[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 218, Issue 1
Lance Nist
panteraefi at gmail.com
Mon Aug 1 14:02:39 EDT 2022
You could have a bad steering rack bushing, this bushing is located on the
passenger side.
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> 1. steering noise question (Christopher Kimball)
> 2. Re: steering noise question (Mike & Elizabeth)
> 3. Re: steering noise question (Christopher Kimball)
> 4. Re: steering noise question (Konrad Szwab)
> 5. Re: steering noise question (David)
> 6. Re: steering noise question (Christopher Kimball)
> 7. Re: steering noise question (Mike & Elizabeth)
> 8. Re: steering noise question (Jeff Detrich)
> 9. Re: steering noise question (Christopher Kimball)
> 10. Re: steering noise question (Will Kooiman)
> 11. Re: steering noise question (Christopher Kimball)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2022 17:09:11 +0000
> From: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
> To: Pantera Owners Club of America <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
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> I warned you that once I got my car back I'd again be inundating you with
> questions!
>
> Here are the latest two:
>
> 1. My passenger window decided it no longer wants to go up. The down
> position still seems to work. I'm assuming the switch has gone bad, so
> I'll order a new pair tomorrow. In the meantime, is there anything special
> I need to be aware of when removing the current switches?
>
> 1. After driving about 45 minutes to Mike Thomas' house in warm
> weather the other day for the gear-oil change , as I pulled into Mikes'
> garage the front of the car seemed to be groaning when going over bumps,
> and especially when turning right or left. Once in the garage and
> stationery, the sound was quite pronounced when I turned the wheels left or
> right. After the oil was changed, probably an hour or so, we jacked up the
> front of the car and Mike took a look at the front wheels for loose
> bearings, and we again turned the wheels lock-to-lock. Nothing seemed
> wrong, and the noise was gone. Even after the car was back on the ground
> the noise was no longer there.
>
> ???????????Yesterday, in 99-degree heat, I drove about an hour, and the
> sound returned. After letting the car sit for a couple of hours, again, no
> sound. After driving home again, however, the sound ????????? returned--I
> became aware of it after I turned off the freeway and began turning left
> and right on the side streets. It almost sounds as if something is
> binding, or something under there ???????????needs lubrication. Are there
> places to lube things under the front of the car? If so, I'm ready with my
> new, handy-dandy grease gun! Otherwise, what could be the problem?
>
> I appreciate your help and advice.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Chris
> -------------- next part --------------
> I warned you that once I got my car back I'd again be inundating you
> with questions!
>
> Here are the latest two:
>
> 1. My passenger window decided it no longer wants to go up. The down
> position still seems to work. I'm assuming the switch has gone
> bad, so I'll order a new pair tomorrow. In the meantime, is there
> anything special I need to be aware of when removing the current
> switches?
>
> 2. After driving about 45 minutes to Mike Thomas' house in warm
> weather the other day for the gear-oil change , as I pulled into
> Mikes' garage the front of the car seemed to be groaning when going
> over bumps, and especially when turning right or left. Once in the
> garage and stationery, the sound was quite pronounced when I turned
> the wheels left or right. After the oil was changed, probably an
> hour or so, we jacked up the front of the car and Mike took a look
> at the front wheels for loose bearings, and we again turned the
> wheels lock-to-lock. Nothing seemed wrong, and the noise was gone.
> Even after the car was back on the ground the noise was no longer
> there.
>
> Yesterday, in 99-degree heat, I drove about an hour, and the sound
> returned. After letting the car sit for a couple of hours, again, no
> sound. After driving home again, however, the sound returned--I
> became aware of it after I turned off the freeway and began turning
> left and right on the side streets. It almost sounds as if something
> is binding, or something under there needs lubrication. Are there
> places to lube things under the front of the car? If so, I'm ready
> with my new, handy-dandy grease gun! Otherwise, what could be the
> problem?
> I appreciate your help and advice.
> Sincerely,
> Chris
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2022 10:34:14 -0700
> From: "Mike & Elizabeth" <mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
> To: "'Christopher Kimball'" <chrisvkimball at msn.com>, "'Pantera Owners
> Club of America'" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
> Message-ID: <00dc01d8a503$c0dfb180$429f1480$@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Are you saying that when you hit the window switch, you can hear the motor
> trying to move the window down but nothing happens when you hit the switch
> to put it up? Or, is it down and doesn't want to come up? Besides the
> switch, it could be that the original plastic gear in your window motor has
> failed, as in crumbled into little bits, and needs to be replaced.
>
> When I looked under the front of Chris' car, my thought was some kind of
> binding in the rack and pinion gears or the turning of the steering shaft.
> As Chris mentioned, it was quite pronounced when he pulled into the garage,
> but completely gone after we'd swapped out the ZF fluid.
>
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On Behalf Of
> Christopher Kimball
> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:09 AM
> To: Pantera Owners Club of America <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
>
> I warned you that once I got my car back I'd again be inundating you with
> questions!
>
> Here are the latest two:
>
> 1. My passenger window decided it no longer wants to go up. The down
> position still seems to work. I'm assuming the switch has gone bad, so
> I'll order a new pair tomorrow. In the meantime, is there anything special
> I need to be aware of when removing the current switches?
>
> 1. After driving about 45 minutes to Mike Thomas' house in warm
> weather the other day for the gear-oil change , as I pulled into Mikes'
> garage the front of the car seemed to be groaning when going over bumps,
> and especially when turning right or left. Once in the garage and
> stationery, the sound was quite pronounced when I turned the wheels left or
> right. After the oil was changed, probably an hour or so, we jacked up the
> front of the car and Mike took a look at the front wheels for loose
> bearings, and we again turned the wheels lock-to-lock. Nothing seemed
> wrong, and the noise was gone. Even after the car was back on the ground
> the noise was no longer there.
>
> ???????????Yesterday, in 99-degree heat, I drove about an hour, and the
> sound returned. After letting the car sit for a couple of hours, again, no
> sound. After driving home again, however, the sound ????????? returned--I
> became aware of it after I turned off the freeway and began turning left
> and right on the side streets. It almost sounds as if something is
> binding, or something under there ???????????needs lubrication. Are there
> places to lube things under the front of the car? If so, I'm ready with my
> new, handy-dandy grease gun! Otherwise, what could be the problem?
>
> I appreciate your help and advice.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2022 17:41:07 +0000
> From: Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
> To: Mike & Elizabeth <mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>, 'Pantera Owners Club of
> America' <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
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> The power seems to be there when pushing the window down (it's already
> down all the way) but nothing when I push the switch up. I beleive the
> plastic window gears were replaced by brass units before I bought the car,
> but that was over 16 years ago, and I'm just taking the seller's word for
> it.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Chris
> ________________________________
> From: Mike & Elizabeth <mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:34 AM
> To: 'Christopher Kimball' <chrisvkimball at msn.com>; 'Pantera Owners Club
> of America' <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
>
> Are you saying that when you hit the window switch, you can hear the motor
> trying to move the window down but nothing happens when you hit the switch
> to put it up? Or, is it down and doesn't want to come up? Besides the
> switch, it could be that the original plastic gear in your window motor has
> failed, as in crumbled into little bits, and needs to be replaced.
>
> When I looked under the front of Chris' car, my thought was some kind of
> binding in the rack and pinion gears or the turning of the steering shaft.
> As Chris mentioned, it was quite pronounced when he pulled into the garage,
> but completely gone after we'd swapped out the ZF fluid.
>
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On Behalf Of
> Christopher Kimball
> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:09 AM
> To: Pantera Owners Club of America <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
>
> I warned you that once I got my car back I'd again be inundating you with
> questions!
>
> Here are the latest two:
>
> 1. My passenger window decided it no longer wants to go up. The down
> position still seems to work. I'm assuming the switch has gone bad, so
> I'll order a new pair tomorrow. In the meantime, is there anything special
> I need to be aware of when removing the current switches?
>
> 1. After driving about 45 minutes to Mike Thomas' house in warm
> weather the other day for the gear-oil change , as I pulled into Mikes'
> garage the front of the car seemed to be groaning when going over bumps,
> and especially when turning right or left. Once in the garage and
> stationery, the sound was quite pronounced when I turned the wheels left or
> right. After the oil was changed, probably an hour or so, we jacked up the
> front of the car and Mike took a look at the front wheels for loose
> bearings, and we again turned the wheels lock-to-lock. Nothing seemed
> wrong, and the noise was gone. Even after the car was back on the ground
> the noise was no longer there.
>
> ???????????Yesterday, in 99-degree heat, I drove about an hour, and the
> sound returned. After letting the car sit for a couple of hours, again, no
> sound. After driving home again, however, the sound ????????? returned--I
> became aware of it after I turned off the freeway and began turning left
> and right on the side streets. It almost sounds as if something is
> binding, or something under there ???????????needs lubrication. Are there
> places to lube things under the front of the car? If so, I'm ready with my
> new, handy-dandy grease gun! Otherwise, what could be the problem?
>
> I appreciate your help and advice.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Chris
>
> -------------- next part --------------
> The power seems to be there when pushing the window down (it's already
> down all the way) but nothing when I push the switch up. I beleive the
> plastic window gears were replaced by brass units before I bought the
> car, but that was over 16 years ago, and I'm just taking the seller's
> word for it.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Chris
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: Mike & Elizabeth <mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:34 AM
> To: 'Christopher Kimball' <chrisvkimball at msn.com>; 'Pantera Owners Club
> of America' <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
>
> Are you saying that when you hit the window switch, you can hear the
> motor trying to move the window down but nothing happens when you hit
> the switch to put it up? Or, is it down and doesn't want to come up?
> Besides the switch, it could be that the original plastic gear in your
> window motor has failed, as in crumbled into little bits, and needs to
> be replaced.
> When I looked under the front of Chris' car, my thought was some kind
> of binding in the rack and pinion gears or the turning of the steering
> shaft. As Chris mentioned, it was quite pronounced when he pulled into
> the garage, but completely gone after we'd swapped out the ZF fluid.
> Mike
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On Behalf Of
> Christopher Kimball
> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:09 AM
> To: Pantera Owners Club of America <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
> I warned you that once I got my car back I'd again be inundating you
> with questions!
> Here are the latest two:
> 1. My passenger window decided it no longer wants to go up. The
> down position still seems to work. I'm assuming the switch has gone
> bad, so I'll order a new pair tomorrow. In the meantime, is there
> anything special I need to be aware of when removing the current
> switches?
> 1. After driving about 45 minutes to Mike Thomas' house in warm
> weather the other day for the gear-oil change , as I pulled into Mikes'
> garage the front of the car seemed to be groaning when going over
> bumps, and especially when turning right or left. Once in the garage
> and stationery, the sound was quite pronounced when I turned the wheels
> left or right. After the oil was changed, probably an hour or so, we
> jacked up the front of the car and Mike took a look at the front wheels
> for loose bearings, and we again turned the wheels lock-to-lock.
> Nothing seemed wrong, and the noise was gone. Even after the car was
> back on the ground the noise was no longer there.
> Yesterday, in 99-degree heat, I drove about an hour, and the sound
> returned. After letting the car sit for a couple of hours, again, no
> sound. After driving home again, however, the sound returned--I
> became aware of it after I turned off the freeway and began turning
> left and right on the side streets. It almost sounds as if something
> is binding, or something under there needs lubrication. Are there
> places to lube things under the front of the car? If so, I'm ready
> with my new, handy-dandy grease gun! Otherwise, what could be the
> problem?
> I appreciate your help and advice.
> Sincerely,
> Chris
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2022 13:31:12 -0500
> From: Konrad Szwab <kszwab at gmail.com>
> To: Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
> Cc: Pantera Owners Club of America <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
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>
> In my case it was hardened grease after 30 years. Took it apart, cleaned,
> re greased and it is good. Already had brass gears changed by my father in
> 1992.
>
> On Sun, Jul 31, 2022, 12:41 PM Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
> wrote:
>
> > The power seems to be there when pushing the window down (it's already
> > down all the way) but nothing when I push the switch up. I beleive
> the
> > plastic window gears were replaced by brass units before I bought the
> > car, but that was over 16 years ago, and I'm just taking the seller's
> > word for it.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Chris
> > __________________________________________________________________
> >
> > From: Mike & Elizabeth <mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:34 AM
> > To: 'Christopher Kimball' <chrisvkimball at msn.com>; 'Pantera Owners
> Club
> > of America' <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
> >
> > Are you saying that when you hit the window switch, you can hear the
> > motor trying to move the window down but nothing happens when you hit
> > the switch to put it up? Or, is it down and doesn't want to come up?
> > Besides the switch, it could be that the original plastic gear in your
> > window motor has failed, as in crumbled into little bits, and needs to
> > be replaced.
> > When I looked under the front of Chris' car, my thought was some kind
> > of binding in the rack and pinion gears or the turning of the steering
> > shaft. As Chris mentioned, it was quite pronounced when he pulled
> into
> > the garage, but completely gone after we'd swapped out the ZF fluid.
> > Mike
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On Behalf
> Of
> > Christopher Kimball
> > Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:09 AM
> > To: Pantera Owners Club of America <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
> > I warned you that once I got my car back I'd again be inundating you
> > with questions!
> > Here are the latest two:
> > 1. My passenger window decided it no longer wants to go up. The
> > down position still seems to work. I'm assuming the switch has gone
> > bad, so I'll order a new pair tomorrow. In the meantime, is there
> > anything special I need to be aware of when removing the current
> > switches?
> > 1. After driving about 45 minutes to Mike Thomas' house in warm
> > weather the other day for the gear-oil change , as I pulled into
> Mikes'
> > garage the front of the car seemed to be groaning when going over
> > bumps, and especially when turning right or left. Once in the garage
> > and stationery, the sound was quite pronounced when I turned the
> wheels
> > left or right. After the oil was changed, probably an hour or so, we
> > jacked up the front of the car and Mike took a look at the front
> wheels
> > for loose bearings, and we again turned the wheels lock-to-lock.
> > Nothing seemed wrong, and the noise was gone. Even after the car was
> > back on the ground the noise was no longer there.
> > Yesterday, in 99-degree heat, I drove about an hour, and the sound
> > returned. After letting the car sit for a couple of hours, again, no
> > sound. After driving home again, however, the sound returned--I
> > became aware of it after I turned off the freeway and began turning
> > left and right on the side streets. It almost sounds as if something
> > is binding, or something under there needs lubrication. Are there
> > places to lube things under the front of the car? If so, I'm ready
> > with my new, handy-dandy grease gun! Otherwise, what could be the
> > problem?
> > I appreciate your help and advice.
> > Sincerely,
> > Chris
> > _______________________________________________
> >
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> -------------- next part --------------
> In my case it was hardened grease after 30 years. Took it apart,
> cleaned, re greased and it is good. Already had brass gears changed by
> my father in 1992.
>
> On Sun, Jul 31, 2022, 12:41 PM Christopher Kimball
> <[1]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
>
> A A The power seems to be there when pushing the window down (it's
> already
> A A down all the way) but nothing when I push the switch up.A I
> beleive the
> A A plastic window gears were replaced by brass units before I
> bought the
> A A car, but that was over 16 years ago, and I'm just taking the
> seller's
> A A word for it.
> A A Sincerely,
> A A Chris
> A A
> A __________________________________________________________________
> A A From: Mike & Elizabeth <[2]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
> A A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:34 AM
> A A To: 'Christopher Kimball' <[3]chrisvkimball at msn.com>; 'Pantera
> Owners Club
> A A of America' <[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> A A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
> A A Are you saying that when you hit the window switch, you can
> hear the
> A A motor trying to move the window down but nothing happens when
> you hit
> A A the switch to put it up?A Or, is it down and doesn't want to
> come up?
> A A Besides the switch, it could be that the original plastic gear
> in your
> A A window motor has failed, as in crumbled into little bits, and
> needs to
> A A be replaced.
> A A When I looked under the front of Chris' car, my thought was
> some kind
> A A of binding in the rack and pinion gears or the turning of the
> steering
> A A shaft.A As Chris mentioned, it was quite pronounced when he
> pulled into
> A A the garage, but completely gone after we'd swapped out the ZF
> fluid.
> A A Mike
> A A -----Original Message-----
> A A From: DeTomaso <[5]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On
> Behalf Of
> A A Christopher Kimball
> A A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:09 AM
> A A To: Pantera Owners Club of America
> <[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> A A Subject: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
> A A I warned you that once I got my car back I'd again be
> inundating you
> A A with questions!
> A A Here are the latest two:
> A A A 1.A A My passenger window decided it no longer wants to go
> up.A The
> A A down position still seems to work.A I'm assuming the switch
> has gone
> A A bad, so I'll order a new pair tomorrow.A In the meantime, is
> there
> A A anything special I need to be aware of when removing the
> current
> A A switches?
> A A A 1.A A After driving about 45 minutes to Mike Thomas' house
> in warm
> A A weather the other day for the gear-oil change , as I pulled
> into Mikes'
> A A garage the front of the car seemed to be groaning when going
> over
> A A bumps, and especially when turning right or left.A Once in the
> garage
> A A and stationery, the sound was quite pronounced when I turned
> the wheels
> A A left or right.A After the oil was changed, probably an hour or
> so, we
> A A jacked up the front of the car and Mike took a look at the
> front wheels
> A A for loose bearings, and we again turned the wheels
> lock-to-lock.
> A A Nothing seemed wrong, and the noise was gone.A Even after the
> car was
> A A back on the ground the noise was no longer there.
> A A Yesterday, in 99-degree heat, I drove about an hour, and the
> sound
> A A returned.A After letting the car sit for a couple of hours,
> again, no
> A A sound.A After driving home again, however, the soundA
> A returned--I
> A A became aware of it after I turned off the freeway and began
> turning
> A A left and right on the side streets.A It almost sounds as if
> something
> A A is binding, or something under there needs lubrication.A Are
> there
> A A places to lube things under the front of the car?A If so, I'm
> ready
> A A with my new, handy-dandy grease gun!A Otherwise, what could be
> the
> A A problem?
> A A I appreciate your help and advice.
> A A Sincerely,
> A A Chris
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2022 13:37:59 -0500
> From: David <david at msmcontractors.org>
> To: Konrad Szwab <kszwab at gmail.com>
> Cc: Pantera Owners Club of America <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
> Message-ID: <4B7EE356-D197-4DBB-AB26-1AA1E2A21988 at msmcontractors.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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> You should be able to see the Ammeter move if the motor is working.
>
>
> > On Jul 31, 2022, at 1:31 PM, Konrad Szwab <kszwab at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > In my case it was hardened grease after 30 years. Took it apart,
> > cleaned, re greased and it is good. Already had brass gears changed by
> > my father in 1992.
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 31, 2022, 12:41 PM Christopher Kimball
> > <[1]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
> >
> > A A The power seems to be there when pushing the window down (it's
> > already
> > A A down all the way) but nothing when I push the switch up.A I
> > beleive the
> > A A plastic window gears were replaced by brass units before I
> > bought the
> > A A car, but that was over 16 years ago, and I'm just taking the
> > seller's
> > A A word for it.
> > A A Sincerely,
> > A A Chris
> > A A
> > A __________________________________________________________________
> > A A From: Mike & Elizabeth <[2]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
> > A A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:34 AM
> > A A To: 'Christopher Kimball' <[3]chrisvkimball at msn.com>; 'Pantera
> > Owners Club
> > A A of America' <[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > A A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
> > A A Are you saying that when you hit the window switch, you can
> > hear the
> > A A motor trying to move the window down but nothing happens when
> > you hit
> > A A the switch to put it up?A Or, is it down and doesn't want to
> > come up?
> > A A Besides the switch, it could be that the original plastic gear
> > in your
> > A A window motor has failed, as in crumbled into little bits, and
> > needs to
> > A A be replaced.
> > A A When I looked under the front of Chris' car, my thought was
> > some kind
> > A A of binding in the rack and pinion gears or the turning of the
> > steering
> > A A shaft.A As Chris mentioned, it was quite pronounced when he
> > pulled into
> > A A the garage, but completely gone after we'd swapped out the ZF
> > fluid.
> > A A Mike
> > A A -----Original Message-----
> > A A From: DeTomaso <[5]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On
> > Behalf Of
> > A A Christopher Kimball
> > A A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:09 AM
> > A A To: Pantera Owners Club of America
> > <[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > A A Subject: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
> > A A I warned you that once I got my car back I'd again be
> > inundating you
> > A A with questions!
> > A A Here are the latest two:
> > A A A 1.A A My passenger window decided it no longer wants to go
> > up.A The
> > A A down position still seems to work.A I'm assuming the switch
> > has gone
> > A A bad, so I'll order a new pair tomorrow.A In the meantime, is
> > there
> > A A anything special I need to be aware of when removing the
> > current
> > A A switches?
> > A A A 1.A A After driving about 45 minutes to Mike Thomas' house
> > in warm
> > A A weather the other day for the gear-oil change , as I pulled
> > into Mikes'
> > A A garage the front of the car seemed to be groaning when going
> > over
> > A A bumps, and especially when turning right or left.A Once in the
> > garage
> > A A and stationery, the sound was quite pronounced when I turned
> > the wheels
> > A A left or right.A After the oil was changed, probably an hour or
> > so, we
> > A A jacked up the front of the car and Mike took a look at the
> > front wheels
> > A A for loose bearings, and we again turned the wheels
> > lock-to-lock.
> > A A Nothing seemed wrong, and the noise was gone.A Even after the
> > car was
> > A A back on the ground the noise was no longer there.
> > A A Yesterday, in 99-degree heat, I drove about an hour, and the
> > sound
> > A A returned.A After letting the car sit for a couple of hours,
> > again, no
> > A A sound.A After driving home again, however, the soundA
> > A returned--I
> > A A became aware of it after I turned off the freeway and began
> > turning
> > A A left and right on the side streets.A It almost sounds as if
> > something
> > A A is binding, or something under there needs lubrication.A Are
> > there
> > A A places to lube things under the front of the car?A If so, I'm
> > ready
> > A A with my new, handy-dandy grease gun!A Otherwise, what could be
> > the
> > A A problem?
> > A A I appreciate your help and advice.
> > A A Sincerely,
> > A A Chris
> > _______________________________________________
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2022 19:06:33 +0000
> From: Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
> To: David <david at msmcontractors.org>, Konrad Szwab <kszwab at gmail.com>
> Cc: Pantera Owners Club of America <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
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> Good news about the windows: I moved the passenger switch to the driver's
> side, and the driver's side switch to the passenger side, and lo and
> behold, now they both work fine. I'm guessing corrosion built up on the
> terminals, and when I pulled them off and put them on again it restored the
> connection. I'll keep my eye on it and see if there are any other moments
> of hesitation with either window.
>
> If only all Pantera projects were so easy to fix!
>
> Now, about that steering noise...
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Chris
> ________________________________
> From: David <david at msmcontractors.org>
> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 11:37 AM
> To: Konrad Szwab <kszwab at gmail.com>
> Cc: Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>; Pantera Owners Club of
> America <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
>
> You should be able to see the Ammeter move if the motor is working.
>
>
> > On Jul 31, 2022, at 1:31 PM, Konrad Szwab <kszwab at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > In my case it was hardened grease after 30 years. Took it apart,
> > cleaned, re greased and it is good. Already had brass gears changed by
> > my father in 1992.
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 31, 2022, 12:41 PM Christopher Kimball
> > <[1]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
> >
> > A A The power seems to be there when pushing the window down (it's
> > already
> > A A down all the way) but nothing when I push the switch up.A I
> > beleive the
> > A A plastic window gears were replaced by brass units before I
> > bought the
> > A A car, but that was over 16 years ago, and I'm just taking the
> > seller's
> > A A word for it.
> > A A Sincerely,
> > A A Chris
> > A A
> > A __________________________________________________________________
> > A A From: Mike & Elizabeth <[2]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
> > A A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:34 AM
> > A A To: 'Christopher Kimball' <[3]chrisvkimball at msn.com>; 'Pantera
> > Owners Club
> > A A of America' <[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > A A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
> > A A Are you saying that when you hit the window switch, you can
> > hear the
> > A A motor trying to move the window down but nothing happens when
> > you hit
> > A A the switch to put it up?A Or, is it down and doesn't want to
> > come up?
> > A A Besides the switch, it could be that the original plastic gear
> > in your
> > A A window motor has failed, as in crumbled into little bits, and
> > needs to
> > A A be replaced.
> > A A When I looked under the front of Chris' car, my thought was
> > some kind
> > A A of binding in the rack and pinion gears or the turning of the
> > steering
> > A A shaft.A As Chris mentioned, it was quite pronounced when he
> > pulled into
> > A A the garage, but completely gone after we'd swapped out the ZF
> > fluid.
> > A A Mike
> > A A -----Original Message-----
> > A A From: DeTomaso <[5]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On
> > Behalf Of
> > A A Christopher Kimball
> > A A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:09 AM
> > A A To: Pantera Owners Club of America
> > <[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > A A Subject: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
> > A A I warned you that once I got my car back I'd again be
> > inundating you
> > A A with questions!
> > A A Here are the latest two:
> > A A A 1.A A My passenger window decided it no longer wants to go
> > up.A The
> > A A down position still seems to work.A I'm assuming the switch
> > has gone
> > A A bad, so I'll order a new pair tomorrow.A In the meantime, is
> > there
> > A A anything special I need to be aware of when removing the
> > current
> > A A switches?
> > A A A 1.A A After driving about 45 minutes to Mike Thomas' house
> > in warm
> > A A weather the other day for the gear-oil change , as I pulled
> > into Mikes'
> > A A garage the front of the car seemed to be groaning when going
> > over
> > A A bumps, and especially when turning right or left.A Once in the
> > garage
> > A A and stationery, the sound was quite pronounced when I turned
> > the wheels
> > A A left or right.A After the oil was changed, probably an hour or
> > so, we
> > A A jacked up the front of the car and Mike took a look at the
> > front wheels
> > A A for loose bearings, and we again turned the wheels
> > lock-to-lock.
> > A A Nothing seemed wrong, and the noise was gone.A Even after the
> > car was
> > A A back on the ground the noise was no longer there.
> > A A Yesterday, in 99-degree heat, I drove about an hour, and the
> > sound
> > A A returned.A After letting the car sit for a couple of hours,
> > again, no
> > A A sound.A After driving home again, however, the soundA
> > A returned--I
> > A A became aware of it after I turned off the freeway and began
> > turning
> > A A left and right on the side streets.A It almost sounds as if
> > something
> > A A is binding, or something under there needs lubrication.A Are
> > there
> > A A places to lube things under the front of the car?A If so, I'm
> > ready
> > A A with my new, handy-dandy grease gun!A Otherwise, what could be
> > the
> > A A problem?
> > A A I appreciate your help and advice.
> > A A Sincerely,
> > A A Chris
> > _______________________________________________
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> Good news about the windows: I moved the passenger switch to the
> driver's side, and the driver's side switch to the passenger side, and
> lo and behold, now they both work fine. I'm guessing corrosion built
> up on the terminals, and when I pulled them off and put them on again
> it restored the connection. I'll keep my eye on it and see if there
> are any other moments of hesitation with either window.
>
> If only all Pantera projects were so easy to fix!
>
> Now, about that steering noise...
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Chris
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: David <david at msmcontractors.org>
> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 11:37 AM
> To: Konrad Szwab <kszwab at gmail.com>
> Cc: Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>; Pantera Owners Club of
> America <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
>
> You should be able to see the Ammeter move if the motor is working.
> > On Jul 31, 2022, at 1:31 PM, Konrad Szwab <kszwab at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > In my case it was hardened grease after 30 years. Took it apart,
> > cleaned, re greased and it is good. Already had brass gears changed
> by
> > my father in 1992.
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 31, 2022, 12:41 PM Christopher Kimball
> > <[1]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
> >
> > A A The power seems to be there when pushing the window down
> (it's
> > already
> > A A down all the way) but nothing when I push the switch up.A I
> > beleive the
> > A A plastic window gears were replaced by brass units before I
> > bought the
> > A A car, but that was over 16 years ago, and I'm just taking the
> > seller's
> > A A word for it.
> > A A Sincerely,
> > A A Chris
> > A A
> > A
> __________________________________________________________________
> > A A From: Mike & Elizabeth <[2]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
> > A A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:34 AM
> > A A To: 'Christopher Kimball' <[3]chrisvkimball at msn.com>;
> 'Pantera
> > Owners Club
> > A A of America' <[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > A A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
> > A A Are you saying that when you hit the window switch, you can
> > hear the
> > A A motor trying to move the window down but nothing happens
> when
> > you hit
> > A A the switch to put it up?A Or, is it down and doesn't want
> to
> > come up?
> > A A Besides the switch, it could be that the original plastic
> gear
> > in your
> > A A window motor has failed, as in crumbled into little bits,
> and
> > needs to
> > A A be replaced.
> > A A When I looked under the front of Chris' car, my thought was
> > some kind
> > A A of binding in the rack and pinion gears or the turning of
> the
> > steering
> > A A shaft.A As Chris mentioned, it was quite pronounced when he
> > pulled into
> > A A the garage, but completely gone after we'd swapped out the
> ZF
> > fluid.
> > A A Mike
> > A A -----Original Message-----
> > A A From: DeTomaso <[5]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
> On
> > Behalf Of
> > A A Christopher Kimball
> > A A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:09 AM
> > A A To: Pantera Owners Club of America
> > <[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > A A Subject: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
> > A A I warned you that once I got my car back I'd again be
> > inundating you
> > A A with questions!
> > A A Here are the latest two:
> > A A A 1.A A My passenger window decided it no longer wants to
> go
> > up.A The
> > A A down position still seems to work.A I'm assuming the switch
> > has gone
> > A A bad, so I'll order a new pair tomorrow.A In the meantime,
> is
> > there
> > A A anything special I need to be aware of when removing the
> > current
> > A A switches?
> > A A A 1.A A After driving about 45 minutes to Mike Thomas'
> house
> > in warm
> > A A weather the other day for the gear-oil change , as I pulled
> > into Mikes'
> > A A garage the front of the car seemed to be groaning when going
> > over
> > A A bumps, and especially when turning right or left.A Once in
> the
> > garage
> > A A and stationery, the sound was quite pronounced when I turned
> > the wheels
> > A A left or right.A After the oil was changed, probably an hour
> or
> > so, we
> > A A jacked up the front of the car and Mike took a look at the
> > front wheels
> > A A for loose bearings, and we again turned the wheels
> > lock-to-lock.
> > A A Nothing seemed wrong, and the noise was gone.A Even after
> the
> > car was
> > A A back on the ground the noise was no longer there.
> > A A Yesterday, in 99-degree heat, I drove about an hour, and the
> > sound
> > A A returned.A After letting the car sit for a couple of hours,
> > again, no
> > A A sound.A After driving home again, however, the soundA
> > A returned--I
> > A A became aware of it after I turned off the freeway and began
> > turning
> > A A left and right on the side streets.A It almost sounds as if
> > something
> > A A is binding, or something under there needs lubrication.A
> Are
> > there
> > A A places to lube things under the front of the car?A If so,
> I'm
> > ready
> > A A with my new, handy-dandy grease gun!A Otherwise, what could
> be
> > the
> > A A problem?
> > A A I appreciate your help and advice.
> > A A Sincerely,
> > A A Chris
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2022 14:46:51 -0700
> From: "Mike & Elizabeth" <mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
> To: "'Christopher Kimball'" <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>, "'David'"
> <david at msmcontractors.org>, "'Konrad Szwab'" <kszwab at gmail.com>
> Cc: 'Pantera Owners Club of America'
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
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> Sorry that you're having to many issues on a car that's been recently
> 'restored'.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On Behalf Of
> Christopher Kimball
> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 12:07 PM
> To: David <david at msmcontractors.org>; Konrad Szwab <kszwab at gmail.com>
> Cc: Pantera Owners Club of America <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
>
> Good news about the windows: I moved the passenger switch to the driver's
> side, and the driver's side switch to the passenger side, and lo and
> behold,
> now they both work fine. I'm guessing corrosion built up on the terminals,
> and when I pulled them off and put them on again it restored the
> connection.
> I'll keep my eye on it and see if there are any other moments of hesitation
> with either window.
>
> If only all Pantera projects were so easy to fix!
>
> Now, about that steering noise...
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Chris
> ________________________________
> From: David <david at msmcontractors.org>
> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 11:37 AM
> To: Konrad Szwab <kszwab at gmail.com>
> Cc: Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>; Pantera Owners Club of
> America <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
>
> You should be able to see the Ammeter move if the motor is working.
>
>
> > On Jul 31, 2022, at 1:31 PM, Konrad Szwab <kszwab at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > In my case it was hardened grease after 30 years. Took it apart,
> > cleaned, re greased and it is good. Already had brass gears changed by
> > my father in 1992.
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 31, 2022, 12:41 PM Christopher Kimball
> > <[1]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
> >
> > A A The power seems to be there when pushing the window down (it's
> > already
> > A A down all the way) but nothing when I push the switch up.A I
> > beleive the
> > A A plastic window gears were replaced by brass units before I
> > bought the
> > A A car, but that was over 16 years ago, and I'm just taking the
> > seller's
> > A A word for it.
> > A A Sincerely,
> > A A Chris
> > A A
> > A __________________________________________________________________
> > A A From: Mike & Elizabeth <[2]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
> > A A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:34 AM
> > A A To: 'Christopher Kimball' <[3]chrisvkimball at msn.com>; 'Pantera
> > Owners Club
> > A A of America' <[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > A A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
> > A A Are you saying that when you hit the window switch, you can
> > hear the
> > A A motor trying to move the window down but nothing happens when
> > you hit
> > A A the switch to put it up?A Or, is it down and doesn't want to
> > come up?
> > A A Besides the switch, it could be that the original plastic gear
> > in your
> > A A window motor has failed, as in crumbled into little bits, and
> > needs to
> > A A be replaced.
> > A A When I looked under the front of Chris' car, my thought was
> > some kind
> > A A of binding in the rack and pinion gears or the turning of the
> > steering
> > A A shaft.A As Chris mentioned, it was quite pronounced when he
> > pulled into
> > A A the garage, but completely gone after we'd swapped out the ZF
> > fluid.
> > A A Mike
> > A A -----Original Message-----
> > A A From: DeTomaso <[5]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On
> > Behalf Of
> > A A Christopher Kimball
> > A A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:09 AM
> > A A To: Pantera Owners Club of America
> > <[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > A A Subject: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
> > A A I warned you that once I got my car back I'd again be
> > inundating you
> > A A with questions!
> > A A Here are the latest two:
> > A A A 1.A A My passenger window decided it no longer wants to go
> > up.A The
> > A A down position still seems to work.A I'm assuming the switch
> > has gone
> > A A bad, so I'll order a new pair tomorrow.A In the meantime, is
> > there
> > A A anything special I need to be aware of when removing the
> > current
> > A A switches?
> > A A A 1.A A After driving about 45 minutes to Mike Thomas' house
> > in warm
> > A A weather the other day for the gear-oil change , as I pulled
> > into Mikes'
> > A A garage the front of the car seemed to be groaning when going
> > over
> > A A bumps, and especially when turning right or left.A Once in the
> > garage
> > A A and stationery, the sound was quite pronounced when I turned
> > the wheels
> > A A left or right.A After the oil was changed, probably an hour or
> > so, we
> > A A jacked up the front of the car and Mike took a look at the
> > front wheels
> > A A for loose bearings, and we again turned the wheels
> > lock-to-lock.
> > A A Nothing seemed wrong, and the noise was gone.A Even after the
> > car was
> > A A back on the ground the noise was no longer there.
> > A A Yesterday, in 99-degree heat, I drove about an hour, and the
> > sound
> > A A returned.A After letting the car sit for a couple of hours,
> > again, no
> > A A sound.A After driving home again, however, the soundA
> > A returned--I
> > A A became aware of it after I turned off the freeway and began
> > turning
> > A A left and right on the side streets.A It almost sounds as if
> > something
> > A A is binding, or something under there needs lubrication.A Are
> > there
> > A A places to lube things under the front of the car?A If so, I'm
> > ready
> > A A with my new, handy-dandy grease gun!A Otherwise, what could be
> > the
> > A A problem?
> > A A I appreciate your help and advice.
> > A A Sincerely,
> > A A Chris
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2022 22:24:40 -0500
> From: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
> To: Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
> Cc: Pantera Owners Club of America <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
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> Did you say it was steering or when you went over a bump? Could it be the
> balance bars binding?
>
> Jeff
> 6559
>
> On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 2:06 PM Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > Good news about the windows: I moved the passenger switch to the
> > driver's side, and the driver's side switch to the passenger side, and
> > lo and behold, now they both work fine. I'm guessing corrosion built
> > up on the terminals, and when I pulled them off and put them on again
> > it restored the connection. I'll keep my eye on it and see if there
> > are any other moments of hesitation with either window.
> >
> > If only all Pantera projects were so easy to fix!
> >
> > Now, about that steering noise...
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Chris
> > __________________________________________________________________
> >
> > From: David <david at msmcontractors.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 11:37 AM
> > To: Konrad Szwab <kszwab at gmail.com>
> > Cc: Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>; Pantera Owners Club
> of
> > America <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
> >
> > You should be able to see the Ammeter move if the motor is working.
> > > On Jul 31, 2022, at 1:31 PM, Konrad Szwab <kszwab at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > In my case it was hardened grease after 30 years. Took it apart,
> > > cleaned, re greased and it is good. Already had brass gears
> changed
> > by
> > > my father in 1992.
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jul 31, 2022, 12:41 PM Christopher Kimball
> > > <[1]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > A A The power seems to be there when pushing the window down
> > (it's
> > > already
> > > A A down all the way) but nothing when I push the switch up.A
> I
> > > beleive the
> > > A A plastic window gears were replaced by brass units before I
> > > bought the
> > > A A car, but that was over 16 years ago, and I'm just taking
> the
> > > seller's
> > > A A word for it.
> > > A A Sincerely,
> > > A A Chris
> > > A A
> > > A
> > __________________________________________________________________
> > > A A From: Mike & Elizabeth <[2]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
> > > A A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:34 AM
> > > A A To: 'Christopher Kimball' <[3]chrisvkimball at msn.com>;
> > 'Pantera
> > > Owners Club
> > > A A of America' <[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > > A A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
> > > A A Are you saying that when you hit the window switch, you can
> > > hear the
> > > A A motor trying to move the window down but nothing happens
> > when
> > > you hit
> > > A A the switch to put it up?A Or, is it down and doesn't want
> > to
> > > come up?
> > > A A Besides the switch, it could be that the original plastic
> > gear
> > > in your
> > > A A window motor has failed, as in crumbled into little bits,
> > and
> > > needs to
> > > A A be replaced.
> > > A A When I looked under the front of Chris' car, my thought was
> > > some kind
> > > A A of binding in the rack and pinion gears or the turning of
> > the
> > > steering
> > > A A shaft.A As Chris mentioned, it was quite pronounced when
> he
> > > pulled into
> > > A A the garage, but completely gone after we'd swapped out the
> > ZF
> > > fluid.
> > > A A Mike
> > > A A -----Original Message-----
> > > A A From: DeTomaso <[5]
> detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
> > On
> > > Behalf Of
> > > A A Christopher Kimball
> > > A A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:09 AM
> > > A A To: Pantera Owners Club of America
> > > <[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > > A A Subject: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
> > > A A I warned you that once I got my car back I'd again be
> > > inundating you
> > > A A with questions!
> > > A A Here are the latest two:
> > > A A A 1.A A My passenger window decided it no longer wants to
> > go
> > > up.A The
> > > A A down position still seems to work.A I'm assuming the
> switch
> > > has gone
> > > A A bad, so I'll order a new pair tomorrow.A In the meantime,
> > is
> > > there
> > > A A anything special I need to be aware of when removing the
> > > current
> > > A A switches?
> > > A A A 1.A A After driving about 45 minutes to Mike Thomas'
> > house
> > > in warm
> > > A A weather the other day for the gear-oil change , as I pulled
> > > into Mikes'
> > > A A garage the front of the car seemed to be groaning when
> going
> > > over
> > > A A bumps, and especially when turning right or left.A Once in
> > the
> > > garage
> > > A A and stationery, the sound was quite pronounced when I
> turned
> > > the wheels
> > > A A left or right.A After the oil was changed, probably an
> hour
> > or
> > > so, we
> > > A A jacked up the front of the car and Mike took a look at the
> > > front wheels
> > > A A for loose bearings, and we again turned the wheels
> > > lock-to-lock.
> > > A A Nothing seemed wrong, and the noise was gone.A Even after
> > the
> > > car was
> > > A A back on the ground the noise was no longer there.
> > > A A Yesterday, in 99-degree heat, I drove about an hour, and
> the
> > > sound
> > > A A returned.A After letting the car sit for a couple of
> hours,
> > > again, no
> > > A A sound.A After driving home again, however, the soundA
> > > A returned--I
> > > A A became aware of it after I turned off the freeway and began
> > > turning
> > > A A left and right on the side streets.A It almost sounds as
> if
> > > something
> > > A A is binding, or something under there needs lubrication.A
> > Are
> > > there
> > > A A places to lube things under the front of the car?A If so,
> > I'm
> > > ready
> > > A A with my new, handy-dandy grease gun!A Otherwise, what
> could
> > be
> > > the
> > > A A problem?
> > > A A I appreciate your help and advice.
> > > A A Sincerely,
> > > A A Chris
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> Did you say it was steering or when you went over a bump? Could it be
> the balance bars binding?
>
> Jeff
>
> 6559
>
> On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 2:06 PM Christopher Kimball
> <[1]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
>
> A A Good news about the windows:A I moved the passenger switch to
> the
> A A driver's side, and the driver's side switch to the passenger
> side, and
> A A lo and behold, now they both work fine.A I'm guessing
> corrosion built
> A A up on the terminals, and when I pulled them off and put them on
> again
> A A it restored the connection.A I'll keep my eye on it and see if
> there
> A A are any other moments of hesitation with either window.
> A A If only all Pantera projects were so easy to fix!
> A A Now, about that steering noise...
> A A Sincerely,
> A A Chris
> A A
> A __________________________________________________________________
> A A From: David <[2]david at msmcontractors.org>
> A A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 11:37 AM
> A A To: Konrad Szwab <[3]kszwab at gmail.com>
> A A Cc: Christopher Kimball <[4]ChrisVKimball at msn.com>; Pantera
> Owners Club of
> A A America <[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
> A A You should be able to see the Ammeter move if the motor is
> working.
> A A > On Jul 31, 2022, at 1:31 PM, Konrad Szwab
> <[6]kszwab at gmail.com> wrote:
> A A >
> A A >A A In my case it was hardened grease after 30 years. Took it
> apart,
> A A >A A cleaned, re greased and it is good. Already had brass
> gears changed
> A A by
> A A >A A my father in 1992.
> A A >
> A A >A A On Sun, Jul 31, 2022, 12:41 PM Christopher Kimball
> A A >A A <[1][7]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
> A A >
> A A >A A A AA A The power seems to be there when pushing the
> window down
> A A (it's
> A A >A A A already
> A A >A A A AA A down all the way) but nothing when I push the
> switch up.AA I
> A A >A A A beleive the
> A A >A A A AA A plastic window gears were replaced by brass
> units before I
> A A >A A A bought the
> A A >A A A AA A car, but that was over 16 years ago, and I'm
> just taking the
> A A >A A A seller's
> A A >A A A AA A word for it.
> A A >A A A AA A Sincerely,
> A A >A A A AA A Chris
> A A >A A A AA A
> A A >A A A A
> A
> A __________________________________________________________________
> A A >A A A AA A From: Mike & Elizabeth
> <[2][8]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
> A A >A A A AA A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:34 AM
> A A >A A A AA A To: 'Christopher Kimball'
> <[3][9]chrisvkimball at msn.com>;
> A A 'Pantera
> A A >A A A Owners Club
> A A >A A A AA A of America'
> <[4][10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> A A >A A A AA A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
> A A >A A A AA A Are you saying that when you hit the window
> switch, you can
> A A >A A A hear the
> A A >A A A AA A motor trying to move the window down but nothing
> happens
> A A when
> A A >A A A you hit
> A A >A A A AA A the switch to put it up?AA Or, is it down and
> doesn't want
> A A to
> A A >A A A come up?
> A A >A A A AA A Besides the switch, it could be that the
> original plastic
> A A gear
> A A >A A A in your
> A A >A A A AA A window motor has failed, as in crumbled into
> little bits,
> A A and
> A A >A A A needs to
> A A >A A A AA A be replaced.
> A A >A A A AA A When I looked under the front of Chris' car, my
> thought was
> A A >A A A some kind
> A A >A A A AA A of binding in the rack and pinion gears or the
> turning of
> A A the
> A A >A A A steering
> A A >A A A AA A shaft.AA As Chris mentioned, it was quite
> pronounced when he
> A A >A A A pulled into
> A A >A A A AA A the garage, but completely gone after we'd
> swapped out the
> A A ZF
> A A >A A A fluid.
> A A >A A A AA A Mike
> A A >A A A AA A -----Original Message-----
> A A >A A A AA A From: DeTomaso
> <[5][11]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
> A A On
> A A >A A A Behalf Of
> A A >A A A AA A Christopher Kimball
> A A >A A A AA A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:09 AM
> A A >A A A AA A To: Pantera Owners Club of America
> A A >A A A <[6][12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> A A >A A A AA A Subject: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
> A A >A A A AA A I warned you that once I got my car back I'd
> again be
> A A >A A A inundating you
> A A >A A A AA A with questions!
> A A >A A A AA A Here are the latest two:
> A A >A A A AA AA A 1.AA A My passenger window decided it no
> longer wants to
> A A go
> A A >A A A up.AA The
> A A >A A A AA A down position still seems to work.AA I'm
> assuming the switch
> A A >A A A has gone
> A A >A A A AA A bad, so I'll order a new pair tomorrow.AA In
> the meantime,
> A A is
> A A >A A A there
> A A >A A A AA A anything special I need to be aware of when
> removing the
> A A >A A A current
> A A >A A A AA A switches?
> A A >A A A AA AA A 1.AA A After driving about 45 minutes to
> Mike Thomas'
> A A house
> A A >A A A in warm
> A A >A A A AA A weather the other day for the gear-oil change ,
> as I pulled
> A A >A A A into Mikes'
> A A >A A A AA A garage the front of the car seemed to be
> groaning when going
> A A >A A A over
> A A >A A A AA A bumps, and especially when turning right or
> left.AA Once in
> A A the
> A A >A A A garage
> A A >A A A AA A and stationery, the sound was quite pronounced
> when I turned
> A A >A A A the wheels
> A A >A A A AA A left or right.AA After the oil was changed,
> probably an hour
> A A or
> A A >A A A so, we
> A A >A A A AA A jacked up the front of the car and Mike took a
> look at the
> A A >A A A front wheels
> A A >A A A AA A for loose bearings, and we again turned the
> wheels
> A A >A A A lock-to-lock.
> A A >A A A AA A Nothing seemed wrong, and the noise was gone.AA
> Even after
> A A the
> A A >A A A car was
> A A >A A A AA A back on the ground the noise was no longer
> there.
> A A >A A A AA A Yesterday, in 99-degree heat, I drove about an
> hour, and the
> A A >A A A sound
> A A >A A A AA A returned.AA After letting the car sit for a
> couple of hours,
> A A >A A A again, no
> A A >A A A AA A sound.AA After driving home again, however, the
> soundA
> A A >A A A A returned--I
> A A >A A A AA A became aware of it after I turned off the
> freeway and began
> A A >A A A turning
> A A >A A A AA A left and right on the side streets.AA It almost
> sounds as if
> A A >A A A something
> A A >A A A AA A is binding, or something under there needs
> lubrication.A
> A A Are
> A A >A A A there
> A A >A A A AA A places to lube things under the front of the
> car?AA If so,
> A A I'm
> A A >A A A ready
> A A >A A A AA A with my new, handy-dandy grease gun!AA
> Otherwise, what could
> A A be
> A A >A A A the
> A A >A A A AA A problem?
> A A >A A A AA A I appreciate your help and advice.
> A A >A A A AA A Sincerely,
> A A >A A A AA A Chris
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> Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2022 03:47:11 +0000
> From: Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
> To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
> Cc: Pantera Owners Club of America <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
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> Yes, it just seems to be sort of creaky when I'm going over bumps or
> turning at all. When I'm stopped and I turn the wheel it actually sounds
> like something is binding.
>
>
>
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>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
> Date: 7/31/22 8:24 PM (GMT-08:00)
> To: Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
> Cc: David <david at msmcontractors.org>, Konrad Szwab <kszwab at gmail.com>,
> Pantera Owners Club of America <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
>
> Did you say it was steering or when you went over a bump? Could it be the
> balance bars binding?
>
> Jeff
> 6559
>
> On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 2:06 PM Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com
> <mailto:ChrisVKimball at msn.com>> wrote:
> Good news about the windows: I moved the passenger switch to the
> driver's side, and the driver's side switch to the passenger side, and
> lo and behold, now they both work fine. I'm guessing corrosion built
> up on the terminals, and when I pulled them off and put them on again
> it restored the connection. I'll keep my eye on it and see if there
> are any other moments of hesitation with either window.
>
> If only all Pantera projects were so easy to fix!
>
> Now, about that steering noise...
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Chris
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: David <david at msmcontractors.org<mailto:david at msmcontractors.org>>
> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 11:37 AM
> To: Konrad Szwab <kszwab at gmail.com<mailto:kszwab at gmail.com>>
> Cc: Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com<mailto:
> ChrisVKimball at msn.com>>; Pantera Owners Club of
> America <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
>
> You should be able to see the Ammeter move if the motor is working.
> > On Jul 31, 2022, at 1:31 PM, Konrad Szwab <kszwab at gmail.com<mailto:
> kszwab at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > In my case it was hardened grease after 30 years. Took it apart,
> > cleaned, re greased and it is good. Already had brass gears changed
> by
> > my father in 1992.
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 31, 2022, 12:41 PM Christopher Kimball
> > <[1]ChrisVKimball at msn.com<mailto:ChrisVKimball at msn.com>> wrote:
> >
> > A A The power seems to be there when pushing the window down
> (it's
> > already
> > A A down all the way) but nothing when I push the switch up.A I
> > beleive the
> > A A plastic window gears were replaced by brass units before I
> > bought the
> > A A car, but that was over 16 years ago, and I'm just taking the
> > seller's
> > A A word for it.
> > A A Sincerely,
> > A A Chris
> > A A
> > A
> __________________________________________________________________
> > A A From: Mike & Elizabeth <[2]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com<mailto:
> mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>>
> > A A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:34 AM
> > A A To: 'Christopher Kimball' <[3]chrisvkimball at msn.com<mailto:
> chrisvkimball at msn.com>>;
> 'Pantera
> > Owners Club
> > A A of America' <[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
> > A A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
> > A A Are you saying that when you hit the window switch, you can
> > hear the
> > A A motor trying to move the window down but nothing happens
> when
> > you hit
> > A A the switch to put it up?A Or, is it down and doesn't want
> to
> > come up?
> > A A Besides the switch, it could be that the original plastic
> gear
> > in your
> > A A window motor has failed, as in crumbled into little bits,
> and
> > needs to
> > A A be replaced.
> > A A When I looked under the front of Chris' car, my thought was
> > some kind
> > A A of binding in the rack and pinion gears or the turning of
> the
> > steering
> > A A shaft.A As Chris mentioned, it was quite pronounced when he
> > pulled into
> > A A the garage, but completely gone after we'd swapped out the
> ZF
> > fluid.
> > A A Mike
> > A A -----Original Message-----
> > A A From: DeTomaso <[5]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> <mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>>
> On
> > Behalf Of
> > A A Christopher Kimball
> > A A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:09 AM
> > A A To: Pantera Owners Club of America
> > <[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
> > A A Subject: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
> > A A I warned you that once I got my car back I'd again be
> > inundating you
> > A A with questions!
> > A A Here are the latest two:
> > A A A 1.A A My passenger window decided it no longer wants to
> go
> > up.A The
> > A A down position still seems to work.A I'm assuming the switch
> > has gone
> > A A bad, so I'll order a new pair tomorrow.A In the meantime,
> is
> > there
> > A A anything special I need to be aware of when removing the
> > current
> > A A switches?
> > A A A 1.A A After driving about 45 minutes to Mike Thomas'
> house
> > in warm
> > A A weather the other day for the gear-oil change , as I pulled
> > into Mikes'
> > A A garage the front of the car seemed to be groaning when going
> > over
> > A A bumps, and especially when turning right or left.A Once in
> the
> > garage
> > A A and stationery, the sound was quite pronounced when I turned
> > the wheels
> > A A left or right.A After the oil was changed, probably an hour
> or
> > so, we
> > A A jacked up the front of the car and Mike took a look at the
> > front wheels
> > A A for loose bearings, and we again turned the wheels
> > lock-to-lock.
> > A A Nothing seemed wrong, and the noise was gone.A Even after
> the
> > car was
> > A A back on the ground the noise was no longer there.
> > A A Yesterday, in 99-degree heat, I drove about an hour, and the
> > sound
> > A A returned.A After letting the car sit for a couple of hours,
> > again, no
> > A A sound.A After driving home again, however, the soundA
> > A returned--I
> > A A became aware of it after I turned off the freeway and began
> > turning
> > A A left and right on the side streets.A It almost sounds as if
> > something
> > A A is binding, or something under there needs lubrication.A
> Are
> > there
> > A A places to lube things under the front of the car?A If so,
> I'm
> > ready
> > A A with my new, handy-dandy grease gun!A Otherwise, what could
> be
> > the
> > A A problem?
> > A A I appreciate your help and advice.
> > A A Sincerely,
> > A A Chris
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> Yes, it just seems to be sort of creaky when I'm going over bumps or
> turning at all. When I'm stopped and I turn the wheel it actually
> sounds like something is binding.
>
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> smartphone
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> -------- Original message --------
>
> From: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
>
> Date: 7/31/22 8:24 PM (GMT-08:00)
>
> To: Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
>
> Cc: David <david at msmcontractors.org>, Konrad Szwab <kszwab at gmail.com>,
> Pantera Owners Club of America <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
>
> Did you say it was steering or when you went over a bump? Could it be
> the balance bars binding?
> Jeff
> 6559
> On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 2:06 PM Christopher Kimball
> <[1]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
>
> Good news about the windows: I moved the passenger switch to the
> driver's side, and the driver's side switch to the passenger
> side, and
> lo and behold, now they both work fine. I'm guessing corrosion
> built
> up on the terminals, and when I pulled them off and put them on
> again
> it restored the connection. I'll keep my eye on it and see if
> there
> are any other moments of hesitation with either window.
> If only all Pantera projects were so easy to fix!
> Now, about that steering noise...
> Sincerely,
> Chris
>
> __________________________________________________________________
> From: David <[2]david at msmcontractors.org>
> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 11:37 AM
> To: Konrad Szwab <[3]kszwab at gmail.com>
> Cc: Christopher Kimball <[4]ChrisVKimball at msn.com>; Pantera
> Owners Club of
> America <[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
> You should be able to see the Ammeter move if the motor is
> working.
> > On Jul 31, 2022, at 1:31 PM, Konrad Szwab <[6]kszwab at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > In my case it was hardened grease after 30 years. Took it
> apart,
> > cleaned, re greased and it is good. Already had brass gears
> changed
> by
> > my father in 1992.
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 31, 2022, 12:41 PM Christopher Kimball
> > <[1][7]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
> >
> > A A The power seems to be there when pushing the window
> down
> (it's
> > already
> > A A down all the way) but nothing when I push the switch
> up.A I
> > beleive the
> > A A plastic window gears were replaced by brass units
> before I
> > bought the
> > A A car, but that was over 16 years ago, and I'm just
> taking the
> > seller's
> > A A word for it.
> > A A Sincerely,
> > A A Chris
> > A A
> > A
>
> __________________________________________________________________
> > A A From: Mike & Elizabeth <[2][8]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
> > A A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:34 AM
> > A A To: 'Christopher Kimball'
> <[3][9]chrisvkimball at msn.com>;
> 'Pantera
> > Owners Club
> > A A of America' <[4][10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > A A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
> > A A Are you saying that when you hit the window switch,
> you can
> > hear the
> > A A motor trying to move the window down but nothing
> happens
> when
> > you hit
> > A A the switch to put it up?A Or, is it down and doesn't
> want
> to
> > come up?
> > A A Besides the switch, it could be that the original
> plastic
> gear
> > in your
> > A A window motor has failed, as in crumbled into little
> bits,
> and
> > needs to
> > A A be replaced.
> > A A When I looked under the front of Chris' car, my
> thought was
> > some kind
> > A A of binding in the rack and pinion gears or the turning
> of
> the
> > steering
> > A A shaft.A As Chris mentioned, it was quite pronounced
> when he
> > pulled into
> > A A the garage, but completely gone after we'd swapped out
> the
> ZF
> > fluid.
> > A A Mike
> > A A -----Original Message-----
> > A A From: DeTomaso
> <[5][11]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
> On
> > Behalf Of
> > A A Christopher Kimball
> > A A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:09 AM
> > A A To: Pantera Owners Club of America
> > <[6][12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > A A Subject: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
> > A A I warned you that once I got my car back I'd again be
> > inundating you
> > A A with questions!
> > A A Here are the latest two:
> > A A A 1.A A My passenger window decided it no longer
> wants to
> go
> > up.A The
> > A A down position still seems to work.A I'm assuming the
> switch
> > has gone
> > A A bad, so I'll order a new pair tomorrow.A In the
> meantime,
> is
> > there
> > A A anything special I need to be aware of when removing
> the
> > current
> > A A switches?
> > A A A 1.A A After driving about 45 minutes to Mike
> Thomas'
> house
> > in warm
> > A A weather the other day for the gear-oil change , as I
> pulled
> > into Mikes'
> > A A garage the front of the car seemed to be groaning when
> going
> > over
> > A A bumps, and especially when turning right or left.A
> Once in
> the
> > garage
> > A A and stationery, the sound was quite pronounced when I
> turned
> > the wheels
> > A A left or right.A After the oil was changed, probably
> an hour
> or
> > so, we
> > A A jacked up the front of the car and Mike took a look at
> the
> > front wheels
> > A A for loose bearings, and we again turned the wheels
> > lock-to-lock.
> > A A Nothing seemed wrong, and the noise was gone.A Even
> after
> the
> > car was
> > A A back on the ground the noise was no longer there.
> > A A Yesterday, in 99-degree heat, I drove about an hour,
> and the
> > sound
> > A A returned.A After letting the car sit for a couple of
> hours,
> > again, no
> > A A sound.A After driving home again, however, the soundA
> > A returned--I
> > A A became aware of it after I turned off the freeway and
> began
> > turning
> > A A left and right on the side streets.A It almost sounds
> as if
> > something
> > A A is binding, or something under there needs
> lubrication.A
> Are
> > there
> > A A places to lube things under the front of the car?A If
> so,
> I'm
> > ready
> > A A with my new, handy-dandy grease gun!A Otherwise, what
> could
> be
> > the
> > A A problem?
> > A A I appreciate your help and advice.
> > A A Sincerely,
> > A A Chris
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> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2022 07:28:26 -0400
> From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> To: Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>, Jeff Detrich
> <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
> Cc: Pantera Owners Club of America <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
> Message-ID: <D2D27EE6-DE74-4517-B8BC-13A21591BA04 at gmail.com>
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> My guess is tie rods, or perhaps the ball/socket piece that's inside the
> rack.
>
> If you remove the tie rods from the spindle and them move them
> up/down/back/forth, it should all be smooth - fairly stiff, but smooth.
>
> Or, it could just be a dry rack.
>
> ?On 7/31/22, 11:47 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Christopher Kimball" <
> detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, it just seems to be sort of creaky when I'm going over bumps or
> turning at all. When I'm stopped and I turn the wheel it actually
> sounds like something is binding.
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9+, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable
> smartphone
>
> -------- Original message --------
>
> From: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
>
> Date: 7/31/22 8:24 PM (GMT-08:00)
>
> To: Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
>
> Cc: David <david at msmcontractors.org>, Konrad Szwab <
> kszwab at gmail.com>,
> Pantera Owners Club of America <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
>
> Did you say it was steering or when you went over a bump? Could it
> be
> the balance bars binding?
> Jeff
> 6559
> On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 2:06 PM Christopher Kimball
> <[1]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
>
> Good news about the windows: I moved the passenger switch to
> the
> driver's side, and the driver's side switch to the passenger
> side, and
> lo and behold, now they both work fine. I'm guessing corrosion
> built
> up on the terminals, and when I pulled them off and put them on
> again
> it restored the connection. I'll keep my eye on it and see if
> there
> are any other moments of hesitation with either window.
> If only all Pantera projects were so easy to fix!
> Now, about that steering noise...
> Sincerely,
> Chris
>
> __________________________________________________________________
> From: David <[2]david at msmcontractors.org>
> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 11:37 AM
> To: Konrad Szwab <[3]kszwab at gmail.com>
> Cc: Christopher Kimball <[4]ChrisVKimball at msn.com>; Pantera
> Owners Club of
> America <[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
> You should be able to see the Ammeter move if the motor is
> working.
> > On Jul 31, 2022, at 1:31 PM, Konrad Szwab <[6]
> kszwab at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > In my case it was hardened grease after 30 years. Took it
> apart,
> > cleaned, re greased and it is good. Already had brass gears
> changed
> by
> > my father in 1992.
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 31, 2022, 12:41 PM Christopher Kimball
> > <[1][7]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
> >
> > A A The power seems to be there when pushing the window
> down
> (it's
> > already
> > A A down all the way) but nothing when I push the switch
> up.A I
> > beleive the
> > A A plastic window gears were replaced by brass units
> before I
> > bought the
> > A A car, but that was over 16 years ago, and I'm just
> taking the
> > seller's
> > A A word for it.
> > A A Sincerely,
> > A A Chris
> > A A
> > A
>
> __________________________________________________________________
> > A A From: Mike & Elizabeth <[2][8]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com
> >
> > A A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:34 AM
> > A A To: 'Christopher Kimball'
> <[3][9]chrisvkimball at msn.com>;
> 'Pantera
> > Owners Club
> > A A of America' <[4][10]
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > A A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
> > A A Are you saying that when you hit the window switch,
> you can
> > hear the
> > A A motor trying to move the window down but nothing
> happens
> when
> > you hit
> > A A the switch to put it up?A Or, is it down and
> doesn't
> want
> to
> > come up?
> > A A Besides the switch, it could be that the original
> plastic
> gear
> > in your
> > A A window motor has failed, as in crumbled into little
> bits,
> and
> > needs to
> > A A be replaced.
> > A A When I looked under the front of Chris' car, my
> thought was
> > some kind
> > A A of binding in the rack and pinion gears or the
> turning
> of
> the
> > steering
> > A A shaft.A As Chris mentioned, it was quite pronounced
> when he
> > pulled into
> > A A the garage, but completely gone after we'd swapped
> out
> the
> ZF
> > fluid.
> > A A Mike
> > A A -----Original Message-----
> > A A From: DeTomaso
> <[5][11]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
> On
> > Behalf Of
> > A A Christopher Kimball
> > A A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:09 AM
> > A A To: Pantera Owners Club of America
> > <[6][12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > A A Subject: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
> > A A I warned you that once I got my car back I'd again
> be
> > inundating you
> > A A with questions!
> > A A Here are the latest two:
> > A A A 1.A A My passenger window decided it no longer
> wants to
> go
> > up.A The
> > A A down position still seems to work.A I'm assuming
> the
> switch
> > has gone
> > A A bad, so I'll order a new pair tomorrow.A In the
> meantime,
> is
> > there
> > A A anything special I need to be aware of when removing
> the
> > current
> > A A switches?
> > A A A 1.A A After driving about 45 minutes to Mike
> Thomas'
> house
> > in warm
> > A A weather the other day for the gear-oil change , as I
> pulled
> > into Mikes'
> > A A garage the front of the car seemed to be groaning
> when
> going
> > over
> > A A bumps, and especially when turning right or left.A
> Once in
> the
> > garage
> > A A and stationery, the sound was quite pronounced when
> I
> turned
> > the wheels
> > A A left or right.A After the oil was changed, probably
> an hour
> or
> > so, we
> > A A jacked up the front of the car and Mike took a look
> at
> the
> > front wheels
> > A A for loose bearings, and we again turned the wheels
> > lock-to-lock.
> > A A Nothing seemed wrong, and the noise was gone.A Even
> after
> the
> > car was
> > A A back on the ground the noise was no longer there.
> > A A Yesterday, in 99-degree heat, I drove about an hour,
> and the
> > sound
> > A A returned.A After letting the car sit for a couple
> of
> hours,
> > again, no
> > A A sound.A After driving home again, however, the
> soundA
> > A returned--I
> > A A became aware of it after I turned off the freeway
> and
> began
> > turning
> > A A left and right on the side streets.A It almost
> sounds
> as if
> > something
> > A A is binding, or something under there needs
> lubrication.A
> Are
> > there
> > A A places to lube things under the front of the car?A
> If
> so,
> I'm
> > ready
> > A A with my new, handy-dandy grease gun!A Otherwise,
> what
> could
> be
> > the
> > A A problem?
> > A A I appreciate your help and advice.
> > A A Sincerely,
> > A A Chris
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> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2022 15:06:00 +0000
> From: Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
> To: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>, Jeff Detrich
> <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
> Cc: Pantera Owners Club of America <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
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> Thank you, I will have that checked out. I appreciate your help!
> Sincerely, Chris
>
>
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9+, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> Date: 8/1/22 4:28 AM (GMT-08:00)
> To: Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>, Jeff Detrich <
> jjdetrich at gmail.com>
> Cc: Pantera Owners Club of America <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
>
> My guess is tie rods, or perhaps the ball/socket piece that's inside the
> rack.
>
> If you remove the tie rods from the spindle and them move them
> up/down/back/forth, it should all be smooth - fairly stiff, but smooth.
>
> Or, it could just be a dry rack.
>
> ?On 7/31/22, 11:47 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Christopher Kimball" <
> detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, it just seems to be sort of creaky when I'm going over bumps or
> turning at all. When I'm stopped and I turn the wheel it actually
> sounds like something is binding.
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9+, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable
> smartphone
>
> -------- Original message --------
>
> From: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
>
> Date: 7/31/22 8:24 PM (GMT-08:00)
>
> To: Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
>
> Cc: David <david at msmcontractors.org>, Konrad Szwab <
> kszwab at gmail.com>,
> Pantera Owners Club of America <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
>
> Did you say it was steering or when you went over a bump? Could it
> be
> the balance bars binding?
> Jeff
> 6559
> On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 2:06 PM Christopher Kimball
> <[1]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
>
> Good news about the windows: I moved the passenger switch to
> the
> driver's side, and the driver's side switch to the passenger
> side, and
> lo and behold, now they both work fine. I'm guessing corrosion
> built
> up on the terminals, and when I pulled them off and put them on
> again
> it restored the connection. I'll keep my eye on it and see if
> there
> are any other moments of hesitation with either window.
> If only all Pantera projects were so easy to fix!
> Now, about that steering noise...
> Sincerely,
> Chris
>
> __________________________________________________________________
> From: David <[2]david at msmcontractors.org>
> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 11:37 AM
> To: Konrad Szwab <[3]kszwab at gmail.com>
> Cc: Christopher Kimball <[4]ChrisVKimball at msn.com>; Pantera
> Owners Club of
> America <[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
> You should be able to see the Ammeter move if the motor is
> working.
> > On Jul 31, 2022, at 1:31 PM, Konrad Szwab <[6]
> kszwab at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > In my case it was hardened grease after 30 years. Took it
> apart,
> > cleaned, re greased and it is good. Already had brass gears
> changed
> by
> > my father in 1992.
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 31, 2022, 12:41 PM Christopher Kimball
> > <[1][7]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
> >
> > A A The power seems to be there when pushing the window
> down
> (it's
> > already
> > A A down all the way) but nothing when I push the switch
> up.A I
> > beleive the
> > A A plastic window gears were replaced by brass units
> before I
> > bought the
> > A A car, but that was over 16 years ago, and I'm just
> taking the
> > seller's
> > A A word for it.
> > A A Sincerely,
> > A A Chris
> > A A
> > A
>
> __________________________________________________________________
> > A A From: Mike & Elizabeth <[2][8]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com
> >
> > A A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:34 AM
> > A A To: 'Christopher Kimball'
> <[3][9]chrisvkimball at msn.com>;
> 'Pantera
> > Owners Club
> > A A of America' <[4][10]
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > A A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
> > A A Are you saying that when you hit the window switch,
> you can
> > hear the
> > A A motor trying to move the window down but nothing
> happens
> when
> > you hit
> > A A the switch to put it up?A Or, is it down and
> doesn't
> want
> to
> > come up?
> > A A Besides the switch, it could be that the original
> plastic
> gear
> > in your
> > A A window motor has failed, as in crumbled into little
> bits,
> and
> > needs to
> > A A be replaced.
> > A A When I looked under the front of Chris' car, my
> thought was
> > some kind
> > A A of binding in the rack and pinion gears or the
> turning
> of
> the
> > steering
> > A A shaft.A As Chris mentioned, it was quite pronounced
> when he
> > pulled into
> > A A the garage, but completely gone after we'd swapped
> out
> the
> ZF
> > fluid.
> > A A Mike
> > A A -----Original Message-----
> > A A From: DeTomaso
> <[5][11]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
> On
> > Behalf Of
> > A A Christopher Kimball
> > A A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:09 AM
> > A A To: Pantera Owners Club of America
> > <[6][12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > A A Subject: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
> > A A I warned you that once I got my car back I'd again
> be
> > inundating you
> > A A with questions!
> > A A Here are the latest two:
> > A A A 1.A A My passenger window decided it no longer
> wants to
> go
> > up.A The
> > A A down position still seems to work.A I'm assuming
> the
> switch
> > has gone
> > A A bad, so I'll order a new pair tomorrow.A In the
> meantime,
> is
> > there
> > A A anything special I need to be aware of when removing
> the
> > current
> > A A switches?
> > A A A 1.A A After driving about 45 minutes to Mike
> Thomas'
> house
> > in warm
> > A A weather the other day for the gear-oil change , as I
> pulled
> > into Mikes'
> > A A garage the front of the car seemed to be groaning
> when
> going
> > over
> > A A bumps, and especially when turning right or left.A
> Once in
> the
> > garage
> > A A and stationery, the sound was quite pronounced when
> I
> turned
> > the wheels
> > A A left or right.A After the oil was changed, probably
> an hour
> or
> > so, we
> > A A jacked up the front of the car and Mike took a look
> at
> the
> > front wheels
> > A A for loose bearings, and we again turned the wheels
> > lock-to-lock.
> > A A Nothing seemed wrong, and the noise was gone.A Even
> after
> the
> > car was
> > A A back on the ground the noise was no longer there.
> > A A Yesterday, in 99-degree heat, I drove about an hour,
> and the
> > sound
> > A A returned.A After letting the car sit for a couple
> of
> hours,
> > again, no
> > A A sound.A After driving home again, however, the
> soundA
> > A returned--I
> > A A became aware of it after I turned off the freeway
> and
> began
> > turning
> > A A left and right on the side streets.A It almost
> sounds
> as if
> > something
> > A A is binding, or something under there needs
> lubrication.A
> Are
> > there
> > A A places to lube things under the front of the car?A
> If
> so,
> I'm
> > ready
> > A A with my new, handy-dandy grease gun!A Otherwise,
> what
> could
> be
> > the
> > A A problem?
> > A A I appreciate your help and advice.
> > A A Sincerely,
> > A A Chris
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> Thank you, I will have that checked out. I appreciate your help!
> Sincerely, Chris
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9+, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable
> smartphone
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> Date: 8/1/22 4:28 AM (GMT-08:00)
> To: Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>, Jeff Detrich
> <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
> Cc: Pantera Owners Club of America <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
>
> My guess is tie rods, or perhaps the ball/socket piece that's inside
> the rack.
> If you remove the tie rods from the spindle and them move them
> up/down/back/forth, it should all be smooth - fairly stiff, but smooth.
> Or, it could just be a dry rack.
> On 7/31/22, 11:47 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Christopher Kimball"
> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
> Yes, it just seems to be sort of creaky when I'm going over
> bumps or
> turning at all. When I'm stopped and I turn the wheel it
> actually
> sounds like something is binding.
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9+, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable
> smartphone
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
> Date: 7/31/22 8:24 PM (GMT-08:00)
> To: Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
> Cc: David <david at msmcontractors.org>, Konrad Szwab
> <kszwab at gmail.com>,
> Pantera Owners Club of America
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
> Did you say it was steering or when you went over a bump? Could
> it be
> the balance bars binding?
> Jeff
> 6559
> On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 2:06 PM Christopher Kimball
> <[1]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
> Good news about the windows: I moved the passenger switch
> to the
> driver's side, and the driver's side switch to the
> passenger
> side, and
> lo and behold, now they both work fine. I'm guessing
> corrosion
> built
> up on the terminals, and when I pulled them off and put
> them on
> again
> it restored the connection. I'll keep my eye on it and see
> if
> there
> are any other moments of hesitation with either window.
> If only all Pantera projects were so easy to fix!
> Now, about that steering noise...
> Sincerely,
> Chris
>
> __________________________________________________________________
> From: David <[2]david at msmcontractors.org>
> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 11:37 AM
> To: Konrad Szwab <[3]kszwab at gmail.com>
> Cc: Christopher Kimball <[4]ChrisVKimball at msn.com>; Pantera
> Owners Club of
> America <[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
> You should be able to see the Ammeter move if the motor is
> working.
> > On Jul 31, 2022, at 1:31 PM, Konrad Szwab
> <[6]kszwab at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > In my case it was hardened grease after 30 years. Took
> it
> apart,
> > cleaned, re greased and it is good. Already had brass
> gears
> changed
> by
> > my father in 1992.
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 31, 2022, 12:41 PM Christopher Kimball
> > <[1][7]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
> >
> > A A The power seems to be there when pushing the
> window
> down
> (it's
> > already
> > A A down all the way) but nothing when I push the
> switch
> up.A I
> > beleive the
> > A A plastic window gears were replaced by brass
> units
> before I
> > bought the
> > A A car, but that was over 16 years ago, and I'm
> just
> taking the
> > seller's
> > A A word for it.
> > A A Sincerely,
> > A A Chris
> > A A
> > A
>
> __________________________________________________________________
> > A A From: Mike & Elizabeth
> <[2][8]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
> > A A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:34 AM
> > A A To: 'Christopher Kimball'
> <[3][9]chrisvkimball at msn.com>;
> 'Pantera
> > Owners Club
> > A A of America'
> <[4][10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > A A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
> > A A Are you saying that when you hit the window
> switch,
> you can
> > hear the
> > A A motor trying to move the window down but nothing
> happens
> when
> > you hit
> > A A the switch to put it up?A Or, is it down and
> doesn't
> want
> to
> > come up?
> > A A Besides the switch, it could be that the
> original
> plastic
> gear
> > in your
> > A A window motor has failed, as in crumbled into
> little
> bits,
> and
> > needs to
> > A A be replaced.
> > A A When I looked under the front of Chris' car, my
> thought was
> > some kind
> > A A of binding in the rack and pinion gears or the
> turning
> of
> the
> > steering
> > A A shaft.A As Chris mentioned, it was quite
> pronounced
> when he
> > pulled into
> > A A the garage, but completely gone after we'd
> swapped out
> the
> ZF
> > fluid.
> > A A Mike
> > A A -----Original Message-----
> > A A From: DeTomaso
> <[5][11]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
> On
> > Behalf Of
> > A A Christopher Kimball
> > A A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:09 AM
> > A A To: Pantera Owners Club of America
> > <[6][12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > A A Subject: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
> > A A I warned you that once I got my car back I'd
> again be
> > inundating you
> > A A with questions!
> > A A Here are the latest two:
> > A A A 1.A A My passenger window decided it no
> longer
> wants to
> go
> > up.A The
> > A A down position still seems to work.A I'm
> assuming the
> switch
> > has gone
> > A A bad, so I'll order a new pair tomorrow.A In the
> meantime,
> is
> > there
> > A A anything special I need to be aware of when
> removing
> the
> > current
> > A A switches?
> > A A A 1.A A After driving about 45 minutes to Mike
> Thomas'
> house
> > in warm
> > A A weather the other day for the gear-oil change ,
> as I
> pulled
> > into Mikes'
> > A A garage the front of the car seemed to be
> groaning when
> going
> > over
> > A A bumps, and especially when turning right or
> left.A
> Once in
> the
> > garage
> > A A and stationery, the sound was quite pronounced
> when I
> turned
> > the wheels
> > A A left or right.A After the oil was changed,
> probably
> an hour
> or
> > so, we
> > A A jacked up the front of the car and Mike took a
> look at
> the
> > front wheels
> > A A for loose bearings, and we again turned the
> wheels
> > lock-to-lock.
> > A A Nothing seemed wrong, and the noise was gone.A
> Even
> after
> the
> > car was
> > A A back on the ground the noise was no longer
> there.
> > A A Yesterday, in 99-degree heat, I drove about an
> hour,
> and the
> > sound
> > A A returned.A After letting the car sit for a
> couple of
> hours,
> > again, no
> > A A sound.A After driving home again, however, the
> soundA
> > A returned--I
> > A A became aware of it after I turned off the
> freeway and
> began
> > turning
> > A A left and right on the side streets.A It almost
> sounds
> as if
> > something
> > A A is binding, or something under there needs
> lubrication.A
> Are
> > there
> > A A places to lube things under the front of the
> car?A If
> so,
> I'm
> > ready
> > A A with my new, handy-dandy grease gun!A
> Otherwise, what
> could
> be
> > the
> > A A problem?
> > A A I appreciate your help and advice.
> > A A Sincerely,
> > A A Chris
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A A 1. steering noise question (Christopher Kimball)
A A 2. Re: steering noise question (Mike & Elizabeth)
A A 3. Re: steering noise question (Christopher Kimball)
A A 4. Re: steering noise question (Konrad Szwab)
A A 5. Re: steering noise question (David)
A A 6. Re: steering noise question (Christopher Kimball)
A A 7. Re: steering noise question (Mike & Elizabeth)
A A 8. Re: steering noise question (Jeff Detrich)
A A 9. Re: steering noise question (Christopher Kimball)
A 10. Re: steering noise question (Will Kooiman)
A 11. Re: steering noise question (Christopher Kimball)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2022 17:09:11 +0000
From: Christopher Kimball <[6]chrisvkimball at msn.com>
To: Pantera Owners Club of America
<[7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
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I warned you that once I got my car back I'd again be inundating you
with questions!
Here are the latest two:
A 1.A A My passenger window decided it no longer wants to go up.A
The down position still seems to work.A I'm assuming the switch has
gone bad, so I'll order a new pair tomorrow.A In the meantime, is
there anything special I need to be aware of when removing the
current switches?
A 1.A A After driving about 45 minutes to Mike Thomas' house in
warm weather the other day for the gear-oil change , as I pulled
into Mikes' garage the front of the car seemed to be groaning when
going over bumps, and especially when turning right or left.A Once
in the garage and stationery, the sound was quite pronounced when I
turned the wheels left or right.A After the oil was changed,
probably an hour or so, we jacked up the front of the car and Mike
took a look at the front wheels for loose bearings, and we again
turned the wheels lock-to-lock.A Nothing seemed wrong, and the
noise was gone.A Even after the car was back on the ground the
noise was no longer there.
???????????Yesterday, in 99-degree heat, I drove about an hour, and
the sound returned.A After letting the car sit for a couple of
hours, again, no sound.A After driving home again, however, the
sound ?????????A returned--I became aware of it after I turned off
the freeway and began turning left and right on the side streets.A
It almost sounds as if something is binding, or something under
there ???????????needs lubrication.A Are there places to lube
things under the front of the car?A If so, I'm ready with my new,
handy-dandy grease gun!A Otherwise, what could be the problem?
I appreciate your help and advice.
Sincerely,
Chris
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A A I warned you that once I got my car back I'd again be
inundating you
A A with questions!
A A Here are the latest two:
A A 1.A My passenger window decided it no longer wants to go
up.A The down
A A A A position still seems to work.A I'm assuming the switch
has gone
A A A A bad, so I'll order a new pair tomorrow.A In the
meantime, is there
A A A A anything special I need to be aware of when removing the
current
A A A A switches?
A A 2.A After driving about 45 minutes to Mike Thomas' house in
warm
A A A A weather the other day for the gear-oil change , as I
pulled into
A A A A Mikes' garage the front of the car seemed to be groaning
when going
A A A A over bumps, and especially when turning right or left.A
Once in the
A A A A garage and stationery, the sound was quite pronounced
when I turned
A A A A the wheels left or right.A After the oil was changed,
probably an
A A A A hour or so, we jacked up the front of the car and Mike
took a look
A A A A at the front wheels for loose bearings, and we again
turned the
A A A A wheels lock-to-lock.A Nothing seemed wrong, and the
noise was gone.
A A A A Even after the car was back on the ground the noise was
no longer
A A A A there.
A A Yesterday, in 99-degree heat, I drove about an hour, and the
sound
A A returned.A After letting the car sit for a couple of hours,
again, no
A A sound.A After driving home again, however, the soundA
returned--I
A A became aware of it after I turned off the freeway and began
turning
A A left and right on the side streets.A It almost sounds as if
something
A A is binding, or something under there needs lubrication.A Are
there
A A places to lube things under the front of the car?A If so, I'm
ready
A A with my new, handy-dandy grease gun!A Otherwise, what could be
the
A A problem?
A A I appreciate your help and advice.
A A Sincerely,
A A Chris
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2022 10:34:14 -0700
From: "Mike & Elizabeth" <[9]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
To: "'Christopher Kimball'" <[10]chrisvkimball at msn.com>, "'Pantera
Owners
A A A A Club of America'" <[11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
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Are you saying that when you hit the window switch, you can hear the
motor trying to move the window down but nothing happens when you
hit the switch to put it up?A Or, is it down and doesn't want to
come up?A Besides the switch, it could be that the original plastic
gear in your window motor has failed, as in crumbled into little
bits, and needs to be replaced.
When I looked under the front of Chris' car, my thought was some
kind of binding in the rack and pinion gears or the turning of the
steering shaft.A As Chris mentioned, it was quite pronounced when
he pulled into the garage, but completely gone after we'd swapped
out the ZF fluid.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso <[13]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On
Behalf Of Christopher Kimball
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:09 AM
To: Pantera Owners Club of America
<[14]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
I warned you that once I got my car back I'd again be inundating you
with questions!
Here are the latest two:
A 1.A A My passenger window decided it no longer wants to go up.A
The down position still seems to work.A I'm assuming the switch has
gone bad, so I'll order a new pair tomorrow.A In the meantime, is
there anything special I need to be aware of when removing the
current switches?
A 1.A A After driving about 45 minutes to Mike Thomas' house in
warm weather the other day for the gear-oil change , as I pulled
into Mikes' garage the front of the car seemed to be groaning when
going over bumps, and especially when turning right or left.A Once
in the garage and stationery, the sound was quite pronounced when I
turned the wheels left or right.A After the oil was changed,
probably an hour or so, we jacked up the front of the car and Mike
took a look at the front wheels for loose bearings, and we again
turned the wheels lock-to-lock.A Nothing seemed wrong, and the
noise was gone.A Even after the car was back on the ground the
noise was no longer there.
???????????Yesterday, in 99-degree heat, I drove about an hour, and
the sound returned.A After letting the car sit for a couple of
hours, again, no sound.A After driving home again, however, the
sound ?????????A returned--I became aware of it after I turned off
the freeway and began turning left and right on the side streets.A
It almost sounds as if something is binding, or something under
there ???????????needs lubrication.A Are there places to lube
things under the front of the car?A If so, I'm ready with my new,
handy-dandy grease gun!A Otherwise, what could be the problem?
I appreciate your help and advice.
Sincerely,
Chris
------------------------------
Message: 3
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2022 17:41:07 +0000
From: Christopher Kimball <[15]ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
To: Mike & Elizabeth <[16]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>, 'Pantera Owners
Club of
A A A A America' <[17]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
Message-ID:
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The power seems to be there when pushing the window down (it's
already down all the way) but nothing when I push the switch up.A I
beleive the plastic window gears were replaced by brass units before
I bought the car, but that was over 16 years ago, and I'm just
taking the seller's word for it.
Sincerely,
Chris
________________________________
From: Mike & Elizabeth <[19]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:34 AM
To: 'Christopher Kimball' <[20]chrisvkimball at msn.com>; 'Pantera
Owners Club of America' <[21]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
Are you saying that when you hit the window switch, you can hear the
motor trying to move the window down but nothing happens when you
hit the switch to put it up?A Or, is it down and doesn't want to
come up?A Besides the switch, it could be that the original plastic
gear in your window motor has failed, as in crumbled into little
bits, and needs to be replaced.
When I looked under the front of Chris' car, my thought was some
kind of binding in the rack and pinion gears or the turning of the
steering shaft.A As Chris mentioned, it was quite pronounced when
he pulled into the garage, but completely gone after we'd swapped
out the ZF fluid.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso <[22]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On
Behalf Of Christopher Kimball
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:09 AM
To: Pantera Owners Club of America
<[23]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
I warned you that once I got my car back I'd again be inundating you
with questions!
Here are the latest two:
A 1.A A My passenger window decided it no longer wants to go up.A
The down position still seems to work.A I'm assuming the switch has
gone bad, so I'll order a new pair tomorrow.A In the meantime, is
there anything special I need to be aware of when removing the
current switches?
A 1.A A After driving about 45 minutes to Mike Thomas' house in
warm weather the other day for the gear-oil change , as I pulled
into Mikes' garage the front of the car seemed to be groaning when
going over bumps, and especially when turning right or left.A Once
in the garage and stationery, the sound was quite pronounced when I
turned the wheels left or right.A After the oil was changed,
probably an hour or so, we jacked up the front of the car and Mike
took a look at the front wheels for loose bearings, and we again
turned the wheels lock-to-lock.A Nothing seemed wrong, and the
noise was gone.A Even after the car was back on the ground the
noise was no longer there.
???????????Yesterday, in 99-degree heat, I drove about an hour, and
the sound returned.A After letting the car sit for a couple of
hours, again, no sound.A After driving home again, however, the
sound ?????????A returned--I became aware of it after I turned off
the freeway and began turning left and right on the side streets.A
It almost sounds as if something is binding, or something under
there ???????????needs lubrication.A Are there places to lube
things under the front of the car?A If so, I'm ready with my new,
handy-dandy grease gun!A Otherwise, what could be the problem?
I appreciate your help and advice.
Sincerely,
Chris
-------------- next part --------------
A A The power seems to be there when pushing the window down (it's
already
A A down all the way) but nothing when I push the switch up.A I
beleive the
A A plastic window gears were replaced by brass units before I
bought the
A A car, but that was over 16 years ago, and I'm just taking the
seller's
A A word for it.
A A Sincerely,
A A Chris
A A
A __________________________________________________________________
A A From: Mike & Elizabeth <[24]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
A A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:34 AM
A A To: 'Christopher Kimball' <[25]chrisvkimball at msn.com>; 'Pantera
Owners Club
A A of America' <[26]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
A A Are you saying that when you hit the window switch, you can
hear the
A A motor trying to move the window down but nothing happens when
you hit
A A the switch to put it up?A Or, is it down and doesn't want to
come up?
A A Besides the switch, it could be that the original plastic gear
in your
A A window motor has failed, as in crumbled into little bits, and
needs to
A A be replaced.
A A When I looked under the front of Chris' car, my thought was
some kind
A A of binding in the rack and pinion gears or the turning of the
steering
A A shaft.A As Chris mentioned, it was quite pronounced when he
pulled into
A A the garage, but completely gone after we'd swapped out the ZF
fluid.
A A Mike
A A -----Original Message-----
A A From: DeTomaso <[27]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
On Behalf Of
A A Christopher Kimball
A A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:09 AM
A A To: Pantera Owners Club of America
<[28]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Subject: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
A A I warned you that once I got my car back I'd again be
inundating you
A A with questions!
A A Here are the latest two:
A A A 1.A A My passenger window decided it no longer wants to go
up.A The
A A down position still seems to work.A I'm assuming the switch
has gone
A A bad, so I'll order a new pair tomorrow.A In the meantime, is
there
A A anything special I need to be aware of when removing the
current
A A switches?
A A A 1.A A After driving about 45 minutes to Mike Thomas' house
in warm
A A weather the other day for the gear-oil change , as I pulled
into Mikes'
A A garage the front of the car seemed to be groaning when going
over
A A bumps, and especially when turning right or left.A Once in the
garage
A A and stationery, the sound was quite pronounced when I turned
the wheels
A A left or right.A After the oil was changed, probably an hour or
so, we
A A jacked up the front of the car and Mike took a look at the
front wheels
A A for loose bearings, and we again turned the wheels
lock-to-lock.
A A Nothing seemed wrong, and the noise was gone.A Even after the
car was
A A back on the ground the noise was no longer there.
A A Yesterday, in 99-degree heat, I drove about an hour, and the
sound
A A returned.A After letting the car sit for a couple of hours,
again, no
A A sound.A After driving home again, however, the soundA
A returned--I
A A became aware of it after I turned off the freeway and began
turning
A A left and right on the side streets.A It almost sounds as if
something
A A is binding, or something under there needs lubrication.A Are
there
A A places to lube things under the front of the car?A If so, I'm
ready
A A with my new, handy-dandy grease gun!A Otherwise, what could be
the
A A problem?
A A I appreciate your help and advice.
A A Sincerely,
A A Chris
------------------------------
Message: 4
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2022 13:31:12 -0500
From: Konrad Szwab <[29]kszwab at gmail.com>
To: Christopher Kimball <[30]ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
Cc: Pantera Owners Club of America
<[31]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
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In my case it was hardened grease after 30 years. Took it apart,
cleaned,
re greased and it is good. Already had brass gears changed by my
father in
1992.
On Sun, Jul 31, 2022, 12:41 PM Christopher Kimball
<[33]ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
wrote:
>A A The power seems to be there when pushing the window down
(it's already
>A A down all the way) but nothing when I push the switch up.A I
beleive the
>A A plastic window gears were replaced by brass units before I
bought the
>A A car, but that was over 16 years ago, and I'm just taking the
seller's
>A A word for it.
>
>A A Sincerely,
>
>A A Chris
>A A A
__________________________________________________________________
>
>A A From: Mike & Elizabeth <[34]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
>A A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:34 AM
>A A To: 'Christopher Kimball' <[35]chrisvkimball at msn.com>;
'Pantera Owners Club
>A A of America' <[36]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>A A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
>
>A A Are you saying that when you hit the window switch, you can
hear the
>A A motor trying to move the window down but nothing happens when
you hit
>A A the switch to put it up?A Or, is it down and doesn't want to
come up?
>A A Besides the switch, it could be that the original plastic
gear in your
>A A window motor has failed, as in crumbled into little bits, and
needs to
>A A be replaced.
>A A When I looked under the front of Chris' car, my thought was
some kind
>A A of binding in the rack and pinion gears or the turning of the
steering
>A A shaft.A As Chris mentioned, it was quite pronounced when he
pulled into
>A A the garage, but completely gone after we'd swapped out the ZF
fluid.
>A A Mike
>A A -----Original Message-----
>A A From: DeTomaso <[37]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
On Behalf Of
>A A Christopher Kimball
>A A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:09 AM
>A A To: Pantera Owners Club of America
<[38]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>A A Subject: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
>A A I warned you that once I got my car back I'd again be
inundating you
>A A with questions!
>A A Here are the latest two:
>A A A 1.A A My passenger window decided it no longer wants to
go up.A The
>A A down position still seems to work.A I'm assuming the switch
has gone
>A A bad, so I'll order a new pair tomorrow.A In the meantime, is
there
>A A anything special I need to be aware of when removing the
current
>A A switches?
>A A A 1.A A After driving about 45 minutes to Mike Thomas'
house in warm
>A A weather the other day for the gear-oil change , as I pulled
into Mikes'
>A A garage the front of the car seemed to be groaning when going
over
>A A bumps, and especially when turning right or left.A Once in
the garage
>A A and stationery, the sound was quite pronounced when I turned
the wheels
>A A left or right.A After the oil was changed, probably an hour
or so, we
>A A jacked up the front of the car and Mike took a look at the
front wheels
>A A for loose bearings, and we again turned the wheels
lock-to-lock.
>A A Nothing seemed wrong, and the noise was gone.A Even after
the car was
>A A back on the ground the noise was no longer there.
>A A Yesterday, in 99-degree heat, I drove about an hour, and the
sound
>A A returned.A After letting the car sit for a couple of hours,
again, no
>A A sound.A After driving home again, however, the soundA
A returned--I
>A A became aware of it after I turned off the freeway and began
turning
>A A left and right on the side streets.A It almost sounds as if
something
>A A is binding, or something under there needs lubrication.A Are
there
>A A places to lube things under the front of the car?A If so,
I'm ready
>A A with my new, handy-dandy grease gun!A Otherwise, what could
be the
>A A problem?
>A A I appreciate your help and advice.
>A A Sincerely,
>A A Chris
> _______________________________________________
>
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A A In my case it was hardened grease after 30 years. Took it
apart,
A A cleaned, re greased and it is good. Already had brass gears
changed by
A A my father in 1992.
A A On Sun, Jul 31, 2022, 12:41 PM Christopher Kimball
A A <[1][41]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
A A A AA A The power seems to be there when pushing the window
down (it's
A A A already
A A A AA A down all the way) but nothing when I push the switch
up.AA I
A A A beleive the
A A A AA A plastic window gears were replaced by brass units
before I
A A A bought the
A A A AA A car, but that was over 16 years ago, and I'm just
taking the
A A A seller's
A A A AA A word for it.
A A A AA A Sincerely,
A A A AA A Chris
A A A AA A
A A A A
__________________________________________________________________
A A A AA A From: Mike & Elizabeth <[2][42]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
A A A AA A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:34 AM
A A A AA A To: 'Christopher Kimball'
<[3][43]chrisvkimball at msn.com>; 'Pantera
A A A Owners Club
A A A AA A of America' <[4][44]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A A AA A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
A A A AA A Are you saying that when you hit the window switch,
you can
A A A hear the
A A A AA A motor trying to move the window down but nothing
happens when
A A A you hit
A A A AA A the switch to put it up?AA Or, is it down and doesn't
want to
A A A come up?
A A A AA A Besides the switch, it could be that the original
plastic gear
A A A in your
A A A AA A window motor has failed, as in crumbled into little
bits, and
A A A needs to
A A A AA A be replaced.
A A A AA A When I looked under the front of Chris' car, my
thought was
A A A some kind
A A A AA A of binding in the rack and pinion gears or the turning
of the
A A A steering
A A A AA A shaft.AA As Chris mentioned, it was quite pronounced
when he
A A A pulled into
A A A AA A the garage, but completely gone after we'd swapped out
the ZF
A A A fluid.
A A A AA A Mike
A A A AA A -----Original Message-----
A A A AA A From: DeTomaso
<[5][45]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On
A A A Behalf Of
A A A AA A Christopher Kimball
A A A AA A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:09 AM
A A A AA A To: Pantera Owners Club of America
A A A <[6][46]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A A AA A Subject: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
A A A AA A I warned you that once I got my car back I'd again be
A A A inundating you
A A A AA A with questions!
A A A AA A Here are the latest two:
A A A AA AA A 1.AA A My passenger window decided it no longer
wants to go
A A A up.AA The
A A A AA A down position still seems to work.AA I'm assuming the
switch
A A A has gone
A A A AA A bad, so I'll order a new pair tomorrow.AA In the
meantime, is
A A A there
A A A AA A anything special I need to be aware of when removing
the
A A A current
A A A AA A switches?
A A A AA AA A 1.AA A After driving about 45 minutes to Mike
Thomas' house
A A A in warm
A A A AA A weather the other day for the gear-oil change , as I
pulled
A A A into Mikes'
A A A AA A garage the front of the car seemed to be groaning when
going
A A A over
A A A AA A bumps, and especially when turning right or left.AA
Once in the
A A A garage
A A A AA A and stationery, the sound was quite pronounced when I
turned
A A A the wheels
A A A AA A left or right.AA After the oil was changed, probably
an hour or
A A A so, we
A A A AA A jacked up the front of the car and Mike took a look at
the
A A A front wheels
A A A AA A for loose bearings, and we again turned the wheels
A A A lock-to-lock.
A A A AA A Nothing seemed wrong, and the noise was gone.AA Even
after the
A A A car was
A A A AA A back on the ground the noise was no longer there.
A A A AA A Yesterday, in 99-degree heat, I drove about an hour,
and the
A A A sound
A A A AA A returned.AA After letting the car sit for a couple of
hours,
A A A again, no
A A A AA A sound.AA After driving home again, however, the
soundA
A A A A returned--I
A A A AA A became aware of it after I turned off the freeway and
began
A A A turning
A A A AA A left and right on the side streets.AA It almost
sounds as if
A A A something
A A A AA A is binding, or something under there needs
lubrication.AA Are
A A A there
A A A AA A places to lube things under the front of the car?AA
If so, I'm
A A A ready
A A A AA A with my new, handy-dandy grease gun!AA Otherwise,
what could be
A A A the
A A A AA A problem?
A A A AA A I appreciate your help and advice.
A A A AA A Sincerely,
A A A AA A Chris
A A A _______________________________________________
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2022 13:37:59 -0500
From: David <[57]david at msmcontractors.org>
To: Konrad Szwab <[58]kszwab at gmail.com>
Cc: Pantera Owners Club of America
<[59]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
Message-ID:
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You should be able to see the Ammeter move if the motor is working.
> On Jul 31, 2022, at 1:31 PM, Konrad Szwab <[61]kszwab at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>A A In my case it was hardened grease after 30 years. Took it
apart,
>A A cleaned, re greased and it is good. Already had brass gears
changed by
>A A my father in 1992.
>
>A A On Sun, Jul 31, 2022, 12:41 PM Christopher Kimball
>A A <[1][62]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
>
>A A A AA A The power seems to be there when pushing the window
down (it's
>A A A already
>A A A AA A down all the way) but nothing when I push the switch
up.AA I
>A A A beleive the
>A A A AA A plastic window gears were replaced by brass units
before I
>A A A bought the
>A A A AA A car, but that was over 16 years ago, and I'm just
taking the
>A A A seller's
>A A A AA A word for it.
>A A A AA A Sincerely,
>A A A AA A Chris
>A A A AA A
>A A A A
__________________________________________________________________
>A A A AA A From: Mike & Elizabeth <[2][63]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
>A A A AA A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:34 AM
>A A A AA A To: 'Christopher Kimball'
<[3][64]chrisvkimball at msn.com>; 'Pantera
>A A A Owners Club
>A A A AA A of America' <[4][65]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>A A A AA A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
>A A A AA A Are you saying that when you hit the window switch,
you can
>A A A hear the
>A A A AA A motor trying to move the window down but nothing
happens when
>A A A you hit
>A A A AA A the switch to put it up?AA Or, is it down and
doesn't want to
>A A A come up?
>A A A AA A Besides the switch, it could be that the original
plastic gear
>A A A in your
>A A A AA A window motor has failed, as in crumbled into little
bits, and
>A A A needs to
>A A A AA A be replaced.
>A A A AA A When I looked under the front of Chris' car, my
thought was
>A A A some kind
>A A A AA A of binding in the rack and pinion gears or the
turning of the
>A A A steering
>A A A AA A shaft.AA As Chris mentioned, it was quite pronounced
when he
>A A A pulled into
>A A A AA A the garage, but completely gone after we'd swapped
out the ZF
>A A A fluid.
>A A A AA A Mike
>A A A AA A -----Original Message-----
>A A A AA A From: DeTomaso
<[5][66]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On
>A A A Behalf Of
>A A A AA A Christopher Kimball
>A A A AA A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:09 AM
>A A A AA A To: Pantera Owners Club of America
>A A A <[6][67]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>A A A AA A Subject: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
>A A A AA A I warned you that once I got my car back I'd again be
>A A A inundating you
>A A A AA A with questions!
>A A A AA A Here are the latest two:
>A A A AA AA A 1.AA A My passenger window decided it no longer
wants to go
>A A A up.AA The
>A A A AA A down position still seems to work.AA I'm assuming
the switch
>A A A has gone
>A A A AA A bad, so I'll order a new pair tomorrow.AA In the
meantime, is
>A A A there
>A A A AA A anything special I need to be aware of when removing
the
>A A A current
>A A A AA A switches?
>A A A AA AA A 1.AA A After driving about 45 minutes to Mike
Thomas' house
>A A A in warm
>A A A AA A weather the other day for the gear-oil change , as I
pulled
>A A A into Mikes'
>A A A AA A garage the front of the car seemed to be groaning
when going
>A A A over
>A A A AA A bumps, and especially when turning right or left.AA
Once in the
>A A A garage
>A A A AA A and stationery, the sound was quite pronounced when I
turned
>A A A the wheels
>A A A AA A left or right.AA After the oil was changed, probably
an hour or
>A A A so, we
>A A A AA A jacked up the front of the car and Mike took a look
at the
>A A A front wheels
>A A A AA A for loose bearings, and we again turned the wheels
>A A A lock-to-lock.
>A A A AA A Nothing seemed wrong, and the noise was gone.AA Even
after the
>A A A car was
>A A A AA A back on the ground the noise was no longer there.
>A A A AA A Yesterday, in 99-degree heat, I drove about an hour,
and the
>A A A sound
>A A A AA A returned.AA After letting the car sit for a couple
of hours,
>A A A again, no
>A A A AA A sound.AA After driving home again, however, the
soundA
>A A A A returned--I
>A A A AA A became aware of it after I turned off the freeway and
began
>A A A turning
>A A A AA A left and right on the side streets.AA It almost
sounds as if
>A A A something
>A A A AA A is binding, or something under there needs
lubrication.AA Are
>A A A there
>A A A AA A places to lube things under the front of the car?AA
If so, I'm
>A A A ready
>A A A AA A with my new, handy-dandy grease gun!AA Otherwise,
what could be
>A A A the
>A A A AA A problem?
>A A A AA A I appreciate your help and advice.
>A A A AA A Sincerely,
>A A A AA A Chris
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2022 19:06:33 +0000
From: Christopher Kimball <[80]ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
To: David <[81]david at msmcontractors.org>, Konrad Szwab
<[82]kszwab at gmail.com>
Cc: Pantera Owners Club of America
<[83]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
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Good news about the windows:A I moved the passenger switch to the
driver's side, and the driver's side switch to the passenger side,
and lo and behold, now they both work fine.A I'm guessing corrosion
built up on the terminals, and when I pulled them off and put them
on again it restored the connection.A I'll keep my eye on it and
see if there are any other moments of hesitation with either window.
If only all Pantera projects were so easy to fix!
Now, about that steering noise...
Sincerely,
Chris
________________________________
From: David <[85]david at msmcontractors.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 11:37 AM
To: Konrad Szwab <[86]kszwab at gmail.com>
Cc: Christopher Kimball <[87]ChrisVKimball at msn.com>; Pantera Owners
Club of America <[88]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
You should be able to see the Ammeter move if the motor is working.
> On Jul 31, 2022, at 1:31 PM, Konrad Szwab <[89]kszwab at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>A A In my case it was hardened grease after 30 years. Took it
apart,
>A A cleaned, re greased and it is good. Already had brass gears
changed by
>A A my father in 1992.
>
>A A On Sun, Jul 31, 2022, 12:41 PM Christopher Kimball
>A A <[1][90]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
>
>A A A AA A The power seems to be there when pushing the window
down (it's
>A A A already
>A A A AA A down all the way) but nothing when I push the switch
up.AA I
>A A A beleive the
>A A A AA A plastic window gears were replaced by brass units
before I
>A A A bought the
>A A A AA A car, but that was over 16 years ago, and I'm just
taking the
>A A A seller's
>A A A AA A word for it.
>A A A AA A Sincerely,
>A A A AA A Chris
>A A A AA A
>A A A A
__________________________________________________________________
>A A A AA A From: Mike & Elizabeth <[2][91]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
>A A A AA A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:34 AM
>A A A AA A To: 'Christopher Kimball'
<[3][92]chrisvkimball at msn.com>; 'Pantera
>A A A Owners Club
>A A A AA A of America' <[4][93]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>A A A AA A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
>A A A AA A Are you saying that when you hit the window switch,
you can
>A A A hear the
>A A A AA A motor trying to move the window down but nothing
happens when
>A A A you hit
>A A A AA A the switch to put it up?AA Or, is it down and
doesn't want to
>A A A come up?
>A A A AA A Besides the switch, it could be that the original
plastic gear
>A A A in your
>A A A AA A window motor has failed, as in crumbled into little
bits, and
>A A A needs to
>A A A AA A be replaced.
>A A A AA A When I looked under the front of Chris' car, my
thought was
>A A A some kind
>A A A AA A of binding in the rack and pinion gears or the
turning of the
>A A A steering
>A A A AA A shaft.AA As Chris mentioned, it was quite pronounced
when he
>A A A pulled into
>A A A AA A the garage, but completely gone after we'd swapped
out the ZF
>A A A fluid.
>A A A AA A Mike
>A A A AA A -----Original Message-----
>A A A AA A From: DeTomaso
<[5][94]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On
>A A A Behalf Of
>A A A AA A Christopher Kimball
>A A A AA A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:09 AM
>A A A AA A To: Pantera Owners Club of America
>A A A <[6][95]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>A A A AA A Subject: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
>A A A AA A I warned you that once I got my car back I'd again be
>A A A inundating you
>A A A AA A with questions!
>A A A AA A Here are the latest two:
>A A A AA AA A 1.AA A My passenger window decided it no longer
wants to go
>A A A up.AA The
>A A A AA A down position still seems to work.AA I'm assuming
the switch
>A A A has gone
>A A A AA A bad, so I'll order a new pair tomorrow.AA In the
meantime, is
>A A A there
>A A A AA A anything special I need to be aware of when removing
the
>A A A current
>A A A AA A switches?
>A A A AA AA A 1.AA A After driving about 45 minutes to Mike
Thomas' house
>A A A in warm
>A A A AA A weather the other day for the gear-oil change , as I
pulled
>A A A into Mikes'
>A A A AA A garage the front of the car seemed to be groaning
when going
>A A A over
>A A A AA A bumps, and especially when turning right or left.AA
Once in the
>A A A garage
>A A A AA A and stationery, the sound was quite pronounced when I
turned
>A A A the wheels
>A A A AA A left or right.AA After the oil was changed, probably
an hour or
>A A A so, we
>A A A AA A jacked up the front of the car and Mike took a look
at the
>A A A front wheels
>A A A AA A for loose bearings, and we again turned the wheels
>A A A lock-to-lock.
>A A A AA A Nothing seemed wrong, and the noise was gone.AA Even
after the
>A A A car was
>A A A AA A back on the ground the noise was no longer there.
>A A A AA A Yesterday, in 99-degree heat, I drove about an hour,
and the
>A A A sound
>A A A AA A returned.AA After letting the car sit for a couple
of hours,
>A A A again, no
>A A A AA A sound.AA After driving home again, however, the
soundA
>A A A A returned--I
>A A A AA A became aware of it after I turned off the freeway and
began
>A A A turning
>A A A AA A left and right on the side streets.AA It almost
sounds as if
>A A A something
>A A A AA A is binding, or something under there needs
lubrication.AA Are
>A A A there
>A A A AA A places to lube things under the front of the car?AA
If so, I'm
>A A A ready
>A A A AA A with my new, handy-dandy grease gun!AA Otherwise,
what could be
>A A A the
>A A A AA A problem?
>A A A AA A I appreciate your help and advice.
>A A A AA A Sincerely,
>A A A AA A Chris
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A A Good news about the windows:A I moved the passenger switch to
the
A A driver's side, and the driver's side switch to the passenger
side, and
A A lo and behold, now they both work fine.A I'm guessing
corrosion built
A A up on the terminals, and when I pulled them off and put them on
again
A A it restored the connection.A I'll keep my eye on it and see if
there
A A are any other moments of hesitation with either window.
A A If only all Pantera projects were so easy to fix!
A A Now, about that steering noise...
A A Sincerely,
A A Chris
A A
A __________________________________________________________________
A A From: David <[108]david at msmcontractors.org>
A A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 11:37 AM
A A To: Konrad Szwab <[109]kszwab at gmail.com>
A A Cc: Christopher Kimball <[110]ChrisVKimball at msn.com>; Pantera
Owners Club of
A A America <[111]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
A A You should be able to see the Ammeter move if the motor is
working.
A A > On Jul 31, 2022, at 1:31 PM, Konrad Szwab
<[112]kszwab at gmail.com> wrote:
A A >
A A >A A In my case it was hardened grease after 30 years. Took it
apart,
A A >A A cleaned, re greased and it is good. Already had brass
gears changed
A A by
A A >A A my father in 1992.
A A >
A A >A A On Sun, Jul 31, 2022, 12:41 PM Christopher Kimball
A A >A A <[1][113]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
A A >
A A >A A A AA A The power seems to be there when pushing the
window down
A A (it's
A A >A A A already
A A >A A A AA A down all the way) but nothing when I push the
switch up.AA I
A A >A A A beleive the
A A >A A A AA A plastic window gears were replaced by brass
units before I
A A >A A A bought the
A A >A A A AA A car, but that was over 16 years ago, and I'm
just taking the
A A >A A A seller's
A A >A A A AA A word for it.
A A >A A A AA A Sincerely,
A A >A A A AA A Chris
A A >A A A AA A
A A >A A A A
A
A __________________________________________________________________
A A >A A A AA A From: Mike & Elizabeth
<[2][114]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
A A >A A A AA A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:34 AM
A A >A A A AA A To: 'Christopher Kimball'
<[3][115]chrisvkimball at msn.com>;
A A 'Pantera
A A >A A A Owners Club
A A >A A A AA A of America'
<[4][116]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A >A A A AA A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
A A >A A A AA A Are you saying that when you hit the window
switch, you can
A A >A A A hear the
A A >A A A AA A motor trying to move the window down but nothing
happens
A A when
A A >A A A you hit
A A >A A A AA A the switch to put it up?AA Or, is it down and
doesn't want
A A to
A A >A A A come up?
A A >A A A AA A Besides the switch, it could be that the
original plastic
A A gear
A A >A A A in your
A A >A A A AA A window motor has failed, as in crumbled into
little bits,
A A and
A A >A A A needs to
A A >A A A AA A be replaced.
A A >A A A AA A When I looked under the front of Chris' car, my
thought was
A A >A A A some kind
A A >A A A AA A of binding in the rack and pinion gears or the
turning of
A A the
A A >A A A steering
A A >A A A AA A shaft.AA As Chris mentioned, it was quite
pronounced when he
A A >A A A pulled into
A A >A A A AA A the garage, but completely gone after we'd
swapped out the
A A ZF
A A >A A A fluid.
A A >A A A AA A Mike
A A >A A A AA A -----Original Message-----
A A >A A A AA A From: DeTomaso
<[5][117]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
A A On
A A >A A A Behalf Of
A A >A A A AA A Christopher Kimball
A A >A A A AA A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:09 AM
A A >A A A AA A To: Pantera Owners Club of America
A A >A A A <[6][118]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A >A A A AA A Subject: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
A A >A A A AA A I warned you that once I got my car back I'd
again be
A A >A A A inundating you
A A >A A A AA A with questions!
A A >A A A AA A Here are the latest two:
A A >A A A AA AA A 1.AA A My passenger window decided it no
longer wants to
A A go
A A >A A A up.AA The
A A >A A A AA A down position still seems to work.AA I'm
assuming the switch
A A >A A A has gone
A A >A A A AA A bad, so I'll order a new pair tomorrow.AA In
the meantime,
A A is
A A >A A A there
A A >A A A AA A anything special I need to be aware of when
removing the
A A >A A A current
A A >A A A AA A switches?
A A >A A A AA AA A 1.AA A After driving about 45 minutes to
Mike Thomas'
A A house
A A >A A A in warm
A A >A A A AA A weather the other day for the gear-oil change ,
as I pulled
A A >A A A into Mikes'
A A >A A A AA A garage the front of the car seemed to be
groaning when going
A A >A A A over
A A >A A A AA A bumps, and especially when turning right or
left.AA Once in
A A the
A A >A A A garage
A A >A A A AA A and stationery, the sound was quite pronounced
when I turned
A A >A A A the wheels
A A >A A A AA A left or right.AA After the oil was changed,
probably an hour
A A or
A A >A A A so, we
A A >A A A AA A jacked up the front of the car and Mike took a
look at the
A A >A A A front wheels
A A >A A A AA A for loose bearings, and we again turned the
wheels
A A >A A A lock-to-lock.
A A >A A A AA A Nothing seemed wrong, and the noise was gone.AA
Even after
A A the
A A >A A A car was
A A >A A A AA A back on the ground the noise was no longer
there.
A A >A A A AA A Yesterday, in 99-degree heat, I drove about an
hour, and the
A A >A A A sound
A A >A A A AA A returned.AA After letting the car sit for a
couple of hours,
A A >A A A again, no
A A >A A A AA A sound.AA After driving home again, however, the
soundA
A A >A A A A returned--I
A A >A A A AA A became aware of it after I turned off the
freeway and began
A A >A A A turning
A A >A A A AA A left and right on the side streets.AA It almost
sounds as if
A A >A A A something
A A >A A A AA A is binding, or something under there needs
lubrication.A
A A Are
A A >A A A there
A A >A A A AA A places to lube things under the front of the
car?AA If so,
A A I'm
A A >A A A ready
A A >A A A AA A with my new, handy-dandy grease gun!AA
Otherwise, what could
A A be
A A >A A A the
A A >A A A AA A problem?
A A >A A A AA A I appreciate your help and advice.
A A >A A A AA A Sincerely,
A A >A A A AA A Chris
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2022 14:46:51 -0700
From: "Mike & Elizabeth" <[143]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
To: "'Christopher Kimball'" <[144]ChrisVKimball at msn.com>, "'David'"
A A A A <[145]david at msmcontractors.org>, "'Konrad Szwab'"
<[146]kszwab at gmail.com>
Cc: 'Pantera Owners Club of America'
A A A A <[147]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
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Sorry that you're having to many issues on a car that's been
recently
'restored'.
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso <[149]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On
Behalf Of
Christopher Kimball
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 12:07 PM
To: David <[150]david at msmcontractors.org>; Konrad Szwab
<[151]kszwab at gmail.com>
Cc: Pantera Owners Club of America
<[152]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
Good news about the windows:A I moved the passenger switch to the
driver's
side, and the driver's side switch to the passenger side, and lo and
behold,
now they both work fine.A I'm guessing corrosion built up on the
terminals,
and when I pulled them off and put them on again it restored the
connection.
I'll keep my eye on it and see if there are any other moments of
hesitation
with either window.
If only all Pantera projects were so easy to fix!
Now, about that steering noise...
Sincerely,
Chris
________________________________
From: David <[153]david at msmcontractors.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 11:37 AM
To: Konrad Szwab <[154]kszwab at gmail.com>
Cc: Christopher Kimball <[155]ChrisVKimball at msn.com>; Pantera Owners
Club of
America <[156]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
You should be able to see the Ammeter move if the motor is working.
> On Jul 31, 2022, at 1:31 PM, Konrad Szwab <[157]kszwab at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>A A In my case it was hardened grease after 30 years. Took it
apart,
>A A cleaned, re greased and it is good. Already had brass gears
changed by
>A A my father in 1992.
>
>A A On Sun, Jul 31, 2022, 12:41 PM Christopher Kimball
>A A <[1][158]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
>
>A A A AA A The power seems to be there when pushing the window
down (it's
>A A A already
>A A A AA A down all the way) but nothing when I push the switch
up.AA I
>A A A beleive the
>A A A AA A plastic window gears were replaced by brass units
before I
>A A A bought the
>A A A AA A car, but that was over 16 years ago, and I'm just
taking the
>A A A seller's
>A A A AA A word for it.
>A A A AA A Sincerely,
>A A A AA A Chris
>A A A AA A
>A A A A
__________________________________________________________________
>A A A AA A From: Mike & Elizabeth
<[2][159]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
>A A A AA A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:34 AM
>A A A AA A To: 'Christopher Kimball'
<[3][160]chrisvkimball at msn.com>; 'Pantera
>A A A Owners Club
>A A A AA A of America'
<[4][161]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>A A A AA A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
>A A A AA A Are you saying that when you hit the window switch,
you can
>A A A hear the
>A A A AA A motor trying to move the window down but nothing
happens when
>A A A you hit
>A A A AA A the switch to put it up?AA Or, is it down and
doesn't want to
>A A A come up?
>A A A AA A Besides the switch, it could be that the original
plastic gear
>A A A in your
>A A A AA A window motor has failed, as in crumbled into little
bits, and
>A A A needs to
>A A A AA A be replaced.
>A A A AA A When I looked under the front of Chris' car, my
thought was
>A A A some kind
>A A A AA A of binding in the rack and pinion gears or the
turning of the
>A A A steering
>A A A AA A shaft.AA As Chris mentioned, it was quite pronounced
when he
>A A A pulled into
>A A A AA A the garage, but completely gone after we'd swapped
out the ZF
>A A A fluid.
>A A A AA A Mike
>A A A AA A -----Original Message-----
>A A A AA A From: DeTomaso
<[5][162]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On
>A A A Behalf Of
>A A A AA A Christopher Kimball
>A A A AA A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:09 AM
>A A A AA A To: Pantera Owners Club of America
>A A A <[6][163]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>A A A AA A Subject: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
>A A A AA A I warned you that once I got my car back I'd again be
>A A A inundating you
>A A A AA A with questions!
>A A A AA A Here are the latest two:
>A A A AA AA A 1.AA A My passenger window decided it no longer
wants to go
>A A A up.AA The
>A A A AA A down position still seems to work.AA I'm assuming
the switch
>A A A has gone
>A A A AA A bad, so I'll order a new pair tomorrow.AA In the
meantime, is
>A A A there
>A A A AA A anything special I need to be aware of when removing
the
>A A A current
>A A A AA A switches?
>A A A AA AA A 1.AA A After driving about 45 minutes to Mike
Thomas' house
>A A A in warm
>A A A AA A weather the other day for the gear-oil change , as I
pulled
>A A A into Mikes'
>A A A AA A garage the front of the car seemed to be groaning
when going
>A A A over
>A A A AA A bumps, and especially when turning right or left.AA
Once in the
>A A A garage
>A A A AA A and stationery, the sound was quite pronounced when I
turned
>A A A the wheels
>A A A AA A left or right.AA After the oil was changed, probably
an hour or
>A A A so, we
>A A A AA A jacked up the front of the car and Mike took a look
at the
>A A A front wheels
>A A A AA A for loose bearings, and we again turned the wheels
>A A A lock-to-lock.
>A A A AA A Nothing seemed wrong, and the noise was gone.AA Even
after the
>A A A car was
>A A A AA A back on the ground the noise was no longer there.
>A A A AA A Yesterday, in 99-degree heat, I drove about an hour,
and the
>A A A sound
>A A A AA A returned.AA After letting the car sit for a couple
of hours,
>A A A again, no
>A A A AA A sound.AA After driving home again, however, the
soundA
>A A A A returned--I
>A A A AA A became aware of it after I turned off the freeway and
began
>A A A turning
>A A A AA A left and right on the side streets.AA It almost
sounds as if
>A A A something
>A A A AA A is binding, or something under there needs
lubrication.AA Are
>A A A there
>A A A AA A places to lube things under the front of the car?AA
If so, I'm
>A A A ready
>A A A AA A with my new, handy-dandy grease gun!AA Otherwise,
what could be
>A A A the
>A A A AA A problem?
>A A A AA A I appreciate your help and advice.
>A A A AA A Sincerely,
>A A A AA A Chris
>A A A _______________________________________________
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2022 22:24:40 -0500
From: Jeff Detrich <[178]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
To: Christopher Kimball <[179]ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
Cc: Pantera Owners Club of America
<[180]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
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Did you say it was steering or when you went over a bump? Could it
be the
balance bars binding?
Jeff
6559
On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 2:06 PM Christopher Kimball
<[182]ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
wrote:
>A A Good news about the windows:A I moved the passenger switch
to the
>A A driver's side, and the driver's side switch to the passenger
side, and
>A A lo and behold, now they both work fine.A I'm guessing
corrosion built
>A A up on the terminals, and when I pulled them off and put them
on again
>A A it restored the connection.A I'll keep my eye on it and see
if there
>A A are any other moments of hesitation with either window.
>
>A A If only all Pantera projects were so easy to fix!
>
>A A Now, about that steering noise...
>
>A A Sincerely,
>
>A A Chris
>A A A
__________________________________________________________________
>
>A A From: David <[183]david at msmcontractors.org>
>A A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 11:37 AM
>A A To: Konrad Szwab <[184]kszwab at gmail.com>
>A A Cc: Christopher Kimball <[185]ChrisVKimball at msn.com>; Pantera
Owners Club of
>A A America <[186]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
>
>A A You should be able to see the Ammeter move if the motor is
working.
>A A > On Jul 31, 2022, at 1:31 PM, Konrad Szwab
<[187]kszwab at gmail.com> wrote:
>A A >
>A A >A A In my case it was hardened grease after 30 years. Took
it apart,
>A A >A A cleaned, re greased and it is good. Already had brass
gears changed
>A A by
>A A >A A my father in 1992.
>A A >
>A A >A A On Sun, Jul 31, 2022, 12:41 PM Christopher Kimball
>A A >A A <[1][188]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
>A A >
>A A >A A A AA A The power seems to be there when pushing the
window down
>A A (it's
>A A >A A A already
>A A >A A A AA A down all the way) but nothing when I push the
switch up.AA I
>A A >A A A beleive the
>A A >A A A AA A plastic window gears were replaced by brass
units before I
>A A >A A A bought the
>A A >A A A AA A car, but that was over 16 years ago, and I'm
just taking the
>A A >A A A seller's
>A A >A A A AA A word for it.
>A A >A A A AA A Sincerely,
>A A >A A A AA A Chris
>A A >A A A AA A
>A A >A A A A
>A A
__________________________________________________________________
>A A >A A A AA A From: Mike & Elizabeth
<[2][189]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
>A A >A A A AA A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:34 AM
>A A >A A A AA A To: 'Christopher Kimball'
<[3][190]chrisvkimball at msn.com>;
>A A 'Pantera
>A A >A A A Owners Club
>A A >A A A AA A of America'
<[4][191]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>A A >A A A AA A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] steering noise
question
>A A >A A A AA A Are you saying that when you hit the window
switch, you can
>A A >A A A hear the
>A A >A A A AA A motor trying to move the window down but
nothing happens
>A A when
>A A >A A A you hit
>A A >A A A AA A the switch to put it up?AA Or, is it down and
doesn't want
>A A to
>A A >A A A come up?
>A A >A A A AA A Besides the switch, it could be that the
original plastic
>A A gear
>A A >A A A in your
>A A >A A A AA A window motor has failed, as in crumbled into
little bits,
>A A and
>A A >A A A needs to
>A A >A A A AA A be replaced.
>A A >A A A AA A When I looked under the front of Chris' car,
my thought was
>A A >A A A some kind
>A A >A A A AA A of binding in the rack and pinion gears or the
turning of
>A A the
>A A >A A A steering
>A A >A A A AA A shaft.AA As Chris mentioned, it was quite
pronounced when he
>A A >A A A pulled into
>A A >A A A AA A the garage, but completely gone after we'd
swapped out the
>A A ZF
>A A >A A A fluid.
>A A >A A A AA A Mike
>A A >A A A AA A -----Original Message-----
>A A >A A A AA A From: DeTomaso
<[5][192]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
>A A On
>A A >A A A Behalf Of
>A A >A A A AA A Christopher Kimball
>A A >A A A AA A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:09 AM
>A A >A A A AA A To: Pantera Owners Club of America
>A A >A A A <[6][193]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>A A >A A A AA A Subject: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
>A A >A A A AA A I warned you that once I got my car back I'd
again be
>A A >A A A inundating you
>A A >A A A AA A with questions!
>A A >A A A AA A Here are the latest two:
>A A >A A A AA AA A 1.AA A My passenger window decided it no
longer wants to
>A A go
>A A >A A A up.AA The
>A A >A A A AA A down position still seems to work.AA I'm
assuming the switch
>A A >A A A has gone
>A A >A A A AA A bad, so I'll order a new pair tomorrow.AA In
the meantime,
>A A is
>A A >A A A there
>A A >A A A AA A anything special I need to be aware of when
removing the
>A A >A A A current
>A A >A A A AA A switches?
>A A >A A A AA AA A 1.AA A After driving about 45 minutes to
Mike Thomas'
>A A house
>A A >A A A in warm
>A A >A A A AA A weather the other day for the gear-oil change
, as I pulled
>A A >A A A into Mikes'
>A A >A A A AA A garage the front of the car seemed to be
groaning when going
>A A >A A A over
>A A >A A A AA A bumps, and especially when turning right or
left.AA Once in
>A A the
>A A >A A A garage
>A A >A A A AA A and stationery, the sound was quite pronounced
when I turned
>A A >A A A the wheels
>A A >A A A AA A left or right.AA After the oil was changed,
probably an hour
>A A or
>A A >A A A so, we
>A A >A A A AA A jacked up the front of the car and Mike took a
look at the
>A A >A A A front wheels
>A A >A A A AA A for loose bearings, and we again turned the
wheels
>A A >A A A lock-to-lock.
>A A >A A A AA A Nothing seemed wrong, and the noise was
gone.AA Even after
>A A the
>A A >A A A car was
>A A >A A A AA A back on the ground the noise was no longer
there.
>A A >A A A AA A Yesterday, in 99-degree heat, I drove about an
hour, and the
>A A >A A A sound
>A A >A A A AA A returned.AA After letting the car sit for a
couple of hours,
>A A >A A A again, no
>A A >A A A AA A sound.AA After driving home again, however,
the soundA
>A A >A A A A returned--I
>A A >A A A AA A became aware of it after I turned off the
freeway and began
>A A >A A A turning
>A A >A A A AA A left and right on the side streets.AA It
almost sounds as if
>A A >A A A something
>A A >A A A AA A is binding, or something under there needs
lubrication.A
>A A Are
>A A >A A A there
>A A >A A A AA A places to lube things under the front of the
car?AA If so,
>A A I'm
>A A >A A A ready
>A A >A A A AA A with my new, handy-dandy grease gun!AA
Otherwise, what could
>A A be
>A A >A A A the
>A A >A A A AA A problem?
>A A >A A A AA A I appreciate your help and advice.
>A A >A A A AA A Sincerely,
>A A >A A A AA A Chris
>A A >A A A _______________________________________________
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A A Did you say it was steering or when you went over a bump? Could
it be
A A the balance bars binding?
A A Jeff
A A 6559
A A On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 2:06 PM Christopher Kimball
A A <[1][220]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
A A A AA A Good news about the windows:AA I moved the passenger
switch to
A A A the
A A A AA A driver's side, and the driver's side switch to the
passenger
A A A side, and
A A A AA A lo and behold, now they both work fine.AA I'm
guessing
A A A corrosion built
A A A AA A up on the terminals, and when I pulled them off and
put them on
A A A again
A A A AA A it restored the connection.AA I'll keep my eye on it
and see if
A A A there
A A A AA A are any other moments of hesitation with either
window.
A A A AA A If only all Pantera projects were so easy to fix!
A A A AA A Now, about that steering noise...
A A A AA A Sincerely,
A A A AA A Chris
A A A AA A
A A A A
__________________________________________________________________
A A A AA A From: David <[2][221]david at msmcontractors.org>
A A A AA A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 11:37 AM
A A A AA A To: Konrad Szwab <[3][222]kszwab at gmail.com>
A A A AA A Cc: Christopher Kimball
<[4][223]ChrisVKimball at msn.com>; Pantera
A A A Owners Club of
A A A AA A America <[5][224]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A A AA A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
A A A AA A You should be able to see the Ammeter move if the
motor is
A A A working.
A A A AA A > On Jul 31, 2022, at 1:31 PM, Konrad Szwab
A A A <[6][225]kszwab at gmail.com> wrote:
A A A AA A >
A A A AA A >AA A In my case it was hardened grease after 30
years. Took it
A A A apart,
A A A AA A >AA A cleaned, re greased and it is good. Already had
brass
A A A gears changed
A A A AA A by
A A A AA A >AA A my father in 1992.
A A A AA A >
A A A AA A >AA A On Sun, Jul 31, 2022, 12:41 PM Christopher
Kimball
A A A AA A >AA A <[1][7][226]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
A A A AA A >
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A The power seems to be there when
pushing the
A A A window down
A A A AA A (it's
A A A AA A >AA AA A already
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A down all the way) but nothing when I
push the
A A A switch up.AAA I
A A A AA A >AA AA A beleive the
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A plastic window gears were replaced
by brass
A A A units before I
A A A AA A >AA AA A bought the
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A car, but that was over 16 years ago,
and I'm
A A A just taking the
A A A AA A >AA AA A seller's
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A word for it.
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A Sincerely,
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A Chris
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A
A A A AA A >AA AA A A
A A A A
A A A A
__________________________________________________________________
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A From: Mike & Elizabeth
A A A <[2][8][227]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:34 AM
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A To: 'Christopher Kimball'
A A A <[3][9][228]chrisvkimball at msn.com>;
A A A AA A 'Pantera
A A A AA A >AA AA A Owners Club
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A of America'
A A A <[4][10][229]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] steering
noise question
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A Are you saying that when you hit the
window
A A A switch, you can
A A A AA A >AA AA A hear the
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A motor trying to move the window down
but nothing
A A A happens
A A A AA A when
A A A AA A >AA AA A you hit
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A the switch to put it up?AAA Or, is
it down and
A A A doesn't want
A A A AA A to
A A A AA A >AA AA A come up?
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A Besides the switch, it could be that
the
A A A original plastic
A A A AA A gear
A A A AA A >AA AA A in your
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A window motor has failed, as in
crumbled into
A A A little bits,
A A A AA A and
A A A AA A >AA AA A needs to
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A be replaced.
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A When I looked under the front of
Chris' car, my
A A A thought was
A A A AA A >AA AA A some kind
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A of binding in the rack and pinion
gears or the
A A A turning of
A A A AA A the
A A A AA A >AA AA A steering
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A shaft.AAA As Chris mentioned, it
was quite
A A A pronounced when he
A A A AA A >AA AA A pulled into
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A the garage, but completely gone
after we'd
A A A swapped out the
A A A AA A ZF
A A A AA A >AA AA A fluid.
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A Mike
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A -----Original Message-----
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A From: DeTomaso
A A A <[5][11][230]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
A A A AA A On
A A A AA A >AA AA A Behalf Of
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A Christopher Kimball
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:09 AM
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A To: Pantera Owners Club of America
A A A AA A >AA AA A
<[6][12][231]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A Subject: [DeTomaso] steering noise
question
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A I warned you that once I got my car
back I'd
A A A again be
A A A AA A >AA AA A inundating you
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A with questions!
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A Here are the latest two:
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA AAA A 1.AAA A My passenger window
decided it no
A A A longer wants to
A A A AA A go
A A A AA A >AA AA A up.AAA The
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A down position still seems to
work.AAA I'm
A A A assuming the switch
A A A AA A >AA AA A has gone
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A bad, so I'll order a new pair
tomorrow.AAA In
A A A the meantime,
A A A AA A is
A A A AA A >AA AA A there
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A anything special I need to be aware
of when
A A A removing the
A A A AA A >AA AA A current
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A switches?
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA AAA A 1.AAA A After driving about 45
minutes to
A A A Mike Thomas'
A A A AA A house
A A A AA A >AA AA A in warm
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A weather the other day for the
gear-oil change ,
A A A as I pulled
A A A AA A >AA AA A into Mikes'
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A garage the front of the car seemed
to be
A A A groaning when going
A A A AA A >AA AA A over
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A bumps, and especially when turning
right or
A A A left.AAA Once in
A A A AA A the
A A A AA A >AA AA A garage
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A and stationery, the sound was quite
pronounced
A A A when I turned
A A A AA A >AA AA A the wheels
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A left or right.AAA After the oil was
changed,
A A A probably an hour
A A A AA A or
A A A AA A >AA AA A so, we
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A jacked up the front of the car and
Mike took a
A A A look at the
A A A AA A >AA AA A front wheels
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A for loose bearings, and we again
turned the
A A A wheels
A A A AA A >AA AA A lock-to-lock.
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A Nothing seemed wrong, and the noise
was gone.AA
A A A Even after
A A A AA A the
A A A AA A >AA AA A car was
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A back on the ground the noise was no
longer
A A A there.
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A Yesterday, in 99-degree heat, I
drove about an
A A A hour, and the
A A A AA A >AA AA A sound
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A returned.AAA After letting the car
sit for a
A A A couple of hours,
A A A AA A >AA AA A again, no
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A sound.AAA After driving home again,
however, the
A A A soundA
A A A AA A >AA AA A A returned--I
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A became aware of it after I turned
off the
A A A freeway and began
A A A AA A >AA AA A turning
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A left and right on the side
streets.AAA It almost
A A A sounds as if
A A A AA A >AA AA A something
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A is binding, or something under there
needs
A A A lubrication.A
A A A AA A Are
A A A AA A >AA AA A there
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A places to lube things under the
front of the
A A A car?AAA If so,
A A A AA A I'm
A A A AA A >AA AA A ready
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A with my new, handy-dandy grease
gun!AA
A A A Otherwise, what could
A A A AA A be
A A A AA A >AA AA A the
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A problem?
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A I appreciate your help and advice.
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A Sincerely,
A A A AA A >AA AA A AAA A Chris
A A A AA A >AA AA A
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2022 03:47:11 +0000
From: Christopher Kimball <[298]ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
To: Jeff Detrich <[299]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
Cc: Pantera Owners Club of America
<[300]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
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Yes, it just seems to be sort of creaky when I'm going over bumps or
turning at all. When I'm stopped and I turn the wheel it actually
sounds like something is binding.
Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9+, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable
smartphone
-------- Original message --------
From: Jeff Detrich <[302]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
Date: 7/31/22 8:24 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: Christopher Kimball <[303]ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
Cc: David <[304]david at msmcontractors.org>, Konrad Szwab
<[305]kszwab at gmail.com>, Pantera Owners Club of America
<[306]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
Did you say it was steering or when you went over a bump? Could it
be the balance bars binding?
Jeff
6559
On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 2:06 PM Christopher Kimball
<[307]ChrisVKimball at msn.com<mailto:[308]ChrisVKimball at msn.com>>
wrote:
A A Good news about the windows:A I moved the passenger switch to
the
A A driver's side, and the driver's side switch to the passenger
side, and
A A lo and behold, now they both work fine.A I'm guessing
corrosion built
A A up on the terminals, and when I pulled them off and put them on
again
A A it restored the connection.A I'll keep my eye on it and see if
there
A A are any other moments of hesitation with either window.
A A If only all Pantera projects were so easy to fix!
A A Now, about that steering noise...
A A Sincerely,
A A Chris
A A
A __________________________________________________________________
A A From: David
<[309]david at msmcontractors.org<mailto:[310]david at msmcontractors.org>
>
A A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 11:37 AM
A A To: Konrad Szwab
<[311]kszwab at gmail.com<mailto:[312]kszwab at gmail.com>>
A A Cc: Christopher Kimball
<[313]ChrisVKimball at msn.com<mailto:[314]ChrisVKimball at msn.com>>;
Pantera Owners Club of
A A America
<[315]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[316]detomaso at server.d
etomasolist.com>>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
A A You should be able to see the Ammeter move if the motor is
working.
A A > On Jul 31, 2022, at 1:31 PM, Konrad Szwab
<[317]kszwab at gmail.com<mailto:[318]kszwab at gmail.com>> wrote:
A A >
A A >A A In my case it was hardened grease after 30 years. Took it
apart,
A A >A A cleaned, re greased and it is good. Already had brass
gears changed
A A by
A A >A A my father in 1992.
A A >
A A >A A On Sun, Jul 31, 2022, 12:41 PM Christopher Kimball
A A >A
A <[1][319]ChrisVKimball at msn.com<mailto:[320]ChrisVKimball at msn.com>>
wrote:
A A >
A A >A A A AA A The power seems to be there when pushing the
window down
A A (it's
A A >A A A already
A A >A A A AA A down all the way) but nothing when I push the
switch up.AA I
A A >A A A beleive the
A A >A A A AA A plastic window gears were replaced by brass
units before I
A A >A A A bought the
A A >A A A AA A car, but that was over 16 years ago, and I'm
just taking the
A A >A A A seller's
A A >A A A AA A word for it.
A A >A A A AA A Sincerely,
A A >A A A AA A Chris
A A >A A A AA A
A A >A A A A
A
A __________________________________________________________________
A A >A A A AA A From: Mike & Elizabeth
<[2][321]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com<mailto:[322]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>>
A A >A A A AA A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:34 AM
A A >A A A AA A To: 'Christopher Kimball'
<[3][323]chrisvkimball at msn.com<mailto:[324]chrisvkimball at msn.com>>;
A A 'Pantera
A A >A A A Owners Club
A A >A A A AA A of America'
<[4][325]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[326]detomaso at serve
r.detomasolist.com>>
A A >A A A AA A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
A A >A A A AA A Are you saying that when you hit the window
switch, you can
A A >A A A hear the
A A >A A A AA A motor trying to move the window down but nothing
happens
A A when
A A >A A A you hit
A A >A A A AA A the switch to put it up?AA Or, is it down and
doesn't want
A A to
A A >A A A come up?
A A >A A A AA A Besides the switch, it could be that the
original plastic
A A gear
A A >A A A in your
A A >A A A AA A window motor has failed, as in crumbled into
little bits,
A A and
A A >A A A needs to
A A >A A A AA A be replaced.
A A >A A A AA A When I looked under the front of Chris' car, my
thought was
A A >A A A some kind
A A >A A A AA A of binding in the rack and pinion gears or the
turning of
A A the
A A >A A A steering
A A >A A A AA A shaft.AA As Chris mentioned, it was quite
pronounced when he
A A >A A A pulled into
A A >A A A AA A the garage, but completely gone after we'd
swapped out the
A A ZF
A A >A A A fluid.
A A >A A A AA A Mike
A A >A A A AA A -----Original Message-----
A A >A A A AA A From: DeTomaso
<[5][327]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[328]detoma
so-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>>
A A On
A A >A A A Behalf Of
A A >A A A AA A Christopher Kimball
A A >A A A AA A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:09 AM
A A >A A A AA A To: Pantera Owners Club of America
A A >A A
A <[6][329]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[330]detomaso at ser
ver.detomasolist.com>>
A A >A A A AA A Subject: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
A A >A A A AA A I warned you that once I got my car back I'd
again be
A A >A A A inundating you
A A >A A A AA A with questions!
A A >A A A AA A Here are the latest two:
A A >A A A AA AA A 1.AA A My passenger window decided it no
longer wants to
A A go
A A >A A A up.AA The
A A >A A A AA A down position still seems to work.AA I'm
assuming the switch
A A >A A A has gone
A A >A A A AA A bad, so I'll order a new pair tomorrow.AA In
the meantime,
A A is
A A >A A A there
A A >A A A AA A anything special I need to be aware of when
removing the
A A >A A A current
A A >A A A AA A switches?
A A >A A A AA AA A 1.AA A After driving about 45 minutes to
Mike Thomas'
A A house
A A >A A A in warm
A A >A A A AA A weather the other day for the gear-oil change ,
as I pulled
A A >A A A into Mikes'
A A >A A A AA A garage the front of the car seemed to be
groaning when going
A A >A A A over
A A >A A A AA A bumps, and especially when turning right or
left.AA Once in
A A the
A A >A A A garage
A A >A A A AA A and stationery, the sound was quite pronounced
when I turned
A A >A A A the wheels
A A >A A A AA A left or right.AA After the oil was changed,
probably an hour
A A or
A A >A A A so, we
A A >A A A AA A jacked up the front of the car and Mike took a
look at the
A A >A A A front wheels
A A >A A A AA A for loose bearings, and we again turned the
wheels
A A >A A A lock-to-lock.
A A >A A A AA A Nothing seemed wrong, and the noise was gone.AA
Even after
A A the
A A >A A A car was
A A >A A A AA A back on the ground the noise was no longer
there.
A A >A A A AA A Yesterday, in 99-degree heat, I drove about an
hour, and the
A A >A A A sound
A A >A A A AA A returned.AA After letting the car sit for a
couple of hours,
A A >A A A again, no
A A >A A A AA A sound.AA After driving home again, however, the
soundA
A A >A A A A returned--I
A A >A A A AA A became aware of it after I turned off the
freeway and began
A A >A A A turning
A A >A A A AA A left and right on the side streets.AA It almost
sounds as if
A A >A A A something
A A >A A A AA A is binding, or something under there needs
lubrication.A
A A Are
A A >A A A there
A A >A A A AA A places to lube things under the front of the
car?AA If so,
A A I'm
A A >A A A ready
A A >A A A AA A with my new, handy-dandy grease gun!AA
Otherwise, what could
A A be
A A >A A A the
A A >A A A AA A problem?
A A >A A A AA A I appreciate your help and advice.
A A >A A A AA A Sincerely,
A A >A A A AA A Chris
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A A Yes, it just seems to be sort of creaky when I'm going over
bumps or
A A turning at all. When I'm stopped and I turn the wheel it
actually
A A sounds like something is binding.
A A Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9+, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable
A A smartphone
A A -------- Original message --------
A A From: Jeff Detrich <[380]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
A A Date: 7/31/22 8:24 PM (GMT-08:00)
A A To: Christopher Kimball <[381]ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
A A Cc: David <[382]david at msmcontractors.org>, Konrad Szwab
<[383]kszwab at gmail.com>,
A A Pantera Owners Club of America
<[384]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
A A Did you say it was steering or when you went over a bump? Could
it be
A A the balance bars binding?
A A Jeff
A A 6559
A A On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 2:06 PM Christopher Kimball
A A <[1][385]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
A A A A Good news about the windows:A I moved the passenger
switch to the
A A A A driver's side, and the driver's side switch to the
passenger
A A A side, and
A A A A lo and behold, now they both work fine.A I'm guessing
corrosion
A A A built
A A A A up on the terminals, and when I pulled them off and put
them on
A A A again
A A A A it restored the connection.A I'll keep my eye on it and
see if
A A A there
A A A A are any other moments of hesitation with either window.
A A A A If only all Pantera projects were so easy to fix!
A A A A Now, about that steering noise...
A A A A Sincerely,
A A A A Chris
A A
A __________________________________________________________________
A A A A From: David <[2][386]david at msmcontractors.org>
A A A A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 11:37 AM
A A A A To: Konrad Szwab <[3][387]kszwab at gmail.com>
A A A A Cc: Christopher Kimball <[4][388]ChrisVKimball at msn.com>;
Pantera
A A A Owners Club of
A A A A America <[5][389]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
A A A A You should be able to see the Ammeter move if the motor
is
A A A working.
A A A A > On Jul 31, 2022, at 1:31 PM, Konrad Szwab
<[6][390]kszwab at gmail.com>
A A A wrote:
A A A A >
A A A A >A A In my case it was hardened grease after 30 years.
Took it
A A A apart,
A A A A >A A cleaned, re greased and it is good. Already had
brass gears
A A A changed
A A A A by
A A A A >A A my father in 1992.
A A A A >
A A A A >A A On Sun, Jul 31, 2022, 12:41 PM Christopher Kimball
A A A A >A A <[1][7][391]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
A A A A >
A A A A >A A A AA A The power seems to be there when pushing
the window
A A A down
A A A A (it's
A A A A >A A A already
A A A A >A A A AA A down all the way) but nothing when I push
the switch
A A A up.AA I
A A A A >A A A beleive the
A A A A >A A A AA A plastic window gears were replaced by
brass units
A A A before I
A A A A >A A A bought the
A A A A >A A A AA A car, but that was over 16 years ago, and
I'm just
A A A taking the
A A A A >A A A seller's
A A A A >A A A AA A word for it.
A A A A >A A A AA A Sincerely,
A A A A >A A A AA A Chris
A A A A >A A A AA A
A A A A >A A A A
A A
A __________________________________________________________________
A A A A >A A A AA A From: Mike & Elizabeth
<[2][8][392]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
A A A A >A A A AA A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:34 AM
A A A A >A A A AA A To: 'Christopher Kimball'
A A A <[3][9][393]chrisvkimball at msn.com>;
A A A A 'Pantera
A A A A >A A A Owners Club
A A A A >A A A AA A of America'
<[4][10][394]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A A A >A A A AA A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] steering noise
question
A A A A >A A A AA A Are you saying that when you hit the
window switch,
A A A you can
A A A A >A A A hear the
A A A A >A A A AA A motor trying to move the window down but
nothing
A A A happens
A A A A when
A A A A >A A A you hit
A A A A >A A A AA A the switch to put it up?AA Or, is it
down and doesn't
A A A want
A A A A to
A A A A >A A A come up?
A A A A >A A A AA A Besides the switch, it could be that the
original
A A A plastic
A A A A gear
A A A A >A A A in your
A A A A >A A A AA A window motor has failed, as in crumbled
into little
A A A bits,
A A A A and
A A A A >A A A needs to
A A A A >A A A AA A be replaced.
A A A A >A A A AA A When I looked under the front of Chris'
car, my
A A A thought was
A A A A >A A A some kind
A A A A >A A A AA A of binding in the rack and pinion gears
or the turning
A A A of
A A A A the
A A A A >A A A steering
A A A A >A A A AA A shaft.AA As Chris mentioned, it was
quite pronounced
A A A when he
A A A A >A A A pulled into
A A A A >A A A AA A the garage, but completely gone after
we'd swapped out
A A A the
A A A A ZF
A A A A >A A A fluid.
A A A A >A A A AA A Mike
A A A A >A A A AA A -----Original Message-----
A A A A >A A A AA A From: DeTomaso
A A A <[5][11][395]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
A A A A On
A A A A >A A A Behalf Of
A A A A >A A A AA A Christopher Kimball
A A A A >A A A AA A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:09 AM
A A A A >A A A AA A To: Pantera Owners Club of America
A A A A >A A A <[6][12][396]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A A A >A A A AA A Subject: [DeTomaso] steering noise
question
A A A A >A A A AA A I warned you that once I got my car back
I'd again be
A A A A >A A A inundating you
A A A A >A A A AA A with questions!
A A A A >A A A AA A Here are the latest two:
A A A A >A A A AA AA A 1.AA A My passenger window decided
it no longer
A A A wants to
A A A A go
A A A A >A A A up.AA The
A A A A >A A A AA A down position still seems to work.AA I'm
assuming the
A A A switch
A A A A >A A A has gone
A A A A >A A A AA A bad, so I'll order a new pair
tomorrow.AA In the
A A A meantime,
A A A A is
A A A A >A A A there
A A A A >A A A AA A anything special I need to be aware of
when removing
A A A the
A A A A >A A A current
A A A A >A A A AA A switches?
A A A A >A A A AA AA A 1.AA A After driving about 45
minutes to Mike
A A A Thomas'
A A A A house
A A A A >A A A in warm
A A A A >A A A AA A weather the other day for the gear-oil
change , as I
A A A pulled
A A A A >A A A into Mikes'
A A A A >A A A AA A garage the front of the car seemed to be
groaning when
A A A going
A A A A >A A A over
A A A A >A A A AA A bumps, and especially when turning right
or left.A
A A A Once in
A A A A the
A A A A >A A A garage
A A A A >A A A AA A and stationery, the sound was quite
pronounced when I
A A A turned
A A A A >A A A the wheels
A A A A >A A A AA A left or right.AA After the oil was
changed, probably
A A A an hour
A A A A or
A A A A >A A A so, we
A A A A >A A A AA A jacked up the front of the car and Mike
took a look at
A A A the
A A A A >A A A front wheels
A A A A >A A A AA A for loose bearings, and we again turned
the wheels
A A A A >A A A lock-to-lock.
A A A A >A A A AA A Nothing seemed wrong, and the noise was
gone.AA Even
A A A after
A A A A the
A A A A >A A A car was
A A A A >A A A AA A back on the ground the noise was no
longer there.
A A A A >A A A AA A Yesterday, in 99-degree heat, I drove
about an hour,
A A A and the
A A A A >A A A sound
A A A A >A A A AA A returned.AA After letting the car sit
for a couple of
A A A hours,
A A A A >A A A again, no
A A A A >A A A AA A sound.AA After driving home again,
however, the soundA
A A A A >A A A A returned--I
A A A A >A A A AA A became aware of it after I turned off the
freeway and
A A A began
A A A A >A A A turning
A A A A >A A A AA A left and right on the side streets.AA It
almost sounds
A A A as if
A A A A >A A A something
A A A A >A A A AA A is binding, or something under there
needs
A A A lubrication.A
A A A A Are
A A A A >A A A there
A A A A >A A A AA A places to lube things under the front of
the car?AA If
A A A so,
A A A A I'm
A A A A >A A A ready
A A A A >A A A AA A with my new, handy-dandy grease gun!AA
Otherwise, what
A A A could
A A A A be
A A A A >A A A the
A A A A >A A A AA A problem?
A A A A >A A A AA A I appreciate your help and advice.
A A A A >A A A AA A Sincerely,
A A A A >A A A AA A Chris
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2022 07:28:26 -0400
From: Will Kooiman <[463]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
To: Christopher Kimball <[464]ChrisVKimball at msn.com>, Jeff Detrich
A A A A <[465]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
Cc: Pantera Owners Club of America
<[466]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
Message-ID: <[467]D2D27EE6-DE74-4517-B8BC-13A21591BA04 at gmail.com>
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My guess is tie rods, or perhaps the ball/socket piece that's inside
the rack.
If you remove the tie rods from the spindle and them move them
up/down/back/forth, it should all be smooth - fairly stiff, but
smooth.
Or, it could just be a dry rack.
?On 7/31/22, 11:47 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Christopher Kimball"
<[468]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[469]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
A A A A Yes, it just seems to be sort of creaky when I'm going
over bumps or
A A A A turning at all. When I'm stopped and I turn the wheel it
actually
A A A A sounds like something is binding.
A A A A Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9+, an AT&T 5G Evolution
capable
A A A A smartphone
A A A A -------- Original message --------
A A A A From: Jeff Detrich <[470]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
A A A A Date: 7/31/22 8:24 PM (GMT-08:00)
A A A A To: Christopher Kimball <[471]ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
A A A A Cc: David <[472]david at msmcontractors.org>, Konrad Szwab
<[473]kszwab at gmail.com>,
A A A A Pantera Owners Club of America
<[474]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
A A A A Did you say it was steering or when you went over a bump?
Could it be
A A A A the balance bars binding?
A A A A Jeff
A A A A 6559
A A A A On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 2:06 PM Christopher Kimball
A A A A <[1][475]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
A A A A A A Good news about the windows:A I moved the
passenger switch to the
A A A A A A driver's side, and the driver's side switch to the
passenger
A A A A A side, and
A A A A A A lo and behold, now they both work fine.A I'm
guessing corrosion
A A A A A built
A A A A A A up on the terminals, and when I pulled them off
and put them on
A A A A A again
A A A A A A it restored the connection.A I'll keep my eye on
it and see if
A A A A A there
A A A A A A are any other moments of hesitation with either
window.
A A A A A A If only all Pantera projects were so easy to fix!
A A A A A A Now, about that steering noise...
A A A A A A Sincerely,
A A A A A A Chris
A A A A
A __________________________________________________________________
A A A A A A From: David <[2][476]david at msmcontractors.org>
A A A A A A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 11:37 AM
A A A A A A To: Konrad Szwab <[3][477]kszwab at gmail.com>
A A A A A A Cc: Christopher Kimball
<[4][478]ChrisVKimball at msn.com>; Pantera
A A A A A Owners Club of
A A A A A A America <[5][479]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A A A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
A A A A A A You should be able to see the Ammeter move if the
motor is
A A A A A working.
A A A A A A > On Jul 31, 2022, at 1:31 PM, Konrad Szwab
<[6][480]kszwab at gmail.com>
A A A A A wrote:
A A A A A A >
A A A A A A >A A In my case it was hardened grease after 30
years. Took it
A A A A A apart,
A A A A A A >A A cleaned, re greased and it is good. Already
had brass gears
A A A A A changed
A A A A A A by
A A A A A A >A A my father in 1992.
A A A A A A >
A A A A A A >A A On Sun, Jul 31, 2022, 12:41 PM Christopher
Kimball
A A A A A A >A A <[1][7][481]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
A A A A A A >
A A A A A A >A A A AA A The power seems to be there when
pushing the window
A A A A A down
A A A A A A (it's
A A A A A A >A A A already
A A A A A A >A A A AA A down all the way) but nothing when
I push the switch
A A A A A up.AA I
A A A A A A >A A A beleive the
A A A A A A >A A A AA A plastic window gears were replaced
by brass units
A A A A A before I
A A A A A A >A A A bought the
A A A A A A >A A A AA A car, but that was over 16 years
ago, and I'm just
A A A A A taking the
A A A A A A >A A A seller's
A A A A A A >A A A AA A word for it.
A A A A A A >A A A AA A Sincerely,
A A A A A A >A A A AA A Chris
A A A A A A >A A A AA A
A A A A A A >A A A A
A A A A
A __________________________________________________________________
A A A A A A >A A A AA A From: Mike & Elizabeth
<[2][8][482]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
A A A A A A >A A A AA A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:34
AM
A A A A A A >A A A AA A To: 'Christopher Kimball'
A A A A A <[3][9][483]chrisvkimball at msn.com>;
A A A A A A 'Pantera
A A A A A A >A A A Owners Club
A A A A A A >A A A AA A of America'
<[4][10][484]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A A A A A >A A A AA A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] steering
noise question
A A A A A A >A A A AA A Are you saying that when you hit
the window switch,
A A A A A you can
A A A A A A >A A A hear the
A A A A A A >A A A AA A motor trying to move the window
down but nothing
A A A A A happens
A A A A A A when
A A A A A A >A A A you hit
A A A A A A >A A A AA A the switch to put it up?AA Or, is
it down and doesn't
A A A A A want
A A A A A A to
A A A A A A >A A A come up?
A A A A A A >A A A AA A Besides the switch, it could be
that the original
A A A A A plastic
A A A A A A gear
A A A A A A >A A A in your
A A A A A A >A A A AA A window motor has failed, as in
crumbled into little
A A A A A bits,
A A A A A A and
A A A A A A >A A A needs to
A A A A A A >A A A AA A be replaced.
A A A A A A >A A A AA A When I looked under the front of
Chris' car, my
A A A A A thought was
A A A A A A >A A A some kind
A A A A A A >A A A AA A of binding in the rack and pinion
gears or the turning
A A A A A of
A A A A A A the
A A A A A A >A A A steering
A A A A A A >A A A AA A shaft.AA As Chris mentioned, it
was quite pronounced
A A A A A when he
A A A A A A >A A A pulled into
A A A A A A >A A A AA A the garage, but completely gone
after we'd swapped out
A A A A A the
A A A A A A ZF
A A A A A A >A A A fluid.
A A A A A A >A A A AA A Mike
A A A A A A >A A A AA A -----Original Message-----
A A A A A A >A A A AA A From: DeTomaso
A A A A A <[5][11][485]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
A A A A A A On
A A A A A A >A A A Behalf Of
A A A A A A >A A A AA A Christopher Kimball
A A A A A A >A A A AA A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:09
AM
A A A A A A >A A A AA A To: Pantera Owners Club of America
A A A A A A >A A
A <[6][12][486]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A A A A A >A A A AA A Subject: [DeTomaso] steering noise
question
A A A A A A >A A A AA A I warned you that once I got my car
back I'd again be
A A A A A A >A A A inundating you
A A A A A A >A A A AA A with questions!
A A A A A A >A A A AA A Here are the latest two:
A A A A A A >A A A AA AA A 1.AA A My passenger window
decided it no longer
A A A A A wants to
A A A A A A go
A A A A A A >A A A up.AA The
A A A A A A >A A A AA A down position still seems to
work.AA I'm assuming the
A A A A A switch
A A A A A A >A A A has gone
A A A A A A >A A A AA A bad, so I'll order a new pair
tomorrow.AA In the
A A A A A meantime,
A A A A A A is
A A A A A A >A A A there
A A A A A A >A A A AA A anything special I need to be aware
of when removing
A A A A A the
A A A A A A >A A A current
A A A A A A >A A A AA A switches?
A A A A A A >A A A AA AA A 1.AA A After driving about 45
minutes to Mike
A A A A A Thomas'
A A A A A A house
A A A A A A >A A A in warm
A A A A A A >A A A AA A weather the other day for the
gear-oil change , as I
A A A A A pulled
A A A A A A >A A A into Mikes'
A A A A A A >A A A AA A garage the front of the car seemed
to be groaning when
A A A A A going
A A A A A A >A A A over
A A A A A A >A A A AA A bumps, and especially when turning
right or left.A
A A A A A Once in
A A A A A A the
A A A A A A >A A A garage
A A A A A A >A A A AA A and stationery, the sound was quite
pronounced when I
A A A A A turned
A A A A A A >A A A the wheels
A A A A A A >A A A AA A left or right.AA After the oil was
changed, probably
A A A A A an hour
A A A A A A or
A A A A A A >A A A so, we
A A A A A A >A A A AA A jacked up the front of the car and
Mike took a look at
A A A A A the
A A A A A A >A A A front wheels
A A A A A A >A A A AA A for loose bearings, and we again
turned the wheels
A A A A A A >A A A lock-to-lock.
A A A A A A >A A A AA A Nothing seemed wrong, and the noise
was gone.AA Even
A A A A A after
A A A A A A the
A A A A A A >A A A car was
A A A A A A >A A A AA A back on the ground the noise was no
longer there.
A A A A A A >A A A AA A Yesterday, in 99-degree heat, I
drove about an hour,
A A A A A and the
A A A A A A >A A A sound
A A A A A A >A A A AA A returned.AA After letting the car
sit for a couple of
A A A A A hours,
A A A A A A >A A A again, no
A A A A A A >A A A AA A sound.AA After driving home again,
however, the soundA
A A A A A A >A A A A returned--I
A A A A A A >A A A AA A became aware of it after I turned
off the freeway and
A A A A A began
A A A A A A >A A A turning
A A A A A A >A A A AA A left and right on the side
streets.AA It almost sounds
A A A A A as if
A A A A A A >A A A something
A A A A A A >A A A AA A is binding, or something under
there needs
A A A A A lubrication.A
A A A A A A Are
A A A A A A >A A A there
A A A A A A >A A A AA A places to lube things under the
front of the car?AA If
A A A A A so,
A A A A A A I'm
A A A A A A >A A A ready
A A A A A A >A A A AA A with my new, handy-dandy grease
gun!AA Otherwise, what
A A A A A could
A A A A A A be
A A A A A A >A A A the
A A A A A A >A A A AA A problem?
A A A A A A >A A A AA A I appreciate your help and advice.
A A A A A A >A A A AA A Sincerely,
A A A A A A >A A A AA A Chris
A A A A A A >A A
A _______________________________________________
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2022 15:06:00 +0000
From: Christopher Kimball <[555]ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
To: Will Kooiman <[556]will.kooiman at gmail.com>, Jeff Detrich
A A A A <[557]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
Cc: Pantera Owners Club of America
<[558]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
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Thank you, I will have that checked out. I appreciate your help!
Sincerely, Chris
Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9+, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable
smartphone
-------- Original message --------
From: Will Kooiman <[560]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
Date: 8/1/22 4:28 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Christopher Kimball <[561]ChrisVKimball at msn.com>, Jeff Detrich
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Cc: Pantera Owners Club of America
<[563]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
My guess is tie rods, or perhaps the ball/socket piece that's inside
the rack.
If you remove the tie rods from the spindle and them move them
up/down/back/forth, it should all be smooth - fairly stiff, but
smooth.
Or, it could just be a dry rack.
?On 7/31/22, 11:47 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Christopher Kimball"
<[564]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[565]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
A A A A Yes, it just seems to be sort of creaky when I'm going
over bumps or
A A A A turning at all. When I'm stopped and I turn the wheel it
actually
A A A A sounds like something is binding.
A A A A Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9+, an AT&T 5G Evolution
capable
A A A A smartphone
A A A A -------- Original message --------
A A A A From: Jeff Detrich <[566]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
A A A A Date: 7/31/22 8:24 PM (GMT-08:00)
A A A A To: Christopher Kimball <[567]ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
A A A A Cc: David <[568]david at msmcontractors.org>, Konrad Szwab
<[569]kszwab at gmail.com>,
A A A A Pantera Owners Club of America
<[570]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
A A A A Did you say it was steering or when you went over a bump?
Could it be
A A A A the balance bars binding?
A A A A Jeff
A A A A 6559
A A A A On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 2:06 PM Christopher Kimball
A A A A <[1][571]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
A A A A A A Good news about the windows:A I moved the
passenger switch to the
A A A A A A driver's side, and the driver's side switch to the
passenger
A A A A A side, and
A A A A A A lo and behold, now they both work fine.A I'm
guessing corrosion
A A A A A built
A A A A A A up on the terminals, and when I pulled them off
and put them on
A A A A A again
A A A A A A it restored the connection.A I'll keep my eye on
it and see if
A A A A A there
A A A A A A are any other moments of hesitation with either
window.
A A A A A A If only all Pantera projects were so easy to fix!
A A A A A A Now, about that steering noise...
A A A A A A Sincerely,
A A A A A A Chris
A A A A
A __________________________________________________________________
A A A A A A From: David <[2][572]david at msmcontractors.org>
A A A A A A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 11:37 AM
A A A A A A To: Konrad Szwab <[3][573]kszwab at gmail.com>
A A A A A A Cc: Christopher Kimball
<[4][574]ChrisVKimball at msn.com>; Pantera
A A A A A Owners Club of
A A A A A A America <[5][575]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A A A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
A A A A A A You should be able to see the Ammeter move if the
motor is
A A A A A working.
A A A A A A > On Jul 31, 2022, at 1:31 PM, Konrad Szwab
<[6][576]kszwab at gmail.com>
A A A A A wrote:
A A A A A A >
A A A A A A >A A In my case it was hardened grease after 30
years. Took it
A A A A A apart,
A A A A A A >A A cleaned, re greased and it is good. Already
had brass gears
A A A A A changed
A A A A A A by
A A A A A A >A A my father in 1992.
A A A A A A >
A A A A A A >A A On Sun, Jul 31, 2022, 12:41 PM Christopher
Kimball
A A A A A A >A A <[1][7][577]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
A A A A A A >
A A A A A A >A A A AA A The power seems to be there when
pushing the window
A A A A A down
A A A A A A (it's
A A A A A A >A A A already
A A A A A A >A A A AA A down all the way) but nothing when
I push the switch
A A A A A up.AA I
A A A A A A >A A A beleive the
A A A A A A >A A A AA A plastic window gears were replaced
by brass units
A A A A A before I
A A A A A A >A A A bought the
A A A A A A >A A A AA A car, but that was over 16 years
ago, and I'm just
A A A A A taking the
A A A A A A >A A A seller's
A A A A A A >A A A AA A word for it.
A A A A A A >A A A AA A Sincerely,
A A A A A A >A A A AA A Chris
A A A A A A >A A A AA A
A A A A A A >A A A A
A A A A
A __________________________________________________________________
A A A A A A >A A A AA A From: Mike & Elizabeth
<[2][8][578]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
A A A A A A >A A A AA A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:34
AM
A A A A A A >A A A AA A To: 'Christopher Kimball'
A A A A A <[3][9][579]chrisvkimball at msn.com>;
A A A A A A 'Pantera
A A A A A A >A A A Owners Club
A A A A A A >A A A AA A of America'
<[4][10][580]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A A A A A >A A A AA A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] steering
noise question
A A A A A A >A A A AA A Are you saying that when you hit
the window switch,
A A A A A you can
A A A A A A >A A A hear the
A A A A A A >A A A AA A motor trying to move the window
down but nothing
A A A A A happens
A A A A A A when
A A A A A A >A A A you hit
A A A A A A >A A A AA A the switch to put it up?AA Or, is
it down and doesn't
A A A A A want
A A A A A A to
A A A A A A >A A A come up?
A A A A A A >A A A AA A Besides the switch, it could be
that the original
A A A A A plastic
A A A A A A gear
A A A A A A >A A A in your
A A A A A A >A A A AA A window motor has failed, as in
crumbled into little
A A A A A bits,
A A A A A A and
A A A A A A >A A A needs to
A A A A A A >A A A AA A be replaced.
A A A A A A >A A A AA A When I looked under the front of
Chris' car, my
A A A A A thought was
A A A A A A >A A A some kind
A A A A A A >A A A AA A of binding in the rack and pinion
gears or the turning
A A A A A of
A A A A A A the
A A A A A A >A A A steering
A A A A A A >A A A AA A shaft.AA As Chris mentioned, it
was quite pronounced
A A A A A when he
A A A A A A >A A A pulled into
A A A A A A >A A A AA A the garage, but completely gone
after we'd swapped out
A A A A A the
A A A A A A ZF
A A A A A A >A A A fluid.
A A A A A A >A A A AA A Mike
A A A A A A >A A A AA A -----Original Message-----
A A A A A A >A A A AA A From: DeTomaso
A A A A A <[5][11][581]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
A A A A A A On
A A A A A A >A A A Behalf Of
A A A A A A >A A A AA A Christopher Kimball
A A A A A A >A A A AA A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:09
AM
A A A A A A >A A A AA A To: Pantera Owners Club of America
A A A A A A >A A
A <[6][12][582]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A A A A A >A A A AA A Subject: [DeTomaso] steering noise
question
A A A A A A >A A A AA A I warned you that once I got my car
back I'd again be
A A A A A A >A A A inundating you
A A A A A A >A A A AA A with questions!
A A A A A A >A A A AA A Here are the latest two:
A A A A A A >A A A AA AA A 1.AA A My passenger window
decided it no longer
A A A A A wants to
A A A A A A go
A A A A A A >A A A up.AA The
A A A A A A >A A A AA A down position still seems to
work.AA I'm assuming the
A A A A A switch
A A A A A A >A A A has gone
A A A A A A >A A A AA A bad, so I'll order a new pair
tomorrow.AA In the
A A A A A meantime,
A A A A A A is
A A A A A A >A A A there
A A A A A A >A A A AA A anything special I need to be aware
of when removing
A A A A A the
A A A A A A >A A A current
A A A A A A >A A A AA A switches?
A A A A A A >A A A AA AA A 1.AA A After driving about 45
minutes to Mike
A A A A A Thomas'
A A A A A A house
A A A A A A >A A A in warm
A A A A A A >A A A AA A weather the other day for the
gear-oil change , as I
A A A A A pulled
A A A A A A >A A A into Mikes'
A A A A A A >A A A AA A garage the front of the car seemed
to be groaning when
A A A A A going
A A A A A A >A A A over
A A A A A A >A A A AA A bumps, and especially when turning
right or left.A
A A A A A Once in
A A A A A A the
A A A A A A >A A A garage
A A A A A A >A A A AA A and stationery, the sound was quite
pronounced when I
A A A A A turned
A A A A A A >A A A the wheels
A A A A A A >A A A AA A left or right.AA After the oil was
changed, probably
A A A A A an hour
A A A A A A or
A A A A A A >A A A so, we
A A A A A A >A A A AA A jacked up the front of the car and
Mike took a look at
A A A A A the
A A A A A A >A A A front wheels
A A A A A A >A A A AA A for loose bearings, and we again
turned the wheels
A A A A A A >A A A lock-to-lock.
A A A A A A >A A A AA A Nothing seemed wrong, and the noise
was gone.AA Even
A A A A A after
A A A A A A the
A A A A A A >A A A car was
A A A A A A >A A A AA A back on the ground the noise was no
longer there.
A A A A A A >A A A AA A Yesterday, in 99-degree heat, I
drove about an hour,
A A A A A and the
A A A A A A >A A A sound
A A A A A A >A A A AA A returned.AA After letting the car
sit for a couple of
A A A A A hours,
A A A A A A >A A A again, no
A A A A A A >A A A AA A sound.AA After driving home again,
however, the soundA
A A A A A A >A A A A returned--I
A A A A A A >A A A AA A became aware of it after I turned
off the freeway and
A A A A A began
A A A A A A >A A A turning
A A A A A A >A A A AA A left and right on the side
streets.AA It almost sounds
A A A A A as if
A A A A A A >A A A something
A A A A A A >A A A AA A is binding, or something under
there needs
A A A A A lubrication.A
A A A A A A Are
A A A A A A >A A A there
A A A A A A >A A A AA A places to lube things under the
front of the car?AA If
A A A A A so,
A A A A A A I'm
A A A A A A >A A A ready
A A A A A A >A A A AA A with my new, handy-dandy grease
gun!AA Otherwise, what
A A A A A could
A A A A A A be
A A A A A A >A A A the
A A A A A A >A A A AA A problem?
A A A A A A >A A A AA A I appreciate your help and advice.
A A A A A A >A A A AA A Sincerely,
A A A A A A >A A A AA A Chris
A A A A A A >A A
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A A Thank you, I will have that checked out. I appreciate your
help!
A A Sincerely, Chris
A A Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9+, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable
A A smartphone
A A -------- Original message --------
A A From: Will Kooiman <[651]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
A A Date: 8/1/22 4:28 AM (GMT-08:00)
A A To: Christopher Kimball <[652]ChrisVKimball at msn.com>, Jeff
Detrich
A A <[653]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
A A Cc: Pantera Owners Club of America
<[654]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
A A My guess is tie rods, or perhaps the ball/socket piece that's
inside
A A the rack.
A A If you remove the tie rods from the spindle and them move them
A A up/down/back/forth, it should all be smooth - fairly stiff, but
smooth.
A A Or, it could just be a dry rack.
A A On 7/31/22, 11:47 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Christopher
Kimball"
A A <[655]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
A A [656]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
A A A A A Yes, it just seems to be sort of creaky when I'm
going over
A A bumps or
A A A A A turning at all. When I'm stopped and I turn the wheel
it
A A actually
A A A A A sounds like something is binding.
A A A A A Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9+, an AT&T 5G Evolution
capable
A A A A A smartphone
A A A A A -------- Original message --------
A A A A A From: Jeff Detrich <[657]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
A A A A A Date: 7/31/22 8:24 PM (GMT-08:00)
A A A A A To: Christopher Kimball <[658]ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
A A A A A Cc: David <[659]david at msmcontractors.org>, Konrad
Szwab
A A <[660]kszwab at gmail.com>,
A A A A A Pantera Owners Club of America
A A <[661]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
A A A A A Did you say it was steering or when you went over a
bump? Could
A A it be
A A A A A the balance bars binding?
A A A A A Jeff
A A A A A 6559
A A A A A On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 2:06 PM Christopher Kimball
A A A A A <[1][662]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
A A A A A A A A Good news about the windows:A I moved the
passenger switch
A A to the
A A A A A A A A driver's side, and the driver's side switch
to the
A A passenger
A A A A A A side, and
A A A A A A A A lo and behold, now they both work fine.A I'm
guessing
A A corrosion
A A A A A A built
A A A A A A A A up on the terminals, and when I pulled them
off and put
A A them on
A A A A A A again
A A A A A A A A it restored the connection.A I'll keep my
eye on it and see
A A if
A A A A A A there
A A A A A A A A are any other moments of hesitation with
either window.
A A A A A A A A If only all Pantera projects were so easy to
fix!
A A A A A A A A Now, about that steering noise...
A A A A A A A A Sincerely,
A A A A A A A A Chris
A
A __________________________________________________________________
A A A A A A A A From: David
<[2][663]david at msmcontractors.org>
A A A A A A A A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 11:37 AM
A A A A A A A A To: Konrad Szwab <[3][664]kszwab at gmail.com>
A A A A A A A A Cc: Christopher Kimball
<[4][665]ChrisVKimball at msn.com>; Pantera
A A A A A A Owners Club of
A A A A A A A A America
<[5][666]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A A A A A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise
question
A A A A A A A A You should be able to see the Ammeter move if
the motor is
A A A A A A working.
A A A A A A A A > On Jul 31, 2022, at 1:31 PM, Konrad Szwab
A A <[6][667]kszwab at gmail.com>
A A A A A A wrote:
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A >A A In my case it was hardened grease after
30 years. Took
A A it
A A A A A A apart,
A A A A A A A A >A A cleaned, re greased and it is good.
Already had brass
A A gears
A A A A A A changed
A A A A A A A A by
A A A A A A A A >A A my father in 1992.
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A >A A On Sun, Jul 31, 2022, 12:41 PM
Christopher Kimball
A A A A A A A A >A A <[1][7][668]ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
wrote:
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A The power seems to be there
when pushing the
A A window
A A A A A A down
A A A A A A A A (it's
A A A A A A A A >A A A already
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A down all the way) but nothing
when I push the
A A switch
A A A A A A up.AA I
A A A A A A A A >A A A beleive the
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A plastic window gears were
replaced by brass
A A units
A A A A A A before I
A A A A A A A A >A A A bought the
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A car, but that was over 16
years ago, and I'm
A A just
A A A A A A taking the
A A A A A A A A >A A A seller's
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A word for it.
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A Sincerely,
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A Chris
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A
A A A A A A A A >A A A A
A
A __________________________________________________________________
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A From: Mike & Elizabeth
A A <[2][8][669]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022
10:34 AM
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A To: 'Christopher Kimball'
A A A A A A <[3][9][670]chrisvkimball at msn.com>;
A A A A A A A A 'Pantera
A A A A A A A A >A A A Owners Club
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A of America'
A A <[4][10][671]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso]
steering noise question
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A Are you saying that when you
hit the window
A A switch,
A A A A A A you can
A A A A A A A A >A A A hear the
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A motor trying to move the
window down but nothing
A A A A A A happens
A A A A A A A A when
A A A A A A A A >A A A you hit
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A the switch to put it up?AA
Or, is it down and
A A doesn't
A A A A A A want
A A A A A A A A to
A A A A A A A A >A A A come up?
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A Besides the switch, it could
be that the
A A original
A A A A A A plastic
A A A A A A A A gear
A A A A A A A A >A A A in your
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A window motor has failed, as in
crumbled into
A A little
A A A A A A bits,
A A A A A A A A and
A A A A A A A A >A A A needs to
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A be replaced.
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A When I looked under the front
of Chris' car, my
A A A A A A thought was
A A A A A A A A >A A A some kind
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A of binding in the rack and
pinion gears or the
A A turning
A A A A A A of
A A A A A A A A the
A A A A A A A A >A A A steering
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A shaft.AA As Chris mentioned,
it was quite
A A pronounced
A A A A A A when he
A A A A A A A A >A A A pulled into
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A the garage, but completely
gone after we'd
A A swapped out
A A A A A A the
A A A A A A A A ZF
A A A A A A A A >A A A fluid.
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A Mike
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A -----Original Message-----
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A From: DeTomaso
A A A A A A
<[5][11][672]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
A A A A A A A A On
A A A A A A A A >A A A Behalf Of
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A Christopher Kimball
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022
10:09 AM
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A To: Pantera Owners Club of
America
A A A A A A A A >A A
A <[6][12][673]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A Subject: [DeTomaso] steering
noise question
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A I warned you that once I got
my car back I'd
A A again be
A A A A A A A A >A A A inundating you
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A with questions!
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A Here are the latest two:
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA AA A 1.AA A My passenger
window decided it no
A A longer
A A A A A A wants to
A A A A A A A A go
A A A A A A A A >A A A up.AA The
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A down position still seems to
work.AA I'm
A A assuming the
A A A A A A switch
A A A A A A A A >A A A has gone
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A bad, so I'll order a new pair
tomorrow.AA In the
A A A A A A meantime,
A A A A A A A A is
A A A A A A A A >A A A there
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A anything special I need to be
aware of when
A A removing
A A A A A A the
A A A A A A A A >A A A current
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A switches?
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA AA A 1.AA A After driving
about 45 minutes to Mike
A A A A A A Thomas'
A A A A A A A A house
A A A A A A A A >A A A in warm
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A weather the other day for the
gear-oil change ,
A A as I
A A A A A A pulled
A A A A A A A A >A A A into Mikes'
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A garage the front of the car
seemed to be
A A groaning when
A A A A A A going
A A A A A A A A >A A A over
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A bumps, and especially when
turning right or
A A left.A
A A A A A A Once in
A A A A A A A A the
A A A A A A A A >A A A garage
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A and stationery, the sound was
quite pronounced
A A when I
A A A A A A turned
A A A A A A A A >A A A the wheels
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A left or right.AA After the
oil was changed,
A A probably
A A A A A A an hour
A A A A A A A A or
A A A A A A A A >A A A so, we
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A jacked up the front of the car
and Mike took a
A A look at
A A A A A A the
A A A A A A A A >A A A front wheels
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A for loose bearings, and we
again turned the
A A wheels
A A A A A A A A >A A A lock-to-lock.
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A Nothing seemed wrong, and the
noise was gone.A
A A Even
A A A A A A after
A A A A A A A A the
A A A A A A A A >A A A car was
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A back on the ground the noise
was no longer
A A there.
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A Yesterday, in 99-degree heat,
I drove about an
A A hour,
A A A A A A and the
A A A A A A A A >A A A sound
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A returned.AA After letting the
car sit for a
A A couple of
A A A A A A hours,
A A A A A A A A >A A A again, no
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A sound.AA After driving home
again, however, the
A A soundA
A A A A A A A A >A A A A returned--I
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A became aware of it after I
turned off the
A A freeway and
A A A A A A began
A A A A A A A A >A A A turning
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A left and right on the side
streets.AA It almost
A A sounds
A A A A A A as if
A A A A A A A A >A A A something
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A is binding, or something under
there needs
A A A A A A lubrication.A
A A A A A A A A Are
A A A A A A A A >A A A there
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A places to lube things under
the front of the
A A car?AA If
A A A A A A so,
A A A A A A A A I'm
A A A A A A A A >A A A ready
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A with my new, handy-dandy
grease gun!A
A A Otherwise, what
A A A A A A could
A A A A A A A A be
A A A A A A A A >A A A the
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A problem?
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A I appreciate your help and
advice.
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A Sincerely,
A A A A A A A A >A A A AA A Chris
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