[DeTomaso] Shelby GT5-S on Discovery Driven - SPOILER ALERT
Mike Drew
MikeLDrew at aol.com
Tue Mar 31 12:54:24 EDT 2020
Ah yes, there it is!
I failed to note that when they were running the engine on the engine stand it had a conventional intake with the carb sitting on top, but when they implemented the turbo setup, the carb moved well aft and the intercooler replaced it atop the engine.
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Also, here is a screen grab from the junkyard clearly showing the ZF alongside the engine:
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Mike
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> On Mar 31, 2020, at 09:38, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> ? Mike,
>
> Yeah, I missed the air filter sat right there front and center, duh!
> Note the carb is sat back almost over the bell housing and not
> connected to the intake manifold, the turbos draw through the carb and
> then blow into the intake manifold via the intercooler.
>
> Julian
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 9:17 AM
> To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Shelby GT5-S on Discovery Driven - SPOILER
> ALERT
>
> Julian,
> No, the air intake is through the air cleaner sitting on top of the
> carb. It's a draw-through system meaning the turbos suck from below the
> carb instead of pressurizing from above the way a supercharger does.
> But what happens after that is a mystery to me.
> Mike
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Mar 31, 2020, at 08:55, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Mike,
> I looked back at the Bonhams auction photos, you are indeed correct it
> came with a fugly drop tip wing...
> I did not catch the ZF in the junkyard, I will have to re-watch, but
> that news just cements the whole drive train story as even less
> believable now...
> Larry Stock sent me an engine photo he took at SEMA, I resized to just
> under 1MB so hopefully it will get through to the list. Not great
> detail but it looks like the air intake is somewhere down by the
> headers, this is one application where using functional side scoops to
> draw cold air would actually make sense.
> Julian
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 8:39 AM
> To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Shelby GT5-S on Discovery Driven - SPOILER
> ALERT
>
> Julian,
> Didja notice the fact that the ZF was sitting on a pallet next to the
> engine when they `discovered' it? In the junkyard? That makes the
> $7500 seem far more reasonable.
> It wasn't a NASCAR engine as far as I know--just an ordinary Dodge
> motor.
> I find the whole story of the engine being taken to a junkyard two
> hours away and left for 30 years to be very hard to swallow. When I saw
> the car back in 2002, the drivetrain was out of it, but I got the
> impression it was lying around somewhere out of sight.
> Changing the brakes was wholly unnecessary as stock GT5-S brakes are
> terrific (although heavy, but who cares?).
> The car was originally built to Amerisport spec, including the drop-tip
> wing. They just bought a new one from Kirk, which now comes with a
> built-in third brake light. It's an easy mistake to make to assume the
> hole spacing of the studs would be the same (why would it change?), and
> once the goof was discovered, it was easier to change the car to fit
> the part than to change the part to fit the car.
> Shelby had at least one or two other turbo Dodge Panteras, one of which
> is now owned by Paul Donderwinkle in New Zealand (formerly a London
> resident and England's premier De Tomaso service specialist). That one
> is a red Euro GTS. Reportedly Shelby used to keep it on his ranch in
> Texas, which had a runway, and would entertain guests by taking them
> out for high-speed blasts. Driveability of the turbo system was
> probably not great but WOT performance was terrific!
> Mike
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>
> On Mar 31, 2020, at 07:29, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I watched it and the Galpin Auto Sports guys seem to be it bit more
> rational than many of the other 'reality tv' auto shows, although they
> were previously featured on 'pimp my ride' so that should tell us
> something! Yes there were still plenty of scripted cliche's, loosely
> based historical facts and false drama.
> Now, do I believe they called around local junk yards and miraculously
> found the original Shelby test mule engine just sat there on pallet
> under a pristine tarp for 30 years? The $7,500 they paid the old guy
> was probably more like hush money!
> In parts of the show it's all about originality and keeping it the way
> Shelby touched it, "hey we can't rebuild the engine as it wouldn't be
> original any more" "we had the exact shade of Shelby white matched by
> PPG" where they then duly go and bolt up an ugly drop tip delta wing on
> the car just crudely re-drilling the decklid after paint and then go
> one step further and slap on a Wilwood brake kit.
> But I'm sure now it has attained a little more TV fame and has the
> "original" engine back where it is supposed to be it will become the
> 'one of one' most expensive Pantera ever! In what is probably the most
> representative part of the related Shelby history "don't let the truth
> get int he way of a good story"
> Julian
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
> Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 10:44 PM
> To: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Shelby GT5-S on Discovery at 9 pm tonight
>
> Spoiler alert: they didn't destroy the car the way the Gas Monkey
> Garage monkeys did (twice!)
> The finished car looks right. The show had a bunch of stupid scripted
> car shows drama, but in general they seemed to do a good job.
> It uses a draw-through turbo system but I can't figure out how the air
> gets into the engine. It goes through the air cleaner, carb, intake,
> turbo, intercooler...and then a miracle happens. How does it get from
> the intercooler back into the engine?
> They never show the engine clearly so I wasn't able to see.
> Mike
> Sent from my iPad
>> On Mar 30, 2020, at 18:25, Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> Too late for anybody but the west coast guys, but tonight at 9 pm on
> the discovery channel, the show `Driven' is all about the restoration
> of Carroll Shelby's prototype GT5-S Pantera, which was powered from new
> by a turbocharged 340 Dodge!
>>
>> I saw the car many years ago, engineless, languishing at the back of
> Shelby's Goodyear race tire distributorship in Gardena, CA. At the time
> it had almost no miles on it, and was basically brand new, with the
> engine bay hacked up to accommodate the Dodge engine. It sold at
> auction last year.
>>
>> It should be interesting to see its restoration. I hope they can
> avoid all the stupid car restoration show drama and just do a good
> job.....
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
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