[DeTomaso] Best screws and clip on nuts for the grill???
Ken Green
kenn_green at yahoo.com
Wed May 31 22:02:07 EDT 2017
Need fasteners to re-attach the grill, later version with screws through the grill into the body (versus studs and nuts on the inside).
I assume the originals are metric, but #8 screws look OK, and have the right head diameter. Need to choose between sheet metal screws and 8-32 machine screws, and corresponding clip on nuts. Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Ken
From: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
To: 'Will Kooiman' <will.kooiman at gmail.com>; "'Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.'" <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
Cc: detomaso at detomasolist.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock wheel studs
Dear Will, Larry, Bud and Joe,
Thanks for the info. I knew what a wheel stud looked
like, but I had never seen Larry's picture. At this point, the loose stud
does not spin and does torque down. It only gives straight in and out by
about an eighth of an inch. The other four studs are fine. A shall
monitor the stud.
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
-----Original Message-----
From: Will Kooiman [mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 9:59 PM
To: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.; 'Charles Engles'
Cc: detomaso at detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock wheel studs
Hi Chuck,
The studs can be replaced easily enough. Some of mine pressed out slightly
when I replaced wheel bearings many years ago.
If I recall correctly, they have a shoulder, so the serrations are only
there to prevent them from spinning.
But it might not be the stud. It might be the stub axle.
If you¹re just driving on the street, I wouldn¹t worry about it.
They only real danger is like Joe said, it might be challenging to remove if
it spins the next time you remove a wheel. If you¹re worried about that,
I¹d replace the stub axle.
My forged axles have threaded holes for studs. Me like.
Will.
On 5/29/17, 10:49 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr."
<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
byrdjf at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>My THINKING.
>
>The studs should have an interference press in fit to the hub. The
>area on the studs where the press fit occurs is also seriated. I was
>thinking the serrations, sort of like knurling, allows for a less
>tolerant control of the dimensions, thus an oversized stud could still
>be pressed into the hub with moderate force.
>
>The consequences of pressing in the serrations into the hub causes them
>to indent the inside diameter of the hub's fit. This is a good thing
>in that the "keying" HELPS the press fit from letting the stud turn
>when torquing / removing.
>
>HOWEVER, I would NOT consider the "keying" by itself to be suffice for
>repeated use. Being a little conservative with things mechanical, I
>would
>NOT use a stud that has lost its press fit (like yours).
>
>IF it should spin, think about how are you going to remove the nut! Most
>cases require the nut to be drilled off.
>
>Joe
>
>If my thoughts are incorrect, I don't mind being put back into my place
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>Behalf Of Charles Engles
>Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 22:32 PM
>To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>Subject: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock wheel studs
>
>Dear Forum,
>
>
>
>
>
> While mounting the rear wheels today, I noticed
>that one wheel stud is loose and moves in and out about an eighth of an
>inch.
>It
>does not rotate. The other four studs are tight. The loose stud
>permitted
>normal tightening and torqueing.
>
>
>
> Dumb question: It shouldn't be loose. Is it a
>big
>problem or a small one that can wait for an opportune time for correction?
>
>
>
> Second dumb question: Even though I just
>finished an engine build, I have never dealt with wheel studs. Easy,
>medium or hard task for an amateur?
>
>
>
>
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Need fasteners to re-attach the grill, later version with screws
through the grill into the body (versus studs and nuts on the inside).
I assume the originals are metric, but #8 screws look OK, and have the
right head diameter. Need to choose between sheet metal screws and
8-32 machine screws, and corresponding clip on nuts. Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Ken
__________________________________________________________________
From: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
To: 'Will Kooiman' <will.kooiman at gmail.com>; "'Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.'"
<byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
Cc: detomaso at detomasolist.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock wheel studs
Dear Will, Larry, Bud and Joe,
Thanks for the info. I knew what a wheel stud
looked
like, but I had never seen Larry's picture. At this point, the loose
stud
does not spin and does torque down. It only gives straight in and out
by
about an eighth of an inch. The other four studs are fine. A shall
monitor the stud.
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
-----Original Message-----
From: Will Kooiman [mailto:[1]will.kooiman at gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 9:59 PM
To: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.; 'Charles Engles'
Cc: [2]detomaso at detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock wheel studs
Hi Chuck,
The studs can be replaced easily enough. Some of mine pressed out
slightly
when I replaced wheel bearings many years ago.
If I recall correctly, they have a shoulder, so the serrations are only
there to prevent them from spinning.
But it might not be the stud. It might be the stub axle.
If youA^1re just driving on the street, I wouldnA^1t worry about it.
They only real danger is like Joe said, it might be challenging to
remove if
it spins the next time you remove a wheel. If youA^1re worried about
that,
IA^1d replace the stub axle.
My forged axles have threaded holes for studs. Me like.
Will.
On 5/29/17, 10:49 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr."
<[3]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[4]byrdjf at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>My THINKING.
>
>The studs should have an interference press in fit to the hub. The
>area on the studs where the press fit occurs is also seriated. I was
>thinking the serrations, sort of like knurling, allows for a less
>tolerant control of the dimensions, thus an oversized stud could still
>be pressed into the hub with moderate force.
>
>The consequences of pressing in the serrations into the hub causes
them
>to indent the inside diameter of the hub's fit. This is a good thing
>in that the "keying" HELPS the press fit from letting the stud turn
>when torquing / removing.
>
>HOWEVER, I would NOT consider the "keying" by itself to be suffice for
>repeated use. Being a little conservative with things mechanical, I
>would
>NOT use a stud that has lost its press fit (like yours).
>
>IF it should spin, think about how are you going to remove the nut!
Most
>cases require the nut to be drilled off.
>
>Joe
>
>If my thoughts are incorrect, I don't mind being put back into my
place
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: DeTomaso [mailto:[5]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>Behalf Of Charles Engles
>Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 22:32 PM
>To: [6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>Subject: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock wheel studs
>
>Dear Forum,
>
>
>
>
>
> While mounting the rear wheels today, I noticed
>that one wheel stud is loose and moves in and out about an eighth of
an
>inch.
>It
>does not rotate. The other four studs are tight. The loose stud
>permitted
>normal tightening and torqueing.
>
>
>
> Dumb question: It shouldn't be loose. Is it a
>big
>problem or a small one that can wait for an opportune time for
correction?
>
>
>
> Second dumb question: Even though I just
>finished an engine build, I have never dealt with wheel studs. Easy,
>medium or hard task for an amateur?
>
>
>
>
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
>
>
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>
>
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