[DeTomaso] NPC: Maserati Kyalami - Rebadged/Repowered Longchamp?
LSJ
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Tue Jan 12 13:08:31 EST 2021
The 450S was a Bruiser!
There were versions with 5.7 L engines and even larger.
The production cars had tachometers with conservative redlines marked on them.
Many testers used 6000 and even 6500 rpm for testing purposes which resulted in very good performance.
LSJ
On Monday, January 11, 2021, 5:48:20 PM EST, Mike & Elizabeth <mbefthomas2 at gmail.com> wrote:
Trivia for the day. When I was last having my ZF tended to at Vintage Racing Motors in Redmond, Wa., where all of the Seattle area tech millin/billionaires have their toys taken care of. Byron showed me a few of the cars around the shop, including a 1962 (?) Lotus formula 1 car, 1958 Ferrari Testa Rosa, 1955 Mercedes 300 SLR Roadster and a Maserati 450S. The 450S was having a good bit of work done and most of the front body work was off of the car. The sight of the huge motor in that little aluminum body and tubular frame was quite a sight. Bryon showed me a little 'spy glass', a little round pieces of glass about 1-1.5" in diameter, in the leading edge of the left rear inner fender just under the drivers left elbow. He would look through this spy glass to check the remaining tire tread to know when he needed to pit for tires.
I love going up there as there is always something rare and interesting to see.
Happy Monday - Mike Thomas
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2021 10:10 AM
To: Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Maserati Kyalami - Rebadged/Repowered Longchamp?
Jim,
Early versions were 4.7L, and later were 4.9L, still relatively small. The motor was developed in 1954 as a 4.5L for the 450S race car, of which only nine were built. In that guise it made 400 hp, quite a lot for 1954.
The street motors were detuned for greater torque at the expense of HP, and made in the region of 290-320 hp.
I agree, it should be able to spin much higher than 5900?
Mike
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> On Jan 11, 2021, at 09:50, Pantdino via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> That Maser motor has always struck me as sort of a joke. It if
> physically HUGE because it is 4 cam, yet displaces only 4.2 liters.
> And, again, IIRC, the example I saw was redlined at 5900 rpm, just
> like a Cleveland. What's the point of having 4 cams if it's redlined
> at 5900?
> Jim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike & Elizabeth <mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Sent: Mon, Jan 11, 2021 7:22 am
> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Maserati Kyalami - Rebadged/Repowered
> Longchamp?
> OK, maybe I'm just late to the party here but I didn't realize that
> Maserati released their own version of the Longchamp in the Kyalami.
> Take a look at this BaT auction, there is no mistaking the Longchamp
> lines. It does have the quad-cam Maser motor rather than the
> Cleveland.
> [1][1]https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1977-maserati-kyalami/
> Mike Thomas
> References
> 1. [2]https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1977-maserati-kyalami/
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The 450S was a Bruiser!
There were versions with 5.7 L engines and even larger.
The production cars had tachometers with conservative redlines marked
on them.
Many testers used 6000 and even 6500 rpm for testing purposes which
resulted in very good performance.
LSJ
On Monday, January 11, 2021, 5:48:20 PM EST, Mike & Elizabeth
<mbefthomas2 at gmail.com> wrote:
Trivia for the day. When I was last having my ZF tended to at Vintage
Racing Motors in Redmond, Wa., where all of the Seattle area tech
millin/billionaires have their toys taken care of. Byron showed me a
few of the cars around the shop, including a 1962 (?) Lotus formula 1
car, 1958 Ferrari Testa Rosa, 1955 Mercedes 300 SLR Roadster and a
Maserati 450S. The 450S was having a good bit of work done and most of
the front body work was off of the car. The sight of the huge motor in
that little aluminum body and tubular frame was quite a sight. Bryon
showed me a little 'spy glass', a little round pieces of glass about
1-1.5" in diameter, in the leading edge of the left rear inner fender
just under the drivers left elbow. He would look through this spy
glass to check the remaining tire tread to know when he needed to pit
for tires.
I love going up there as there is always something rare and interesting
to see.
Happy Monday - Mike Thomas
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Drew <[1]mikeldrew at aol.com>
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2021 10:10 AM
To: Pantdino <[2]pantdino at aol.com>
Cc: [3]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com; [4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Maserati Kyalami - Rebadged/Repowered
Longchamp?
i>>?Jim,
Early versions were 4.7L, and later were 4.9L, still relatively small.
The motor was developed in 1954 as a 4.5L for the 450S race car, of
which only nine were built. In that guise it made 400 hp, quite a lot
for 1954.
The street motors were detuned for greater torque at the expense of HP,
and made in the region of 290-320 hp.
I agree, it should be able to spin much higher than 5900?
Mike
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 11, 2021, at 09:50, Pantdino via DeTomaso
<[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> i>>? That Maser motor has always struck me as sort of a joke. It if
> physically HUGE because it is 4 cam, yet displaces only 4.2 liters.
> And, again, IIRC, the example I saw was redlined at 5900 rpm, just
> like a Cleveland. What's the point of having 4 cams if it's
redlined
> at 5900?
> Jim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike & Elizabeth <[6]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
> To: [7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Sent: Mon, Jan 11, 2021 7:22 am
> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Maserati Kyalami - Rebadged/Repowered
> Longchamp?
> OK, maybe I'm just late to the party here but I didn't realize
that
> Maserati released their own version of the Longchamp in the
Kyalami.
> Take a look at this BaT auction, there is no mistaking the
Longchamp
> lines. It does have the quad-cam Maser motor rather than the
> Cleveland.
> [1][1][8]https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1977-maserati-kyalami/
> Mike Thomas
> References
> 1. [2][9]https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1977-maserati-kyalami/
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> 1. [12]https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1977-maserati-kyalami/
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5. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
6. mailto:mbefthomas2 at gmail.com
7. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
8. https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1977-maserati-kyalami/
9. https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1977-maserati-kyalami/
10. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
11. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
12. https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1977-maserati-kyalami/
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