[DeTomaso] #94 McDonald's NASCAR auction ends today and "thanks" for the support last weekend
Asa Jay Laughton
asajay at asajay.com
Sat Feb 12 10:53:23 EST 2022
Hi Steve,
Do you need both the gear and shear pin or just a replacement shear pin?
What many have done is source a roll pin instead of a shear pin.
The Shear pin is usually a spiral wound thinner type of metal, while a
roll pin is much thicker and is rolled so each side butts up against
itself. Fine a pin that fits the diameter of the hole, then what some
have done is put a second smaller pin inside the first. I never went
that far, but -did- use a roll pin at least since it was much stronger.
Coiled "roll" pin (what some of us call a "shear" pinl, these will shear
easier:
Roll Pin (sometimes called a "dowel" pin) and harder to shear:
Roll pins can typically had by Napa or any other good auto parts store,
or even some home improvement stores.
Asa Jay
Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
Spokane County ARES-RACES-ACS EC/RO
******************************
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On 2/11/2022 13:01, Steve Lisa wrote:
> Any good sources for the best replacement parts?
>
> Regards,
>
> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
> *The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC*
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> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 2:00 PM Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
> wrote:
>
> Good to find root cause. I’m glad your team found it.
>
> Now to shore it up and put the pedal to the metal.
>
> Asa Jay
> <thumbs up>
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>> On Feb 11, 2022, at 12:21, Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Thanks all for the comments -- we pulled the dizzy and it is as
>> you suspected. The pin was there - broken, We will be doing
>> some further inspection.
>> Regards,
>>
>> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
>> *The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC*
>> Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
>> Direct: 480-442-0297
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>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 3:01 PM Asa Jay Laughton
>> <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
>>
>> The gear can slip a few degrees and then bind up on the pin
>> fragments and continue to provide good oil pressure. If the
>> pin totally shears and -doesn’t- bind up, it’s hit or miss
>> but should manifest with lower oil pressure.
>>
>> Best to remove the dizzy to inspect. Timing is off anyway, it
>> bears inspection.
>>
>> Asa Jay
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>>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 13:21, Steve Lisa
>>> <stevelisa at patentit.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> How would that kind of failure impact oil pressure? We
>>> still had great oil pressure. We checked at the track and
>>> saw only 6-8 degrees of timing and it ran like crap as a
>>> result, but had great oil pressure.
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
>>> *The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC*
>>> Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
>>> Direct: 480-442-0297
>>>
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>>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 1:13 PM Larry Stock
>>> <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> That is what we did for the first 30+ years to
>>> strengthen the single pin design.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>> *From: *Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
>>> *Reply-To: *Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
>>> *Date: *Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 11:58 AM
>>> *To: *Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>, Steve Lisa
>>> <stevelisa at patentit.com>, Larry Stock
>>> <larrys at panteraparts.com>
>>> *Cc: *List DeTomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [DeTomaso] #94 McDonald's NASCAR auction
>>> ends today and "thanks" for the support last weekend
>>>
>>> I have a vague recollection about a smaller roll pin
>>> inside the standard roll pin?
>>>
>>> A discussion here:
>>>
>>> https://www.vintage-mustang.com/threads/351c-breaking-distributor-gear-tension-pin.1184541/
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022, 10:33:14 AM PST, Larry
>>> Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> It also drives the oil pump, and the new designs have
>>> two pins to hold the gear on the shaft.
>>> Larry
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/8/22, 9:59 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Asa Jay
>>> Laughton via DeTomaso"
>>> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>>> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Steve,
>>> You may need to pull the distributor. A common
>>> problem used to be the shear pin breaking on the gear to
>>> shaft connection. It would usually twist just enough to
>>> throw timing off and cause poor running. My money is on
>>> that, based on your description.
>>>
>>> It doesn’t happen often anymore but is more likely
>>> on high horsepower engines.
>>>
>>> Let us know what you find. :)
>>> Asa Jay
>>>
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>>>
>>> > On Feb 8, 2022, at 09:22, Steve Lisa
>>> <stevelisa at patentit.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > All,A
>>> > The bidding on my #94 Bill Elliott NASCAR has
>>> gone high enough that I
>>> > pulled the reserve.A It will be entertaining (at
>>> least for me) today
>>> > to see how much higher (if any) it goes today.A
>>> It is set to close
>>> > around around 3:30 today.A I thoughtA I would
>>> send the link in case
>>> > any of you are interested in watching the car go...
>>> >
>>> [1]https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1994-ford-thunderbird-3/
>>> > Also, following up on Mike's post re videos and
>>> pictures from the
>>> > Pantera weekend, I have reached out to SVRA and
>>> confirmed that they
>>> > will share the video with me once they process
>>> it.A I want to say
>>> > thanksA for all the support last weekend.A I
>>> forgot how much fun
>>> > Fontana is -- the last time I raced there was 20
>>> years in a Rolex race,
>>> > driving a GT car.A NASCAR 2 certainly gets your
>>> attention.A A The
>>> > Pantera ran great. I pulled it off the track
>>> Saturday night and all was
>>> > fine.A Sunday morning, a few laps into
>>> qualifying, it lost some power
>>> > and started running poorly.A We spent the next 4
>>> hours diagnosing and
>>> > the engine compression and carb filters were
>>> fine.A It appears as if
>>> > the timing changed -- but how????A The
>>> distributor had not moved at
>>> > all and was secure.A So, we think either the MSD
>>> box or MSD
>>> > distributor failed.A We still have limited
>>> spacrs for the Pantera --
>>> > so we were done Sunday without racing the final
>>> race.A A
>>> > Once the NASCAR sells, and now that the Pantera
>>> is doing well, we will
>>> > be loading up on spares. So please keep your
>>> eyes/ears out for stock
>>> > parts sitting around in garages and on shelves
>>> that were replaced on
>>> > modified cars.A A We will be looking for fairly
>>> priced stock
>>> > components that typically fail.A A
>>> > And, I was asked by SVRA to encourage more of you
>>> guys to get your race
>>> > and street Panteras out to the events.A We will
>>> be racing the SVRA
>>> > event on April 21-24 at Laguna Seca.A It would
>>> be great to get another
>>> > Pantera or two in the paddock with us.A I am
>>> sure a few Panteras in
>>> > the paddock will get a lot of attention.A A A A
>>> > Again, thanks all!
>>> > A A A
>>> > Regards,A
>>> > Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
>>> > The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
>>> > Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
>>> > Direct: 480-442-0297
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Hi Steve,
Do you need both the gear and shear pin or just a replacement shear
pin?
What many have done is source a roll pin instead of a shear pin.
The Shear pin is usually a spiral wound thinner type of metal, while a
roll pin is much thicker and is rolled so each side butts up against
itself. Fine a pin that fits the diameter of the hole, then what some
have done is put a second smaller pin inside the first. I never went
that far, but -did- use a roll pin at least since it was much stronger.
Coiled "roll" pin (what some of us call a "shear" pinl, these will
shear easier:
Roll Pin (sometimes called a "dowel" pin) and harder to shear:
Roll pins can typically had by Napa or any other good auto parts store,
or even some home improvement stores.
Asa Jay
Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
Spokane County ARES-RACES-ACS EC/RO
******************************
[1]https://w7tsc.org
[2]https://www.teampanteraracing.com
On 2/11/2022 13:01, Steve Lisa wrote:
Any good sources for the best replacement parts?
Regards,
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
Email: [3]SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
Direct: 480-442-0297
[4]www.PatentIt.com
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On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 2:00 PM Asa Jay Laughton <[5]asajay at asajay.com>
wrote:
Good to find root cause. I'm glad your team found it.
Now to shore it up and put the pedal to the metal.
Asa Jay
<thumbs up>
Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
On Feb 11, 2022, at 12:21, Steve Lisa <[6]stevelisa at patentit.com>
wrote:
Thanks all for the comments -- we pulled the dizzy and it is as you
suspected. The pin was there - broken, We will be doing some further
inspection.
Regards,
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
Email: [7]SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
Direct: 480-442-0297
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On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 3:01 PM Asa Jay Laughton <[10]asajay at asajay.com>
wrote:
The gear can slip a few degrees and then bind up on the pin fragments
and continue to provide good oil pressure. If the pin totally shears
and -doesn't- bind up, it's hit or miss but should manifest with lower
oil pressure.
Best to remove the dizzy to inspect. Timing is off anyway, it bears
inspection.
Asa Jay
Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
On Feb 8, 2022, at 13:21, Steve Lisa <[11]stevelisa at patentit.com>
wrote:
How would that kind of failure impact oil pressure? We still had great
oil pressure. We checked at the track and saw only 6-8 degrees of
timing and it ran like crap as a result, but had great oil pressure.
Regards,
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
Email: [12]SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
Direct: 480-442-0297
[13]www.PatentIt.com
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On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 1:13 PM Larry Stock
<[14]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
That is what we did for the first 30+ years to strengthen the single
pin design.
Larry
From: Ken Green <[15]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
Reply-To: Ken Green <[16]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 11:58 AM
To: Asa Jay Laughton <[17]asajay at asajay.com>, Steve Lisa
<[18]stevelisa at patentit.com>, Larry Stock <[19]larrys at panteraparts.com>
Cc: List DeTomaso Forum <[20]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] #94 McDonald's NASCAR auction ends today and
"thanks" for the support last weekend
I have a vague recollection about a smaller roll pin inside the
standard roll pin?
A discussion here:
[21]https://www.vintage-mustang.com/threads/351c-breaking-distributor-g
ear-tension-pin.1184541/
On Tuesday, February 8, 2022, 10:33:14 AM PST, Larry Stock
<[22]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
It also drives the oil pump, and the new designs have two pins to hold
the gear on the shaft.
Larry
On 2/8/22, 9:59 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Asa Jay Laughton via
DeTomaso" <[23]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[24]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Hi Steve,
You may need to pull the distributor. A common problem used to be
the shear pin breaking on the gear to shaft connection. It would
usually twist just enough to throw timing off and cause poor running.
My money is on that, based on your description.
It doesn't happen often anymore but is more likely on high
horsepower engines.
Let us know what you find. :)
Asa Jay
Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
> On Feb 8, 2022, at 09:22, Steve Lisa <[25]stevelisa at patentit.com>
wrote:
>
> All,A
> The bidding on my #94 Bill Elliott NASCAR has gone high enough
that I
> pulled the reserve.A It will be entertaining (at least for me)
today
> to see how much higher (if any) it goes today.A It is set to
close
> around around 3:30 today.A I thoughtA I would send the link in
case
> any of you are interested in watching the car go...
>
[1][26]https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1994-ford-thunderbird-3/
> Also, following up on Mike's post re videos and pictures from
the
> Pantera weekend, I have reached out to SVRA and confirmed that
they
> will share the video with me once they process it.A I want to
say
> thanksA for all the support last weekend.A I forgot how much
fun
> Fontana is -- the last time I raced there was 20 years in a
Rolex race,
> driving a GT car.A NASCAR 2 certainly gets your attention.A A
The
> Pantera ran great. I pulled it off the track Saturday night and
all was
> fine.A Sunday morning, a few laps into qualifying, it lost some
power
> and started running poorly.A We spent the next 4 hours
diagnosing and
> the engine compression and carb filters were fine.A It appears
as if
> the timing changed -- but how????A The distributor had not
moved at
> all and was secure.A So, we think either the MSD box or MSD
> distributor failed.A We still have limited spacrs for the
Pantera --
> so we were done Sunday without racing the final race.A A
> Once the NASCAR sells, and now that the Pantera is doing well,
we will
> be loading up on spares. So please keep your eyes/ears out for
stock
> parts sitting around in garages and on shelves that were
replaced on
> modified cars.A A We will be looking for fairly priced stock
> components that typically fail.A A
> And, I was asked by SVRA to encourage more of you guys to get
your race
> and street Panteras out to the events.A We will be racing the
SVRA
> event on April 21-24 at Laguna Seca.A It would be great to get
another
> Pantera or two in the paddock with us.A I am sure a few
Panteras in
> the paddock will get a lot of attention.A A A A
> Again, thanks all!
> A A A
> Regards,A
> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
> The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
> Email: [27]SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
> Direct: 480-442-0297
> [2][28]www.PatentIt.com
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A: 55 E.
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> This email is intended only for the recipient above and may
contain
> confidential and privileged information. If you received this
email in
> error please destroy it and indicate such by return email to me.
Thank
> you.
>
> References
>
> 1.
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> 2. [30]http://www.patentit.com/
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