[DeTomaso] $67,500 Pantera on ebay
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audionut at hushmail.com
Mon Oct 31 14:33:44 EDT 2022
Fair enough, sir! In my estimation a certain respect is due--
selling collectible GT's that are in questionable shape and getting
top dollar is indeed an art.
In general, I would "advice" to take heed of all comments made here by
all of our highly respected, knowledgeable Pantera guys.
-------------------------- Buyer horror stories abound within the
Pantera community. Deadly flaws in this car can be cheaply and easily
hidden by unscrupulous sellers. Suffice it to say a Pantera purchase
should not be casually undertaken?
If certain sellers have gained a dubious reputation amongst the crowd
here, one can rest assured there is a reason.
However, at any given time that reason may no longer exist? All due
respect to Peter. As we all know, a maligned reputation spread by
word of mouth over the years can be difficult, if not impossible to
remedy:
_"Don't buy a Pantera. Fords' redneck supercar. They overheat and
you can't fit inside one if you are over 5' 9"._ This bit of nonsense
persists to this day.
The reality I discovered is that a Pantera is a roaring good time that
delivers on the promise of its' wicked looks well beyond what one pays
for it. If you get a good one, that is.
The general consensus: A buyer would be wise to avoid the cars that
so-called "snooty" guys have passed on.
Sent using Hushmail
On 10/30/2022 at 6:57 PM, "Paul M. Hoffman via DeTomaso" wrote:Dear
Pantera friends and fellow owners,
I'm a professional classic car buyer for one of the biggest classic
car dealerships in the world.
Based on my experience there is absolutely no reason to doubt the
integrity of Peter Kumar and or his business Gullwing Motor Cars.
I general I would advice not to disqualify or make comments in a semi
public domain like ours about other people or their businesses unless
it can be substantiated. But even then I think it is to be preferred
to resolve ones issues directly with the party involved.
Paul Hoffman
Paul M. Hoffman
3416 Los Pinos Drive
CA 93105 Santa BarbaraUnited States of America1 805 455 5151
On Friday, October 28, 2022, 10:58:04 PM PDT, Julian Kift wrote:
With all due respect, I'm not sure what relevance their purchase
price
has on the current value, they are in business to make a profit. The
question is what it is worth in the current market and that is best
determined with a full PPI, and then it is to be seen whether that
price can be negotiated.
I purchased my first Pantera from Gullwing, I have no complaints. It
had some damage, and I asked enough questions and got detailed
photos
to know what I was buying and negotiated a price I thought was fair
market value. Gullwing were accommodating, open and honest in that
transaction, in fact one could probably cite as many if not more
purchases at major collector auctions that have resulted in bitter
disappointment than those from Gullwing. Bottom feeders have a
place,
mostly in Scottsdale....
Julian
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From: DeTomaso on behalf of
Mark Peterson via DeTomaso
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2022 2:57 PM
To: MICHAEL DREW
Cc: Detomaso Email List
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] $67,500 Pantera on ebay
Agree. Run the opposite direction while pausing setting up
Claymore's
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 28, 2022, at 2:42 PM, MICHAEL DREW via DeTomaso
wrote:
>
> These guys are the worst of the worst of bottom feeders, along
with
Beverley Hills Car Club. They probably paid $25k for it!
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 28, 2022, at 13:03, Kurt Byrnes wrote:
>>
>> Gullwing Motors has a long history of selling cars that are in
VERY
bad condition. Chances are there is significant rust.
>>
>>
>>
>>>> On 10/28/2022 1:48 PM, Ken Green via DeTomaso wrote:
>>> Seems priced low:
>>>
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Fair enough, sir! In my estimation a certain respect is due-- selling
collectible GT's that are in questionable shape and getting top dollar
is indeed an art.
In general, I would "advice" to take heed of all comments made here by
all of our highly respected, knowledgeable Pantera guys.
--------------------------
Buyer horror stories abound within the Pantera community. Deadly flaws
in this car can be cheaply and easily hidden by unscrupulous sellers.
Suffice it to say a Pantera purchase should not be casually undertaken?
If certain sellers have gained a dubious reputation amongst the crowd
here, one can rest assured there is a reason.
However, at any given time that reason may no longer exist? All due
respect to Peter.
As we all know, a maligned reputation spread by word of mouth over the
years can be difficult, if not impossible to remedy:
"Don't buy a Pantera. Fords' redneck supercar. They overheat and you
can't fit inside one if you are over 5' 9". This bit of nonsense
persists to this day.
The reality I discovered is that a Pantera is a roaring good time that
delivers on the promise of its' wicked looks well beyond what one pays
for it.
If you get a good one, that is.
The general consensus: A buyer would be wise to avoid the cars that
so-called "snooty" guys have passed on.
Sent using Hushmail
On 10/30/2022 at 6:57 PM, "Paul M. Hoffman via DeTomaso"
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Dear Pantera friends and fellow owners,
I'm a professional classic car buyer for one of the biggest classic
car dealerships in the world.
Based on my experience there is absolutely no reason to doubt the
integrity of Peter Kumar and or his business Gullwing Motor Cars.
I general I would advice not to disqualify or make comments in a
semi public domain like ours about other people or their businesses
unless it can be substantiated. But even then I think it is to be
preferred to resolve ones issues directly with the party involved.
Paul Hoffman
Paul M. Hoffman
3416 Los Pinos Drive
CA 93105 Santa BarbaraUnited States of America1 805 455 5151
On Friday, October 28, 2022, 10:58:04 PM PDT, Julian Kift
<julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
With all due respect, I'm not sure what relevance their purchase
price
has on the current value, they are in business to make a profit.
The
question is what it is worth in the current market and that is
best
determined with a full PPI, and then it is to be seen whether that
price can be negotiated.
I purchased my first Pantera from Gullwing, I have no complaints.
It
had some damage, and I asked enough questions and got detailed
photos
to know what I was buying and negotiated a price I thought was
fair
market value. Gullwing were accommodating, open and honest in that
transaction, in fact one could probably cite as many if not more
purchases at major collector auctions that have resulted in bitter
disappointment than those from Gullwing. Bottom feeders have a
place,
mostly in Scottsdale....
Julian
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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf of
Mark Peterson via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2022 2:57 PM
To: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>
Cc: Detomaso Email List <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] $67,500 Pantera on ebay
Agree. Run the opposite direction while pausing setting up
Claymore's
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 28, 2022, at 2:42 PM, MICHAEL DREW via DeTomaso
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> These guys are the worst of the worst of bottom feeders, along
with
Beverley Hills Car Club. They probably paid $25k for it!
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 28, 2022, at 13:03, Kurt Byrnes <kdb at kbyrnes.com> wrote:
>>
>> Gullwing Motors has a long history of selling cars that are in
VERY
bad condition. Chances are there is significant rust.
>>
>>
>>
>>>> On 10/28/2022 1:48 PM, Ken Green via DeTomaso wrote:
>>> Seems priced low:
>>>
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>>>
>>> References
>>>
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