[DeTomaso] Installing early front bumpers on smooth nose Pantera
Ken Green
kenn_green at yahoo.com
Sat Mar 16 21:08:22 EDT 2019
Mike,
I was able to mount the LEDs with a little metal bending, and would be reluctant to recommend that someone try return them to the original condition. They are ready to mount, and I don't want to take any steps backwards and start over with other bumpers.
I also kinda like the square ends.
Ken
On Friday, March 15, 2019, 7:21:22 PM PDT, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Ken,
Why are you putting square 1971 bumpers on your 1973 car? The round
edge bumpers are more plentiful and cheaper. I would trade away the
ones you have and get the right ones if possible?
Mike
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On Mar 15, 2019, at 19:00, Ken Green <[1]kenn_green at yahoo.com> wrote:
This is what I have, captive nuts in slots, with a C10 LED parking/turn
signal that is nearly a perfect fit:
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On Friday, March 15, 2019, 11:39:58 AM PDT, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
<[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Ken,
The 1972 bumpers have simple studs.
The bumpers rest solidly against the body (they have rubber trim that
protects the paint). Washers and nuts secure them on the inside.
Actually I think a batter technique is to thread nuts and fender
washers onto the studs, which can then positively locate the bumper
against the body, and then second nuts secure them from the inside.
Actually, looking at the parts book, it suggests that 71 bumpers have
captive nuts and are secured with bolts? I didn't remember that detail.
Always learning.....
Mike
Sent from my iPad
> On Mar 15, 2019, at 11:15, Ken Green via DeTomaso
<[3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> I'm not looking at the bumpers at the moment, but I think there are
> captive nuts? I can just thread the studs into the nuts and tighten
> other nuts against them?
> I think the captive nuts are in vertical slots so they slope and be
> adjusted?
> Is this how you like the bumpers (my 73 has nearly identical paint):
> Inline image
>
> On Friday, March 15, 2019, 11:06:09 AM PDT, Garth Rodericks
> <[4]garth_rodericks at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Ken,
> How are the studs affixed to the bumpers? Welded/brazed on, or
merely
> threaded into the bumper? Can you double nut the studs and remove
> them?
> If you an remove the studs you'd be able to place the bumpers
directly
> against the car in the exact position you want them and trace their
> outline onto the car with a pencil (or grease pencil). Then you
could
> measure the location of the studs on the back of the bumper from the
> outside edges, and transfer the measurements to your outline on the
> body. Then you can see exactly where to drill with confidence that
the
> bumpers will sit exactly where you want them to sit, not a best
guess
> from holding them standing several inches off the body due to the
> mounting studs.
> If the studs cannot be easily removed, another idea is merely put a
dab
> of grease on the end of each stud, hold the bumper up to the car in
the
> desired position (albeit standing off so the studs do not touch the
> body), then move the bumper straight back to gently touch the studs
to
> the bumper and leave a grease spot exactly where you need to drill.
> After that, use a center punch to make your indents to drill. That
> way, there's no risk of sharpened studs sliding and scratching the
> paint when you whack the bumper with a mallet.
> And whatever you do, set the bumpers level like they're supposed to
be.
> Do NOT angle them - nothing looks dumber on a Pantera than when the
> bumpers are angled - unless of course your going for an anime
cartoon
> racecar look (see attached pics). One of the dumbest things I've
seen
> on a Pantera. I've attached a couple pic of what they should look
like,
> along with the only color God and Alejandro DeTomaso intended for a
> Pantera. :)
> Cheers!
> Garth
> #4033
> <early front-3.jpg>
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Mike,
I was able to mount the LEDs with a little metal bending, and
would be reluctant to recommend that someone try return them to the
original condition. They are ready to mount, and I don't want to take
any steps backwards and start over with other bumpers.
I also kinda like the square ends.
Ken
On Friday, March 15, 2019, 7:21:22 PM PDT, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Ken,
Why are you putting square 1971 bumpers on your 1973 car? The round
edge bumpers are more plentiful and cheaper. I would trade away the
ones you have and get the right ones if possible?
Mike
Sent from my iPad
On Mar 15, 2019, at 19:00, Ken Green <[1][1]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
wrote:
This is what I have, captive nuts in slots, with a C10 LED
parking/turn
signal that is nearly a perfect fit:
<P1020181.JPG>
<P1020182.JPG>
On Friday, March 15, 2019, 11:39:58 AM PDT, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
<[2][2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Ken,
The 1972 bumpers have simple studs.
The bumpers rest solidly against the body (they have rubber trim that
protects the paint). Washers and nuts secure them on the inside.
Actually I think a batter technique is to thread nuts and fender
washers onto the studs, which can then positively locate the bumper
against the body, and then second nuts secure them from the inside.
Actually, looking at the parts book, it suggests that 71 bumpers have
captive nuts and are secured with bolts? I didn't remember that
detail.
Always learning.....
Mike
Sent from my iPad
> On Mar 15, 2019, at 11:15, Ken Green via DeTomaso
<[3][3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> I'm not looking at the bumpers at the moment, but I think there
are
> captive nuts? I can just thread the studs into the nuts and
tighten
> other nuts against them?
> I think the captive nuts are in vertical slots so they slope and
be
> adjusted?
> Is this how you like the bumpers (my 73 has nearly identical
paint):
> Inline image
>
> On Friday, March 15, 2019, 11:06:09 AM PDT, Garth Rodericks
> <[4][4]garth_rodericks at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Ken,
> How are the studs affixed to the bumpers? Welded/brazed on, or
merely
> threaded into the bumper? Can you double nut the studs and remove
> them?
> If you an remove the studs you'd be able to place the bumpers
directly
> against the car in the exact position you want them and trace
their
> outline onto the car with a pencil (or grease pencil). Then you
could
> measure the location of the studs on the back of the bumper from
the
> outside edges, and transfer the measurements to your outline on
the
> body. Then you can see exactly where to drill with confidence that
the
> bumpers will sit exactly where you want them to sit, not a best
guess
> from holding them standing several inches off the body due to the
> mounting studs.
> If the studs cannot be easily removed, another idea is merely put
a
dab
> of grease on the end of each stud, hold the bumper up to the car
in
the
> desired position (albeit standing off so the studs do not touch
the
> body), then move the bumper straight back to gently touch the
studs
to
> the bumper and leave a grease spot exactly where you need to
drill.
> After that, use a center punch to make your indents to drill.
That
> way, there's no risk of sharpened studs sliding and scratching the
> paint when you whack the bumper with a mallet.
> And whatever you do, set the bumpers level like they're supposed
to
be.
> Do NOT angle them - nothing looks dumber on a Pantera than when
the
> bumpers are angled - unless of course your going for an anime
cartoon
> racecar look (see attached pics). One of the dumbest things I've
seen
> on a Pantera. I've attached a couple pic of what they should look
like,
> along with the only color God and Alejandro DeTomaso intended for
a
> Pantera. :)
> Cheers!
> Garth
> #4033
> <early front-3.jpg>
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