[DeTomaso] Ouch. Bad press.
Pantdino
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Mon Jun 1 17:45:52 EDT 2020
Re the Testarossa- The steel studs holding the aluminum heads to the block seize to the heads so it is impossible to repair the motor. And they are not available, obviously. Also, I believe it shares the transaxle with the earlier car. The case cracks and the transaxle is junk. Also not available, obviously.
Jim
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He's also pretty far off on Vipers.
How about this: Most vipers are not driven, so the wheel bearings go out (rust, etc.), brake fluid corrodes, head gaskets and timing chain cover gaskets fail, and cost 4 figures to repair. Nobody makes replacement windshields, door gaskets, headlights. The head gaskets on Gen-1s used to be $1,000 for the set.
Oh - and in stock trim, they get 20 mpg, so what's up with the fuel costs concern? Our mini Cooper gets low 20s.
Don’t get me wrong. I love my Gen-2, almost as much as I love my Pantera. I just think he's way off on the description of Viper ownership.
He's also way off on Testarossas. I drove a 512 TR once, and loved it. Yes, the maintenance is high, but it's well worth it. It's certainly not in the "avoid at all costs" bucket. It should be in the "buy it if you can afford maintenance" bucket.
On 5/31/20, 10:37 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Pantdino via DeTomaso" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Didn't even spend the time to find out what these many things are that
supposedly go wrong.
A disgrace to journalism
Jim
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The worst article ever !!!!
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Re the Testarossa- The steel studs holding the aluminum heads to the
block seize to the heads so it is impossible to repair the motor. And
they are not available, obviously. Also, I believe it shares the
transaxle with the earlier car. The case cracks and the transaxle is
junk. Also not available, obviously.
Jim
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To: Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>; tipo874a at msn.com <tipo874a at msn.com>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Sun, May 31, 2020 8:01 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ouch. Bad press.
He's also pretty far off on Vipers.
How about this: Most vipers are not driven, so the wheel bearings go
out (rust, etc.), brake fluid corrodes, head gaskets and timing chain
cover gaskets fail, and cost 4 figures to repair. Nobody makes
replacement windshields, door gaskets, headlights. The head gaskets on
Gen-1s used to be $1,000 for the set.
Oh - and in stock trim, they get 20 mpg, so what's up with the fuel
costs concern? Our mini Cooper gets low 20s.
Donat get me wrong. I love my Gen-2, almost as much as I love my
Pantera. I just think he's way off on the description of Viper
ownership.
He's also way off on Testarossas. I drove a 512 TR once, and loved
it. Yes, the maintenance is high, but it's well worth it. It's
certainly not in the "avoid at all costs" bucket. It should be in the
"buy it if you can afford maintenance" bucket.
i>>?On 5/31/20, 10:37 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Pantdino via DeTomaso"
<[1]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
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Didn't even spend the time to find out what these many things are
that
supposedly go wrong.
A disgrace to journalism
Jim
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ouch. Bad press.
The worst article ever !!!!
Leslie A. Gray
> On May 31, 2020, at 3:54 PM, Rob DuMoulin
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