[DeTomaso] CV half shaft conversion - opinions
Ken Green
kenn_green at yahoo.com
Mon Feb 24 15:51:38 EST 2020
Ron,
Are the outboard adapters twice the thickness for the kit used with a ZF having 930 CV stub axles?
Ken
On Monday, February 24, 2020, 12:14:38 PM PST, FAITH MCCALL <rfmccall at comcast.net> wrote:
Larry,
You would think that the CV shafts would need to be longer without the
adapters but ,in the case of SACC parts, you would
be wrong. When the axle flanges were produced, Scott designed them to
use the same axle length and made the mating surface
of the flanges the same distance from the trans/wheel hub centerline as
the stock flanges with the CV adapters bolted on.
So , to answer your question, YES. You can use the same length CV axles
with or without the adapters. ( On the SACC parts
anyway) I am not aware of anyone else doing it this way. It is not
ideal IMHO ( the longer the axle is, the less angle there is on the
CV joint ) but that's the way it is.
Ron McCall
Are the CV shafts the same for either installation application? i.e.;
If I got a set to run now with the adapter style flanges, could I later
on install the CV specific ZF flanges and reuse the same shafts and
other appurtenances?
Are there CV specific flanges for the wheel end also?
Thanks.
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] CV half shaft conversion - opinions
Thank you
Sent from my iPhone 11 Pro Max
On Feb 23, 2020, at 12:53, Mike Drew < [7]mikeldrew at aol.com> wrote:
Ed,
The website shows all. There are options. You can use bolt-in adapters,
or replace the ZF output flanges with CV flanges, which is the superior
option.
Mike
Sent from my iPad
>> On Feb 23, 2020, at 10:40, Ed Mendez < [8]edducati at mac.com> wrote:
>>
>> How difficult is the install?
>>
>> Do you have to replace the output shafts on the ZF? Or is this the
kit that you do not...
>>
>> Thanks, Ed
>>
>>>> On Feb 23, 2020, at 12:29 PM, Steve Lisa <
[9]stevelisa at patentit.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ....pun intended.A It made me chuckle.A
>>> Regards,A
>>> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
>>> The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
>>> Email: [10]SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
>>> Direct: 480-442-0297
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>>>
>>> I don't have them on my car, but have had several sets pass through
>>> my hands. They seem exquisitely well-made and the people who
>>> received them are universally pleased.
>>> Mike
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> On Feb 23, 2020, at 07:36, Dick Koch <[3]
[12]redcatman74 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> A A I would appreciate any opinions on this half shaft conversion:
>>>> A
>>> A [1][4]
[13]https://www.saccrestorations.net/pantera-ultimate-high-perf-
>>> cv-axle-
>>>> A A shaft-kit/
>>>> A A Dick Koch - Atlanta
>>>>
>>>> References
>>>>
>>>> A A 1.
>>> [5]
[14]https://www.saccrestorations.net/pantera-ultimate-high-perf-cv-ax
>>> le-shaft-kit/
>>>> <Screenshot_20200223-102307_Gmail.jpg>
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Are the CV shafts the same for either installation application? i.e.;
If I got a set to run now with the adapter style flanges, could I later
on install the CV specific ZF flanges and reuse the same shafts and
other appurtenances?
Are there CV specific flanges for the wheel end also?
Thanks.
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] CV half shaft conversion - opinions
Thank you
Sent from my iPhone 11 Pro Max
> On Feb 23, 2020, at 12:53, Mike Drew < [38]mikeldrew at aol.com> wrote:
>
> Ed,
>
> The website shows all. There are options. You can use bolt-in
adapters, or replace the ZF output flanges with CV flanges, which is
the superior option.
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Feb 23, 2020, at 10:40, Ed Mendez < [39]edducati at mac.com> wrote:
>>
>> How difficult is the install?
>>
>> Do you have to replace the output shafts on the ZF? Or is this the
kit that you do not...
>>
>> Thanks, Ed
>>
>>>> On Feb 23, 2020, at 12:29 PM, Steve Lisa <
[40]stevelisa at patentit.com>
wrote:
>>>
>>> ....pun intended.A It made me chuckle.A
>>> Regards,A
>>> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
>>> The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
>>> Email: [41]SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
>>> Direct: 480-442-0297
>>> [1]www.PatentIt.com
>>> Scottsdale OfficeA |A P:A 480.535.6656A |A A F:A 480.535.6628A
>>> |A A A:A 7689 East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260
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>>> On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 11:02 AM Mike Drew via DeTomaso
>>> <[2] [42]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't have them on my car, but have had several sets pass
through
>>> my hands. They seem exquisitely well-made and the people who
>>> received them are universally pleased.
>>> Mike
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> On Feb 23, 2020, at 07:36, Dick Koch <[3]
[43]redcatman74 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> A A I would appreciate any opinions on this half shaft
conversion:
>>>> A
>>> A
[1][4] [44]https://www.saccrestorations.net/pantera-ultimate-high-perf-
>>> cv-axle-
>>>> A A shaft-kit/
>>>> A A Dick Koch - Atlanta
>>>>
>>>> References
>>>>
>>>> A A 1.
>>>
[5]
[45]https://www.saccrestorations.net/pantera-ultimate-high-perf-cv-ax
>>> le-shaft-kit/
>>>> <Screenshot_20200223-102307_Gmail.jpg>
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Ron,
Are the outboard adapters twice the thickness for the kit used with
a ZF having 930 CV stub axles?
Ken
On Monday, February 24, 2020, 12:14:38 PM PST, FAITH MCCALL
<rfmccall at comcast.net> wrote:
Larry,
You would think that the CV shafts would need to be longer without
the
adapters but ,in the case of SACC parts, you would
be wrong. When the axle flanges were produced, Scott designed them
to
use the same axle length and made the mating surface
of the flanges the same distance from the trans/wheel hub centerline
as
the stock flanges with the CV adapters bolted on.
So , to answer your question, YES. You can use the same length CV
axles
with or without the adapters. ( On the SACC parts
anyway) I am not aware of anyone else doing it this way. It is not
ideal IMHO ( the longer the axle is, the less angle there is on the
CV joint ) but that's the way it is.
Ron McCall
Are the CV shafts the same for either installation application? i.e.;
If I got a set to run now with the adapter style flanges, could I
later
on install the CV specific ZF flanges and reuse the same shafts and
other appurtenances?
Are there CV specific flanges for the wheel end also?
Thanks.
________________________________
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] CV half shaft conversion - opinions
Thank you
Sent from my iPhone 11 Pro Max
On Feb 23, 2020, at 12:53, Mike Drew < [7][7]mikeldrew at aol.com>
wrote:
Ed,
The website shows all. There are options. You can use bolt-in
adapters,
or replace the ZF output flanges with CV flanges, which is the
superior
option.
Mike
Sent from my iPad
>> On Feb 23, 2020, at 10:40, Ed Mendez < [8][8]edducati at mac.com>
wrote:
>>
>> How difficult is the install?
>>
>> Do you have to replace the output shafts on the ZF? Or is this the
kit that you do not...
>>
>> Thanks, Ed
>>
>>>> On Feb 23, 2020, at 12:29 PM, Steve Lisa <
[9][9]stevelisa at patentit.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ....pun intended.A It made me chuckle.A
>>> Regards,A
>>> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
>>> The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
>>> Email: [10][10]SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
>>> Direct: 480-442-0297
>>> [1]www.PatentIt.com
>>> Scottsdale OfficeA |A P:A 480.535.6656A |A A F:A 480.535.6628A
>>> |A A A:A 7689 East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260
>>>
>>> Chicago OfficeA |A P: 312.752.4357A |A F: 312.896.5633A |A A: 55
E.
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>>> On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 11:02 AM Mike Drew via DeTomaso
>>> <[2] [11][11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't have them on my car, but have had several sets pass
through
>>> my hands. They seem exquisitely well-made and the people who
>>> received them are universally pleased.
>>> Mike
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> On Feb 23, 2020, at 07:36, Dick Koch <[3]
[12][12]redcatman74 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> A A I would appreciate any opinions on this half shaft
conversion:
>>>> A
>>> A [1][4]
[13][13]https://www.saccrestorations.net/pantera-ultimate-high-perf-
>>> cv-axle-
>>>> A A shaft-kit/
>>>> A A Dick Koch - Atlanta
>>>>
>>>> References
>>>>
>>>> A A 1.
>>> [5]
[14][14]https://www.saccrestorations.net/pantera-ultimate-high-perf-cv-
ax
>>> le-shaft-kit/
>>>> <Screenshot_20200223-102307_Gmail.jpg>
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Are the CV shafts the same for either installation application? i.e.;
If I got a set to run now with the adapter style flanges, could I
later
on install the CV specific ZF flanges and reuse the same shafts and
other appurtenances?
Are there CV specific flanges for the wheel end also?
Thanks.
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] CV half shaft conversion - opinions
Thank you
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> On Feb 23, 2020, at 12:53, Mike Drew < [38][38]mikeldrew at aol.com>
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> Ed,
>
> The website shows all. There are options. You can use bolt-in
adapters, or replace the ZF output flanges with CV flanges, which is
the superior option.
>
> Mike
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> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Feb 23, 2020, at 10:40, Ed Mendez < [39][39]edducati at mac.com>
wrote:
>>
>> How difficult is the install?
>>
>> Do you have to replace the output shafts on the ZF? Or is this the
kit that you do not...
>>
>> Thanks, Ed
>>
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>>> I don't have them on my car, but have had several sets pass
through
>>> my hands. They seem exquisitely well-made and the people who
>>> received them are universally pleased.
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>>>> On Feb 23, 2020, at 07:36, Dick Koch <[3]
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>>>> A A I would appreciate any opinions on this half shaft
conversion:
>>>> A
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