[DeTomaso] Seatbelts
Steve Lisa
stevelisa at patentit.com
Thu Feb 27 11:36:05 EST 2020
My two cents: Julian is absolutely right.
In addition to our racecars, we have several "track day" cars. My son is a
technical inspector for NASA, and both he and I have instructed. 90% of
the "track day" people have their race harnesses installed incorrectly, and
even my Dodge Viper ACR "track day" car has the cutouts in the seat and
harness bar too high and it fails to hold you down in the seat. They are
so high that they render a HANS device useless. So, even though the ACR
comes from Dodge with both the three point system and full harnesses, we
prefer the three point belts and adjust them tightly if all we are doing is
a track day. NASA allows you use the three point system during their TT
competition events - indeed mandates it if your harness bar is not designed
strictly in accordance with the rules.
That said, a properly designed and placed harness bar with a well-matched
seat is safer. But, you need to make sure it is designed correctly and
worn properly.
Regards,
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
*The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC*
Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
Direct: 480-442-0297
www.PatentIt.com <http://www.patentit.com/>
*Scottsdale Office* | *P*: 480.535.6656 | *F:* 480.535.6628 | *A:* 7689
East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260
*Chicago Office *|* P:* 312.752.4357 | *F:* 312.896.5633 | *A:* 55 E.
Monroe Street, Suite 3800, Chicago, IL 60603
This email is intended only for the recipient above and may contain
confidential and privileged information. If you received this email in
error please destroy it and indicate such by return email to me. Thank you.
On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 9:00 AM Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Corey,
>
> Be sure to get a 5 or 6 point harness and not settle fora 4 point that
> doesn't have the submarine belt. Anchoring for a 5 point isn't ideal in
> the Pantera and much easier if you have a seat with the cut out for the
> submarine belt.
>
> I switched from 5 point back to a simple 3 point stock style seat belt
> last summer and really happy with my choice. My reasons were 1.) I'm
> long legged and with the 5 point harness properly adjusted I could not
> reach the ignition switch 2. It's a PITA if you take different
> passengers frequently to constantly adjust the harness 3.) Unless you
> seat is relatively low back or has the cutouts for shoulder belts the
> harness bar does not place the shoulder straps in a great position,
> especially if they have to 'wrap' around the outside edge of the seat.
> 4.) Most everyday folks do not adjust a harness properly to be any real
> effect in an accident, it really does need to be cinched down to the
> point your body movements are restricted. 5). The harness bar really
> needs additional intermediate anchoring over the the two bolts at the
> ends to be safe.
>
> I would assess your track use frequency and consider installing the
> harness bar and appropriate seat for each track event and use a street
> system for the street.
>
> Julian
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
> Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 11:52 AM
> To: Corey Price <coreyjprice at gmail.com>
> Cc: Detomaso List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Seatbelts
>
> Corey,
> If you want regular seat belts, these:
> [1]http://hallpantera.com/cgi-bin/p/awtp-product.cgi?d=hallpantera-inc&
> item=21249
> Otherwise get one of these:
> [2]http://hallpantera.com/cgi-bin/p/awtp-product.cgi?d=hallpantera-inc&
> item=21449
> And five-point harnesses from Summit or some racer supply house.
> I have used five-point harnesses for work and play all my adult life so
> they are second nature to me. But I can't argue against the simplicity
> of stock-style three-point belts.....
> Mike
> Sent from my iPad
> > On Feb 26, 2020, at 11:42, Corey Price <coreyjprice at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I don't have seatbelts currently. I have Recaro seats and I plan to
> take the Pantera to the track occasionally, but mostly drive it on the
> street. I'm looking for seatbelt recommendations.
> >
> > Corey
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> >
> > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
> > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
> > DeTomaso mailing list
> > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > [3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> >
> > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.)
> use the links above.
> >
> > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward
> any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the
> list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive
> or approve the archiving of list messages.
>
> References
>
> 1.
> http://hallpantera.com/cgi-bin/p/awtp-product.cgi?d=hallpantera-inc&item=21249
> 2.
> http://hallpantera.com/cgi-bin/p/awtp-product.cgi?d=hallpantera-inc&item=21449
> 3. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> _______________________________________________
>
>
> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
> DeTomaso mailing list
> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use
> the links above.
>
> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any
> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list.
> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve
> the archiving of list messages.
-------------- next part --------------
My two cents:A Julian is absolutely right.A A
In addition to our racecars, we have severalA "track day" cars.A My
son is a technical inspector for NASA, and both he and I have
instructed.A 90% of theA "track day" people have their race harnesses
installed incorrectly, and even my Dodge Viper ACR "track day" car has
the cutoutsA in the seat and harness bar too high and it fails to hold
you down in the seat.A They are so high that they render a HANS device
useless.A So, even though the ACR comes from Dodge with both the three
point system and full harnesses, we prefer the three pointA belts and
adjust them tightly if all we are doing is a track day.A A NASA allows
you use the three point system during their TT competition events -
indeed mandates it if your harness bar is not designed strictly in
accordance with the rules.A
That said, a properly designed and placed harness bar with a
well-matched seat is safer.A But, you need to make sure it is designed
correctly and worn properly.A A
Regards,A
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
Direct: 480-442-0297
[1]www.PatentIt.com
Scottsdale OfficeA |A P:A 480.535.6656A |A A F:A 480.535.6628A
|A A A:A 7689 East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260
Chicago OfficeA |A P: 312.752.4357A |A F: 312.896.5633A |A A: 55 E.
Monroe Street, Suite 3800, Chicago, IL 60603
This email is intended only for the recipient above and may contain
confidential and privileged information. If you received this email in
error please destroy it and indicate such by return email to me. Thank
you.
On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 9:00 AM Julian Kift
<[2]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
A A Corey,
A A Be sure to get a 5 or 6 point harness and not settle fora 4
point that
A A doesn't have the submarine belt. Anchoring for a 5 point isn't
ideal in
A A the Pantera and much easier if you have a seat with the cut out
for the
A A submarine belt.
A A I switched from 5 point back to a simple 3 point stock style
seat belt
A A last summer and really happy with my choice. My reasons were
1.) I'm
A A long legged and with the 5 point harness properly adjusted I
could not
A A reach the ignition switch 2. It's a PITA if you take different
A A passengers frequently to constantly adjust the harness 3.)
Unless you
A A seat is relatively low back or has the cutouts for shoulder
belts the
A A harness bar does not place the shoulder straps in a great
position,
A A especially if they have to 'wrap' around the outside edge of
the seat.
A A 4.) Most everyday folks do not adjust a harness properly to be
any real
A A effect in an accident, it really does need to be cinched down
to the
A A point your body movements are restricted. 5). The harness bar
really
A A needs additional intermediate anchoring over the the two bolts
at the
A A ends to be safe.
A A I would assess your track use frequency and consider installing
the
A A harness bar and appropriate seat for each track event and use a
street
A A system for the street.
A A Julian
A A
A __________________________________________________________________
A A From: DeTomaso <[3]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf of
A A Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 11:52 AM
A A To: Corey Price <[5]coreyjprice at gmail.com>
A A Cc: Detomaso List <[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Seatbelts
A A Corey,
A A If you want regular seat belts, these:
A
A [1][7]http://hallpantera.com/cgi-bin/p/awtp-product.cgi?d=hallpant
era-inc&
A A item=21249
A A Otherwise get one of these:
A
A [2][8]http://hallpantera.com/cgi-bin/p/awtp-product.cgi?d=hallpant
era-inc&
A A item=21449
A A And five-point harnesses from Summit or some racer supply
house.
A A I have used five-point harnesses for work and play all my adult
life so
A A they are second nature to me. But I can't argue against the
simplicity
A A of stock-style three-point belts.....
A A Mike
A A Sent from my iPad
A A > On Feb 26, 2020, at 11:42, Corey Price
<[9]coreyjprice at gmail.com> wrote:
A A >
A A > I don't have seatbelts currently. I have Recaro seats and I
plan to
A A take the Pantera to the track occasionally, but mostly drive it
on the
A A street. I'm looking for seatbelt recommendations.
A A >
A A > Corey
A A > _______________________________________________
A A >
A A >
A A > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
A A > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
A A > DeTomaso mailing list
A A > [10]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
A A >
[3][11]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
A A >
A A > To manage your subscription (change email address,
unsubscribe, etc.)
A A use the links above.
A A >
A A > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to
forward
A A any message posted here to all past, current, or future members
of the
A A list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an
archive
A A or approve the archiving of list messages.
References
A A 1.
[12]http://hallpantera.com/cgi-bin/p/awtp-product.cgi?d=hallpantera-
inc&item=21249
A A 2.
[13]http://hallpantera.com/cgi-bin/p/awtp-product.cgi?d=hallpantera-
inc&item=21449
A A 3. [14]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
_______________________________________________
Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
DeTomaso mailing list
[15]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
[16]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
etc.) use the links above.
Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward
any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of
the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an
archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
References
1. http://www.patentit.com/
2. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
3. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
4. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
5. mailto:coreyjprice at gmail.com
6. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
7. http://hallpantera.com/cgi-bin/p/awtp-product.cgi?d=hallpantera-inc&
8. http://hallpantera.com/cgi-bin/p/awtp-product.cgi?d=hallpantera-inc&
9. mailto:coreyjprice at gmail.com
10. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
11. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
12. http://hallpantera.com/cgi-bin/p/awtp-product.cgi?d=hallpantera-inc&item=21249
13. http://hallpantera.com/cgi-bin/p/awtp-product.cgi?d=hallpantera-inc&item=21449
14. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
15. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
16. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
More information about the DeTomaso
mailing list