[DeTomaso] Changing Steering Wheels
Jack Donahue
demongusta at gmail.com
Thu Jan 24 10:46:22 EST 2019
Well written - thank you for that
> On Jan 24, 2019, at 7:37 AM, Steve <steve at snclocks.com> wrote:
>
> Good morning Mike!
>
>
> The whole steering wheel pcd thing is confusing. OK - pcd - pitch
> circle diameter. Here is a simple table for some of the popular
> wheels:
>
>
> Maker
>
> Holes
>
> Pitch Circle Diam
>
> Nardi
>
> 6
>
> 74 mm
>
> Momo
>
> 6
>
> 70 mm
>
> Moto-Lita
>
> 9
>
> 101.6 mm (4 inch)
>
> LeCarra
>
> 9
>
> 101 (4 inch)
>
>
> Before anyone points out the obvious, I am sure there are exceptions.
> Take our Daytona Coupe - it uses the same screw mounting that the
> original Cobra used - which is not evenly spaced.
>
>
> It turns out that lots of adapters are available for going from 70 to
> 74 mm pcd, or going the other way. And, wow, Nardi offers a specific
> hub for the Pantera - their part number 4302.14.1512 - which also fits
> a '69 to '72 Capri. Makes that part easier. Looking at quick
> releases, many are drilled for either the 70 or the 74 pcd. This might
> be easier than I thought, but, yes, as you point out, not cheap. But,
> since when is price the issue with our cars???
>
>
> Honestly, every part of our Pantera is critical and needs to be in good
> shape, properly installed and working properly. I looked up removable
> steering wheel fails - forums suggest it comes down to operator error.
> Which is why I do my best to do all of the work on our cars myself - I
> don't want to rely on someone else to not make a mistake. It's also
> why I am very careful on test drives - gads, what mistakes lurk
> within???
>
>
> Why a removable wheel? Getting under the dash is a pain. And the
> wheel on 5332 is more of a pain to remove than any of our other cars.
> And, I suspect I will need some form of a spacer with the Nardi hub.
> But, as mentioned before, every one of us gets to modify our cars to
> fit our desires!!!
>
>
> [cid:image002.jpg at 01D4B3B7.A4C8B0F0]
>
>
> Stephen
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Drew [mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 11:01 AM
> To: Steve <steve at snclocks.com>
> Cc: Garth Rodericks <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>; DeTomaso Mail List
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Changing Steering Wheels
>
>
> Steve,
>
>
> $727 for a steering wheel????
>
>
> Nardi wheels use a unique bolt pattern (PCD) and its next to impossible
> to find a hub for them.
>
>
> What you want is a Momo wheel. The Prototipo is the factory wheel De
> Tomaso used on the Euro GTS, GT5, GT5-S and is a classic 70s design
> that is perfect for the car. If you want a more modern, flashy wheel,
> Momo offers those too.
>
>
> Pantera parts dealers offer fixed and removable hubs for Momo wheels.
> Personally I would not waste time with a removable hub. Other than for
> a morbidly obese owner who can't get in and out of the car otherwise
> (and there are some of those), they are pretty pointless, and can be
> dangerous when they fail.
>
>
> I had one fail on me while driving a customized GT5 conversion in San
> Francisco. I came to an intersection and turned right and the car
> zoomed straight ahead. Fortunately I didn't hit anything. We were able
> to take it apart and put it back together in the middle of the
> intersection and then carried on.
>
>
> You only need to have that happen once before you decide you don't like
> them!
>
>
> Full disclosure--Lori's car came with one and although I bought a fixed
> replacement I haven't changed it out yet. Hers has worked fine for
> years because we never remove the wheel.
>
>
> Mike
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>> On Jan 23, 2019, at 10:34, Steve <[1]steve at snclocks.com> wrote:
>
>>
>
>> Good morning Garth. Good question that. I've been thinking
> steering
>
>> wheels ever since, about a year ago, I replaced the wheel in my '69
> XKE
>
>> with one that is a little smaller in diameter and a bit heavier -
> the
>
>> change in that car was amazing - from the flexible response of a
> tiller
>
>> on a boat (OK - one got used to it, but gads, there is a lot of
> flex in
>
>> the originals) to a crisp response. I was concerned it wouldn't
> look
>
>> right - but it is fine - and changes the way the car drives.
>
>> Significantly. For the better. Besides, a friend who I have
> guided
>
>> for 30 years on his XKE gave it to me!
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> So, then, gave some thought to our Daytona Coupe. It came with a
>
>> Mota-Lita leather-rimmed wheel. Right - what came on those cars
>
>> originally - either leather, or wood, with rivets. I've chosen to
>
>> replace the damaged leather-rimmed wheel with one of the riveted
> wheels
>
>> that match what came originally on a Cobra. Like the Cobra, what
> the
>
>> heck is a Coupe - a European exotic - no, or, well, likely an
> American
>
>> hot-rod - or, not really. I think this wheel will look appropriate
> -
>
>> given the use on the Cobra's and on a few of the Coupes.
>
>>
>
>>
> [1][2]https://www.moto-lita.co.uk/steering-wheels/ac-cobra-wood-rim-oem
> /
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Which brings me to the Pantera. So, what is a Pantera? An
> American
>
>> hot rod - well, perhaps. Or an Italian supercar - well, perhaps.
> I
>
>> agree that a wheel like the one above would look totally out of
> place.
>
>> But, a Nardi wood-rim? They fit Ferrarrits and Lampos and Maesers
> and
>
>> the like. But, really, the interior does not really fit that style
> -
>
>> though I'd argue it could. No, the wheel I am considering is this
> one
>
>> -
>
>>
> [2][3]http://www.mrsteeringwheel.com/nardi-kallista-wood-leather-350mm-
> 505
>
>> 5-35-3000/ It brings a touch of Italian flare without over powering
> the
>
>> otherwise black interior. The challenge I have is the Lecarra
> looks
>
>> like it would fit perfectly on a go-cart. OK, there are those that
>
>> could argue that a point and squirt as potent as a Pantera could be
>
>> considered a go-cart. It's got the first part down pat. But, I
> guess
>
>> I am looking for something that speaks to my interpretation of the
> car
>
>> - a European supercar with the best possible combination of
> suspension,
>
>> engine and looks.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> And, well, I sort of know good and well that many of you will
> disagree
>
>> - heck, I thought the back window in the sugar scoop was a great
> idea
>
>> for keeping the engine clean and keeping folks hands out of the
> engine
>
>> compartment - but, I haven't heard of anyone else jumping on that
>
>> band-wagon. So, well, thank god each of us gets to play with our
> cars
>
>> as we think fit!
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> And, besides, Kelly says I can have it! What better logic?
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Stephen
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> From: Garth Rodericks [[4]mailto:garth_rodericks at yahoo.com]
>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 9:52 AM
>
>> To: DeTomaso Mail List <[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>;
>
>> [6]steve at snclocks.com
>
>> Subject: Changing Steering Wheels
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Hi Steve,
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Why would you want to put a Nardi steering wheel in your Pantera?
> A
>
>> wood rimmed Nardi just looks out of place in a Pantera in my
> opinion.
>
>> The LeCarra wheel you have looks period correct and perfectly
> suited to
>
>> the Pantera's interior.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
> [3][7]https://photos.smugmug.com/TheRestofourWorld/Autos/1973-Pantera-D
> eto
>
>> maso-5332/i-ZTmSp7z/0/c5405c5e/M/5332%2005%2031%202015%2021-M.jpg
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Just my 2-cents. Post a pic of the wheel you want to add.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Cheers!
>
>>
>
>> Garth
>
>>
>
>> References
>
>>
>
>> 1.
> [8]https://www.moto-lita.co.uk/steering-wheels/ac-cobra-wood-rim-oem/
>
>> 2.
> [9]http://www.mrsteeringwheel.com/nardi-kallista-wood-leather-350mm-505
> 5-35-3000/
>
>> 3.
>
>>
> [10]https://photos.smugmug.com/TheRestofourWorld/Autos/1973-Pantera-Det
> oma
>
>> so-5332/i-ZTmSp7z/0/c5405c5e/M/5332%2005%2031%202015%2021-M.jpg
>
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> 1. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
> 2. https://www.moto-lita.co.uk/steering-wheels/ac-cobra-wood-rim-oem/
> 3. http://www.mrsteeringwheel.com/nardi-kallista-wood-leather-350mm-505
> 4. mailto:garth_rodericks at yahoo.com
> 5. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 6. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
> 7. https://photos.smugmug.com/TheRestofourWorld/Autos/1973-Pantera-Deto
> 8. https://www.moto-lita.co.uk/steering-wheels/ac-cobra-wood-rim-oem/
> 9. http://www.mrsteeringwheel.com/nardi-kallista-wood-leather-350mm-5055-35-3000/
> 10. https://photos.smugmug.com/TheRestofourWorld/Autos/1973-Pantera-Detoma
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Well written - thank you for that
On Jan 24, 2019, at 7:37 AM, Steve <[1]steve at snclocks.com> wrote:
Good morning Mike!
The whole steering wheel pcd thing is confusing. OK - pcd - pitch
circle diameter. Here is a simple table for some of the popular
wheels:
Maker
Holes
Pitch Circle Diam
Nardi
6
74 mm
Momo
6
70 mm
Moto-Lita
9
101.6 mm (4 inch)
LeCarra
9
101 (4 inch)
Before anyone points out the obvious, I am sure there are exceptions.
Take our Daytona Coupe - it uses the same screw mounting that the
original Cobra used - which is not evenly spaced.
It turns out that lots of adapters are available for going from 70 to
74 mm pcd, or going the other way. And, wow, Nardi offers a specific
hub for the Pantera - their part number 4302.14.1512 - which also
fits
a '69 to '72 Capri. Makes that part easier. Looking at quick
releases, many are drilled for either the 70 or the 74 pcd. This
might
be easier than I thought, but, yes, as you point out, not cheap.
But,
since when is price the issue with our cars???
Honestly, every part of our Pantera is critical and needs to be in
good
shape, properly installed and working properly. I looked up
removable
steering wheel fails - forums suggest it comes down to operator
error.
Which is why I do my best to do all of the work on our cars myself -
I
don't want to rely on someone else to not make a mistake. It's also
why I am very careful on test drives - gads, what mistakes lurk
within???
Why a removable wheel? Getting under the dash is a pain. And the
wheel on 5332 is more of a pain to remove than any of our other cars.
And, I suspect I will need some form of a spacer with the Nardi hub.
But, as mentioned before, every one of us gets to modify our cars to
fit our desires!!!
[[2]cid:image002.jpg at 01D4B3B7.A4C8B0F0]
Stephen
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Drew [[3]mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 11:01 AM
To: Steve <[4]steve at snclocks.com>
Cc: Garth Rodericks <[5]garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>; DeTomaso Mail
List
<[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Changing Steering Wheels
Steve,
$727 for a steering wheel????
Nardi wheels use a unique bolt pattern (PCD) and its next to
impossible
to find a hub for them.
What you want is a Momo wheel. The Prototipo is the factory wheel De
Tomaso used on the Euro GTS, GT5, GT5-S and is a classic 70s design
that is perfect for the car. If you want a more modern, flashy wheel,
Momo offers those too.
Pantera parts dealers offer fixed and removable hubs for Momo wheels.
Personally I would not waste time with a removable hub. Other than
for
a morbidly obese owner who can't get in and out of the car otherwise
(and there are some of those), they are pretty pointless, and can be
dangerous when they fail.
I had one fail on me while driving a customized GT5 conversion in San
Francisco. I came to an intersection and turned right and the car
zoomed straight ahead. Fortunately I didn't hit anything. We were
able
to take it apart and put it back together in the middle of the
intersection and then carried on.
You only need to have that happen once before you decide you don't
like
them!
Full disclosure--Lori's car came with one and although I bought a
fixed
replacement I haven't changed it out yet. Hers has worked fine for
years because we never remove the wheel.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 23, 2019, at 10:34, Steve <[1][7]steve at snclocks.com> wrote:
Good morning Garth. Good question that. I've been thinking
steering
wheels ever since, about a year ago, I replaced the wheel in my '69
XKE
with one that is a little smaller in diameter and a bit heavier -
the
change in that car was amazing - from the flexible response of a
tiller
on a boat (OK - one got used to it, but gads, there is a lot of
flex in
the originals) to a crisp response. I was concerned it wouldn't
look
right - but it is fine - and changes the way the car drives.
Significantly. For the better. Besides, a friend who I have
guided
for 30 years on his XKE gave it to me!
So, then, gave some thought to our Daytona Coupe. It came with a
Mota-Lita leather-rimmed wheel. Right - what came on those cars
originally - either leather, or wood, with rivets. I've chosen to
replace the damaged leather-rimmed wheel with one of the riveted
wheels
that match what came originally on a Cobra. Like the Cobra, what
the
heck is a Coupe - a European exotic - no, or, well, likely an
American
hot-rod - or, not really. I think this wheel will look appropriate
-
given the use on the Cobra's and on a few of the Coupes.
[1][2][8]https://www.moto-lita.co.uk/steering-wheels/ac-cobra-wood-ri
m-oem
/
Which brings me to the Pantera. So, what is a Pantera? An
American
hot rod - well, perhaps. Or an Italian supercar - well, perhaps.
I
agree that a wheel like the one above would look totally out of
place.
But, a Nardi wood-rim? They fit Ferrarrits and Lampos and Maesers
and
the like. But, really, the interior does not really fit that style
-
though I'd argue it could. No, the wheel I am considering is this
one
-
[2][3][9]http://www.mrsteeringwheel.com/nardi-kallista-wood-leather-3
50mm-
505
5-35-3000/ It brings a touch of Italian flare without over powering
the
otherwise black interior. The challenge I have is the Lecarra
looks
like it would fit perfectly on a go-cart. OK, there are those that
could argue that a point and squirt as potent as a Pantera could be
considered a go-cart. It's got the first part down pat. But, I
guess
I am looking for something that speaks to my interpretation of the
car
- a European supercar with the best possible combination of
suspension,
engine and looks.
And, well, I sort of know good and well that many of you will
disagree
- heck, I thought the back window in the sugar scoop was a great
idea
for keeping the engine clean and keeping folks hands out of the
engine
compartment - but, I haven't heard of anyone else jumping on that
band-wagon. So, well, thank god each of us gets to play with our
cars
as we think fit!
And, besides, Kelly says I can have it! What better logic?
Stephen
From: Garth Rodericks [[4][10]mailto:garth_rodericks at yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 9:52 AM
To: DeTomaso Mail List <[5][11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>;
[6][12]steve at snclocks.com
Subject: Changing Steering Wheels
Hi Steve,
Why would you want to put a Nardi steering wheel in your Pantera?
A
wood rimmed Nardi just looks out of place in a Pantera in my
opinion.
The LeCarra wheel you have looks period correct and perfectly
suited to
the Pantera's interior.
[3][7][13]https://photos.smugmug.com/TheRestofourWorld/Autos/1973-Pan
tera-D
eto
maso-5332/i-ZTmSp7z/0/c5405c5e/M/5332%2005%2031%202015%2021-M.jpg
Just my 2-cents. Post a pic of the wheel you want to add.
Cheers!
Garth
References
1.
[8][14]https://www.moto-lita.co.uk/steering-wheels/ac-cobra-wood-rim-
oem/
2.
[9][15]http://www.mrsteeringwheel.com/nardi-kallista-wood-leather-350
mm-505
5-35-3000/
3.
[10][16]https://photos.smugmug.com/TheRestofourWorld/Autos/1973-Pante
ra-Det
oma
so-5332/i-ZTmSp7z/0/c5405c5e/M/5332%2005%2031%202015%2021-M.jpg
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2.
[20]https://www.moto-lita.co.uk/steering-wheels/ac-cobra-wood-rim-oem/
3.
[21]http://www.mrsteeringwheel.com/nardi-kallista-wood-leather-350mm-50
5
4. [22]mailto:garth_rodericks at yahoo.com
5. [23]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
6. [24]mailto:steve at snclocks.com
7.
[25]https://photos.smugmug.com/TheRestofourWorld/Autos/1973-Pantera-Det
o
8.
[26]https://www.moto-lita.co.uk/steering-wheels/ac-cobra-wood-rim-oem/
9.
[27]http://www.mrsteeringwheel.com/nardi-kallista-wood-leather-350mm-50
55-35-3000/
10.
[28]https://photos.smugmug.com/TheRestofourWorld/Autos/1973-Pantera-Det
oma
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3. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
4. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
5. mailto:garth_rodericks at yahoo.com
6. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
7. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
8. https://www.moto-lita.co.uk/steering-wheels/ac-cobra-wood-rim-oem
9. http://www.mrsteeringwheel.com/nardi-kallista-wood-leather-350mm-
10. mailto:garth_rodericks at yahoo.com
11. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
12. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
13. https://photos.smugmug.com/TheRestofourWorld/Autos/1973-Pantera-D
14. https://www.moto-lita.co.uk/steering-wheels/ac-cobra-wood-rim-oem/
15. http://www.mrsteeringwheel.com/nardi-kallista-wood-leather-350mm-505
16. https://photos.smugmug.com/TheRestofourWorld/Autos/1973-Pantera-Det
17. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
18. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
19. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
20. https://www.moto-lita.co.uk/steering-wheels/ac-cobra-wood-rim-oem/
21. http://www.mrsteeringwheel.com/nardi-kallista-wood-leather-350mm-505
22. mailto:garth_rodericks at yahoo.com
23. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
24. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
25. https://photos.smugmug.com/TheRestofourWorld/Autos/1973-Pantera-Deto
26. https://www.moto-lita.co.uk/steering-wheels/ac-cobra-wood-rim-oem/
27. http://www.mrsteeringwheel.com/nardi-kallista-wood-leather-350mm-5055-35-3000/
28. https://photos.smugmug.com/TheRestofourWorld/Autos/1973-Pantera-Detoma
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