[DeTomaso] #94 McDonald's NASCAR auction ends today and "thanks"for the support last weekend
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Tue Feb 15 19:36:35 EST 2022
You guys who have actually built a 351-C or two know there are two problem here, First of all, aftermarket distributor gears are NOT brass (which is copper alloyed with zinc) but bronze (copper alloyed with tin). Bronze is harder than brass but softer than stock chilled cast iron or steel. When used in a distributor drive to power an oil pump, bronze is a short term solution. I believe most were/are used by drag racers or street engine builders as a quick fix for the 50-yr-old shortage of steel drive gears used with steel cams in out-of-production Cleveland engines.
Bronze is cheap and easy to cast and cut into gears- both on 351-C & the 429-460 big- blocks (same gear). Knowledgable Ford engine builders say a bronze gear will begin wearing instantly and it's functional life depends on the rpms the engine experiences and the type of oil pump it's driving. To a lesser degree, the kind & grade of oil used. At most in round numbers, 5000 easy miles before performance drops notably; at worst, one (1.0) middling-long competition event. YMMV....
Second, a standard 351-C oil pump off a stock engine is much bigger & more capable of supplying oil than a small block pump for hipo-289s, Boss 302s, or even LeMans-capable 427 FEs in a GT-40. It is truly a racing class pump. High pressure or high volume pumps are utter overkill. Not for gear wear but on the gear PIN, since the loads on it will be much, much higher even discounting the debris-in-oil argument. The wrong pin is often delivered even in high-buck aftermarket dizzys.
The Ford pin is two sizes smaller than a GM pin, and is often made of a coil of spring steel, which has no impact resistance at all. They fail progressively in layers from debris impacts or from repeated jumping on the throttle. And spring-steel chips in the oil are really bad news! For 351-Cs, I recommend either a double-thickness set of 2 split pins, two split-pins in separate holes or a single solid dowel pin or staked piece of drill rod. NEVER a spring-pin.
As for engine damage, a gearotor oil pump is far better at providing oil to a performance engine than a two-gear pump such as GM used. But as Dan said, the gearotor due to its very tight tolerances is notoriously intolerant of any sizable particle contaminates. Even flakes of rubber (from stock valve seals) above a certain size will momentarily jam up the gearotor. A GOOD filter and frequent oil changes fixes this. And, a hardened steel driveshaft is std fare in performance Fords and trucks. Stockers are seemingly made of recycled coathangers.
Bronze gear-tooth wear particles in oil that successfully pass first thru a stock oil pump's primary screen, then thru a gearotor pump into engine bearings, will necessarily be pretty small. And tiny flakes of bronze, being a decent plain bearing material itself, is unlikely to cause much damage to main or rod journals but will imbed into bearings. No guarantees, though: debris in oil is still debris and bearings- even racing tri-metal bearings- are far softer than any other material involved.
Note- every bit of the above post goes all the way back to NASCAR's use of the 351-C in the mid-'70s and has been endlessly published (and debated) by numerous real authorities.
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From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>; Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] #94 McDonald's NASCAR auction ends today and "thanks"for the support last weekend
I thought at one-point composite gears were the next big thing? FWIW
here's Summit Racing's 'what gear should I use' tech advice and bronze
only recommended for billet steel roller cam.
[1]Which distributor gear should I buy? (summitracing.com)
[2]Which distributor gear should I buy? - Summit Racing Equipment
Getting the right material is the most important part of choosing a
distributor gear. The gear should be slightly softer than the camshaft.
This will ensure accurate ignition timing and a long engine life.
help.summitracing.com
Julian
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] #94 McDonald's NASCAR auction ends today and
"thanks"for the support last weekend
I was originally told 10,000 miles but when I changed mine at 8000
miles it was worn and feathered more than I would have liked to have
seen, so that why I now say 5000 miles instead of the original 10,000
miles. You should follow the cam manufactures recommendations on which
type of gear to run for each manufactures cam. Brass is safe to run in
most all cases, but may not give much longevity, but it wont harm the
cam drive.
On 2/14/22, 8:46 PM, "Mike Drew" <mikeldrew at aol.com> wrote:
5000 miles from a brass gear? The engine might barely run that long
but significant degradation would happen much sooner.
Iron cams need iron gears and steel roller cams need steel gears.
Brass gears are a relic of the past....
Mike
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> On Feb 14, 2022, at 20:17, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
wrote:
>
> Yes, a brass sacrificial gear is only good for 5000 street miles
> But it's for a race car
> Its running a racing engine
> If one pin is good, two pins are better
> Really
>
>
> On 2/14/22, 8:11 PM, "Mike Drew" <mikeldrew at aol.com> wrote:
>
> Uh...no.
>
> Brass gear? Really? Those have an extremely limited lifespan
and are disposable. Intended for race cars with roller cams whose
operational engine lives are measured in hours, if not seconds.
>
> If the car has a conventional cast iron cam it needs a cast
iron gear--if it even needs a gear at all, which I sincerely doubt.
>
> A broken drive pin is not a problem. It is a symptom of a
problem. Something else fell apart and debris was floating around in
the oil and jammed the oil pump gears which locked it up and the pin
worked as intended, shearing so that the driveshaft wasn't twisted like
a licorice stick. That's the usual cause.
>
> Or could it be that there is excessive slack in the time chain
which was transmitting shocks to the cam which overstressed the gear,
which is driven off the cam? I'm nit suggesting that IS a potential
cause; I'm asking IF it could be a potential cause to those who know
more than I about such things (which is an awful lot of people!)
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Feb 11, 2022, at 13:24, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> 08130G
>>
>> Distributor Gear, Brass, dual shaft pins
>>
>>
$98.00
>>
>> larrys at PanteraParts.com
>>
>>
>> From: Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
>> Date: Friday, February 11, 2022 at 1:01 PM
>> To: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
>> Cc: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>, Ken Green
>> <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, List DeTomaso Forum
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] #94 McDonald's NASCAR auction ends
today and
>> "thanks"for the support last weekend
>>
>>
>> Any good sources for the best replacement parts?
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
>>
>> The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
>>
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>> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 2:00 PM Asa Jay Laughton
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>> wrote:
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>> Good to find root cause. I'm glad your team found it.
>>
>>
>> Now to shore it up and put the pedal to the metal.
>>
>>
>> Asa Jay
>>
>> <thumbs up>
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>> On Feb 11, 2022, at 12:21, Steve Lisa
<[3]stevelisa at patentit.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks all for the comments -- we pulled the dizzy and it is as
you
>> suspected. The pin was there - broken, We will be doing some
further
>> inspection.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
>>
>> The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
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>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 3:01 PM Asa Jay Laughton
<[7]asajay at asajay.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> The gear can slip a few degrees and then bind up on the pin
fragments
>> and continue to provide good oil pressure. If the pin totally
shears
>> and -doesn't- bind up, it's hit or miss but should manifest
with lower
>> oil pressure.
>>
>>
>> Best to remove the dizzy to inspect. Timing is off anyway, it
bears
>> inspection.
>>
>>
>> Asa Jay
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>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 13:21, Steve Lisa
<[8]stevelisa at patentit.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> How would that kind of failure impact oil pressure? We still
had great
>> oil pressure. We checked at the track and saw only 6-8 degrees
of
>> timing and it ran like crap as a result, but had great oil
pressure.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
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>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 1:13 PM Larry Stock
>> <[10]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
>>
>> That is what we did for the first 30+ years to strengthen the
single
>> pin design.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>>
>> From: Ken Green <[11]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
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>> Date: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 11:58 AM
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>> <[14]stevelisa at patentit.com>, Larry Stock
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] #94 McDonald's NASCAR auction ends
today and
>> "thanks" for the support last weekend
>>
>>
>> I have a vague recollection about a smaller roll pin inside the
>> standard roll pin?
>>
>>
>> A discussion here:
>>
>>
>>
[17]https://www.vintage-mustang.com/threads/351c-breaking-distributor-g
>> ear-tension-pin.1184541/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022, 10:33:14 AM PST, Larry Stock
>> <[18]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> It also drives the oil pump, and the new designs have two pins
to hold
>> the gear on the shaft.
>> Larry
>> On 2/8/22, 9:59 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Asa Jay Laughton via
>> DeTomaso" <[19]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on
behalf of
>> [20]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>> Hi Steve,
>> You may need to pull the distributor. A common problem
used to be
>> the shear pin breaking on the gear to shaft connection. It
would
>> usually twist just enough to throw timing off and cause poor
running.
>> My money is on that, based on your description.
>> It doesn't happen often anymore but is more likely on high
>> horsepower engines.
>> Let us know what you find. :)
>> Asa Jay
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>>>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 09:22, Steve Lisa
<[21]stevelisa at patentit.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> All,A
>>> The bidding on my #94 Bill Elliott NASCAR has gone high enough
>> that I
>>> pulled the reserve.A It will be entertaining (at least for me)
>> today
>>> to see how much higher (if any) it goes today.A It is set to
>> close
>>> around around 3:30 today.A I thoughtA I would send the link in
>> case
>>> any of you are interested in watching the car go...
>>>
>>
[1][22]https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1994-ford-thunderbird-3/
>>> Also, following up on Mike's post re videos and pictures from
>> the
>>> Pantera weekend, I have reached out to SVRA and confirmed that
>> they
>>> will share the video with me once they process it.A I want to
>> say
>>> thanksA for all the support last weekend.A I forgot how much
>> fun
>>> Fontana is -- the last time I raced there was 20 years in a
>> Rolex race,
>>> driving a GT car.A NASCAR 2 certainly gets your attention.A A
>> The
>>> Pantera ran great. I pulled it off the track Saturday night and
>> all was
>>> fine.A Sunday morning, a few laps into qualifying, it lost
some
>> power
>>> and started running poorly.A We spent the next 4 hours
>> diagnosing and
>>> the engine compression and carb filters were fine.A It appears
>> as if
>>> the timing changed -- but how????A The distributor had not
>> moved at
>>> all and was secure.A So, we think either the MSD box or MSD
>>> distributor failed.A We still have limited spacrs for the
>> Pantera --
>>> so we were done Sunday without racing the final race.A A
>>> Once the NASCAR sells, and now that the Pantera is doing well,
>> we will
>>> be loading up on spares. So please keep your eyes/ears out for
>> stock
>>> parts sitting around in garages and on shelves that were
>> replaced on
>>> modified cars.A A We will be looking for fairly priced stock
>>> components that typically fail.A A
>>> And, I was asked by SVRA to encourage more of you guys to get
>> your race
>>> and street Panteras out to the events.A We will be racing the
>> SVRA
>>> event on April 21-24 at Laguna Seca.A It would be great to get
>> another
>>> Pantera or two in the paddock with us.A I am sure a few
>> Panteras in
>>> the paddock will get a lot of attention.A A A A
>>> Again, thanks all!
>>> A A A
>>> Regards,A
>>> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
>>> The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
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You guys who have actually built a 351-C or two know there are two
problem here, First of all, aftermarket distributor gears are NOT brass
(which is copper alloyed with zinc) but bronze (copper alloyed with
tin). Bronze is harder than brass but softer than stock chilled cast
iron or steel. When used in a distributor drive to power an oil pump,
bronze is a short term solution. I believe most were/are used by drag
racers or street engine builders as a quick fix for the 50-yr-old
shortage of steel drive gears used with steel cams in out-of-production
Cleveland engines.
Bronze is cheap and easy to cast and cut into gears- both on 351-C &
the 429-460 big- blocks (same gear). Knowledgable Ford engine builders
say a bronze gear will begin wearing instantly and it's functional life
depends on the rpms the engine experiences and the type of oil pump
it's driving. To a lesser degree, the kind & grade of oil used. At most
in round numbers, 5000 easy miles before performance drops notably; at
worst, one (1.0) middling-long competition event. YMMV....
Second, a standard 351-C oil pump off a stock engine is much bigger &
more capable of supplying oil than a small block pump for hipo-289s,
Boss 302s, or even LeMans-capable 427 FEs in a GT-40. It is truly a
racing class pump. High pressure or high volume pumps are utter
overkill. Not for gear wear but on the gear PIN, since the loads on it
will be much, much higher even discounting the debris-in-oil argument.
The wrong pin is often delivered even in high-buck aftermarket dizzys.
The Ford pin is two sizes smaller than a GM pin, and is often made of a
coil of spring steel, which has no impact resistance at all. They fail
progressively in layers from debris impacts or from repeated jumping on
the throttle. And spring-steel chips in the oil are really bad news!
For 351-Cs, I recommend either a double-thickness set of 2 split pins,
two split-pins in separate holes or a single solid dowel pin or staked
piece of drill rod. NEVER a spring-pin.
As for engine damage, a gearotor oil pump is far better at providing
oil to a performance engine than a two-gear pump such as GM used. But
as Dan said, the gearotor due to its very tight tolerances is
notoriously intolerant of any sizable particle contaminates. Even
flakes of rubber (from stock valve seals) above a certain size will
momentarily jam up the gearotor. A GOOD filter and frequent oil changes
fixes this. And, a hardened steel driveshaft is std fare in performance
Fords and trucks. Stockers are seemingly made of recycled coathangers.
Bronze gear-tooth wear particles in oil that successfully pass first
thru a stock oil pump's primary screen, then thru a gearotor pump into
engine bearings, will necessarily be pretty small. And tiny flakes of
bronze, being a decent plain bearing material itself, is unlikely to
cause much damage to main or rod journals but will imbed into bearings.
No guarantees, though: debris in oil is still debris and bearings- even
racing tri-metal bearings- are far softer than any other material
involved.
Note- every bit of the above post goes all the way back to NASCAR's use
of the 351-C in the mid-'70s and has been endlessly published (and
debated) by numerous real authorities.
-----Original Message-----
From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>; Mike Drew
<mikeldrew at aol.com>
Cc: List DeTomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; Ken Green
<kenn_green at yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, Feb 15, 2022 12:18 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] #94 McDonald's NASCAR auction ends today and
"thanks"for the support last weekend
I thought at one-point composite gears were the next big thing? FWIW
here's Summit Racing's 'what gear should I use' tech advice and
bronze
only recommended for billet steel roller cam.
[1]Which distributor gear should I buy? (summitracing.com)
[2]Which distributor gear should I buy? - Summit Racing Equipment
Getting the right material is the most important part of choosing a
distributor gear. The gear should be slightly softer than the
camshaft.
This will ensure accurate ignition timing and a long engine life.
help.summitracing.com
Julian
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behalf of
Larry Stock <[2]larrys at panteraparts.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2022 11:59 AM
To: Mike Drew <[3]mikeldrew at aol.com>
Cc: List DeTomaso Forum <[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; Ken
Green
<[5]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] #94 McDonald's NASCAR auction ends today and
"thanks"for the support last weekend
I was originally told 10,000 miles but when I changed mine at 8000
miles it was worn and feathered more than I would have liked to have
seen, so that why I now say 5000 miles instead of the original 10,000
miles. You should follow the cam manufactures recommendations on
which
type of gear to run for each manufactures cam. Brass is safe to run
in
most all cases, but may not give much longevity, but it wont harm the
cam drive.
On 2/14/22, 8:46 PM, "Mike Drew" <[6]mikeldrew at aol.com> wrote:
5000 miles from a brass gear? The engine might barely run that
long
but significant degradation would happen much sooner.
Iron cams need iron gears and steel roller cams need steel gears.
Brass gears are a relic of the past....
Mike
Sent from my iPad
> On Feb 14, 2022, at 20:17, Larry Stock
<[7]larrys at panteraparts.com>
wrote:
>
> Yes, a brass sacrificial gear is only good for 5000 street
miles
> But it's for a race car
> Its running a racing engine
> If one pin is good, two pins are better
> Really
>
>
> On 2/14/22, 8:11 PM, "Mike Drew" <[8]mikeldrew at aol.com> wrote:
>
> Uh...no.
>
> Brass gear? Really? Those have an extremely limited
lifespan
and are disposable. Intended for race cars with roller cams whose
operational engine lives are measured in hours, if not seconds.
>
> If the car has a conventional cast iron cam it needs a cast
iron gear--if it even needs a gear at all, which I sincerely doubt.
>
> A broken drive pin is not a problem. It is a symptom of a
problem. Something else fell apart and debris was floating around in
the oil and jammed the oil pump gears which locked it up and the pin
worked as intended, shearing so that the driveshaft wasn't twisted
like
a licorice stick. That's the usual cause.
>
> Or could it be that there is excessive slack in the time
chain
which was transmitting shocks to the cam which overstressed the gear,
which is driven off the cam? I'm nit suggesting that IS a potential
cause; I'm asking IF it could be a potential cause to those who know
more than I about such things (which is an awful lot of people!)
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Feb 11, 2022, at 13:24, Larry Stock
<[9]larrys at panteraparts.com>
wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> 08130G
>>
>> Distributor Gear, Brass, dual shaft pins
>>
>>
$98.00
>>
>> [10]larrys at PanteraParts.com
>>
>>
>> From: Steve Lisa <[11]stevelisa at patentit.com>
>> Date: Friday, February 11, 2022 at 1:01 PM
>> To: Asa Jay Laughton <[12]asajay at asajay.com>
>> Cc: Larry Stock <[13]larrys at panteraparts.com>, Ken Green
>> <[14]kenn_green at yahoo.com>, List DeTomaso Forum
>> <[15]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] #94 McDonald's NASCAR auction ends
today and
>> "thanks"for the support last weekend
>>
>>
>> Any good sources for the best replacement parts?
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
>>
>> The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
>>
>> Email: [16]SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
>>
>> Direct: 480-442-0297
>>
>>
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>> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 2:00 PM Asa Jay Laughton
<[2][17]asajay at asajay.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Good to find root cause. I'm glad your team found it.
>>
>>
>> Now to shore it up and put the pedal to the metal.
>>
>>
>> Asa Jay
>>
>> <thumbs up>
>>
>> Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
>>
>> On Feb 11, 2022, at 12:21, Steve Lisa
<[3][18]stevelisa at patentit.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks all for the comments -- we pulled the dizzy and it is
as
you
>> suspected. The pin was there - broken, We will be doing
some
further
>> inspection.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
>>
>> The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
>>
>> Email: [19]SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
>>
>> Direct: 480-442-0297
>>
>>
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>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 3:01 PM Asa Jay Laughton
<[7][20]asajay at asajay.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> The gear can slip a few degrees and then bind up on the pin
fragments
>> and continue to provide good oil pressure. If the pin
totally
shears
>> and -doesn't- bind up, it's hit or miss but should manifest
with lower
>> oil pressure.
>>
>>
>> Best to remove the dizzy to inspect. Timing is off anyway,
it
bears
>> inspection.
>>
>>
>> Asa Jay
>>
>> Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
>>
>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 13:21, Steve Lisa
<[8][21]stevelisa at patentit.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> How would that kind of failure impact oil pressure? We still
had great
>> oil pressure. We checked at the track and saw only 6-8
degrees
of
>> timing and it ran like crap as a result, but had great oil
pressure.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
>>
>> The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
>>
>> Email: [22]SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
>>
>> Direct: 480-442-0297
>>
>>
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>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 1:13 PM Larry Stock
>> <[10][23]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
>>
>> That is what we did for the first 30+ years to strengthen the
single
>> pin design.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>>
>> From: Ken Green <[11][24]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
>> Reply-To: Ken Green <[12][25]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 11:58 AM
>> To: Asa Jay Laughton <[13][26]asajay at asajay.com>, Steve Lisa
>> <[14][27]stevelisa at patentit.com>, Larry Stock
<[15][28]larrys at panteraparts.com>
>> Cc: List DeTomaso Forum
<[16][29]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] #94 McDonald's NASCAR auction ends
today and
>> "thanks" for the support last weekend
>>
>>
>> I have a vague recollection about a smaller roll pin inside
the
>> standard roll pin?
>>
>>
>> A discussion here:
>>
>>
>>
[17][30]https://www.vintage-mustang.com/threads/351c-breaking-distribut
or-g
>> ear-tension-pin.1184541/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022, 10:33:14 AM PST, Larry Stock
>> <[18][31]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> It also drives the oil pump, and the new designs have two
pins
to hold
>> the gear on the shaft.
>> Larry
>> On 2/8/22, 9:59 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Asa Jay Laughton
via
>> DeTomaso" <[19][32]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
on
behalf of
>> [20][33]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>> Hi Steve,
>> You may need to pull the distributor. A common problem
used to be
>> the shear pin breaking on the gear to shaft connection. It
would
>> usually twist just enough to throw timing off and cause poor
running.
>> My money is on that, based on your description.
>> It doesn't happen often anymore but is more likely on
high
>> horsepower engines.
>> Let us know what you find. :)
>> Asa Jay
>> Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
>>>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 09:22, Steve Lisa
<[21][34]stevelisa at patentit.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> All,A
>>> The bidding on my #94 Bill Elliott NASCAR has gone high
enough
>> that I
>>> pulled the reserve.A It will be entertaining (at least for
me)
>> today
>>> to see how much higher (if any) it goes today.A It is set to
>> close
>>> around around 3:30 today.A I thoughtA I would send the link
in
>> case
>>> any of you are interested in watching the car go...
>>>
>>
[1][22][35]https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1994-ford-thunderbird-3/
>>> Also, following up on Mike's post re videos and pictures from
>> the
>>> Pantera weekend, I have reached out to SVRA and confirmed
that
>> they
>>> will share the video with me once they process it.A I want
to
>> say
>>> thanksA for all the support last weekend.A I forgot how much
>> fun
>>> Fontana is -- the last time I raced there was 20 years in a
>> Rolex race,
>>> driving a GT car.A NASCAR 2 certainly gets your attention.A
A
>> The
>>> Pantera ran great. I pulled it off the track Saturday night
and
>> all was
>>> fine.A Sunday morning, a few laps into qualifying, it lost
some
>> power
>>> and started running poorly.A We spent the next 4 hours
>> diagnosing and
>>> the engine compression and carb filters were fine.A It
appears
>> as if
>>> the timing changed -- but how????A The distributor had not
>> moved at
>>> all and was secure.A So, we think either the MSD box or MSD
>>> distributor failed.A We still have limited spacrs for the
>> Pantera --
>>> so we were done Sunday without racing the final race.A A
>>> Once the NASCAR sells, and now that the Pantera is doing
well,
>> we will
>>> be loading up on spares. So please keep your eyes/ears out
for
>> stock
>>> parts sitting around in garages and on shelves that were
>> replaced on
>>> modified cars.A A We will be looking for fairly priced stock
>>> components that typically fail.A A
>>> And, I was asked by SVRA to encourage more of you guys to get
>> your race
>>> and street Panteras out to the events.A We will be racing
the
>> SVRA
>>> event on April 21-24 at Laguna Seca.A It would be great to
get
>> another
>>> Pantera or two in the paddock with us.A I am sure a few
>> Panteras in
>>> the paddock will get a lot of attention.A A A A
>>> Again, thanks all!
>>> A A A
>>> Regards,A
>>> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
>>> The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
>>> Email: [23][36]SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
>>> Direct: 480-442-0297
>>> [2][24]www.PatentIt.com
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480.535.6628A
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85260
>>>
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>>> 1.
>>
[25][37]https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1994-ford-thunderbird-3/
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rs%201%20Composite%202,used%20as%20the%20default%20gear%20on%20replacem
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