[DeTomaso] Oil cooler question

Jeff Kimball jgkrenton at comcast.net
Tue Sep 11 20:15:34 EDT 2018 

Jack:


I've had the Laminova unit in the car for several years now.  It's just not capable of keeping up with the heat generated by two oil cooled turbos when the turbos are worked fairly hard.


The turbos generate massive amounts of heat in the oil, far more than a normally aspirated car would do.


Thanks.


Jeff 2467

> On September 11, 2018 at 11:30 AM jderyke at aol.com wrote:
> 
>     Jeff, if you really think your engine needs an oil cooler, consider the Laminova air-to-water unit. It is tubular and can be inserted into one of the undercar water lines by shortening one tube, replacing the removed section with the Laminova under the floor. It's take-off ends fit stock Gates Green Stripe hoses. Both D. Quella and I think the Laminova and the Fluidyne are equivalent in oil cooling (Ouella is a dealer) but the Laminova can be disassembled for cleaning while the Fluidyne is a welded, one-piece assembly that can never come apart.
> 
>     In the event of an engine problem (or even running a bronze distributor gear for awhile), metal will accumulate inside any oil cooler. Some metal always comes out at inopportune times in a new motor's bearings, which is why welded one-piece coolers are seen for sale cheap at swap meets. I also recommend an oil thermostat so as to not over-cool oil on a mostly-street car. Pegasus Racing sells two types. The oil lines should be at least dash-8.
> 
>     FWIW- J DeRyke
>     (who's had his Laminova mounted since 2002 and Quella's racer even longer, both with no problems)
> 
> 
> 
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: Jeff Kimball <jgkrenton at comcast.net>
>     To: detomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
>     Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2018 10:02 am
>     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil cooler question
> 
>       Ken:
> 
>       Thanks, C&R lists a couple of different sizes but even the big one
>       still seems to have a cooler core smaller than the size of the
>       Fluidyne.  And of course no one publishes any specifications on total
>       heat transfer capability.
> 
>       I know the Dawg has lots of experience here and seems to be convinced
>       the Fluidyne is the only real answer.
> 
>       Still digging!
> 
>       Jeff
> 
>         On September 11, 2018 at 8:59 AM Ken Green < kenn_green at yahoo.com mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com >
>         wrote:
> 
> 
>       The C&R cooler has 1 3/4 water inlet and outlet:
>       [1]C&R Racing Oil to Water Heat Exchanger Coolers 40-00001
>       $ 595.99
> 
> 
> 
>               C&R Racing Oil to Water Heat Exchanger Coolers 40-00001
> 
>       Find C&R Racing Oil to Water Heat Exchanger Coolers 40-00001 and get
>       Free Shipping on Orders Over $99 at Sum...
> 
>         __________________________________________________________________
> 
>       From: Jeff Kimball < jgkrenton at comcast.net mailto:jgkrenton at comcast.net >
>       To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>       Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 7:49 AM
>       Subject: [DeTomaso] Oil cooler question
>         All:
>         I know the oil cooler question has been discussed at great length and
>         the serious racers such as Mad Dog seem to believe the big Fluidyne
>         unit is the preferred solution, which I believe is this unit:
>         [1]
>       [2] https://www.fluidyne.com/product-page/db-30500-water-to-oil-cooler
>         However, I don't recall nor have I been able to find any information
>       on
>         how the water side was plumbed in a Pantera.  This Fluidyne unit has
>         3/4 inch pipe water connections where the smaller Ford Police
>         interceptor units such as this:
>         [2]
>       [3] https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-OEM-Oil-Cooler-For-94-96-Crown-Victoria
> 
>       -Grand-Marquis-Police-Package-ONLY/182538207253?fits=Model%3ACrown+Vict
> 
>       oria%7CMake%3AFord&epid=1930515714&hash=item2a80200015:g:5MQAAOSwkShY-Q
>         rF
>         use a standard radiator hose size water connection and go directly in
>         series with the main radiator lines.
>         How do people plumb in the Fluidyne unit?  The 3/4 inch connections
>       are
>         way too small to be installed in series with the radiator.  Are the
>         heater water lines adequate?
>         Can anyone tell me how this was done or show me a photo or web link
>       for
>         this information?
>         Thanks all!
>         Jeff 2467
>       References
>         1.
>       [4] https://www.fluidyne.com/product-page/db-30500-water-to-oil-cooler
>         2.
>       [5] https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-OEM-Oil-Cooler-For-94-96-Crown-Victoria
>       -Grand-Marquis-Police-Package-ONLY/182538207253?fits=Model%3ACrown+Vict
>       oria%7CMake%3AFord&epid=1930515714&hash=item2a80200015:g:5MQAAOSwkShY-Q
>       rF
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>     References
> 
>       1. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/cir-40-00001?seid=srese1&cm_mmc=pla-google-_-shopping-_-srese1-_-c-r-racing&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIx8zAyaiz3QIVwbXACh3xaA4jEAYYAiABEgIWVvD_BwE https://www.summitracing.com/parts/cir-40-00001?seid=srese1&cm_mmc=pla-google-_-shopping-_-srese1-_-c-r-racing&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIx8zAyaiz3QIVwbXACh3xaA4jEAYYAiABEgIWVvD_BwE
>       2. https://www.fluidyne.com/product-page/db-30500-water-to-oil-cooler
>       3. https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-OEM-Oil-Cooler-For-94-96-Crown-Victoria
>       4. https://www.fluidyne.com/product-page/db-30500-water-to-oil-cooler
>       5. https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-OEM-Oil-Cooler-For-94-96-Crown-Victoria-Grand-Marquis-Police-Package-ONLY/182538207253?fits=Model%3ACrown+Victoria%7CMake%3AFord&epid=1930515714&hash=item2a80200015:g:5MQAAOSwkShY-QrF https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-OEM-Oil-Cooler-For-94-96-Crown-Victoria-Grand-Marquis-Police-Package-ONLY/182538207253?fits=Model%3ACrown+Victoria%7CMake%3AFord&epid=1930515714&hash=item2a80200015:g:5MQAAOSwkShY-QrF
>       6. mailto: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>       7. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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   Jack:

   I've had the Laminova unit in the car for several years now.  It's just
   not capable of keeping up with the heat generated by two oil cooled
   turbos when the turbos are worked fairly hard.

   The turbos generate massive amounts of heat in the oil, far more than a
   normally aspirated car would do.

   Thanks.

   Jeff 2467

     On September 11, 2018 at 11:30 AM jderyke at aol.com wrote:
     Jeff, if you really think your engine needs an oil cooler, consider
     the Laminova air-to-water unit. It is tubular and can be inserted
     into one of the undercar water lines by shortening one tube,
     replacing the removed section with the Laminova under the floor.
     It's take-off ends fit stock Gates Green Stripe hoses. Both D.
     Quella and I think the Laminova and the Fluidyne are equivalent in
     oil cooling (Ouella is a dealer) but the Laminova can be
     disassembled for cleaning while the Fluidyne is a welded, one-piece
     assembly that can never come apart.
     In the event of an engine problem (or even running a bronze
     distributor gear for awhile), metal will accumulate inside any oil
     cooler. Some metal always comes out at inopportune times in a new
     motor's bearings, which is why welded one-piece coolers are seen for
     sale cheap at swap meets. I also recommend an oil thermostat so as
     to not over-cool oil on a mostly-street car. Pegasus Racing sells
     two types. The oil lines should be at least dash-8.
     FWIW- J DeRyke
     (who's had his Laminova mounted since 2002 and Quella's racer even
     longer, both with no problems)

   -----Original Message-----
   From: Jeff Kimball <jgkrenton at comcast.net>
   To: detomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; Ken Green
   <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
   Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2018 10:02 am
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil cooler question
     Ken:
     Thanks, C&R lists a couple of different sizes but even the big one
     still seems to have a cooler core smaller than the size of the
     Fluidyne.  And of course no one publishes any specifications on total
     heat transfer capability.
     I know the Dawg has lots of experience here and seems to be convinced
     the Fluidyne is the only real answer.
     Still digging!
     Jeff
       On September 11, 2018 at 8:59 AM Ken Green <
   [1]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
       wrote:
     The C&R cooler has 1 3/4 water inlet and outlet:
     [1]C&R Racing Oil to Water Heat Exchanger Coolers 40-00001
     $ 595.99
             C&R Racing Oil to Water Heat Exchanger Coolers 40-00001
     Find C&R Racing Oil to Water Heat Exchanger Coolers 40-00001 and get
     Free Shipping on Orders Over $99 at Sum...
       __________________________________________________________________
     From: Jeff Kimball < [2]jgkrenton at comcast.net>
     To: [3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 7:49 AM
     Subject: [DeTomaso] Oil cooler question
       All:
       I know the oil cooler question has been discussed at great length
   and
       the serious racers such as Mad Dog seem to believe the big Fluidyne
       unit is the preferred solution, which I believe is this unit:
       [1]
     [2]
   [4]https://www.fluidyne.com/product-page/db-30500-water-to-oil-cooler
       However, I don't recall nor have I been able to find any
   information
     on
       how the water side was plumbed in a Pantera.  This Fluidyne unit
   has
       3/4 inch pipe water connections where the smaller Ford Police
       interceptor units such as this:
       [2]
     [3]
   [5]https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-OEM-Oil-Cooler-For-94-96-Crown-Victoria

   -Grand-Marquis-Police-Package-ONLY/182538207253?fits=Model%3ACrown+Vict

   oria%7CMake%3AFord&epid=1930515714&hash=item2a80200015:g:5MQAAOSwkShY-Q
       rF
       use a standard radiator hose size water connection and go directly
   in
       series with the main radiator lines.
       How do people plumb in the Fluidyne unit?  The 3/4 inch connections
     are
       way too small to be installed in series with the radiator.  Are the
       heater water lines adequate?
       Can anyone tell me how this was done or show me a photo or web link
     for
       this information?
       Thanks all!
       Jeff 2467
     References
       1.
     [4]
   [6]https://www.fluidyne.com/product-page/db-30500-water-to-oil-cooler
       2.
     [5]
   [7]https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-OEM-Oil-Cooler-For-94-96-Crown-Victoria

   -Grand-Marquis-Police-Package-ONLY/182538207253?fits=Model%3ACrown+Vict

   oria%7CMake%3AFord&epid=1930515714&hash=item2a80200015:g:5MQAAOSwkShY-Q
     rF
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   [10]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/cir-40-00001?seid=srese1&cm_mmc=
   pla-google-_-shopping-_-srese1-_-c-r-racing&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIx8zAyaiz3
   QIVwbXACh3xaA4jEAYYAiABEgIWVvD_BwE
     2.
   [11]https://www.fluidyne.com/product-page/db-30500-water-to-oil-cooler
     3.
   [12]https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-OEM-Oil-Cooler-For-94-96-Crown-Victori
   a
     4.
   [13]https://www.fluidyne.com/product-page/db-30500-water-to-oil-cooler
     5.
   [14]https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-OEM-Oil-Cooler-For-94-96-Crown-Victori
   a-Grand-Marquis-Police-Package-ONLY/182538207253?fits=Model%3ACrown+Vic
   toria%7CMake%3AFord&epid=1930515714&hash=item2a80200015:g:5MQAAOSwkShY-
   QrF
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References

   1. mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com
   2. mailto:jgkrenton at comcast.net
   3. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   4. https://www.fluidyne.com/product-page/db-30500-water-to-oil-cooler
   5. https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-OEM-Oil-Cooler-For-94-96-Crown-Victoria
   6. https://www.fluidyne.com/product-page/db-30500-water-to-oil-cooler
   7. https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-OEM-Oil-Cooler-For-94-96-Crown-Victoria
   8. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   9. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
  10. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/cir-40-00001?seid=srese1&cm_mmc=pla-google-_-shopping-_-srese1-_-c-r-racing&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIx8zAyaiz3QIVwbXACh3xaA4jEAYYAiABEgIWVvD_BwE
  11. https://www.fluidyne.com/product-page/db-30500-water-to-oil-cooler
  12. https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-OEM-Oil-Cooler-For-94-96-Crown-Victoria
  13. https://www.fluidyne.com/product-page/db-30500-water-to-oil-cooler
  14. https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-OEM-Oil-Cooler-For-94-96-Crown-Victoria-Grand-Marquis-Police-Package-ONLY/182538207253?fits=Model%3ACrown+Victoria%7CMake%3AFord&epid=1930515714&hash=item2a80200015:g:5MQAAOSwkShY-QrF
  15. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  16. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
  17. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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