[DeTomaso] Source for electric speedo sender for the ZF?

Ken Green kenn_green at yahoo.com
Wed Jun 15 11:31:03 EDT 2022


 I think the best gauges are like the Autometer stepper motor gauges.  The basic analog gauges are still probably better than the original gauges, but if you are spending the $s to have them converted to look like the original gauges, I'd go with the stepper motor gauges for the best accuracy.
Ken

    On Wednesday, June 15, 2022 at 05:21:23 AM PDT, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Does anyone convert the original gauges to modern internals?

I'm converting back to the original Veglia gauges.  I forgot how far off they are.  The tach isn't even close.  Yes, I have the MSD square-sine wave converter, but with this setup, the tach is about 80% off.  Plus, the speedo is quite a bit off, due to different tire sizes.

I'd like a tach that's accurate and made to work with an MSD, plus an electronic or GPS speedo, plus mechanical gauges for temp/pressure.

Btw, I also have the sensor from Milwaukee Speedometer Service.  I was running an Autometer speedometer for quite a while.

I know about Classic Instruments.  That's who I was going to use.

On 6/14/22, 9:55 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:

      Thats the thing I remembered! Thanks, Cory!
      J DeRyke
      -----Original Message-----
      From: Corey Price <coreyjprice at gmail.com>
      To: jderyke at aol.com
      Cc: julian_kift at hotmail.com; GR2835 at comcast.net; willibillie at live.de;
      tipo874 at gmail.com; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com;
      fresnofinches at aol.com
      Sent: Tue, Jun 14, 2022 6:13 pm
      Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Source for electric speedo sender for the ZF?
      Actually Milwaukee Spedometer Service makes (or made) a straight bolt
      on hall-effect sensor. I'm running one now. No right angle adapter.
      > On Jun 14, 2022, at 5:22 PM, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
      <[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
      >
      > i>>?  Ideally, Jon would come up with an electronic adapter of the
      correct
      >  pulse width that screwed onto the straight adapter on the ZF,
      bypassing
      >  the trouble-prone right angle adapter entirely. That would be ideal.
      >  -----Original Message-----
      >  From: Julian Kift <[2]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
      >  To: GERRY ROMACK <[3]gr2835 at comcast.net>; Roland Jaeckel
      >  <[4]willibillie at live.de>; Thomas TAP:rnblom <[5]tipo874 at gmail.com>
      >  Cc: Email List Address For Posting
      <[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>;
      >  Larry Finch <[7]fresnofinches at aol.com>
      >  Sent: Tue, Jun 14, 2022 1:57 pm
      >  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Source for electric speedo sender for the
      ZF?
      >    Assuming you are planning to replace the angle drive adapter, it
      >  should
      >    not be hard for an electrical wizard like John Haas to come up
      with a
      >    pulse conversion to adapt the output signal to get the Si speedo
      to
      >    read off in mph i.e. 100kmh now reads 100mph, signal requires
      x1.62
      >    factor increase.
      >    Alternately and perhaps easier, as the sender is mechanically
      driven
      >  by
      >    the angle drive you could insert a gear adapter that increases the
      >    output mechanical speed by 1.62.
      >    That way your Si Speedo is visually identical and an easy swap
      back
      >  to
      >    stock.
      >    Julian
      >
      __________________________________________________________________
      >    From: DeTomaso <[1][8]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
      >  behalf of
      >    GERRY ROMACK <[2][9]gr2835 at comcast.net>
      >    Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2022 1:06 PM
      >    To: Roland Jaeckel <[3][10]willibillie at live.de>; Thomas Toernblom
      >    <[4][11]tipo874 at gmail.com>
      >    Cc: Email List Address For Posting
      >  <[5][12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>;
      >    Larry Finch <[6][13]fresnofinches at aol.com>
      >    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Source for electric speedo sender for the
      ZF?
      >    My right angle adapter 5-0504 snapped the tabs off that screws
      into
      >  the
      >    ZF.
      >    My speedometer is electric with motor driven needle...NO CABLE.
      >    I would like to convert the 300 KPH speedo to MPH.....but the
      sender
      >    that screws onto the right angle adapter is a 2 wire 4 pulse
      Square
      >    wave sender.......all new 200 mph speedometers use 8 or 16 pulse
      VSS
      >    signal.....which is totally different. I would like to keep the
      >  Pantera
      >    90 Si looking original.
      >    Gerry
      >>> On 06/13/2022 12:37 PM Roland Jaeckel <[7][14]willibillie at live.de>
      >>  wrote:
      >>
      >>
      >> No, those i have are leftovers from the Pantera SI and electronic
      >    only.
      >>
      >>>    Am 13.06.2022 um 21:20 schrieb Thomas Toernblom
      >>    <[8][15]tipo874 at gmail.com>:
      >>
      >>  vss.jpeg
      >>> 13 juni 2022 kl. 20:55 skrev Larry Finch via DeTomaso
      >>  <[9][16]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>:
      >>>
      >>> Ken,
      >>>
      >>> Are you looking for something to generate a VSS signal while
      >>  retaining your cable driven Speedometer?
      >>>
      >>> I believe this is what Roland and Thomas are referencing. It
      >>  generates a HALL effect signal.  It generates a square wave with
      >    eight
      >>  pulses per revolution.
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>> !DSPAM:62a78811253192338627071!
      >>  image0.jpeg
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>> !DSPAM:62a78811253192338627071!
      >>  image1.jpeg
      >>>
      >>>
      >>> Or are you looking for something to eliminate the cable but
      >    retain
      >>  your OEM speedometer? I believe there are several vendors
      >  offering
      >    a
      >>  mechanical solution like this.
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>> !DSPAM:62a78811253192338627071!
      >>  image2.jpeg
      >>>
      >>>
      >>> I have one of the Ford VSS units available if you decide to go
      >    that
      >>  direction.
      >>>
      >>> Larry
      >>>
      >>> Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
      >>>
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   I think the best gauges are like the Autometer stepper motor gauges.
   The basic analog gauges are still probably better than the original
   gauges, but if you are spending the $s to have them converted to look
   like the original gauges, I'd go with the stepper motor gauges for the
   best accuracy.
   Ken

   On Wednesday, June 15, 2022 at 05:21:23 AM PDT, Will Kooiman
   <will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
   Does anyone convert the original gauges to modern internals?
   I'm converting back to the original Veglia gauges.  I forgot how far
   off they are.  The tach isn't even close.  Yes, I have the MSD
   square-sine wave converter, but with this setup, the tach is about 80%
   off.  Plus, the speedo is quite a bit off, due to different tire sizes.
   I'd like a tach that's accurate and made to work with an MSD, plus an
   electronic or GPS speedo, plus mechanical gauges for temp/pressure.
   Btw, I also have the sensor from Milwaukee Speedometer Service.  I was
   running an Autometer speedometer for quite a while.
   I know about Classic Instruments.  That's who I was going to use.
   i>>?On 6/14/22, 9:55 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jack DeRyke via
   DeTomaso" <[1]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   [2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
         Thats the thing I remembered! Thanks, Cory!
         J DeRyke
         -----Original Message-----
         From: Corey Price <[3]coreyjprice at gmail.com>
         To: [4]jderyke at aol.com
         Cc: [5]julian_kift at hotmail.com; [6]GR2835 at comcast.net;
   [7]willibillie at live.de;
         [8]tipo874 at gmail.com; [9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com;
         [10]fresnofinches at aol.com
         Sent: Tue, Jun 14, 2022 6:13 pm
         Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Source for electric speedo sender for the
   ZF?
         Actually Milwaukee Spedometer Service makes (or made) a straight
   bolt
         on hall-effect sensor. I'm running one now. No right angle
   adapter.
         > On Jun 14, 2022, at 5:22 PM, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
         <[1][11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
         >
         > i>>?  Ideally, Jon would come up with an electronic adapter of
   the
         correct
         >  pulse width that screwed onto the straight adapter on the ZF,
         bypassing
         >  the trouble-prone right angle adapter entirely. That would be
   ideal.
         >  -----Original Message-----
         >  From: Julian Kift <[2][12]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
         >  To: GERRY ROMACK <[3][13]gr2835 at comcast.net>; Roland Jaeckel
         >  <[4][14]willibillie at live.de>; Thomas TAP:rnblom
   <[5][15]tipo874 at gmail.com>
         >  Cc: Email List Address For Posting
         <[6][16]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>;
         >  Larry Finch <[7][17]fresnofinches at aol.com>
         >  Sent: Tue, Jun 14, 2022 1:57 pm
         >  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Source for electric speedo sender for
   the
         ZF?
         >    Assuming you are planning to replace the angle drive
   adapter, it
         >  should
         >    not be hard for an electrical wizard like John Haas to come
   up
         with a
         >    pulse conversion to adapt the output signal to get the Si
   speedo
         to
         >    read off in mph i.e. 100kmh now reads 100mph, signal
   requires
         x1.62
         >    factor increase.
         >    Alternately and perhaps easier, as the sender is
   mechanically
         driven
         >  by
         >    the angle drive you could insert a gear adapter that
   increases the
         >    output mechanical speed by 1.62.
         >    That way your Si Speedo is visually identical and an easy
   swap
         back
         >  to
         >    stock.
         >    Julian
         >

   __________________________________________________________________
         >    From: DeTomaso
   <[1][8][18]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
         >  behalf of
         >    GERRY ROMACK <[2][9][19]gr2835 at comcast.net>
         >    Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2022 1:06 PM
         >    To: Roland Jaeckel <[3][10][20]willibillie at live.de>; Thomas
   Toernblom
         >    <[4][11][21]tipo874 at gmail.com>
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         >    Larry Finch <[6][13][23]fresnofinches at aol.com>
         >    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Source for electric speedo sender
   for the
         ZF?
         >    My right angle adapter 5-0504 snapped the tabs off that
   screws
         into
         >  the
         >    ZF.
         >    My speedometer is electric with motor driven needle...NO
   CABLE.
         >    I would like to convert the 300 KPH speedo to MPH.....but
   the
         sender
         >    that screws onto the right angle adapter is a 2 wire 4 pulse
         Square
         >    wave sender.......all new 200 mph speedometers use 8 or 16
   pulse
         VSS
         >    signal.....which is totally different. I would like to keep
   the
         >  Pantera
         >    90 Si looking original.
         >    Gerry
         >>> On 06/13/2022 12:37 PM Roland Jaeckel
   <[7][14][24]willibillie at live.de>
         >>  wrote:
         >>
         >>
         >> No, those i have are leftovers from the Pantera SI and
   electronic
         >    only.
         >>
         >>>    Am 13.06.2022 um 21:20 schrieb Thomas Toernblom
         >>    <[8][15][25]tipo874 at gmail.com>:
         >>
         >>  vss.jpeg
         >>> 13 juni 2022 kl. 20:55 skrev Larry Finch via DeTomaso
         >>  <[9][16][26]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>:
         >>>
         >>> Ken,
         >>>
         >>> Are you looking for something to generate a VSS signal while
         >>  retaining your cable driven Speedometer?
         >>>
         >>> I believe this is what Roland and Thomas are referencing. It
         >>  generates a HALL effect signal.  It generates a square wave
   with
         >    eight
         >>  pulses per revolution.
         >>>
         >>>
         >>>
         >>> !DSPAM:62a78811253192338627071!
         >>  image0.jpeg
         >>>
         >>>
         >>>
         >>>
         >>> !DSPAM:62a78811253192338627071!
         >>  image1.jpeg
         >>>
         >>>
         >>> Or are you looking for something to eliminate the cable but
         >    retain
         >>  your OEM speedometer? I believe there are several vendors
         >  offering
         >    a
         >>  mechanical solution like this.
         >>>
         >>>
         >>>
         >>> !DSPAM:62a78811253192338627071!
         >>  image2.jpeg
         >>>
         >>>
         >>> I have one of the Ford VSS units available if you decide to
   go
         >    that
         >>  direction.
         >>>
         >>> Larry
         >>>
         >>> Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
         >>>
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