[10]https://cars.bonhams.com/auction/30526/lot/16/1967-de-tomaso-va
l
lelunga-chassis-no-807dt0106/
A A 5.
[11]https://cars.bonhams.com/auction/30526/lot/27/1967-iso-grifo-gl
-
series-i-custom-chassis-no-gi720140/
A A 6.
[12]https://cars.bonhams.com/auction/30526/lot/27/1967-iso-grifo-gl
-
series-i-custom-chassis-no-gi720140/
A A Hidden links:
A A 8.
[13]https://cars.bonhams.com/auction/30526/lot/25/1970-detomaso-man
g
usta-chassis-no-8ma1128/
A A 9.
[14]https://cars.bonhams.com/auction/30526/lot/16/1967-de-tomaso-va
l
lelunga-chassis-no-807dt0106/
A 10.
[15]https://cars.bonhams.com/auction/30526/lot/27/1967-iso-grifo-gl
-
series-i-custom-chassis-no-gi720140/
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2. http://cars.bonhams.com/
3. http://cars.bonhams.com/
4. http://cars.bonhams.com/
5. mailto:info at hammerpricelive.com
6. mailto:MIKELDREW at aol.com
7.
https://cars.bonhams.com/auction/30526/lot/25/1970-detomaso-mangusta-ch
assis-no-8ma1128/
8.
https://cars.bonhams.com/auction/30526/lot/25/1970-detomaso-mangusta-ch
assis-no-8ma1128/
9.
https://cars.bonhams.com/auction/30526/lot/16/1967-de-tomaso-vallelunga
-chassis-no-807dt0106/
10.
https://cars.bonhams.com/auction/30526/lot/16/1967-de-tomaso-vallelunga
-chassis-no-807dt0106/
11.
https://cars.bonhams.com/auction/30526/lot/27/1967-iso-grifo-gl-series-
i-custom-chassis-no-gi720140/
12.
https://cars.bonhams.com/auction/30526/lot/27/1967-iso-grifo-gl-series-
i-custom-chassis-no-gi720140/
13.
https://cars.bonhams.com/auction/30526/lot/25/1970-detomaso-mangusta-ch
assis-no-8ma1128/
14.
https://cars.bonhams.com/auction/30526/lot/16/1967-de-tomaso-vallelunga
-chassis-no-807dt0106/
15.
https://cars.bonhams.com/auction/30526/lot/27/1967-iso-grifo-gl-series-
i-custom-chassis-no-gi720140/
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