[DeTomaso] To Drop or Not to Drop
Steve Lisa
stevelisa at patentit.com
Wed Apr 28 22:22:18 EDT 2021
I should clarify....my son and I are the only drivers, and we drive in the
same pedal/seat/steering config, with a full cage and helmets. We don't
need to adjust the position, other than I add a thin custom foam back pack
since my arms are shorter (although the mounts are adjustable). With a
full cage, I don't see how you escape lowered seats. We love the extra
room.
But, for the occasional helmet use, and with multiple drivers, I would
likely not lower the floor. There are seat options that make daily driving
accommodating, IMHO.
Regards,
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
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On Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 19:07 Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
> To add to what other have stated;
>
> Not all lowered floor pans are the same, the method of lowering
> combined with the chosen seat bears a large influence on the outcome.
>
> The tip back method of adding triangulated portions and a rear section
> simply lowers the back of the seat, but retains the fore-aft seat
> adjustment. Many seats like your C4 Corvette have a raised front
> bolster and don't lend themselves well to this style of pan with added
> rake, I personally then find them awkward and uncomfortable.
>
> A full 4-sided drop pan lowers the seat vertically, but one usually
> loses the fore-aft adjustability. Then with a low seat one's legs are
> outstretched almost on the remaining stock forward stock height floor
> section.
>
> The later GT5 style of lowered floor (despite Mr. Drew's opinion and my
> own opposingly biased one) is the best execution, it offers all options
> of seats to be installed with spacers if required (fore or aft for rake
> adjustment or all 4 for height) and provides for 2" of additional head
> room. This allows for any combination of seat to be installed and
> adjusted to the right (or wrong) height as I can attest to having
> driven my GT5 the 12 hours straight home from Phoenix after purchase,
> it took a week to work that crick out of my neck!
>
> If I had a car in bare metal and wanted to lower floors, I would
> personally go GT5 full floor route, but taht is stock in a GT5 and
> there's a lot to be said for staying stock, especially now you are
> retired and the freshly painted garage queen is probably destined to
> rarely see the light of day until lack of use forces a sale.
>
> Julian
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>
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
> Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 5:32 PM
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; mbefthomas2 at gmail.com
> <mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] To Drop or Not to Drop
>
> I tend to agree with the don't-cut folks. I'm 6'2" and by simply and
> cheaply modifying the stock (early) seat back-rake angle, I always had
> plenty of headroom even when wearing a helmet. Plus, I shared the car
> with a 5'2" wife who obviously did not need a dropped floor, so it
> would have forced us to carry some sort of booster aboard a rather
> small street car. The adjustable-rake seat(s) make getting either of us
> comfortable a few seconds adjustment in either seat- even while on the
> road.
> Cutting the floor often means you lose fore-&-aft seat adjustment for
> pedal position as well. If so, floor mods can complicate the situation
> with multiple drivers & pedal extensions etc. If you're the only
> driver, cut away (just not the floor-stiffening crossmember. The
> Pantera monococque is none too stiff anyway!)
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> To: Mike Thomas <mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>; DeTomaso Mail List
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Wed, Apr 28, 2021 4:39 pm
> Subject: [DeTomaso] To Drop or Not to Drop
> Don't do it!
> From everything you've told us, you don't need to, so don't. If and
> when the time comes that you need to make an adjustment for more
> headroom (e.g. because of a new seat), you can modify it then. And
> frankly, there are less intrusive ways to get more headroom before
> going to dropped floor pans.
> That's my 2-cents, and it's only worth what you paid for it! :)
> -------------- original message --------------
> OK, the forum has been pretty quiet lately so I'll throw this one out
> there.
> Doug Braun and I are both having our cars restored at the same time
> by
> the same guy. Doug has done a dropped floor pan for more clearance
> when he has a helmet on but so far I'm not planning to do a drop.
> Since my car is in bare metal right now and about to go on the
> rotisserie for all of the other metal work, I'm wondering if I should
> reconsider while I have the opportunity. Headroom for me has always
> been just `adequate' and I do have the seat springs removed from the
> bottom cushion of my C4 seats so I'm basically sitting on the floor.
> I
> don't plan to track or autocross the car so don't need helmet
> clearance
> but it would be nice to be able to consider a seat upgrade sometime
> in
> the future if the C4's get old.
> Thoughts . . .
> Thanks, Mike Thomas
> Panteras Northwest
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I should clarify....my son and I are the only drivers, and we drive in
the same pedal/seat/steering config, with a full cage and helmets.A We
don't need to adjust the position, other than I add a thin custom foam
back pack since my arms are shorter (although the mounts are
adjustable).A With a full cage, I don't see how you escape lowered
seats.A We love the extra room.
But, for the occasional helmet use, and with multiple drivers, I would
likely not lower the floor. There are seat options that make daily
driving accommodating, IMHO.
Regards,A
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
Direct:A 480-442-0297
[1]www.PatentIt.com
Scottsdale OfficeA |A P:A 480.535.6656A |A A F:A 480.535.6628A
|A A A:A 7689 East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260
Chicago OfficeA |A P:A 312.752.4357A |A A F:A 312.896.5633A
|A A A:A 55 E. Monroe Street, Suite 3800, Chicago, IL 60603
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you.
A A A
On Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 19:07 Julian Kift <[2]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:
A A To add to what other have stated;
A A Not all lowered floor pans are the same, the method of lowering
A A combined with the chosen seat bears a large influence on the
outcome.
A A The tip back method of adding triangulated portions and a rear
section
A A simply lowers the back of the seat, but retains the fore-aft
seat
A A adjustment. Many seats like your C4 Corvette have a raised
front
A A bolster and don't lend themselves well to this style of pan
with added
A A rake, I personally then find them awkward and uncomfortable.
A A A full 4-sided drop pan lowers the seat vertically, but one
usually
A A loses the fore-aft adjustability. Then with a low seat one's
legs are
A A outstretched almost on the remaining stock forward stock height
floor
A A section.
A A The later GT5 style of lowered floor (despite Mr. Drew's
opinion and my
A A own opposingly biased one) is the best execution, it offers all
options
A A of seats to be installed with spacers if required (fore or aft
for rake
A A adjustment or all 4 for height) and provides for 2" of
additional head
A A room. This allows for any combination of seat to be installed
and
A A adjusted to the right (or wrong) height as I can attest to
having
A A driven my GT5 the 12 hours straight home from Phoenix after
purchase,
A A it took a week to work that crick out of my neck!
A A If I had a car in bare metal and wanted to lower floors, I
would
A A personally go GT5 full floor route, but taht is stock in a GT5
and
A A there's a lot to be said for staying stock, especially now you
are
A A retired and the freshly painted garage queen is probably
destined to
A A rarely see the light of day until lack of use forces a sale.
A A Julian
A A
A __________________________________________________________________
A A From: DeTomaso <[3]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf of
A A Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso <[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 5:32 PM
A A To: [5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
A A <[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; [7]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com
A A <[8]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] To Drop or Not to Drop
A A I tend to agree with the don't-cut folks. I'm 6'2" and by
simply and
A A cheaply modifying the stock (early) seat back-rake angle, I
always had
A A plenty of headroom even when wearing a helmet. Plus, I shared
the car
A A with a 5'2" wife who obviously did not need a dropped floor, so
it
A A would have forced us to carry some sort of booster aboard a
rather
A A small street car. The adjustable-rake seat(s) make getting
either of us
A A comfortable a few seconds adjustment in either seat- even while
on the
A A road.
A A Cutting the floor often means you lose fore-&-aft seat
adjustment for
A A pedal position as well. If so, floor mods can complicate the
situation
A A with multiple drivers & pedal extensions etc. If you're the
only
A A driver, cut away (just not the floor-stiffening crossmember.
The
A A Pantera monococque is none too stiff anyway!)
A A -----Original Message-----
A A From: Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso
<[9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A To: Mike Thomas <[10]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>; DeTomaso Mail List
A A <[11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Sent: Wed, Apr 28, 2021 4:39 pm
A A Subject: [DeTomaso] To Drop or Not to Drop
A A A Don't do it!
A A A From everything you've told us, you don't need to, so
don't.A If and
A A A when the time comes that you need to make an adjustment for
more
A A A headroom (e.g. because of a new seat), you can modify it
then.A And
A A A frankly, there are less intrusive ways to get more headroom
before
A A A going to dropped floor pans.
A A A That's my 2-cents, and it's only worth what you paid for
it!A :)
A A -------------- original message --------------
A A A OK, the forum has been pretty quiet lately so I'll throw
this one out
A A A there.
A A A Doug Braun and I are both having our cars restored at the
same time
A A by
A A A the same guy.A Doug has done a dropped floor pan for more
clearance
A A A when he has a helmet on but so far I'm not planning to do a
drop.
A A A Since my car is in bare metal right now and about to go on
the
A A A rotisserie for all of the other metal work, I'm wondering if
I should
A A A reconsider while I have the opportunity.A Headroom for me
has always
A A A been just `adequate' and I do have the seat springs removed
from the
A A A bottom cushion of my C4 seats so I'm basically sitting on
the floor.
A A I
A A A don't plan to track or autocross the car so don't need
helmet
A A clearance
A A A but it would be nice to be able to consider a seat upgrade
sometime
A A in
A A A the future if the C4's get old.
A A A Thoughts . . .
A A A Thanks, Mike Thomas
A A A Panteras Northwest
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