[DeTomaso] steering noise question
Christopher Kimball
ChrisVKimball at msn.com
Mon Aug 1 11:06:00 EDT 2022
Thank you, I will have that checked out. I appreciate your help! Sincerely, Chris
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Date: 8/1/22 4:28 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>, Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
Cc: Pantera Owners Club of America <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
My guess is tie rods, or perhaps the ball/socket piece that's inside the rack.
If you remove the tie rods from the spindle and them move them up/down/back/forth, it should all be smooth - fairly stiff, but smooth.
Or, it could just be a dry rack.
On 7/31/22, 11:47 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Christopher Kimball" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
Yes, it just seems to be sort of creaky when I'm going over bumps or
turning at all. When I'm stopped and I turn the wheel it actually
sounds like something is binding.
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From: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
Date: 7/31/22 8:24 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
Cc: David <david at msmcontractors.org>, Konrad Szwab <kszwab at gmail.com>,
Pantera Owners Club of America <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
Did you say it was steering or when you went over a bump? Could it be
the balance bars binding?
Jeff
6559
On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 2:06 PM Christopher Kimball
<[1]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
Good news about the windows: I moved the passenger switch to the
driver's side, and the driver's side switch to the passenger
side, and
lo and behold, now they both work fine. I'm guessing corrosion
built
up on the terminals, and when I pulled them off and put them on
again
it restored the connection. I'll keep my eye on it and see if
there
are any other moments of hesitation with either window.
If only all Pantera projects were so easy to fix!
Now, about that steering noise...
Sincerely,
Chris
__________________________________________________________________
From: David <[2]david at msmcontractors.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 11:37 AM
To: Konrad Szwab <[3]kszwab at gmail.com>
Cc: Christopher Kimball <[4]ChrisVKimball at msn.com>; Pantera
Owners Club of
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
You should be able to see the Ammeter move if the motor is
working.
> On Jul 31, 2022, at 1:31 PM, Konrad Szwab <[6]kszwab at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> In my case it was hardened grease after 30 years. Took it
apart,
> cleaned, re greased and it is good. Already had brass gears
changed
by
> my father in 1992.
>
> On Sun, Jul 31, 2022, 12:41 PM Christopher Kimball
> <[1][7]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
>
> A A The power seems to be there when pushing the window
down
(it's
> already
> A A down all the way) but nothing when I push the switch
up.A I
> beleive the
> A A plastic window gears were replaced by brass units
before I
> bought the
> A A car, but that was over 16 years ago, and I'm just
taking the
> seller's
> A A word for it.
> A A Sincerely,
> A A Chris
> A A
> A
__________________________________________________________________
> A A From: Mike & Elizabeth <[2][8]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
> A A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:34 AM
> A A To: 'Christopher Kimball'
<[3][9]chrisvkimball at msn.com>;
'Pantera
> Owners Club
> A A of America' <[4][10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> A A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
> A A Are you saying that when you hit the window switch,
you can
> hear the
> A A motor trying to move the window down but nothing
happens
when
> you hit
> A A the switch to put it up?A Or, is it down and doesn't
want
to
> come up?
> A A Besides the switch, it could be that the original
plastic
gear
> in your
> A A window motor has failed, as in crumbled into little
bits,
and
> needs to
> A A be replaced.
> A A When I looked under the front of Chris' car, my
thought was
> some kind
> A A of binding in the rack and pinion gears or the turning
of
the
> steering
> A A shaft.A As Chris mentioned, it was quite pronounced
when he
> pulled into
> A A the garage, but completely gone after we'd swapped out
the
ZF
> fluid.
> A A Mike
> A A -----Original Message-----
> A A From: DeTomaso
<[5][11]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
On
> Behalf Of
> A A Christopher Kimball
> A A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:09 AM
> A A To: Pantera Owners Club of America
> <[6][12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> A A Subject: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
> A A I warned you that once I got my car back I'd again be
> inundating you
> A A with questions!
> A A Here are the latest two:
> A A A 1.A A My passenger window decided it no longer
wants to
go
> up.A The
> A A down position still seems to work.A I'm assuming the
switch
> has gone
> A A bad, so I'll order a new pair tomorrow.A In the
meantime,
is
> there
> A A anything special I need to be aware of when removing
the
> current
> A A switches?
> A A A 1.A A After driving about 45 minutes to Mike
Thomas'
house
> in warm
> A A weather the other day for the gear-oil change , as I
pulled
> into Mikes'
> A A garage the front of the car seemed to be groaning when
going
> over
> A A bumps, and especially when turning right or left.A
Once in
the
> garage
> A A and stationery, the sound was quite pronounced when I
turned
> the wheels
> A A left or right.A After the oil was changed, probably
an hour
or
> so, we
> A A jacked up the front of the car and Mike took a look at
the
> front wheels
> A A for loose bearings, and we again turned the wheels
> lock-to-lock.
> A A Nothing seemed wrong, and the noise was gone.A Even
after
the
> car was
> A A back on the ground the noise was no longer there.
> A A Yesterday, in 99-degree heat, I drove about an hour,
and the
> sound
> A A returned.A After letting the car sit for a couple of
hours,
> again, no
> A A sound.A After driving home again, however, the soundA
> A returned--I
> A A became aware of it after I turned off the freeway and
began
> turning
> A A left and right on the side streets.A It almost sounds
as if
> something
> A A is binding, or something under there needs
lubrication.A
Are
> there
> A A places to lube things under the front of the car?A If
so,
I'm
> ready
> A A with my new, handy-dandy grease gun!A Otherwise, what
could
be
> the
> A A problem?
> A A I appreciate your help and advice.
> A A Sincerely,
> A A Chris
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Thank you, I will have that checked out. I appreciate your help!
Sincerely, Chris
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From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
Date: 8/1/22 4:28 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>, Jeff Detrich
<jjdetrich at gmail.com>
Cc: Pantera Owners Club of America <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
My guess is tie rods, or perhaps the ball/socket piece that's inside
the rack.
If you remove the tie rods from the spindle and them move them
up/down/back/forth, it should all be smooth - fairly stiff, but smooth.
Or, it could just be a dry rack.
On 7/31/22, 11:47 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Christopher Kimball"
<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
Yes, it just seems to be sort of creaky when I'm going over
bumps or
turning at all. When I'm stopped and I turn the wheel it
actually
sounds like something is binding.
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From: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
Date: 7/31/22 8:24 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
Cc: David <david at msmcontractors.org>, Konrad Szwab
<kszwab at gmail.com>,
Pantera Owners Club of America
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
Did you say it was steering or when you went over a bump? Could
it be
the balance bars binding?
Jeff
6559
On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 2:06 PM Christopher Kimball
<[1]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
Good news about the windows: I moved the passenger switch
to the
driver's side, and the driver's side switch to the
passenger
side, and
lo and behold, now they both work fine. I'm guessing
corrosion
built
up on the terminals, and when I pulled them off and put
them on
again
it restored the connection. I'll keep my eye on it and see
if
there
are any other moments of hesitation with either window.
If only all Pantera projects were so easy to fix!
Now, about that steering noise...
Sincerely,
Chris
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
You should be able to see the Ammeter move if the motor is
working.
> On Jul 31, 2022, at 1:31 PM, Konrad Szwab
<[6]kszwab at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> In my case it was hardened grease after 30 years. Took
it
apart,
> cleaned, re greased and it is good. Already had brass
gears
changed
by
> my father in 1992.
>
> On Sun, Jul 31, 2022, 12:41 PM Christopher Kimball
> <[1][7]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
>
> A A The power seems to be there when pushing the
window
down
(it's
> already
> A A down all the way) but nothing when I push the
switch
up.A I
> beleive the
> A A plastic window gears were replaced by brass
units
before I
> bought the
> A A car, but that was over 16 years ago, and I'm
just
taking the
> seller's
> A A word for it.
> A A Sincerely,
> A A Chris
> A A
> A
__________________________________________________________________
> A A From: Mike & Elizabeth
<[2][8]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
> A A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:34 AM
> A A To: 'Christopher Kimball'
<[3][9]chrisvkimball at msn.com>;
'Pantera
> Owners Club
> A A of America'
<[4][10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> A A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
> A A Are you saying that when you hit the window
switch,
you can
> hear the
> A A motor trying to move the window down but nothing
happens
when
> you hit
> A A the switch to put it up?A Or, is it down and
doesn't
want
to
> come up?
> A A Besides the switch, it could be that the
original
plastic
gear
> in your
> A A window motor has failed, as in crumbled into
little
bits,
and
> needs to
> A A be replaced.
> A A When I looked under the front of Chris' car, my
thought was
> some kind
> A A of binding in the rack and pinion gears or the
turning
of
the
> steering
> A A shaft.A As Chris mentioned, it was quite
pronounced
when he
> pulled into
> A A the garage, but completely gone after we'd
swapped out
the
ZF
> fluid.
> A A Mike
> A A -----Original Message-----
> A A From: DeTomaso
<[5][11]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
On
> Behalf Of
> A A Christopher Kimball
> A A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:09 AM
> A A To: Pantera Owners Club of America
> <[6][12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> A A Subject: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
> A A I warned you that once I got my car back I'd
again be
> inundating you
> A A with questions!
> A A Here are the latest two:
> A A A 1.A A My passenger window decided it no
longer
wants to
go
> up.A The
> A A down position still seems to work.A I'm
assuming the
switch
> has gone
> A A bad, so I'll order a new pair tomorrow.A In the
meantime,
is
> there
> A A anything special I need to be aware of when
removing
the
> current
> A A switches?
> A A A 1.A A After driving about 45 minutes to Mike
Thomas'
house
> in warm
> A A weather the other day for the gear-oil change ,
as I
pulled
> into Mikes'
> A A garage the front of the car seemed to be
groaning when
going
> over
> A A bumps, and especially when turning right or
left.A
Once in
the
> garage
> A A and stationery, the sound was quite pronounced
when I
turned
> the wheels
> A A left or right.A After the oil was changed,
probably
an hour
or
> so, we
> A A jacked up the front of the car and Mike took a
look at
the
> front wheels
> A A for loose bearings, and we again turned the
wheels
> lock-to-lock.
> A A Nothing seemed wrong, and the noise was gone.A
Even
after
the
> car was
> A A back on the ground the noise was no longer
there.
> A A Yesterday, in 99-degree heat, I drove about an
hour,
and the
> sound
> A A returned.A After letting the car sit for a
couple of
hours,
> again, no
> A A sound.A After driving home again, however, the
soundA
> A returned--I
> A A became aware of it after I turned off the
freeway and
began
> turning
> A A left and right on the side streets.A It almost
sounds
as if
> something
> A A is binding, or something under there needs
lubrication.A
Are
> there
> A A places to lube things under the front of the
car?A If
so,
I'm
> ready
> A A with my new, handy-dandy grease gun!A
Otherwise, what
could
be
> the
> A A problem?
> A A I appreciate your help and advice.
> A A Sincerely,
> A A Chris
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