[DeTomaso] 3 Wire ALT REWIRE Instructions/Help!?

Forest Goodhart forestg at att.net
Mon Mar 28 00:25:52 EDT 2022


 Steve,Attached is the most common wiring for the 3G alternator. If you want the most accurate sensing location I suggest the ammeter connection, load side but either will work. I sense at the battery connection on the alternator and it seems to work fine.Forest
    On Sunday, March 27, 2022, 05:25:52 PM PDT, Steve Liebenow <steven.liebenow at att.net> wrote:  
 
   Hey all!
  Ready to go about installing firewall bump reduction, and need some
  help with prior alt wiring.
  My 74 came to me with a late model Ford 3G(?) 3 wire alternator
  installed, and a messed up glob of wires at the alt area on the rear of
  the firewall behind the passenger seat.  I "reduced the mess" to
  acceptable but paid no heed to "what is correct".  Presumed that it was
  connected properly.....    Car runs, battery charges, alt gauge
  flutters sometimes......  I want to confirm that the load sensing is
  being done properly.
  Then I read an article which Mike D sent me from MAD enterprises with a
  great explanation about why we want to use a 3 wire alt, (with onboard
  regulator), vs a real life "1-wire" alternator which really is only
  good for something like a tractor or a remote generator where there are
  NO accessories.
  The article explains remote sensing and how it is important to under
  stand "where" to connect wires to that alternator is given a realistic
  reading of "load".  Typically this would be more of a common point in
  the main feed harness that is some distance away from the alternator.
  You could sense directly at the alternator, or even the battery, but
  that isn't preferred either way.
  So I looked at the wiring diagrams and see a junction #1 on SOBills
  excellent adventure in electrical diagrams, but no idea exactly where
  this is!    The of course we have two distribution panels of sorts,
  left of dash and right of dash.  Who's on first!
  SO, main alt out wire connects normally to large wire which heads off
  somewhere.....fuse panels and ign switch.  Remote sensing wire
  connects to "a point far far away" (but not sure which lead this is on
  my late model Ford 3G(?) alternator......and then there is one more
  terminal that I have no idea what/where it goes.... perhaps an exciter
  voltage to turn on alt??    That takes care of the three alt wires, but
  that doesn't help with what appears to be an old 4th wire that feeds
  the dash bulb indicator......
  I believe that Hall sold this alt years back, but I found no paperwork
  with it in the PO's records.... No idea who installed it
  either.......so kinda stuck!
  The GM type 3 wire alt is also lacking clear instructions, in the
  instructions......so no help there with the reduction kit.  ( Small
  amount of work needed here.....)  It really appears to have been
  written early on for directly using original alternator.....but some
  crossed wires with the late model application, which falls short of
  calling out connections at all.
  Anyone running 3G alt that can comment??????
  Thanks in advance!
  Steve
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   Steve,
   Attached is the most common wiring for the 3G alternator. If you want
   the most accurate sensing location I suggest the ammeter connection,
   load side but either will work. I sense at the battery connection on
   the alternator and it seems to work fine.
   Forest

   On Sunday, March 27, 2022, 05:25:52 PM PDT, Steve Liebenow
   <steven.liebenow at att.net> wrote:
     Hey all!
     Ready to go about installing firewall bump reduction, and need some
     help with prior alt wiring.
     My 74 came to me with a late model Ford 3G(?) 3 wire alternator
     installed, and a messed up glob of wires at the alt area on the rear
   of
     the firewall behind the passenger seat.  I "reduced the mess" to
     acceptable but paid no heed to "what is correct".  Presumed that it
   was
     connected properly.....    Car runs, battery charges, alt gauge
     flutters sometimes......  I want to confirm that the load sensing is
     being done properly.
     Then I read an article which Mike D sent me from MAD enterprises with
   a
     great explanation about why we want to use a 3 wire alt, (with
   onboard
     regulator), vs a real life "1-wire" alternator which really is only
     good for something like a tractor or a remote generator where there
   are
     NO accessories.
     The article explains remote sensing and how it is important to under
     stand "where" to connect wires to that alternator is given a
   realistic
     reading of "load".  Typically this would be more of a common point in
     the main feed harness that is some distance away from the alternator.
     You could sense directly at the alternator, or even the battery, but
     that isn't preferred either way.
     So I looked at the wiring diagrams and see a junction #1 on SOBills
     excellent adventure in electrical diagrams, but no idea exactly where
     this is!    The of course we have two distribution panels of sorts,
     left of dash and right of dash.  Who's on first!
     SO, main alt out wire connects normally to large wire which heads off
     somewhere.....fuse panels and ign switch.  Remote sensing wire
     connects to "a point far far away" (but not sure which lead this is
   on
     my late model Ford 3G(?) alternator......and then there is one more
     terminal that I have no idea what/where it goes.... perhaps an
   exciter
     voltage to turn on alt??    That takes care of the three alt wires,
   but
     that doesn't help with what appears to be an old 4th wire that feeds
     the dash bulb indicator......
     I believe that Hall sold this alt years back, but I found no
   paperwork
     with it in the PO's records.... No idea who installed it
     either.......so kinda stuck!
     The GM type 3 wire alt is also lacking clear instructions, in the
     instructions......so no help there with the reduction kit.  ( Small
     amount of work needed here.....)  It really appears to have been
     written early on for directly using original alternator.....but some
     crossed wires with the late model application, which falls short of
     calling out connections at all.
     Anyone running 3G alt that can comment??????
     Thanks in advance!
     Steve
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