[DeTomaso] Pictures of blown clutch from Portland
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Mon Oct 11 20:51:46 EDT 2021
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On Monday, October 11, 2021, 6:13:08 PM CDT, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
You can bend the tabs back, but I prefer to lift the tail of the
engine, or loosen the engine mounts if too tight and carefully jack up
the rear of the oil pan to increase the pull angle clearance over the
transaxle mounting tabs.
Larry
From: Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
Date: Monday, October 11, 2021 at 4:06 PM
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>, Asa Jay Laughton
<asajay at asajay.com>, List DeTomaso Forum
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pictures of blown clutch from Portland
So, another issue we thought of was that, with the tranny mounts as
they are, we would not be able to lift the transaxle enough (given the
input shaft) to clear the tranny mounts without also unbolting and
lifting the motor. But, I am guessing you all have not had an issue
with that?
Regards,
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
Direct: 480-442-0297
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On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 4:02 PM Julian Kift
<[2]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
If not already installed, you might want to put the short hose to the
filter on a swivel fitting to avoid stressing the hose. Alternatively,
you could install a no leak quick disconnect fitting to separate that
line.
Julian
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pictures of blown clutch from Portland
It looks like your almost there Steve, just dismount it and lay it over
the top of the Quarter panel. As an also, put a fan on it, as there is
not much air circulation in that location without a inside thru the
cooler to outside air flow from a electric fan.
12027P Fan assy air cond. Condenser, Maridyne 10" 950 CFM
$180.00
Larry
On 10/11/21, 3:46 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Steve Lisa"
<[8]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[9]stevelisa at patentit.com> wrote:
Hmmm.... do you think that will work here?A See our cooler
setup:
* [1][10]https://photos.app.goo.gl/RjToSEDuk79fpoVA8
Regardless, we should make the cooler more easily removed if
that saves
us 3-4 hours of additional work.
Regards,A
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
Direct: 480-442-0297
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On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 3:12 PM Asa Jay Laughton
<[3][12]asajay at asajay.com>
wrote:
To remove transaxle, unbolt the cooler from body and flip it
over a
fender ( use a fender cover ).A Remove the rear grill between
the
exhausts and that will give you the clearance without having to
disconnect any lines.
:)
Asa A Jay
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On Oct 11, 2021, at 08:42, Steve Lisa
<[4][13]stevelisa at patentit.com>
wrote:
i>>?
The friction material actually disintegrated and was all over
the place
- mostly blown out the inspection window at the top.A It was a
lot of
friction material -- so it looked and ran fine until all of
sudden it
didn't.A Since it is Asa Jay's original clutch, it served its
life
well.A A
With as much HP/Torque we are running, we surely needed it to be
a more
regular maintenance item.A We had already replaced it with the
Centerforce for the Cleveland, and then we pulled the Cleveland
and
installed the Clevor, we went with the motor-builder had
assembled on
the CLEVOR -- which was the old McCleod.A I don't think we
intended it
to be in there very long.A But, the CLEVOR is running well and
suiting
these early races, so we left it in -- too long,A obviously!A A
BTW - we still haven't figured out how to remove the transaxle
assembly
to clear theA coolers without completelyA unbolting and lifting
the
motor.A I know it is supposedly done, but we can't figure it
out.A A
Regards,A
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
Direct: 480-442-0297
[5][14]www.PatentIt.com
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On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 8:06 AM Asa Jay Laughton
<[6][15]asajay at asajay.com>
wrote:
Looks like the McLeod I put in back in 2012.A Looks like
friction
material completely wore off one side.A All the springs are
still
in place.A
You do know that the friction material on a pantera clutch
disk is
slightly thinner than average?A Racing as hard as you and
Tony do,
it may be a good idea to check it often.A Convenient to have
an
inspection hole at the top of the bell housing.
:)
What did you replace it with?
Asa Jay
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> On Oct 11, 2021, at 07:04, Steve Lisa
<[7][16]stevelisa at patentit.com>
wrote:
>
> i>>?A A For those interested, here is a link of the
pictures of
our blown up
>A A clutch assembly from the Portland race.AA A
>A A A *
[1][8][17]https://photos.app.goo.gl/cUh1qNerQ5JUfWWh7
>
>A A Regards,A
>A A Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
>A A The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
>A A Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
>A A Direct: 480-442-0297
>A A [2][9][18]www.PatentIt.com
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I second you last choice Emoji
Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be
! )
On Monday, October 11, 2021, 6:13:08 PM CDT, Larry Stock
<larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
You can bend the tabs back, but I prefer to lift the tail of the
engine, or loosen the engine mounts if too tight and carefully jack
up
the rear of the oil pan to increase the pull angle clearance over the
transaxle mounting tabs.
Larry
From: Steve Lisa <[1]stevelisa at patentit.com>
Date: Monday, October 11, 2021 at 4:06 PM
To: Julian Kift <[2]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: Larry Stock <[3]larrys at panteraparts.com>, Asa Jay Laughton
<[4]asajay at asajay.com>, List DeTomaso Forum
<[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pictures of blown clutch from Portland
So, another issue we thought of was that, with the tranny mounts as
they are, we would not be able to lift the transaxle enough (given
the
input shaft) to clear the tranny mounts without also unbolting and
lifting the motor. But, I am guessing you all have not had an issue
with that?
Regards,
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
Email: [6]SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
Direct: 480-442-0297
[1]www.PatentIt.com
Scottsdale Office | P: 480.535.6656 | F: 480.535.6628 | A: 7689
East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260
Chicago Office | P: 312.752.4357 | F: 312.896.5633 | A: 55 E.
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On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 4:02 PM Julian Kift
<[2][7]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
If not already installed, you might want to put the short hose to the
filter on a swivel fitting to avoid stressing the hose.
Alternatively,
you could install a no leak quick disconnect fitting to separate that
line.
Julian
_______________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <[3][8]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf
of Larry Stock <[4][9]larrys at panteraparts.com>
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 3:55 PM
To: Steve Lisa <[5][10]stevelisa at patentit.com>; Asa Jay Laughton
<[6][11]asajay at asajay.com>
Cc: List DeTomaso Forum <[7][12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pictures of blown clutch from Portland
It looks like your almost there Steve, just dismount it and lay it
over
the top of the Quarter panel. As an also, put a fan on it, as there
is
not much air circulation in that location without a inside thru the
cooler to outside air flow from a electric fan.
12027P Fan assy air cond. Condenser, Maridyne 10" 950 CFM
$180.00
Larry
On 10/11/21, 3:46 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Steve Lisa"
<[8][13]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[9][14]stevelisa at patentit.com> wrote:
Hmmm.... do you think that will work here?A See our cooler
setup:
* [1][10][15]https://photos.app.goo.gl/RjToSEDuk79fpoVA8
Regardless, we should make the cooler more easily removed if
that saves
us 3-4 hours of additional work.
Regards,A
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
Email: [16]SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
Direct: 480-442-0297
[2][11]www.PatentIt.com
Scottsdale OfficeA |A P:A 480.535.6656A |A A F:A
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|A A A:A 7689 East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ
85260
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On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 3:12 PM Asa Jay Laughton
<[3][12][17]asajay at asajay.com>
wrote:
To remove transaxle, unbolt the cooler from body and flip it
over a
fender ( use a fender cover ).A Remove the rear grill
between
the
exhausts and that will give you the clearance without having
to
disconnect any lines.
:)
Asa A Jay
Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
On Oct 11, 2021, at 08:42, Steve Lisa
<[4][13][18]stevelisa at patentit.com>
wrote:
i>>?
The friction material actually disintegrated and was all over
the place
- mostly blown out the inspection window at the top.A It was
a
lot of
friction material -- so it looked and ran fine until all of
sudden it
didn't.A Since it is Asa Jay's original clutch, it served
its
life
well.A A
With as much HP/Torque we are running, we surely needed it to
be
a more
regular maintenance item.A We had already replaced it with
the
Centerforce for the Cleveland, and then we pulled the
Cleveland
and
installed the Clevor, we went with the motor-builder had
assembled on
the CLEVOR -- which was the old McCleod.A I don't think we
intended it
to be in there very long.A But, the CLEVOR is running well
and
suiting
these early races, so we left it in -- too long,A obviously!A
A
BTW - we still haven't figured out how to remove the
transaxle
assembly
to clear theA coolers without completelyA unbolting and
lifting
the
motor.A I know it is supposedly done, but we can't figure it
out.A A
Regards,A
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
Email: [19]SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
Direct: 480-442-0297
[5][14]www.PatentIt.com
Scottsdale OfficeA |A P:A 480.535.6656A |A A F:A
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|A A A:A 7689 East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ
85260
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On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 8:06 AM Asa Jay Laughton
<[6][15][20]asajay at asajay.com>
wrote:
Looks like the McLeod I put in back in 2012.A Looks like
friction
material completely wore off one side.A All the springs
are
still
in place.A
You do know that the friction material on a pantera clutch
disk is
slightly thinner than average?A Racing as hard as you and
Tony do,
it may be a good idea to check it often.A Convenient to
have
an
inspection hole at the top of the bell housing.
:)
What did you replace it with?
Asa Jay
Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
> On Oct 11, 2021, at 07:04, Steve Lisa
<[7][16][21]stevelisa at patentit.com>
wrote:
>
> i>>?A A For those interested, here is a link of the
pictures of
our blown up
>A A clutch assembly from the Portland race.AA A
>A A A *
[1][8][17][22]https://photos.app.goo.gl/cUh1qNerQ5JUfWWh7
>
>A A Regards,A
>A A Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
>A A The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
>A A Email: [23]SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
>A A Direct: 480-442-0297
>A A [2][9][18]www.PatentIt.com
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Scottsdale,
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