[DeTomaso] Best screws and clip on nuts for the grill???
Bill Lewis
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Thu Jun 1 10:23:42 EDT 2017
I'll reply to this for Larry/Ohio
----Larry (where is a comma when you need one) Ohio
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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 5:14 AM
To: Ken Green
Cc: detomaso at detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Best screws and clip on nuts for the grill???
Ken,
Machine screws won't work without using tinnerman nuts, I don't think. The original setup used sheetmetal screws and clips, readily available at Ace hardware....
Mike
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> On May 31, 2017, at 19:02, Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> Need fasteners to re-attach the grill, later version with screws
> through the grill into the body (versus studs and nuts on the inside).
> I assume the originals are metric, but #8 screws look OK, and have the
> right head diameter. Need to choose between sheet metal screws and
> 8-32 machine screws, and corresponding clip on nuts. Any suggestions?
> Thanks,
> Ken
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
> To: 'Will Kooiman' <will.kooiman at gmail.com>; "'Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.'"
> <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
> Cc: detomaso at detomasolist.com
> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 2:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock wheel studs
> Dear Will, Larry, Bud and Joe,
> Thanks for the info. I knew what a wheel stud
> looked
> like, but I had never seen Larry's picture. At this point, the loose
> stud
> does not spin and does torque down. It only gives straight in and out
> by
> about an eighth of an inch. The other four studs are fine. A shall
> monitor the stud.
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Will Kooiman [mailto:[1]will.kooiman at gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 9:59 PM
> To: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.; 'Charles Engles'
> Cc: [2]detomaso at detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock wheel studs
> Hi Chuck,
> The studs can be replaced easily enough. Some of mine pressed out
> slightly
> when I replaced wheel bearings many years ago.
> If I recall correctly, they have a shoulder, so the serrations are only
> there to prevent them from spinning.
> But it might not be the stud. It might be the stub axle.
> If youA^1re just driving on the street, I wouldnA^1t worry about it.
> They only real danger is like Joe said, it might be challenging to
> remove if
> it spins the next time you remove a wheel. If youA^1re worried about
> that,
> IA^1d replace the stub axle.
> My forged axles have threaded holes for studs. Me like.
> Will.
> On 5/29/17, 10:49 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr."
> <[3]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> [4]byrdjf at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>> My THINKING.
>>
>> The studs should have an interference press in fit to the hub. The
>> area on the studs where the press fit occurs is also seriated. I was
>> thinking the serrations, sort of like knurling, allows for a less
>> tolerant control of the dimensions, thus an oversized stud could still
>> be pressed into the hub with moderate force.
>>
>> The consequences of pressing in the serrations into the hub causes
> them
>> to indent the inside diameter of the hub's fit. This is a good thing
>> in that the "keying" HELPS the press fit from letting the stud turn
>> when torquing / removing.
>>
>> HOWEVER, I would NOT consider the "keying" by itself to be suffice for
>> repeated use. Being a little conservative with things mechanical, I
>> would
>> NOT use a stud that has lost its press fit (like yours).
>>
>> IF it should spin, think about how are you going to remove the nut!
> Most
>> cases require the nut to be drilled off.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> If my thoughts are incorrect, I don't mind being put back into my
> place
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[5]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>> Behalf Of Charles Engles
>> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 22:32 PM
>> To: [6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock wheel studs
>>
>> Dear Forum,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> While mounting the rear wheels today, I noticed
>> that one wheel stud is loose and moves in and out about an eighth of
> an
>> inch.
>> It
>> does not rotate. The other four studs are tight. The loose stud
>> permitted
>> normal tightening and torqueing.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dumb question: It shouldn't be loose. Is it a
>> big
>> problem or a small one that can wait for an opportune time for
> correction?
>>
>>
>>
>> Second dumb question: Even though I just
>> finished an engine build, I have never dealt with wheel studs. Easy,
>> medium or hard task for an amateur?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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I'll reply to this for Larry/Ohio
----Larry (where is a comma when you need one) Ohio
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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 5:14 AM
To: Ken Green
Cc: detomaso at detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Best screws and clip on nuts for the grill???
Ken,
Machine screws won't work without using tinnerman nuts, I don't think.
The original setup used sheetmetal screws and clips, readily available
at Ace hardware....
Mike
Sent from my iPad
> On May 31, 2017, at 19:02, Ken Green via DeTomaso
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> Need fasteners to re-attach the grill, later version with screws
> through the grill into the body (versus studs and nuts on the
inside).
> I assume the originals are metric, but #8 screws look OK, and have
the
> right head diameter. Need to choose between sheet metal screws and
> 8-32 machine screws, and corresponding clip on nuts. Any
suggestions?
> Thanks,
> Ken
>
__________________________________________________________________
>
> From: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
> To: 'Will Kooiman' <will.kooiman at gmail.com>; "'Joseph F. Byrd,
Jr.'"
> <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
> Cc: detomaso at detomasolist.com
> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 2:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock wheel studs
> Dear Will, Larry, Bud and Joe,
> Thanks for the info. I knew what a wheel stud
> looked
> like, but I had never seen Larry's picture. At this point, the
loose
> stud
> does not spin and does torque down. It only gives straight in and
out
> by
> about an eighth of an inch. The other four studs are fine. A
shall
> monitor the stud.
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Will Kooiman [[1]mailto:[1]will.kooiman at gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 9:59 PM
> To: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.; 'Charles Engles'
> Cc: [2]detomaso at detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock wheel studs
> Hi Chuck,
> The studs can be replaced easily enough. Some of mine pressed out
> slightly
> when I replaced wheel bearings many years ago.
> If I recall correctly, they have a shoulder, so the serrations are
only
> there to prevent them from spinning.
> But it might not be the stud. It might be the stub axle.
> If youA^1re just driving on the street, I wouldnA^1t worry about
it.
> They only real danger is like Joe said, it might be challenging to
> remove if
> it spins the next time you remove a wheel. If youA^1re worried
about
> that,
> IA^1d replace the stub axle.
> My forged axles have threaded holes for studs. Me like.
> Will.
> On 5/29/17, 10:49 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr."
> <[3]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> [4]byrdjf at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>> My THINKING.
>>
>> The studs should have an interference press in fit to the hub. The
>> area on the studs where the press fit occurs is also seriated. I
was
>> thinking the serrations, sort of like knurling, allows for a less
>> tolerant control of the dimensions, thus an oversized stud could
still
>> be pressed into the hub with moderate force.
>>
>> The consequences of pressing in the serrations into the hub causes
> them
>> to indent the inside diameter of the hub's fit. This is a good
thing
>> in that the "keying" HELPS the press fit from letting the stud turn
>> when torquing / removing.
>>
>> HOWEVER, I would NOT consider the "keying" by itself to be suffice
for
>> repeated use. Being a little conservative with things mechanical, I
>> would
>> NOT use a stud that has lost its press fit (like yours).
>>
>> IF it should spin, think about how are you going to remove the nut!
> Most
>> cases require the nut to be drilled off.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> If my thoughts are incorrect, I don't mind being put back into my
> place
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
[[2]mailto:[5]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>> Behalf Of Charles Engles
>> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 22:32 PM
>> To: [6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock wheel studs
>>
>> Dear Forum,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> While mounting the rear wheels today, I noticed
>> that one wheel stud is loose and moves in and out about an eighth of
> an
>> inch.
>> It
>> does not rotate. The other four studs are tight. The loose stud
>> permitted
>> normal tightening and torqueing.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dumb question: It shouldn't be loose. Is it a
>> big
>> problem or a small one that can wait for an opportune time for
> correction?
>>
>>
>>
>> Second dumb question: Even though I just
>> finished an engine build, I have never dealt with wheel studs.
Easy,
>> medium or hard task for an amateur?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>>
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