[DeTomaso] No Pantera Content / Elect, Cars

[Will Kooiman]

The battery life/cost turned me off.  Even if you take it to the extreme (my Honda Insight), it would still have been cheaper to buy a normal compact.

The car was $20K in 2006.  The battery replacement cost at the dealer was $4K, and it would last about 70,000 miles.

When the car was new, it would do about 75mpg.  When the battery was dead, it would do about 55-60mpg.  As the car aged, it lost about 5-10mpg.  The lifetime mpg was something like 55mpg for 250K miles and 4 battery packs (replaced 3 times, and the last one was dead when we traded it in).

The battery part of the hybrid added about 15-20mpg.  It was drivable with a dead battery, but it was really slow.

This was with a lithium-ion battery pack, and unless I'm missing something, the current "improved" battery is still a lithium-ion battery.  Maybe they are calling 70K miles unlimited life.

That being said, I recently rode in a friend's Tesla Model S dual motor.  It is impressive.  I would love to have one - but not because it's cheaper or because it's better for the environment.

On 11/20/22, 12:17 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jeff Detrich" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:

       Agree that there are many differentA perspectives and anecdotal
       evidence,A as there shouldA be. My take is that development of EVs and
       development of the electric grid to support them need to happen in
       parallel. Doing everything linearly will take too much time. And one
       thing that is really helping is technological advancement inA the
       competitive free market sector, esp for batteries. Repairable
       batteries, quick charge batteries, cheaper batteries, less rare metal
       batteries, higher capacity batteries, renewableA energy storage
       batteries are all on the horizon. Expect hiccups along the way.A  But
       in the meantime, if you can't justify the technology now, hybrids might
       be an alternative. A friend in Phoenix bought a Lexus NX hybrid SUV
       late last year and is getting over 40 mpg in town vs 26 in the
       non-hybrid.
       Jeff
       6559

       On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 3:41 PM Ken Green via DeTomaso
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         A  A I wonder if we will ever hear the truth any more?A  Listening
         to both
         A  A sides, it sounds like one is in an alternative universe.A  It
         seems like
         A  A electric cars can be a good thing for people with a short
         enough
         A  A commute to do it all electric, but will the saving on gas ever
         make up
         A  A for the high initial cost?A  I'm driving a car I bought 3 years
         old off
         A  A a lease, and it has cost me a fraction of the cost of an EV,
         but I only
         A  A commute about 50 miles a week. An EV would never be cost
         effective for
         A  A me.
         A  A The batteries are claimed to last almost forever, but why do
         they last
         A  A so long in a car, but not in anything else?A  Is it the better
         A  A management?A  All the rechargeable lithium battery tools I have
         seem to
         A  A have have specific charging strategies, and say the batteries
         don't
         A  A like heat.A  Does this apply to EVs, and if you live in Phoenix
         the
         A  A batteries will have a short life?
         A  A A friends hybrid battery failed, and even a rebuilt battery was
         A  A expensive.A  With synthetic oil, my past and present cars seem
         to run
         A  A for every, just a rebuilt transmission at 100,000 miles, half
         the $s of
         A  A a rebuilt EV battery.
         A  A I don't know if this is a reliable souse, but maybe?
         A
         A [1][2]https://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/ev-battery-replac
         ement-co
         A  A st.html
         A  A On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 06:45:35 AM PST, B Hower via
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         A [2][4]https://twitter.com/duty2warn/status/1593613166172246017?s=2
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