[DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale

Dave Londry davel at trguys.com
Thu Aug 19 14:15:30 EDT 2021


That's a very , very honest description of one of life's great D.F. 
moments, Steve.
We all have them, but sharing yours helps all the rest of us avoid that 
partcular one.
Thanks
Dave

On 2021-08-19 8:48 a.m., Steve Lisa wrote:
>     Our worst purchase was a "race-ready," "Ez-wider" ex-Howdy Holmes, Lola
>     T324 Formula Super Vee.A  We could tell it wasn't race-ready, but not
>     being able to drive it and with no recent videos, we were left with our
>     visual inspection at the auction.A  The engine alone was worth $9K, and
>     we were able to verify that it was indeed "the" ex-Howdy Holmes SV that
>     been modified to run in Formula Atlantic later in the 70's.A  All the
>     parts were there, and it drove on to the auction block.A  We decided to
>     bid on it, since we were doing more vintage racing and it would be a
>     good class/car for Tony to drive - plus it would easily fit in our rig
>     as a 3rd car to take to the races.A
>     Bidding stalled with us as high bidder at $15,000, and then right
>     before the hammer dropped, some drunk fool decided to jump in and
>     outbid us, and another impaired fool (me) decided I wasn't goingA to
>     let that happen.A  We ended at $26,000, and with auction fees/taxes, it
>     cost me over $30,000 to buy that car.A  We got it back to the race
>     shop, and the tub was a disaster.A  It had not been drilled out,
>     bonded, and riveted in decades - but in fact all the parts were there
>     and the engine ran well.A  Many hours of work later, we had the tub
>     apart, but, we are a very very long way from having it done.A A
>     Anyway, when we are finally - years from now -- completely done
>     restoring the car and get a few races under its belt, it may be worth
>     $25,000, if we are lucky.A  Our investment will be well north of
>     $50,000, not including shop labor.
>     That result is not the end of the world, but it will be the last car we
>     buy at one of the "Scottsdale Auctions" -- which is a shame, because we
>     like the events and car watching, but have a history of getting caught
>     up in the moment.A  So, I just have to stay away.A A
>     A A
>     Regards,A
>     Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
>     The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
>     Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
>     Direct: 480-442-0297
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>     On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 10:37 PM MICHAEL DREW <[3]mikeldrew at aol.com>
>     wrote:
>
>     i>>?
>     i>>?
>     i>>?Steve,
>     You are not alone. A guy arguably let his judgement be impaired by free
>     auction booze and bought a modified original GT5-S for $319k plus
>     commission. A few years later Covid kicked his financial butt and he
>     had to sell it.A  It took almost a year to sell and he struggled to get
>     $180k for it.A
>     Mike
>     Sent from my iPhone
>
>       On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:56, Steve Lisa <[4]stevelisa at patentit.com>
>       wrote:
>
>     i>>?
>     I have mostly crappy results (some alcohol-induced) buying cars at the
>     major auction houses.A  I think the exception is Bring A Trailer, which
>     draws comments and history for the cars from those that know it.A A
>     I have committed to stop drinking at auctions..... to help prevent
>     further mistakes.A  A
>     Regards,A
>     Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
>     The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
>     Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
>     Direct: 480-442-0297
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>     On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 1:50 PM Julian Kift
>     <[6]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>       A  A Mike,
>       A  A Now that is a theory that I wholly concur with! Having paid out
>       the
>       A  A owner his reserve after their inept 'modifications' they had no
>       A  A sellers' fees, no buyers commission and every reason to help
>       the car
>       A  A get as high as possible. I'm betting it will turn up in a
>       future
>       A  A auction having now established a fictitious perceived value
>       that will
>       A  A help it ultimately sell for more than it would without that
>       A  A intervention.
>       A  A Julian
>       A  A
>       A __________________________________________________________________
>       A  A From: MICHAEL DREW <[7]mikeldrew at aol.com>
>       A  A Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 1:42 PM
>       A  A To: Julian Kift <[8]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>       A  A Cc: De Tomaso Forum <[9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>       A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>       A  A Julian,
>       A  A As for the lime green car, I'm not convinced it actually sold.
>       I will
>       A  A believe it when the new owner steps forward. Until then I will
>       stand on
>       A  A my conviction that Mecum bought it themselves, with admittedly
>       no
>       A  A evidence to support that contention.
>       A  A Mike
>       A  A Sent from my iPhone
>       A  A > On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:46, Julian Kift
>       <[10]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>       A  A wrote:
>       A  A >
>       A  A >A  A  Uh, not exactly what you said, but close enough. I'm
>       just
>       A  A surprised the
>       A  A >A  A lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much
>       A  A >
>       A  A >A  A Julian
>       A  A >
>       A
>       A __________________________________________________________________
>       A  A >
>       A  A >A  A From: Mike Drew <[11]mikeldrew at aol.com>
>       A  A >A  A Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
>       A  A >A  A To: Julian Kift <[12]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>       A  A >A  A Cc: De Tomaso Forum
>       <[13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>       A  A >A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>       A  A >
>       A  A >A  A Julian,
>       A  A >A  A Uh...that's exactly what I said. An original car is worth
>       far more
>       A  A than
>       A  A >A  A a modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a
>       modified one,
>       A  A >A  A don't wreck an unmodified one.
>       A  A >A  A Mike
>       A  A >A  A Sent from my iPad
>       A  A >>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift
>       <[14]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>       A  A >>A  A wrote:
>       A  A >>
>       A  A >>A  A Mike,
>       A  A >>
>       A  A >>A  The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are now
>       comprised
>       A  A >A  A of a
>       A  A >>A  heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no
>       appreciation
>       A  A >A  A of
>       A  A >>A  the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to actually
>       drive it,
>       A  A >A  A only
>       A  A >>A  it's originality and potential for investment growth. By
>       that same
>       A  A >>A  token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars are
>       prepared to
>       A  A >>A  shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow body
>       A  A >A  A counterparts
>       A  A >>A  due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a little
>       biased on
>       A  A >A  A a
>       A  A >>A  very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I think
>       it's
>       A  A >>A  predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth more
>       than a
>       A  A >>A  modified one.
>       A  A >>
>       A  A >>A  Julian
>       A  A >>
>       A  A >A
>       A __________________________________________________________________
>       A  A >>
>       A  A >>A  From: DeTomaso
>       <[15]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
>       A  A >A  A of
>       A  A >>A  Mike Drew via DeTomaso
>       <[16]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>       A  A >>A  Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
>       A  A >>A  To: De Tomaso Forum <[17]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>       A  A >>A  Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>       A  A >>
>       A  A >>A  All,
>       A  A >>A  There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was
>       overlooked in the
>       A  A >>A  Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
>       A  A >>A  This car:
>       A  A >>A
>       [1][18]https://www.mecum.com/lots/CA0821-481041/1972-detomaso-panter
>       a/
>       A  A >>A  Sold for $78k.
>       A  A >>A  Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people
>       were
>       A  A >A  A willing
>       A  A >>A  to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay
>       for a
>       A  A >A  A GT5
>       A  A >>A  conversion!A  This just highlights what I've said for
>       years--if you
>       A  A >A  A are
>       A  A >>A  considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or
>       GT5-S or
>       A  A >A  A GT/4
>       A  A >>A  configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost
>       of the
>       A  A >>A  conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in
>       value, for
>       A  A >A  A an
>       A  A >>A  all-in cost of $40-60k.
>       A  A >>A  If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself
>       and the
>       A  A >A  A world
>       A  A >>A  a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks
>       like a
>       A  A >A  A really
>       A  A >>A  nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister
>       Widebody.
>       A  A >A  A And
>       A  A >>A  it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger
>       (and
>       A  A >>A  deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose
>       not to hack
>       A  A >>A  your car and instead sold it and bought one already done,
>       you would
>       A  A >>A  likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your
>       pocket!
>       A  A >>A  Mike
>       A  A >>A  Sent from my iPad
>       A  A >>
>       A  A >> References
>       A  A >>
>       A  A >>A  1.
>       A  A >A
>       A [1][19]https://www.mecum.com/lots/CA0821-481041/1972-detomaso-pant
>       era/
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   That's a very , very honest description of one of life's great D.F.
   moments, Steve.
   We all have them, but sharing yours helps all the rest of us avoid that
   partcular one.
   Thanks
   Dave

   On 2021-08-19 8:48 a.m., Steve Lisa wrote:

   Our worst purchase was a "race-ready," "Ez-wider" ex-Howdy Holmes, Lola
   T324 Formula Super Vee.A  We could tell it wasn't race-ready, but not
   being able to drive it and with no recent videos, we were left with our
   visual inspection at the auction.A  The engine alone was worth $9K, and
   we were able to verify that it was indeed "the" ex-Howdy Holmes SV that
   been modified to run in Formula Atlantic later in the 70's.A  All the
   parts were there, and it drove on to the auction block.A  We decided to
   bid on it, since we were doing more vintage racing and it would be a
   good class/car for Tony to drive - plus it would easily fit in our rig
   as a 3rd car to take to the races.A
   Bidding stalled with us as high bidder at $15,000, and then right
   before the hammer dropped, some drunk fool decided to jump in and
   outbid us, and another impaired fool (me) decided I wasn't goingA to
   let that happen.A  We ended at $26,000, and with auction fees/taxes, it
   cost me over $30,000 to buy that car.A  We got it back to the race
   shop, and the tub was a disaster.A  It had not been drilled out,
   bonded, and riveted in decades - but in fact all the parts were there
   and the engine ran well.A  Many hours of work later, we had the tub
   apart, but, we are a very very long way from having it done.A A
   Anyway, when we are finally - years from now -- completely done
   restoring the car and get a few races under its belt, it may be worth
   $25,000, if we are lucky.A  Our investment will be well north of
   $50,000, not including shop labor.
   That result is not the end of the world, but it will be the last car we
   buy at one of the "Scottsdale Auctions" -- which is a shame, because we
   like the events and car watching, but have a history of getting caught
   up in the moment.A  So, I just have to stay away.A A
   A A
   Regards,A
   Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
   The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
   Email: [1]SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
   Direct: 480-442-0297
   [1]www.PatentIt.com
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   On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 10:37 PM MICHAEL DREW [2]<[3]mikeldrew at aol.com>
   wrote:

   i>>?
   i>>?
   i>>?Steve,
   You are not alone. A guy arguably let his judgement be impaired by free
   auction booze and bought a modified original GT5-S for $319k plus
   commission. A few years later Covid kicked his financial butt and he
   had to sell it.A  It took almost a year to sell and he struggled to get
   $180k for it.A
   Mike
   Sent from my iPhone

     On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:56, Steve Lisa [3]<[4]stevelisa at patentit.com>
     wrote:

   i>>?
   I have mostly crappy results (some alcohol-induced) buying cars at the
   major auction houses.A  I think the exception is Bring A Trailer, which
   draws comments and history for the cars from those that know it.A A
   I have committed to stop drinking at auctions..... to help prevent
   further mistakes.A  A
   Regards,A
   Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
   The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
   Email: [4]SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
   Direct: 480-442-0297
   [5]www.PatentIt.com
   Scottsdale OfficeA |A P:A 480.535.6656A  |A A F:A 480.535.6628A
   |A A A:A 7689 East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260

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   On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 1:50 PM Julian Kift
   [5]<[6]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:

     A  A Mike,
     A  A Now that is a theory that I wholly concur with! Having paid out
     the
     A  A owner his reserve after their inept 'modifications' they had no
     A  A sellers' fees, no buyers commission and every reason to help
     the car
     A  A get as high as possible. I'm betting it will turn up in a
     future
     A  A auction having now established a fictitious perceived value
     that will
     A  A help it ultimately sell for more than it would without that
     A  A intervention.
     A  A Julian
     A  A
     A __________________________________________________________________
     A  A From: MICHAEL DREW [6]<[7]mikeldrew at aol.com>
     A  A Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 1:42 PM
     A  A To: Julian Kift [7]<[8]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
     A  A Cc: De Tomaso Forum [8]<[9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
     A  A Julian,
     A  A As for the lime green car, I'm not convinced it actually sold.
     I will
     A  A believe it when the new owner steps forward. Until then I will
     stand on
     A  A my conviction that Mecum bought it themselves, with admittedly
     no
     A  A evidence to support that contention.
     A  A Mike
     A  A Sent from my iPhone
     A  A > On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:46, Julian Kift
     [9]<[10]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
     A  A wrote:
     A  A >
     A  A >A  A  Uh, not exactly what you said, but close enough. I'm
     just
     A  A surprised the
     A  A >A  A lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much
     A  A >
     A  A >A  A Julian
     A  A >
     A
     A __________________________________________________________________
     A  A >
     A  A >A  A From: Mike Drew [10]<[11]mikeldrew at aol.com>
     A  A >A  A Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
     A  A >A  A To: Julian Kift [11]<[12]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
     A  A >A  A Cc: De Tomaso Forum
     [12]<[13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     A  A >A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
     A  A >
     A  A >A  A Julian,
     A  A >A  A Uh...that's exactly what I said. An original car is worth
     far more
     A  A than
     A  A >A  A a modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a
     modified one,
     A  A >A  A don't wreck an unmodified one.
     A  A >A  A Mike
     A  A >A  A Sent from my iPad
     A  A >>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift
     [13]<[14]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
     A  A >>A  A wrote:
     A  A >>
     A  A >>A  A Mike,
     A  A >>
     A  A >>A  The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are now
     comprised
     A  A >A  A of a
     A  A >>A  heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no
     appreciation
     A  A >A  A of
     A  A >>A  the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to actually
     drive it,
     A  A >A  A only
     A  A >>A  it's originality and potential for investment growth. By
     that same
     A  A >>A  token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars are
     prepared to
     A  A >>A  shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow body
     A  A >A  A counterparts
     A  A >>A  due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a little
     biased on
     A  A >A  A a
     A  A >>A  very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I think
     it's
     A  A >>A  predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth more
     than a
     A  A >>A  modified one.
     A  A >>
     A  A >>A  Julian
     A  A >>
     A  A >A
     A __________________________________________________________________
     A  A >>
     A  A >>A  From: DeTomaso
     [14]<[15]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
     A  A >A  A of
     A  A >>A  Mike Drew via DeTomaso
     [15]<[16]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     A  A >>A  Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
     A  A >>A  To: De Tomaso Forum [16]<[17]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     A  A >>A  Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
     A  A >>
     A  A >>A  All,
     A  A >>A  There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was
     overlooked in the
     A  A >>A  Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
     A  A >>A  This car:
     A  A >>A
     [1][18][17]https://www.mecum.com/lots/CA0821-481041/1972-detomaso-panter
     a/
     A  A >>A  Sold for $78k.
     A  A >>A  Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people
     were
     A  A >A  A willing
     A  A >>A  to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay
     for a
     A  A >A  A GT5
     A  A >>A  conversion!A  This just highlights what I've said for
     years--if you
     A  A >A  A are
     A  A >>A  considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or
     GT5-S or
     A  A >A  A GT/4
     A  A >>A  configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost
     of the
     A  A >>A  conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in
     value, for
     A  A >A  A an
     A  A >>A  all-in cost of $40-60k.
     A  A >>A  If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself
     and the
     A  A >A  A world
     A  A >>A  a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks
     like a
     A  A >A  A really
     A  A >>A  nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister
     Widebody.
     A  A >A  A And
     A  A >>A  it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger
     (and
     A  A >>A  deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose
     not to hack
     A  A >>A  your car and instead sold it and bought one already done,
     you would
     A  A >>A  likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your
     pocket!
     A  A >>A  Mike
     A  A >>A  Sent from my iPad
     A  A >>
     A  A >> References
     A  A >>
     A  A >>A  1.
     A  A >A
     A [1][19][18]https://www.mecum.com/lots/CA0821-481041/1972-detomaso-pant
     era/
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