[DeTomaso] $67,500 Pantera on ebay
Paul M. Hoffman
paulmhoffman at yahoo.com
Sun Oct 30 21:57:05 EDT 2022
Dear Pantera friends and fellow owners,
I'm a professional classic car buyer for one of the biggest classic car dealerships in the world.
Based on my experience there is absolutely no reason to doubt the integrity of Peter Kumar and or his business Gullwing Motor Cars.
I general I would advice not to disqualify or make comments in a semi public domain like ours about other people or their businesses unless it can be substantiated. But even then I think it is to be preferred to resolve ones issues directly with the party involved.
Paul Hoffman
Paul M. Hoffman
3416 Los Pinos Drive
CA 93105 Santa BarbaraUnited States of America1 805 455 5151
On Friday, October 28, 2022, 10:58:04 PM PDT, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
With all due respect, I'm not sure what relevance their purchase price
has on the current value, they are in business to make a profit. The
question is what it is worth in the current market and that is best
determined with a full PPI, and then it is to be seen whether that
price can be negotiated.
I purchased my first Pantera from Gullwing, I have no complaints. It
had some damage, and I asked enough questions and got detailed photos
to know what I was buying and negotiated a price I thought was fair
market value. Gullwing were accommodating, open and honest in that
transaction, in fact one could probably cite as many if not more
purchases at major collector auctions that have resulted in bitter
disappointment than those from Gullwing. Bottom feeders have a place,
mostly in Scottsdale....
Julian
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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
Mark Peterson via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2022 2:57 PM
To: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>
Cc: Detomaso Email List <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] $67,500 Pantera on ebay
Agree. Run the opposite direction while pausing setting up Claymore's
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 28, 2022, at 2:42 PM, MICHAEL DREW via DeTomaso
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> These guys are the worst of the worst of bottom feeders, along with
Beverley Hills Car Club. They probably paid $25k for it!
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 28, 2022, at 13:03, Kurt Byrnes <kdb at kbyrnes.com> wrote:
>>
>> Gullwing Motors has a long history of selling cars that are in VERY
bad condition. Chances are there is significant rust.
>>
>>
>>
>>>> On 10/28/2022 1:48 PM, Ken Green via DeTomaso wrote:
>>> Seems priced low:
>>>
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>>> Is the economy pushing priced down?
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>> 1.
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Dear Pantera friends and fellow owners,
I'm a professional classic car buyer for one of the biggest classic car
dealerships in the world.
Based on my experience there is absolutely no reason to doubt the
integrity of Peter Kumar and or his business Gullwing Motor Cars.
I general I would advice not to disqualify or make comments in a semi
public domain like ours about other people or their businesses unless
it can be substantiated. But even then I think it is to be preferred to
resolve ones issues directly with the party involved.
Paul Hoffman
Paul M. Hoffman
3416 Los Pinos Drive
CA 93105 Santa Barbara
United States of America
1 805 455 5151
On Friday, October 28, 2022, 10:58:04 PM PDT, Julian Kift
<julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
With all due respect, I'm not sure what relevance their purchase
price
has on the current value, they are in business to make a profit. The
question is what it is worth in the current market and that is best
determined with a full PPI, and then it is to be seen whether that
price can be negotiated.
I purchased my first Pantera from Gullwing, I have no complaints. It
had some damage, and I asked enough questions and got detailed photos
to know what I was buying and negotiated a price I thought was fair
market value. Gullwing were accommodating, open and honest in that
transaction, in fact one could probably cite as many if not more
purchases at major collector auctions that have resulted in bitter
disappointment than those from Gullwing. Bottom feeders have a place,
mostly in Scottsdale....
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <[1]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf of
Mark Peterson via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2022 2:57 PM
To: MICHAEL DREW <[3]mikeldrew at aol.com>
Cc: Detomaso Email List <[4]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] $67,500 Pantera on ebay
Agree. Run the opposite direction while pausing setting up Claymore's
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 28, 2022, at 2:42 PM, MICHAEL DREW via DeTomaso
<[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> These guys are the worst of the worst of bottom feeders, along with
Beverley Hills Car Club. They probably paid $25k for it!
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 28, 2022, at 13:03, Kurt Byrnes <[6]kdb at kbyrnes.com> wrote:
>>
>> Gullwing Motors has a long history of selling cars that are in
VERY
bad condition. Chances are there is significant rust.
>>
>>
>>
>>>> On 10/28/2022 1:48 PM, Ken Green via DeTomaso wrote:
>>> Seems priced low:
>>>
[1][7]https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2
Fww
w.ebay.com%2Fitm%2F275511694159&data=05%7C01%7C%7C821dd35dd96e4343f
4d408dab92f64da%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6380259104
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LpUrZ4tkrDDWQjDFJvbwylNXkSHn4%3D&reserved=0
>>> Is the economy pushing priced down?
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>> 1.
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