[DeTomaso] Installing early front bumpers on smooth nose Pantera
Mike Drew
MikeLDrew at aol.com
Fri Mar 15 22:21:03 EDT 2019
Ken,
Why are you putting square 1971 bumpers on your 1973 car? The round edge bumpers are more plentiful and cheaper. I would trade away the ones you have and get the right ones if possible?
Mike
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> On Mar 15, 2019, at 19:00, Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> This is what I have, captive nuts in slots, with a C10 LED parking/turn signal that is nearly a perfect fit:
>
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> On Friday, March 15, 2019, 11:39:58 AM PDT, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
>
> Ken,
>
>
> The 1972 bumpers have simple studs.
>
>
>
>
> The bumpers rest solidly against the body (they have rubber trim that protects the paint). Washers and nuts secure them on the inside. Actually I think a batter technique is to thread nuts and fender washers onto the studs, which can then positively locate the bumper against the body, and then second nuts secure them from the inside.
>
> Actually, looking at the parts book, it suggests that 71 bumpers have captive nuts and are secured with bolts? I didn’t remember that detail.
>
> Always learning.....
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Mar 15, 2019, at 11:15, Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> >
> > I'm not looking at the bumpers at the moment, but I think there are
> > captive nuts? I can just thread the studs into the nuts and tighten
> > other nuts against them?
> > I think the captive nuts are in vertical slots so they slope and be
> > adjusted?
> > Is this how you like the bumpers (my 73 has nearly identical paint):
> > Inline image
>
> >
> > On Friday, March 15, 2019, 11:06:09 AM PDT, Garth Rodericks
> > <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Ken,
> > How are the studs affixed to the bumpers? Welded/brazed on, or merely
> > threaded into the bumper? Can you double nut the studs and remove
> > them?
> > If you an remove the studs you'd be able to place the bumpers directly
> > against the car in the exact position you want them and trace their
> > outline onto the car with a pencil (or grease pencil). Then you could
> > measure the location of the studs on the back of the bumper from the
> > outside edges, and transfer the measurements to your outline on the
> > body. Then you can see exactly where to drill with confidence that the
> > bumpers will sit exactly where you want them to sit, not a best guess
> > from holding them standing several inches off the body due to the
> > mounting studs.
> > If the studs cannot be easily removed, another idea is merely put a dab
> > of grease on the end of each stud, hold the bumper up to the car in the
> > desired position (albeit standing off so the studs do not touch the
> > body), then move the bumper straight back to gently touch the studs to
> > the bumper and leave a grease spot exactly where you need to drill.
> > After that, use a center punch to make your indents to drill. That
> > way, there's no risk of sharpened studs sliding and scratching the
> > paint when you whack the bumper with a mallet.
> > And whatever you do, set the bumpers level like they're supposed to be.
> > Do NOT angle them - nothing looks dumber on a Pantera than when the
> > bumpers are angled - unless of course your going for an anime cartoon
> > racecar look (see attached pics). One of the dumbest things I've seen
> > on a Pantera. I've attached a couple pic of what they should look like,
> > along with the only color God and Alejandro DeTomaso intended for a
> > Pantera. :)
> > Cheers!
> > Garth
> > #4033
>
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Ken,
Why are you putting square 1971 bumpers on your 1973 car? The round
edge bumpers are more plentiful and cheaper. I would trade away the
ones you have and get the right ones if possible?
Mike
Sent from my iPad
On Mar 15, 2019, at 19:00, Ken Green <[1]kenn_green at yahoo.com> wrote:
This is what I have, captive nuts in slots, with a C10 LED parking/turn
signal that is nearly a perfect fit:
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On Friday, March 15, 2019, 11:39:58 AM PDT, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
<[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Ken,
The 1972 bumpers have simple studs.
The bumpers rest solidly against the body (they have rubber trim that
protects the paint). Washers and nuts secure them on the inside.
Actually I think a batter technique is to thread nuts and fender
washers onto the studs, which can then positively locate the bumper
against the body, and then second nuts secure them from the inside.
Actually, looking at the parts book, it suggests that 71 bumpers have
captive nuts and are secured with bolts? I didn't remember that detail.
Always learning.....
Mike
Sent from my iPad
> On Mar 15, 2019, at 11:15, Ken Green via DeTomaso
<[3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> I'm not looking at the bumpers at the moment, but I think there are
> captive nuts? I can just thread the studs into the nuts and tighten
> other nuts against them?
> I think the captive nuts are in vertical slots so they slope and be
> adjusted?
> Is this how you like the bumpers (my 73 has nearly identical paint):
> Inline image
>
> On Friday, March 15, 2019, 11:06:09 AM PDT, Garth Rodericks
> <[4]garth_rodericks at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Ken,
> How are the studs affixed to the bumpers? Welded/brazed on, or
merely
> threaded into the bumper? Can you double nut the studs and remove
> them?
> If you an remove the studs you'd be able to place the bumpers
directly
> against the car in the exact position you want them and trace their
> outline onto the car with a pencil (or grease pencil). Then you
could
> measure the location of the studs on the back of the bumper from the
> outside edges, and transfer the measurements to your outline on the
> body. Then you can see exactly where to drill with confidence that
the
> bumpers will sit exactly where you want them to sit, not a best
guess
> from holding them standing several inches off the body due to the
> mounting studs.
> If the studs cannot be easily removed, another idea is merely put a
dab
> of grease on the end of each stud, hold the bumper up to the car in
the
> desired position (albeit standing off so the studs do not touch the
> body), then move the bumper straight back to gently touch the studs
to
> the bumper and leave a grease spot exactly where you need to drill.
> After that, use a center punch to make your indents to drill. That
> way, there's no risk of sharpened studs sliding and scratching the
> paint when you whack the bumper with a mallet.
> And whatever you do, set the bumpers level like they're supposed to
be.
> Do NOT angle them - nothing looks dumber on a Pantera than when the
> bumpers are angled - unless of course your going for an anime
cartoon
> racecar look (see attached pics). One of the dumbest things I've
seen
> on a Pantera. I've attached a couple pic of what they should look
like,
> along with the only color God and Alejandro DeTomaso intended for a
> Pantera. :)
> Cheers!
> Garth
> #4033
> <early front-3.jpg>
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