[DeTomaso] The Dead Battery Dilemma
Will Kooiman
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Wed Sep 29 08:35:33 EDT 2021
That's only partially true. Overall, I agree, but it's not quite accurate.
There are lots of EVs in South Florida.
1. Teslas come with a slow charger that plugs into a normal outlet - so maybe 15 amps. Most owners use this. It charges the car completely overnight. This is for normal commute driving.
2. Many businesses have free quick chargers. Many owners drive to Target, for example, and quick charge their Teslas while they hang out in the store (they have a Starbucks in the Target).
3. The toll roads have free quick chargers at the rest areas. At least I think they're free. I might be wrong about it being free. I've never used them.
4. You can buy a quick charger from Tesla. It can charge up to 75 amps, but you can set it wherever you want - assuming you have the proper gauge wires and circuit breaker. I installed one for my neighbor. She never used it. She didn't drive her Tesla much, so she kept it parked in the stall with the slow charger.
5. I bet many people that have a "quick charger" don't realize that their installer configured it for 30 amp. They're already clueless about "saving the planet". They're probably not smart enough to check the amperage.
My point is that at least in my circle of friends, most EV owners never really use the 75amp charger. And those that do, are only charging at 75 amps for maybe an hour.
Don't get me wrong. I agree with the bash on EVs. They are expensive. They are subsidized by the government. They do nothing to reduce pollution. The battery technology isn't there yet. Most hybrids get bad fuel economy. I laugh at a Mercedes hybrid, for example, that gets under 30mpg. Why?
I've posted before that I had a Honda Insight - the original one. I loved that car. The cost to replace the batteries at the dealer was $4K. I did it myself with a 3rd party battery pack. It was $1K. Then Panasonic stopped making the D-cell batteries that went into the pack, so you can't get those batteries anymore.
We put 250,000 miles on it. When it was new, it would do 75mpg. When it had 200,000 miles with a fresh battery, it would still do 60mpg. It had the usual dings from surviving that long. The rings were worn on the 3-cylinder. If we could still get batteries, we'd probably still have that car.
On 9/28/21, 8:30 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Dick Koch" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of redcatman74 at gmail.com> wrote:
From a friend:
REALITY CHECK: At a neighborhood BBQ I was talking to a neighbor, a BC
Hydro Executive named Eric. I asked him how that renewable thing was
doing. He laughed, then got serious about it.
"If you really intend to adopt electric vehicles, you have to face
certain realities. For example, a home charging system for a Tesla
requires 75 amp service. The average house is equipped with 100 amp
service. On our small street (approximately 25 homes), the electrical
infrastructure would be unable to carry more than three houses with a
single Tesla each. For even half the homes to have electric vehicles,
the system would be wildly over-loaded.
"This is the elephant in the room with electric vehicles. Our
residential infrastructure cannot bear the load.
So, as our genius elected officials promote this nonsense, not only are
we being urged to buy these things and replace our reliable, cheap
generating systems with expensive new windmills and solar cells, but we
will also have to renovate our entire delivery system! This later
"investment" will not be revealed until we're so far down this dead end
road that it will be presented with an 'OOPS...!' and a shrug."
Eric test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors and
he writes, "For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted
only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine."
Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the
battery. So, the range including the 9-gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh
battery is approximately 270 miles.
It will take you 4.5 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10
hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5
hours. In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging
time) would be 20 mph.
According to General Motors, the Volt battery holds 16 kwh of
electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The
cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned, so I
looked up what I pay for electricity.
I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16
per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery. $18.56
per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt
using the battery. Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline
engine that gets only 32 mpg. $3.19 per gallon divided by 32 Mpg =
$0.10 per mile.A A
The gasoline powered car costs about $25,000 while the Volt costs
$46,000 plus. So the Government wants us to pay twice as much for a
car, that costs more than seven times as much to run, and takes three
times longer to drive across the country.
WAKE UP NORTH AMERICA!!!!!!!
On Tue, Sep 28, 2021, 6:39 PM Mike Drew via DeTomaso
<[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Yup. So-called agreena cars are nothing but rolling toxic waste
dumps, and in many parts of the country they are essentially
coal-powered because thatas where the electricity comes from.
The smug, self-righteous Kool-aid drinkers who are touting this
technology as being beneficial to the planet willfully ignore the
facts.
Mike
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> On Sep 28, 2021, at 15:05, Scott Mead Photography
<[2]scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
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> i>>?Very interesting story, which touches on the main issue I
addressed back in 1999 when I was working for Edmunds.com (the
Company actually leased one of the first Insights that hit SoCal for
a year). The manufacturers and customers are so laser-focused on
fuel economy, reduced emissions and health of the Planet, that they
completely ignore the costs (monetarily and environmental) acradle
to grave.a Thatas from the time the first shovel of dirt is mined
for the Lithium, through the complete recycling/disposal of the
vehicle.
>
> On the overall scheme, EVs aren't as agreena as politicians make
them out to be.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Sep 28, 2021, at 1:30 PM, B Hower via DeTomaso
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