[DeTomaso] Best screws and clip on nuts for the grill???

Thu Jun 1 01:14:48 EDT 2017

Ken,

Machine screws won't work without using tinnerman nuts, I don't think. The original setup used sheetmetal screws and clips, readily available at Ace hardware....

Mike

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> On May 31, 2017, at 19:02, Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> 
>   Need fasteners to re-attach the grill, later version with screws
>   through the grill into the body (versus studs and nuts on the inside).
>   I assume the originals are metric, but #8 screws look OK, and have the
>   right head diameter.  Need to choose between sheet metal screws and
>   8-32 machine screws, and corresponding clip on nuts.  Any suggestions?
>   Thanks,
>   Ken
>     __________________________________________________________________
> 
>   From: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
>   To: 'Will Kooiman' <will.kooiman at gmail.com>; "'Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.'"
>   <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
>   Cc: detomaso at detomasolist.com
>   Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 2:19 PM
>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock wheel studs
>   Dear Will, Larry, Bud and Joe,
>                       Thanks for the info.  I knew what a wheel stud
>   looked
>   like, but I had never seen Larry's picture.    At this point, the loose
>   stud
>   does not spin and does torque down.  It only gives straight in and out
>   by
>   about an eighth of an inch.  The other four studs are fine.  A shall
>   monitor the stud.
>                                     Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Will Kooiman [mailto:[1]will.kooiman at gmail.com]
>   Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 9:59 PM
>   To: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.; 'Charles Engles'
>   Cc: [2]detomaso at detomasolist.com
>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock wheel studs
>   Hi Chuck,
>   The studs can be replaced easily enough.  Some of mine pressed out
>   slightly
>   when I replaced wheel bearings many years ago.
>   If I recall correctly, they have a shoulder, so the serrations are only
>   there to prevent them from spinning.
>   But it might not be the stud.  It might be the stub axle.
>   If youA^1re just driving on the street, I wouldnA^1t worry about it.
>   They only real danger is like Joe said, it might be challenging to
>   remove if
>   it spins the next time you remove a wheel.  If youA^1re worried about
>   that,
>   IA^1d replace the stub axle.
>   My forged axles have threaded holes for studs.  Me like.
>   Will.
>   On 5/29/17, 10:49 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr."
>   <[3]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>   [4]byrdjf at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>> My THINKING.
>> 
>> The studs should have an interference press in fit to the hub.  The
>> area on the studs where the press fit occurs is also seriated.  I was
>> thinking the serrations, sort of like knurling, allows for a less
>> tolerant control of the dimensions, thus an oversized stud could still
>> be pressed into the hub with moderate force.
>> 
>> The consequences of pressing in the serrations into the hub causes
>   them
>> to indent the inside diameter of the hub's fit.  This is a good thing
>> in that the "keying" HELPS the press fit from letting the stud turn
>> when torquing / removing.
>> 
>> HOWEVER, I would NOT consider the "keying" by itself to be suffice for
>> repeated use.  Being a little conservative with things mechanical, I
>> would
>> NOT use a stud that has lost its press fit (like yours).
>> 
>> IF it should spin, think about how are you going to remove the nut!
>   Most
>> cases require the nut to be drilled off.
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
>> If my thoughts are incorrect, I don't mind being put back into my
>   place
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[5]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>> Behalf Of Charles Engles
>> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 22:32 PM
>> To: [6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock wheel studs
>> 
>> Dear Forum,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>                     While mounting the rear wheels today, I noticed
>> that one wheel stud is loose and moves in and out about an eighth of
>   an
>> inch.
>> It
>> does not rotate.  The other four studs are tight.  The loose stud
>> permitted
>> normal tightening and torqueing.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>                       Dumb question: It shouldn't be loose.  Is it a
>> big
>> problem or a small one that can wait for an opportune time for
>   correction?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>                       Second dumb question:  Even though I just
>> finished an engine build, I have never dealt with wheel studs.  Easy,
>> medium or hard task for an amateur?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>                                       Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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