[DeTomaso] Update on Distributor Pin issue, plus Rally and Laguna
Steve Lisa
stevelisa at patentit.com
Sun Feb 13 12:17:06 EST 2022
All,
More information:
Our motor builder was aware of the pin issue. So our MSD distributor
already had an oversized pin -- a 3/16" chevy pin instead of the small 1/8"
ford pin. The builder used an MSD pin, so he is now wondering if MSD had a
run of bad pins and is concerned about another engine he used one on (will
be instructing the customer to replace it). Anyway, we ordered hardened
replacement pins, the stronger grade of the two available grades of
multi-layer Chevy pins made by McMaster-Carr to replace what was in there.
All else checked out ok.
Regarding the upcoming Rally here in AZ -- we are scheduled to race the
Pantera at Laguna with SVRA that same weekend. So, we won't be attending
the Rally, as we will likely be prepping, loading, and leaving Wednesday
afternoon. Staging for the paddock at Laguna is Thursday -- and that means
we will be leaving on Wednesday afternoon. We would have loved to attend
the Rally.
Perhaps some of the race-oriented Pantera owners from NORCAL that aren't
going to the Phoneix Rally would like to be added as our crew members for
the Laguna event??? We will have two cars, which gives us a total of six
crew members to sign up. We typically only use 2-3, which leaves a couple
of free crew passes.
This is a big weekend, with the SCCA Trans-Am series racing and Sunday
closing with a 70-minute vintage enduro (which we plan to run with either
-- or maybe both -- the Pantera or Norma, if all works out ok).
Regards,
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
*The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC*
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On Sat, Feb 12, 2022 at 5:41 PM Bill Moore <billmoore6480 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I have the TWO roll pin set up. Works great, no issues.
>
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> *To:* Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
> *Cc:* List DeTomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; Ken Green <
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> *Subject:* Re: [DeTomaso] #94 McDonald's NASCAR auction ends today and
> "thanks" for the support last weekend
>
> Hi Steve,
> Do you need both the gear and shear pin or just a replacement shear pin?
>
> What many have done is source a roll pin instead of a shear pin.
> The Shear pin is usually a spiral wound thinner type of metal, while a
> roll pin is much thicker and is rolled so each side butts up against
> itself. Fine a pin that fits the diameter of the hole, then what some
> have done is put a second smaller pin inside the first. I never went
> that far, but -did- use a roll pin at least since it was much stronger.
>
> Coiled "roll" pin (what some of us call a "shear" pinl, these will shear
> easier:
>
>
> Roll Pin (sometimes called a "dowel" pin) and harder to shear:
>
> Roll pins can typically had by Napa or any other good auto parts store,
> or even some home improvement stores.
>
> Asa Jay
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> Spokane County ARES-RACES-ACS EC/RO
> ******************************
> https://w7tsc.org
> https://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
> On 2/11/2022 13:01, Steve Lisa wrote:
> > Any good sources for the best replacement parts?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
> > *The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC*
> > Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
> > Direct: 480-442-0297
> >
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> > On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 2:00 PM Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Good to find root cause. I’m glad your team found it.
> >
> > Now to shore it up and put the pedal to the metal.
> >
> > Asa Jay
> > <thumbs up>
> >
> > Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
> >
> >> On Feb 11, 2022, at 12:21, Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks all for the comments -- we pulled the dizzy and it is as
> >> you suspected. The pin was there - broken, We will be doing
> >> some further inspection.
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
> >> *The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC*
> >> Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
> >> Direct: 480-442-0297
> >>
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> >> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 3:01 PM Asa Jay Laughton
> >> <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> The gear can slip a few degrees and then bind up on the pin
> >> fragments and continue to provide good oil pressure. If the
> >> pin totally shears and -doesn’t- bind up, it’s hit or miss
> >> but should manifest with lower oil pressure.
> >>
> >> Best to remove the dizzy to inspect. Timing is off anyway, it
> >> bears inspection.
> >>
> >> Asa Jay
> >>
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> >>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 13:21, Steve Lisa
> >>> <stevelisa at patentit.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> How would that kind of failure impact oil pressure? We
> >>> still had great oil pressure. We checked at the track and
> >>> saw only 6-8 degrees of timing and it ran like crap as a
> >>> result, but had great oil pressure.
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
> >>> *The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC*
> >>> Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
> >>> Direct: 480-442-0297
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> >>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 1:13 PM Larry Stock
> >>> <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> That is what we did for the first 30+ years to
> >>> strengthen the single pin design.
> >>>
> >>> Larry
> >>>
> >>> *From: *Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> >>> *Reply-To: *Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> >>> *Date: *Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 11:58 AM
> >>> *To: *Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>, Steve Lisa
> >>> <stevelisa at patentit.com>, Larry Stock
> >>> <larrys at panteraparts.com>
> >>> *Cc: *List DeTomaso Forum <
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> >>> *Subject: *Re: [DeTomaso] #94 McDonald's NASCAR auction
> >>> ends today and "thanks" for the support last weekend
> >>>
> >>> I have a vague recollection about a smaller roll pin
> >>> inside the standard roll pin?
> >>>
> >>> A discussion here:
> >>>
> >>>
> https://www.vintage-mustang.com/threads/351c-breaking-distributor-gear-tension-pin.1184541/
> >>>
> >>> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022, 10:33:14 AM PST, Larry
> >>> Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> It also drives the oil pump, and the new designs have
> >>> two pins to hold the gear on the shaft.
> >>> Larry
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 2/8/22, 9:59 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Asa Jay
> >>> Laughton via DeTomaso"
> >>> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> >>> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Steve,
> >>> You may need to pull the distributor. A common
> >>> problem used to be the shear pin breaking on the gear to
> >>> shaft connection. It would usually twist just enough to
> >>> throw timing off and cause poor running. My money is on
> >>> that, based on your description.
> >>>
> >>> It doesn’t happen often anymore but is more likely
> >>> on high horsepower engines.
> >>>
> >>> Let us know what you find. :)
> >>> Asa Jay
> >>>
> >>> Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
> >>>
> >>> > On Feb 8, 2022, at 09:22, Steve Lisa
> >>> <stevelisa at patentit.com> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > All,A
> >>> > The bidding on my #94 Bill Elliott NASCAR has
> >>> gone high enough that I
> >>> > pulled the reserve.A It will be entertaining (at
> >>> least for me) today
> >>> > to see how much higher (if any) it goes today.A
> >>> It is set to close
> >>> > around around 3:30 today.A I thoughtA I would
> >>> send the link in case
> >>> > any of you are interested in watching the car go...
> >>> >
> >>> [1]
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1994-ford-thunderbird-3/
> >>> > Also, following up on Mike's post re videos and
> >>> pictures from the
> >>> > Pantera weekend, I have reached out to SVRA and
> >>> confirmed that they
> >>> > will share the video with me once they process
> >>> it.A I want to say
> >>> > thanksA for all the support last weekend.A I
> >>> forgot how much fun
> >>> > Fontana is -- the last time I raced there was 20
> >>> years in a Rolex race,
> >>> > driving a GT car.A NASCAR 2 certainly gets your
> >>> attention.A A The
> >>> > Pantera ran great. I pulled it off the track
> >>> Saturday night and all was
> >>> > fine.A Sunday morning, a few laps into
> >>> qualifying, it lost some power
> >>> > and started running poorly.A We spent the next 4
> >>> hours diagnosing and
> >>> > the engine compression and carb filters were
> >>> fine.A It appears as if
> >>> > the timing changed -- but how????A The
> >>> distributor had not moved at
> >>> > all and was secure.A So, we think either the MSD
> >>> box or MSD
> >>> > distributor failed.A We still have limited
> >>> spacrs for the Pantera --
> >>> > so we were done Sunday without racing the final
> >>> race.A A
> >>> > Once the NASCAR sells, and now that the Pantera
> >>> is doing well, we will
> >>> > be loading up on spares. So please keep your
> >>> eyes/ears out for stock
> >>> > parts sitting around in garages and on shelves
> >>> that were replaced on
> >>> > modified cars.A A We will be looking for fairly
> >>> priced stock
> >>> > components that typically fail.A A
> >>> > And, I was asked by SVRA to encourage more of you
> >>> guys to get your race
> >>> > and street Panteras out to the events.A We will
> >>> be racing the SVRA
> >>> > event on April 21-24 at Laguna Seca.A It would
> >>> be great to get another
> >>> > Pantera or two in the paddock with us.A I am
> >>> sure a few Panteras in
> >>> > the paddock will get a lot of attention.A A A A
> >>> > Again, thanks all!
> >>> > A A A
> >>> > Regards,A
> >>> > Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
> >>> > The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
> >>> > Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
> >>> > Direct: 480-442-0297
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> >>> > References
> >>> >
> >>> > 1.
> >>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1994-ford-thunderbird-3/
> >>> > 2. http://www.patentit.com/
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All,A
More information:
Our motor builder was aware of the pin issue.A A So our MSD
distributor already hadA an oversized pin -- a 3/16" chevy pin instead
of the small 1/8" ford pin.A The builder used an MSD pin, so he is now
wondering if MSD had a run of bad pins and is concerned about another
engine he used one on (will be instructing theA customer to replace
it).A Anyway, we ordered hardened replacement pins, the stronger grade
of the two available grades of multi-layer Chevy pins made by
McMaster-Carr to replace what was in there.A A All else checked out
ok.A A
Regarding the upcoming Rally here in AZ -- we are scheduled to race the
Pantera at Laguna with SVRA that same weekend.A So, we won't be
attending the Rally, as we will likely be prepping, loading, and
leaving Wednesday afternoon. Staging for the paddock at Laguna is
Thursday -- and that means we will be leaving on Wednesday afternoon.
We would have loved to attend the Rally.A A
Perhaps some of the race-oriented Pantera owners from NORCAL that
aren't going to the Phoneix Rally would like to be added as our crew
members for the Laguna event???A We will have two cars, which gives us
a total of six crew members to sign up.A We typically only use 2-3,
which leaves a couple of free crew passes.A A
This is a big weekend, with the SCCA Trans-Am series racing and Sunday
closing with a 70-minute vintage enduro (which we plan to run with
either -- or maybe both -- the Pantera or Norma, if all works out
ok).A A A A
Regards,A
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
Direct: 480-442-0297
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On Sat, Feb 12, 2022 at 5:41 PM Bill Moore <[2]billmoore6480 at gmail.com>
wrote:
I have the TWO roll pin set up. Works great, no issues.
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of Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso <[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2022 8:53:23 AM
To: Steve Lisa <[6]stevelisa at patentit.com>
Cc: List DeTomaso Forum <[7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; Ken
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] #94 McDonald's NASCAR auction ends today and
"thanks" for the support last weekend
A
Hi Steve,
Do you need both the gear and shear pin or just a replacement shear
pin?
What many have done is source a roll pin instead of a shear pin.
The Shear pin is usually a spiral wound thinner type of metal, while a
roll pin is much thicker and is rolled so each side butts up against
itself.A Fine a pin that fits the diameter of the hole, then what some
have done is put a second smaller pin inside the first. I never went
that far, but -did- use a roll pin at least since it was much stronger.
Coiled "roll" pin (what some of us call a "shear" pinl, these will
shear
easier:
Roll Pin (sometimes called a "dowel" pin) and harder to shear:
Roll pins can typically had by Napa or any other good auto parts store,
or even some home improvement stores.
AsaA Jay
Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
Spokane County ARES-RACES-ACS EC/RO
******************************
[9]https://w7tsc.org
[10]https://www.teampanteraracing.com
On 2/11/2022 13:01, Steve Lisa wrote:
> Any good sources for the best replacement parts?
>
> Regards,
>
> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
> *The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC*
> Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
> Direct: 480-442-0297
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> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 2:00 PM Asa Jay Laughton
<[13]asajay at asajay.com>
> wrote:
>
>A A A A Good to find root cause.A Iam glad your team found it.
>
>A A A A Now to shore it up and put the pedal to the metal.
>
>A A A A Asa Jay
>A A A A <thumbs up>
>
>A A A A Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
>
>>A A A A On Feb 11, 2022, at 12:21, Steve Lisa
<[14]stevelisa at patentit.com> wrote:
>>
>>A A A A i>>?
>>A A A A Thanks all for the comments -- we pulled the dizzy and it is
as
>>A A A A you suspected.A The pin was there - broken,A We will be
doing
>>A A A A some further inspection.
>>A A A A Regards,
>>
>>A A A A Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
>>A A A A *The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC*
>>A A A A Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
>>A A A A Direct: 480-442-0297
>>
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>>A A A A On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 3:01 PM Asa Jay Laughton
>>A A A A <[20]asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
>>
>>A A A A A A A A The gear can slip a few degrees and then bind up on
the pin
>>A A A A A A A A fragments and continue to provide good oil
pressure.A If the
>>A A A A A A A A pin totally shears and -doesnat- bind up, itas hit
or miss
>>A A A A A A A A but should manifest with lower oil pressure.
>>
>>A A A A A A A A Best to remove the dizzy to inspect. Timing is off
anyway, it
>>A A A A A A A A bears inspection.
>>
>>A A A A A A A A Asa A Jay
>>
>>A A A A A A A A Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
>>
>>>A A A A A A A A On Feb 8, 2022, at 13:21, Steve Lisa
>>>A A A A A A A A <[21]stevelisa at patentit.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>A A A A A A A A i>>?
>>>A A A A A A A A How would that kind of failure impact oil
pressure?A We
>>>A A A A A A A A still had great oil pressure.A We checked at the
track and
>>>A A A A A A A A saw only 6-8 degrees of timing and it ran like crap
as a
>>>A A A A A A A A result, but had great oil pressure.
>>>A A A A A A A A Regards,
>>>
>>>A A A A A A A A Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
>>>A A A A A A A A *The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC*
>>>A A A A A A A A Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
>>>A A A A A A A A Direct: 480-442-0297
>>>
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>>>A A A A A A A A On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 1:13 PM Larry Stock
>>>A A A A A A A A <[24]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A That is what we did for the first 30+ years
to
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A strengthen the single pin design.
>>>
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A Larry
>>>
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A *From: *Ken Green
<[25]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A *Reply-To: *Ken Green
<[26]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A *Date: *Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 11:58
AM
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A *To: *Asa Jay Laughton
<[27]asajay at asajay.com>, Steve Lisa
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A <[28]stevelisa at patentit.com>, Larry Stock
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A <[29]larrys at panteraparts.com>
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A *Cc: *List DeTomaso Forum
<[30]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A *Subject: *Re: [DeTomaso] #94 McDonald's
NASCAR auction
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A ends today and "thanks" for the support
last weekend
>>>
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A I have a vague recollection about a smaller
roll pin
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A inside the standard roll pin?
>>>
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A A discussion here:
>>>
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A
[31]https://www.vintage-mustang.com/threads/351c-breaking-distributor-g
ear-tension-pin.1184541/
>>>
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A On Tuesday, February 8, 2022, 10:33:14 AM
PST, Larry
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A Stock <[32]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A It also drives the oil pump, and the new
designs have
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A two pins to hold the gear on the shaft.
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A Larry
>>>
>>>
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A i>>?On 2/8/22, 9:59 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf
of Asa Jay
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A Laughton via DeTomaso"
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A
<[33]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A [34]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
wrote:
>>>
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A A A Hi Steve,
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A A A You may need to pull the distributor.
A common
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A problem used to be the shear pin breaking
on the gear to
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A shaft connection. It would usually twist
just enough to
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A throw timing off and cause poor running.A
My money is on
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A that, based on your description.
>>>
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A A A It doesnat happen often anymore but
is more likely
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A on high horsepower engines.
>>>
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A A A Let us know what you find.A :)
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A A A AsaA Jay
>>>
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A A A Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
>>>
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A A A > On Feb 8, 2022, at 09:22, Steve
Lisa
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A <[35]stevelisa at patentit.com> wrote:
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A A A >
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A A A > i>>?A All,A
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A A A >A The bidding on my #94 Bill
Elliott NASCAR has
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A gone high enough that I
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A A A >A pulled the reserve.AA It will be
entertaining (at
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A least for me) today
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A A A >A to see how much higher (if any)
it goes today.AA
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A It is set to close
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A A A >A around around 3:30 today.AA I
thoughtA I would
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A send the link in case
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A A A >A any of you are interested in
watching the car go...
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A A A >A
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A
[1][36]https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1994-ford-thunderbird-3/
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A A A >A Also, following up on Mike's post
re videos and
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A pictures from the
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A A A >A Pantera weekend, I have reached
out to SVRA and
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A confirmed that they
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A A A >A will share the video with me once
they process
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A it.AA I want to say
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A A A >A thanksA for all the support last
weekend.AA I
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A forgot how much fun
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A A A >A Fontana is -- the last time I
raced there was 20
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A years in a Rolex race,
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A A A >A driving a GT car.AA NASCAR 2
certainly gets your
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A attention.AA A The
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A A A >A Pantera ran great. I pulled it
off the track
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A Saturday night and all was
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A A A >A fine.A Sunday morning, a few laps
into
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A qualifying, it lost some power
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A A A >A and started running poorly.AA We
spent the next 4
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A hours diagnosing and
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A A A >A the engine compression and carb
filters were
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A fine.A It appears as if
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A A A >A the timing changed -- but
how????AA The
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A distributor had not moved at
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A A A >A all and was secure.AA So, we
think either the MSD
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A box or MSD
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A A A >A distributor failed.AA We still
have limited
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A spacrs for the Pantera --
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A A A >A so we were done Sunday without
racing the final
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A race.AA A
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A A A >A Once the NASCAR sells, and now
that the Pantera
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A is doing well, we will
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A A A >A be loading up on spares. So
please keep your
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A eyes/ears out for stock
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A A A >A parts sitting around in garages
and on shelves
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A that were replaced on
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A A A >A modified cars.AA A We will be
looking for fairly
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A priced stock
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A A A >A components that typically fail.A
A
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A A A >A And, I was asked by SVRA to
encourage more of you
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A guys to get your race
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A A A >A and street Panteras out to the
events.AA We will
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A be racing the SVRA
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A A A >A event on April 21-24 at Laguna
Seca.AA It would
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A be great to get another
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A A A >A Pantera or two in the paddock
with us.AA I am
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A sure a few Panteras in
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A A A >A the paddock will get a lot of
attention.AA AA A A
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A A A >A Again, thanks all!
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A A A >A AA A A
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A A A >A Regards,A
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A A A >A Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A A A >A The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko,
LLC
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A A A >A Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A A A >A Direct: 480-442-0297
>>>A A A A A A A A A A A A A A >A [2][37]www.PatentIt.com
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