[DeTomaso] Source for electric speedo sender for the ZF?
Ken Green
kenn_green at yahoo.com
Wed Jun 15 11:31:03 EDT 2022
I think the best gauges are like the Autometer stepper motor gauges. The basic analog gauges are still probably better than the original gauges, but if you are spending the $s to have them converted to look like the original gauges, I'd go with the stepper motor gauges for the best accuracy.
Ken
On Wednesday, June 15, 2022 at 05:21:23 AM PDT, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
Does anyone convert the original gauges to modern internals?
I'm converting back to the original Veglia gauges. I forgot how far off they are. The tach isn't even close. Yes, I have the MSD square-sine wave converter, but with this setup, the tach is about 80% off. Plus, the speedo is quite a bit off, due to different tire sizes.
I'd like a tach that's accurate and made to work with an MSD, plus an electronic or GPS speedo, plus mechanical gauges for temp/pressure.
Btw, I also have the sensor from Milwaukee Speedometer Service. I was running an Autometer speedometer for quite a while.
I know about Classic Instruments. That's who I was going to use.
On 6/14/22, 9:55 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Thats the thing I remembered! Thanks, Cory!
J DeRyke
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Sent: Tue, Jun 14, 2022 6:13 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Source for electric speedo sender for the ZF?
Actually Milwaukee Spedometer Service makes (or made) a straight bolt
on hall-effect sensor. I'm running one now. No right angle adapter.
> On Jun 14, 2022, at 5:22 PM, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
<[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> i>>? Ideally, Jon would come up with an electronic adapter of the
correct
> pulse width that screwed onto the straight adapter on the ZF,
bypassing
> the trouble-prone right angle adapter entirely. That would be ideal.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Julian Kift <[2]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> To: GERRY ROMACK <[3]gr2835 at comcast.net>; Roland Jaeckel
> <[4]willibillie at live.de>; Thomas TAP:rnblom <[5]tipo874 at gmail.com>
> Cc: Email List Address For Posting
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> Larry Finch <[7]fresnofinches at aol.com>
> Sent: Tue, Jun 14, 2022 1:57 pm
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Source for electric speedo sender for the
ZF?
> Assuming you are planning to replace the angle drive adapter, it
> should
> not be hard for an electrical wizard like John Haas to come up
with a
> pulse conversion to adapt the output signal to get the Si speedo
to
> read off in mph i.e. 100kmh now reads 100mph, signal requires
x1.62
> factor increase.
> Alternately and perhaps easier, as the sender is mechanically
driven
> by
> the angle drive you could insert a gear adapter that increases the
> output mechanical speed by 1.62.
> That way your Si Speedo is visually identical and an easy swap
back
> to
> stock.
> Julian
>
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> behalf of
> GERRY ROMACK <[2][9]gr2835 at comcast.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2022 1:06 PM
> To: Roland Jaeckel <[3][10]willibillie at live.de>; Thomas Toernblom
> <[4][11]tipo874 at gmail.com>
> Cc: Email List Address For Posting
> <[5][12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>;
> Larry Finch <[6][13]fresnofinches at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Source for electric speedo sender for the
ZF?
> My right angle adapter 5-0504 snapped the tabs off that screws
into
> the
> ZF.
> My speedometer is electric with motor driven needle...NO CABLE.
> I would like to convert the 300 KPH speedo to MPH.....but the
sender
> that screws onto the right angle adapter is a 2 wire 4 pulse
Square
> wave sender.......all new 200 mph speedometers use 8 or 16 pulse
VSS
> signal.....which is totally different. I would like to keep the
> Pantera
> 90 Si looking original.
> Gerry
>>> On 06/13/2022 12:37 PM Roland Jaeckel <[7][14]willibillie at live.de>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> No, those i have are leftovers from the Pantera SI and electronic
> only.
>>
>>> Am 13.06.2022 um 21:20 schrieb Thomas Toernblom
>> <[8][15]tipo874 at gmail.com>:
>>
>> vss.jpeg
>>> 13 juni 2022 kl. 20:55 skrev Larry Finch via DeTomaso
>> <[9][16]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>:
>>>
>>> Ken,
>>>
>>> Are you looking for something to generate a VSS signal while
>> retaining your cable driven Speedometer?
>>>
>>> I believe this is what Roland and Thomas are referencing. It
>> generates a HALL effect signal. It generates a square wave with
> eight
>> pulses per revolution.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> !DSPAM:62a78811253192338627071!
>> image0.jpeg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> !DSPAM:62a78811253192338627071!
>> image1.jpeg
>>>
>>>
>>> Or are you looking for something to eliminate the cable but
> retain
>> your OEM speedometer? I believe there are several vendors
> offering
> a
>> mechanical solution like this.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> !DSPAM:62a78811253192338627071!
>> image2.jpeg
>>>
>>>
>>> I have one of the Ford VSS units available if you decide to go
> that
>> direction.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>> Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
>>>
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I think the best gauges are like the Autometer stepper motor gauges.
The basic analog gauges are still probably better than the original
gauges, but if you are spending the $s to have them converted to look
like the original gauges, I'd go with the stepper motor gauges for the
best accuracy.
Ken
On Wednesday, June 15, 2022 at 05:21:23 AM PDT, Will Kooiman
<will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
Does anyone convert the original gauges to modern internals?
I'm converting back to the original Veglia gauges. I forgot how far
off they are. The tach isn't even close. Yes, I have the MSD
square-sine wave converter, but with this setup, the tach is about 80%
off. Plus, the speedo is quite a bit off, due to different tire sizes.
I'd like a tach that's accurate and made to work with an MSD, plus an
electronic or GPS speedo, plus mechanical gauges for temp/pressure.
Btw, I also have the sensor from Milwaukee Speedometer Service. I was
running an Autometer speedometer for quite a while.
I know about Classic Instruments. That's who I was going to use.
i>>?On 6/14/22, 9:55 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jack DeRyke via
DeTomaso" <[1]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Thats the thing I remembered! Thanks, Cory!
J DeRyke
-----Original Message-----
From: Corey Price <[3]coreyjprice at gmail.com>
To: [4]jderyke at aol.com
Cc: [5]julian_kift at hotmail.com; [6]GR2835 at comcast.net;
[7]willibillie at live.de;
[8]tipo874 at gmail.com; [9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com;
[10]fresnofinches at aol.com
Sent: Tue, Jun 14, 2022 6:13 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Source for electric speedo sender for the
ZF?
Actually Milwaukee Spedometer Service makes (or made) a straight
bolt
on hall-effect sensor. I'm running one now. No right angle
adapter.
> On Jun 14, 2022, at 5:22 PM, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
<[1][11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> i>>? Ideally, Jon would come up with an electronic adapter of
the
correct
> pulse width that screwed onto the straight adapter on the ZF,
bypassing
> the trouble-prone right angle adapter entirely. That would be
ideal.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Julian Kift <[2][12]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> To: GERRY ROMACK <[3][13]gr2835 at comcast.net>; Roland Jaeckel
> <[4][14]willibillie at live.de>; Thomas TAP:rnblom
<[5][15]tipo874 at gmail.com>
> Cc: Email List Address For Posting
<[6][16]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>;
> Larry Finch <[7][17]fresnofinches at aol.com>
> Sent: Tue, Jun 14, 2022 1:57 pm
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Source for electric speedo sender for
the
ZF?
> Assuming you are planning to replace the angle drive
adapter, it
> should
> not be hard for an electrical wizard like John Haas to come
up
with a
> pulse conversion to adapt the output signal to get the Si
speedo
to
> read off in mph i.e. 100kmh now reads 100mph, signal
requires
x1.62
> factor increase.
> Alternately and perhaps easier, as the sender is
mechanically
driven
> by
> the angle drive you could insert a gear adapter that
increases the
> output mechanical speed by 1.62.
> That way your Si Speedo is visually identical and an easy
swap
back
> to
> stock.
> Julian
>
__________________________________________________________________
> From: DeTomaso
<[1][8][18]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
> behalf of
> GERRY ROMACK <[2][9][19]gr2835 at comcast.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2022 1:06 PM
> To: Roland Jaeckel <[3][10][20]willibillie at live.de>; Thomas
Toernblom
> <[4][11][21]tipo874 at gmail.com>
> Cc: Email List Address For Posting
> <[5][12][22]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>;
> Larry Finch <[6][13][23]fresnofinches at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Source for electric speedo sender
for the
ZF?
> My right angle adapter 5-0504 snapped the tabs off that
screws
into
> the
> ZF.
> My speedometer is electric with motor driven needle...NO
CABLE.
> I would like to convert the 300 KPH speedo to MPH.....but
the
sender
> that screws onto the right angle adapter is a 2 wire 4 pulse
Square
> wave sender.......all new 200 mph speedometers use 8 or 16
pulse
VSS
> signal.....which is totally different. I would like to keep
the
> Pantera
> 90 Si looking original.
> Gerry
>>> On 06/13/2022 12:37 PM Roland Jaeckel
<[7][14][24]willibillie at live.de>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> No, those i have are leftovers from the Pantera SI and
electronic
> only.
>>
>>> Am 13.06.2022 um 21:20 schrieb Thomas Toernblom
>> <[8][15][25]tipo874 at gmail.com>:
>>
>> vss.jpeg
>>> 13 juni 2022 kl. 20:55 skrev Larry Finch via DeTomaso
>> <[9][16][26]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>:
>>>
>>> Ken,
>>>
>>> Are you looking for something to generate a VSS signal while
>> retaining your cable driven Speedometer?
>>>
>>> I believe this is what Roland and Thomas are referencing. It
>> generates a HALL effect signal. It generates a square wave
with
> eight
>> pulses per revolution.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> !DSPAM:62a78811253192338627071!
>> image0.jpeg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> !DSPAM:62a78811253192338627071!
>> image1.jpeg
>>>
>>>
>>> Or are you looking for something to eliminate the cable but
> retain
>> your OEM speedometer? I believe there are several vendors
> offering
> a
>> mechanical solution like this.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> !DSPAM:62a78811253192338627071!
>> image2.jpeg
>>>
>>>
>>> I have one of the Ford VSS units available if you decide to
go
> that
>> direction.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>> Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
>>>
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