[DeTomaso] 427 SOHC On BaT - Who wants to try dropping this in their Pantera . . . ?
Jim Kosloskey
jim.kosloskey at jim-kosloskey.com
Thu Oct 14 19:00:49 EDT 2021
Chuck,
I will need to go to the archives and read those. One is a wedge. It will be
interesting to see if the other is a SOHC. The SOHC besides being overhead
cam was also a hemi head. My recollection is it was both longer and wider
(at the heads anyway) than the wedge 427. It was also incredibly heavy.
The SOHC is a beast of an engine when running correctly. NASCAR would not
allow the engine in competition, so a number of NHRA (Comets as I recall)
were fitted with the beast at Dearborn Steel Tubing and other places for
Ford.
I worked at Experimental Engine Buildup back then and the Ford technicians
had issues trying to get the beast running properly and reliably. But when
it did – wow!!
The Comets so equipped had real issues connecting the power this engine
produced to the ground. The ones that did were really fast and in some cases
smoked the rear tires a full ¼ mile while winning.
Jim
From: Charles Engles [mailto:cengles at cox.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 5:41 PM
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Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] 427 SOHC On BaT - Who wants to try dropping this in
their Pantera . . . ?
Dear Jim,
Inquiring minds want to know:
Pantera International Vol. 10 No. 2 Fall/Winter 1983 page38
This is The Pantera of The Quarter. Fred Fossett owned a
Pantera shop at the time (Kansas?) and describes the conversion of a Pantera
with a 1967 427 side-oiler using two Holley 780 cfm carb and a valve train
with sodium-filled exhaust valves, etc and an estimated horsepower of
approximately "475". Five photos accompany the article.
Pantera Int'l Vol 12 Nos. 2 & 3 Winter '85 & Spring '86. Two part
article: Transformation---A Rusty Pantera Into a Group IV 427 by Dennis
Quella. This article describes the resurrection of a rusty Pantera with
several photos of the process. This Pantera is powered by a 427 medium-rise
wedge with extensive modificatons of the rear frame rails, engine mounts,
extra bracing, etc.
There may be more 427 Pantera articles. I went as far as P.I.
Fall 1995. I did not check the Profiles.
So, it has been done at least twice in the past.
Historically yours, Chuck Engles
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From: Jim Kosloskey [mailto:jim.kosloskey at jim-kosloskey.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 2:12 PM
To: 'Charles Engles'; 'Mike & Elizabeth'; 'Detomaso Forum'
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] 427 SOHC On BaT - Who wants to try dropping this in
their Pantera . . . ?
Hmmm I wonder if that was a wedge or the SOHC? The SOHC is quite a bit
larger as I recall.
Jim Kosloskey
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 427 SOHC On BaT - Who wants to try dropping this in
their Pantera . . . ?
Dear Mike,
IIRC, Pantera Performance Center transplanted a 427 into a
Pantera back in the late eighties--early nineties.
If that is correct, then it must have been quite a project.
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
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Of Mike & Elizabeth
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 12:26 PM
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Subject: [DeTomaso] 427 SOHC On BaT - Who wants to try dropping this in
their Pantera . . . ?
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/427-sohc-ford-v-8-from-the-60s/
I seem to recall some one has tried this in past. Would be rather like
trying to put a size 14 foot in a size 10 shoe. . .
Mike Thomas
Panteras Northwest
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Chuck,
I will need to go to the archives and read those. One is a wedge. It
will be interesting to see if the other is a SOHC. The SOHC besides
being overhead cam was also a hemi head. My recollection is it was both
longer and wider (at the heads anyway) than the wedge 427. It was also
incredibly heavy.
The SOHC is a beast of an engine when running correctly. NASCAR would
not allow the engine in competition, so a number of NHRA (Comets as I
recall) were fitted with the beast at Dearborn Steel Tubing and other
places for Ford.
I worked at Experimental Engine Buildup back then and the Ford
technicians had issues trying to get the beast running properly and
reliably. But when it did - wow!!
The Comets so equipped had real issues connecting the power this engine
produced to the ground. The ones that did were really fast and in some
cases smoked the rear tires a full 1/4 mile while winning.
Jim
From: Charles Engles [mailto:cengles at cox.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 5:41 PM
To: 'Jim Kosloskey' <jim.kosloskey at jim-kosloskey.com>; 'Mike &
Elizabeth' <mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>; 'Detomaso Forum'
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] 427 SOHC On BaT - Who wants to try dropping
this in their Pantera . . . ?
Dear Jim,
Inquiring minds want to know:
Pantera International Vol. 10 No. 2 Fall/Winter 1983 page38
This is The Pantera of The Quarter. Fred Fossett owned
a Pantera shop at the time (Kansas?) and describes the conversion of a
Pantera with a 1967 427 side-oiler using two Holley 780 cfm carb and a
valve train with sodium-filled exhaust valves, etc and an estimated
horsepower of approximately "475". Five photos accompany the article.
Pantera Int'l Vol 12 Nos. 2 & 3 Winter '85 & Spring '86. Two part
article: Transformation---A Rusty Pantera Into a Group IV 427 by
Dennis Quella. This article describes the resurrection of a rusty
Pantera with several photos of the process. This Pantera is powered by
a 427 medium-rise wedge with extensive modificatons of the rear frame
rails, engine mounts, extra bracing, etc.
There may be more 427 Pantera articles. I went as far as
P.I. Fall 1995. I did not check the Profiles.
So, it has been done at least twice in the past.
Historically yours, Chuck
Engles
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Kosloskey [[1]mailto:jim.kosloskey at jim-kosloskey.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 2:12 PM
To: 'Charles Engles'; 'Mike & Elizabeth'; 'Detomaso Forum'
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] 427 SOHC On BaT - Who wants to try dropping
this in their Pantera . . . ?
Hmmm I wonder if that was a wedge or the SOHC? The SOHC is quite a bit
larger as I recall.
Jim Kosloskey
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [[2]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
Of Charles Engles
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 1:51 PM
To: 'Mike & Elizabeth' <[3]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>; 'Detomaso Forum'
<[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 427 SOHC On BaT - Who wants to try dropping
this in
their Pantera . . . ?
Dear Mike,
IIRC, Pantera Performance Center transplanted a 427 into
a
Pantera back in the late eighties--early nineties.
If that is correct, then it must have been quite a
project.
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
-----Original Message-----
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Behalf
Of Mike & Elizabeth
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 12:26 PM
To: 'Detomaso Forum'
Subject: [DeTomaso] 427 SOHC On BaT - Who wants to try dropping this in
their Pantera . . . ?
[6]https://bringatrailer.com/listing/427-sohc-ford-v-8-from-the-60s/
I seem to recall some one has tried this in past. Would be rather like
trying to put a size 14 foot in a size 10 shoe. . .
Mike Thomas
Panteras Northwest
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