[DeTomaso] CV half shaft conversion - opinions
Scott Bell
scott at saccrestorations.net
Mon Feb 24 16:18:30 EST 2020
We actually have TWO ZF output shafts available. One that is a long version
and one that is a short version. The short version put the flange in the
EXACT same spot as a stock output shaft so you would need a longer axle as
most people have already pointed out. For folks that do not want to loose
the investment that they have already purchased with an adaptor style kit,
we also have a longer version of the output shaft that will work with
shorter axles.
BUT, to be honest, the slight difference in axle length doesn't really make
any difference in the real world. Everyone talks about theory but many
people don't talk about the real world. The axle length doesn't really make
much difference since the axle runs almost completely horizontal in the real
world. Both lengths will work equally well.
Scott
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] CV half shaft conversion - opinions
Larry,
You would think that the CV shafts would need to be longer without the
adapters but ,in the case of SACC parts, you would be wrong. When the axle
flanges were produced, Scott designed them to use the same axle length and
made the mating surface of the flanges the same distance from the
trans/wheel hub centerline as the stock flanges with the CV adapters bolted
on.
So , to answer your question, YES. You can use the same length CV axles with
or without the adapters. ( On the SACC parts
anyway) I am not aware of anyone else doing it this way. It is not ideal
IMHO ( the longer the axle is, the less angle there is on the CV joint ) but
that's the way it is.
Ron McCall
>
>
> Are the CV shafts the same for either installation application? i.e.;
> If I got a set to run now with the adapter style flanges, could I later on
> install the CV specific ZF flanges and reuse the same shafts and other
> appurtenances?
> Are there CV specific flanges for the wheel end also?
> Thanks.
>
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> Thank you
>
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> > > On Feb 23, 2020, at 12:53, Mike Drew <
> mikeldrew at aol.com mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Ed,
> >
> > >
> > > The website shows all. There are options. You can use
> bolt-in adapters, or replace the ZF output flanges with CV flanges, which
> is the superior option.
> >
> > >
> > > Mike
> >
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPad
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> > > >> On Feb 23, 2020, at 10:40, Ed Mendez < edducati at mac.com
> > mailto:edducati at mac.com > wrote:
> >>
> >> How difficult is the install?
> >>
> >> Do you have to replace the output shafts on the ZF? Or is this the
> kit that you do not...
> >>
> >> Thanks, Ed
> >>
> >>>> On Feb 23, 2020, at 12:29 PM, Steve Lisa < stevelisa at patentit.com
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> >>>> A A I would appreciate any opinions on this half shaft
> conversion:
> >>>> A
> >>> A [1][4]
> https://www.saccrestorations.net/pantera-ultimate-high-perf-
> >>> cv-axle-
> >>>> A A shaft-kit/
> >>>> A A Dick Koch - Atlanta
> >>>>
> >>>> References
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> >>> [5]
> https://www.saccrestorations.net/pantera-ultimate-high-perf-cv-ax
> >>> le-shaft-kit/
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> Are the CV shafts the same for either installation application? i.e.;
> If I got a set to run now with the adapter style flanges, could I
> later
> on install the CV specific ZF flanges and reuse the same shafts and
> other appurtenances?
>
> Are there CV specific flanges for the wheel end also?
>
> Thanks.
> __________________________________________________________________
>
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>
> Thank you
> Sent from my iPhone 11 Pro Max
> > On Feb 23, 2020, at 12:53, Mike Drew < mikeldrew at aol.com
> mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com > wrote:
> >
> > Ed,
> >
> > The website shows all. There are options. You can use bolt-in
> adapters, or replace the ZF output flanges with CV flanges, which is
> the superior option.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >> On Feb 23, 2020, at 10:40, Ed Mendez < edducati at mac.com
> mailto:edducati at mac.com > wrote:
> >>
> >> How difficult is the install?
> >>
> >> Do you have to replace the output shafts on the ZF? Or is this the
> kit that you do not...
> >>
> >> Thanks, Ed
> >>
> >>>> On Feb 23, 2020, at 12:29 PM, Steve Lisa < stevelisa at patentit.com
> mailto:stevelisa at patentit.com >
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ....pun intended.A It made me chuckle.A
> >>> Regards,A
> >>> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
> >>> The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
> >>> Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA mailto:SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
> >>> Direct: 480-442-0297
> >>> [1]www.PatentIt.com
> >>> Scottsdale OfficeA |A P:A 480.535.6656A |A A F:A 480.535.6628A
> >>> |A A A:A 7689 East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260
> >>>
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> 55 E.
> >>> Monroe Street, Suite 3800, Chicago, IL 60603
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> >>> I don't have them on my car, but have had several sets pass
> through
> >>> my hands. They seem exquisitely well-made and the people who
> >>> received them are universally pleased.
> >>> Mike
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>> On Feb 23, 2020, at 07:36, Dick Koch <[3] redcatman74 at gmail.com
> mailto:redcatman74 at gmail.com >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> A A I would appreciate any opinions on this half shaft
> conversion:
> >>>> A
> >>> A
> [1][4] https://www.saccrestorations.net/pantera-ultimate-high-perf-
> >>> cv-axle-
> >>>> A A shaft-kit/
> >>>> A A Dick Koch - Atlanta
> >>>>
> >>>> References
> >>>>
> >>>> A A 1.
> >>>
> [5] https://www.saccrestorations.net/pantera-ultimate-high-perf-cv-ax
> >>> le-shaft-kit/
> >>>> <Screenshot_20200223-102307_Gmail.jpg>
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