[DeTomaso] The Dead Battery Dilemma
Dick Koch
redcatman74 at gmail.com
Tue Sep 28 20:29:33 EDT 2021
>From a friend:
REALITY CHECK: At a neighborhood BBQ I was talking to a neighbor, a BC
Hydro Executive named Eric. I asked him how that renewable thing was doing.
He laughed, then got serious about it.
"If you really intend to adopt electric vehicles, you have to face certain
realities. For example, a home charging system for a Tesla requires 75 amp
service. The average house is equipped with 100 amp service. On our small
street (approximately 25 homes), the electrical infrastructure would be
unable to carry more than three houses with a single Tesla each. For even
half the homes to have electric vehicles, the system would be wildly
over-loaded.
"This is the elephant in the room with electric vehicles. Our residential
infrastructure cannot bear the load.
So, as our genius elected officials promote this nonsense, not only are we
being urged to buy these things and replace our reliable, cheap generating
systems with expensive new windmills and solar cells, but we will also have
to renovate our entire delivery system! This later "investment" will not be
revealed until we're so far down this dead end road that it will be
presented with an 'OOPS...!' and a shrug."
Eric test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors and he
writes, "For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25
miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine."
Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the
battery. So, the range including the 9-gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh
battery is approximately 270 miles.
It will take you 4.5 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours
to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a
typical road trip your average speed (including charging time) would be 20
mph.
According to General Motors, the Volt battery holds 16 kwh of electricity.
It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The cost for the
electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned, so I looked up what I
pay for electricity.
I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per
kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery. $18.56 per
charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the
battery. Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine that
gets only 32 mpg. $3.19 per gallon divided by 32 Mpg = $0.10 per mile.
The gasoline powered car costs about $25,000 while the Volt costs $46,000
plus. So the Government wants us to pay twice as much for a car, that costs
more than seven times as much to run, and takes three times longer to drive
across the country.
WAKE UP NORTH AMERICA!!!!!!!
On Tue, Sep 28, 2021, 6:39 PM Mike Drew via DeTomaso <
detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> Yup. So-called ‘green’ cars are nothing but rolling toxic waste dumps, and
> in many parts of the country they are essentially coal-powered because
> that’s where the electricity comes from.
>
> The smug, self-righteous Kool-aid drinkers who are touting this technology
> as being beneficial to the planet willfully ignore the facts.
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Sep 28, 2021, at 15:05, Scott Mead Photography <
> scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
> >
> > Very interesting story, which touches on the main issue I addressed
> back in 1999 when I was working for Edmunds.com (the Company actually
> leased one of the first Insights that hit SoCal for a year). The
> manufacturers and customers are so laser-focused on fuel economy, reduced
> emissions and health of the Planet, that they completely ignore the costs
> (monetarily and environmental) “cradle to grave.” That’s from the time the
> first shovel of dirt is mined for the Lithium, through the complete
> recycling/disposal of the vehicle.
> >
> > On the overall scheme, EVs aren't as “green” as politicians make them
> out to be.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Sep 28, 2021, at 1:30 PM, B Hower via DeTomaso <
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> The Dead Battery Dilemma
> >> [1]
> https://www.science.org/news/2021/05/millions-electric-cars-are-comi
> >> ng-what-happens-all-dead-batteries
> >> Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be
> >> ! )
> >>
> >> References
> >>
> >> 1.
> https://www.science.org/news/2021/05/millions-electric-cars-are-coming-what-happens-all-dead-batteries
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From a friend:
REALITY CHECK: At a neighborhood BBQ I was talking to a neighbor, a BC
Hydro Executive named Eric. I asked him how that renewable thing was
doing. He laughed, then got serious about it.
"If you really intend to adopt electric vehicles, you have to face
certain realities. For example, a home charging system for a Tesla
requires 75 amp service. The average house is equipped with 100 amp
service. On our small street (approximately 25 homes), the electrical
infrastructure would be unable to carry more than three houses with a
single Tesla each. For even half the homes to have electric vehicles,
the system would be wildly over-loaded.
"This is the elephant in the room with electric vehicles. Our
residential infrastructure cannot bear the load.
So, as our genius elected officials promote this nonsense, not only are
we being urged to buy these things and replace our reliable, cheap
generating systems with expensive new windmills and solar cells, but we
will also have to renovate our entire delivery system! This later
"investment" will not be revealed until we're so far down this dead end
road that it will be presented with an 'OOPS...!' and a shrug."
Eric test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors and
he writes, "For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted
only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine."
Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the
battery. So, the range including the 9-gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh
battery is approximately 270 miles.
It will take you 4.5 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10
hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5
hours. In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging
time) would be 20 mph.
According to General Motors, the Volt battery holds 16 kwh of
electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The
cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned, so I
looked up what I pay for electricity.
I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16
per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery. $18.56
per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt
using the battery. Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline
engine that gets only 32 mpg. $3.19 per gallon divided by 32 Mpg =
$0.10 per mile.A A
The gasoline powered car costs about $25,000 while the Volt costs
$46,000 plus. So the Government wants us to pay twice as much for a
car, that costs more than seven times as much to run, and takes three
times longer to drive across the country.
WAKE UP NORTH AMERICA!!!!!!!
On Tue, Sep 28, 2021, 6:39 PM Mike Drew via DeTomaso
<[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Yup. So-called agreena cars are nothing but rolling toxic waste
dumps, and in many parts of the country they are essentially
coal-powered because thatas where the electricity comes from.
The smug, self-righteous Kool-aid drinkers who are touting this
technology as being beneficial to the planet willfully ignore the
facts.
Mike
Sent from my iPad
> On Sep 28, 2021, at 15:05, Scott Mead Photography
<[2]scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
>
> i>>?Very interesting story, which touches on the main issue I
addressed back in 1999 when I was working for Edmunds.com (the
Company actually leased one of the first Insights that hit SoCal for
a year). The manufacturers and customers are so laser-focused on
fuel economy, reduced emissions and health of the Planet, that they
completely ignore the costs (monetarily and environmental) acradle
to grave.a Thatas from the time the first shovel of dirt is mined
for the Lithium, through the complete recycling/disposal of the
vehicle.
>
> On the overall scheme, EVs aren't as agreena as politicians make
them out to be.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 28, 2021, at 1:30 PM, B Hower via DeTomaso
<[3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>
>> i>>?A A The Dead Battery Dilemma
>>A
[1][4]https://www.science.org/news/2021/05/millions-electric-cars-ar
e-comi
>>A ng-what-happens-all-dead-batteries
>>A Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may
not be
>>A ! )
>>
>> References
>>
>>A 1.
[5]https://www.science.org/news/2021/05/millions-electric-cars-are-c
oming-what-happens-all-dead-batteries
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5. https://www.science.org/news/2021/05/millions-electric-cars-are-coming-what-happens-all-dead-batteries
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