[DeTomaso] Cabin heat question
Mike Drew
MikeLDrew at aol.com
Wed Feb 22 23:43:22 EST 2017
All,
Doing more research, I dug out both my heater valves. One is a genuine Pantera valve while the other was sold to me on that basis, but I have now found it's slightly different. See them here:
The only difference is that the non-Pantera valve has provisions for an extra hose on the end.
The end of the valve has a solid disc on the Pantera valve, and a disc with a hose barb on the other one, held on with a snap ring. Thus it would be simple to pop the hose barb off and replace it with a suitably sized disc to mimic the Pantera arrangement.
Researching the part number I see that the barbed valve is from a German Ford, the P7 (replacement for the P5 Taunus) powered by a V4. I also found a source for these valves new:
https://www.motomobil.com/heating-valve-v4-15-17l-new-part,3237,8007440-7.html
Now, I think it's smarter to buy a reconditioned Pantera valve if you can, but if not at least this becomes an option.
Cheers!
Mike
Sent from my iPad
> On Feb 22, 2017, at 20:18, Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
>
> Larry, (private to you)
>
> In the image you included you show 1.5 heater valves. The top one is missing the mounting bracket and actuation mechanism.
>
> I have that, but am missing the valve....
>
> <image1.JPG>
>
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Feb 22, 2017, at 10:11, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
>>
>> There are actually more than 1 style and more than one way to send an
>> exchange or core in for rebuild. I should still have some on the shelf
>> that Julian rebuilt for us while he was in between his real jobs. Good
>> help is hard to find, and he was easy to train, better than most including
>> me.
>> Larry
>>
>> On 2/22/17, 9:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso"
>> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Great minds think alike!
>>>
>>> Sold on an exchange basis so that your old valve can one day serve
>>> someone else!
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Feb 22, 2017, at 9:19, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes, rebuilt valves are available, I know Larry Stock at Pantera Parts
>>>> Connection in Carson City has a number in stock ready to go as I
>>>> rebuilt them for him!
>>>>
>>>> Julian
>>>> __________________________________________________________________
>>>>
>>>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
>>>> Jim Kosloskey <jim.kosloskey at jim-kosloskey.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 8:51 AM
>>>> To: 'Jeff Detrich'; '03Drew'
>>>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; fred at creekspeak.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Cabin heat question
>>>>
>>>> I am sorry to hi-jack this chain but I am currently having my Pantera
>>>> restored. The original heater valve is very stiff and potentially
>>>> unusable. The restorer wants to cap the heater hoses kind of
>>>> indicating
>>>> the valve may not be stable.
>>>> Is there a replacement valve available - either original equipment
>>>> type
>>>> or aftermarket equivalent.
>>>> I am the original owner and this has not been on the road for nearly
>>>> 30
>>>> years. It is a 1974 L and I never had any of the typical issues with
>>>> the vehicle. I drove it every day in the Summer to work and around
>>>> town. Just before I parked it the heater valve became difficult to
>>>> operate.
>>>> Thank you in advance,
>>>> Jim Kosloskey
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso [[1]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>>>> Behalf Of Jeff Detrich
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 9:27 AM
>>>> To: 03Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>>>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; fred at creekspeak.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Cabin heat question
>>>> On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 4:51 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <
>>>> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>>>> Anyway. The stock valve is a plunger affair, as opposed to a rotary,
>>>>> ball-style valve. Moving the lever moves a plunger in and out
>>>> which
>>>>> varies the amount of water that flows through the heater core (and
>>>> in
>>>>> theory, blocks it completely when it is fully shut).
>>>> I also thought the valve piece that allowed the fluid to pass had to
>>>> be
>>>> installed in the right position (90, 180, 270, or 360 degrees within
>>>> the
>>>> pipe) to work properly? You'd have to try it in any of those positions
>>>> to see which one works.
>>>>> Actually, if one is making
>>>>> the effort, it makes sense to kill two birds with one stone and
>>>> also
>>>>> install a layer of Dynamat or similar vibration-absorbing mat.
>>>> While
>>>>> this won't do an awful lot for heat (it does supposedly do
>>>> something),
>>>>> it will dampen vibration and reduce perceived noise in the cabin.
>>>> There are three types of heat transfer that need to be accounted for.
>>>> Conduction
>>>> Convection
>>>> Radiation
>>>> The foil on dynamat is an effective way to reduce *radiation* heat
>>>> transfer if it is placed in the engine compartment so the foil faces
>>>> the engine and other sources of heat.
>>>> Jeff
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All,
Doing more research, I dug out both my heater valves. One is a genuine
Pantera valve while the other was sold to me on that basis, but I have
now found it's slightly different. See them here:
image1.JPG
image2.JPG
The only difference is that the non-Pantera valve has provisions for an
extra hose on the end.
The end of the valve has a solid disc on the Pantera valve, and a disc
with a hose barb on the other one, held on with a snap ring. Thus it
would be simple to pop the hose barb off and replace it with a suitably
sized disc to mimic the Pantera arrangement.
Researching the part number I see that the barbed valve is from a
German Ford, the P7 (replacement for the P5 Taunus) powered by a V4. I
also found a source for these valves new:
[1]https://www.motomobil.com/heating-valve-v4-15-17l-new-part,3237,8007
440-7.html
Now, I think it's smarter to buy a reconditioned Pantera valve if you
can, but if not at least this becomes an option.
Cheers!
Mike
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 22, 2017, at 20:18, Mike Drew <[2]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
Larry, (private to you)
In the image you included you show 1.5 heater valves. The top one is
missing the mounting bracket and actuation mechanism.
I have that, but am missing the valve....
<image1.JPG>
Mike
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 22, 2017, at 10:11, Larry Stock <[3]larrys at panteraparts.com>
wrote:
There are actually more than 1 style and more than one way to send
an
exchange or core in for rebuild. I should still have some on the
shelf
that Julian rebuilt for us while he was in between his real jobs.
Good
help is hard to find, and he was easy to train, better than most
including
me.
Larry
On 2/22/17, 9:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso"
<[4]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Great minds think alike!
Sold on an exchange basis so that your old valve can one day serve
someone else!
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 22, 2017, at 9:19, Julian Kift <[6]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:
Yes, rebuilt valves are available, I know Larry Stock at Pantera
Parts
Connection in Carson City has a number in stock ready to go as I
rebuilt them for him!
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <[7]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf of
Jim Kosloskey <[8]jim.kosloskey at jim-kosloskey.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 8:51 AM
To: 'Jeff Detrich'; '03Drew'
Cc: [9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; [10]fred at creekspeak.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Cabin heat question
I am sorry to hi-jack this chain but I am currently having my
Pantera
restored. The original heater valve is very stiff and potentially
unusable. The restorer wants to cap the heater hoses kind of
indicating
the valve may not be stable.
Is there a replacement valve available - either original equipment
type
or aftermarket equivalent.
I am the original owner and this has not been on the road for nearly
30
years. It is a 1974 L and I never had any of the typical issues with
the vehicle. I drove it every day in the Summer to work and around
town. Just before I parked it the heater valve became difficult to
operate.
Thank you in advance,
Jim Kosloskey
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso
[[1][11]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf Of Jeff Detrich
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 9:27 AM
To: 03Drew <[12]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Cc: [13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; [14]fred at creekspeak.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Cabin heat question
On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 4:51 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <
[15]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Anyway. The stock valve is a plunger affair, as opposed to a
rotary,
ball-style valve. Moving the lever moves a plunger in and out
which
varies the amount of water that flows through the heater core (and
in
theory, blocks it completely when it is fully shut).
I also thought the valve piece that allowed the fluid to pass had to
be
installed in the right position (90, 180, 270, or 360 degrees within
the
pipe) to work properly? You'd have to try it in any of those
positions
to see which one works.
Actually, if one is making
the effort, it makes sense to kill two birds with one stone and
also
install a layer of Dynamat or similar vibration-absorbing mat.
While
this won't do an awful lot for heat (it does supposedly do
something),
it will dampen vibration and reduce perceived noise in the cabin.
There are three types of heat transfer that need to be accounted
for.
Conduction
Convection
Radiation
The foil on dynamat is an effective way to reduce *radiation* heat
transfer if it is placed in the engine compartment so the foil faces
the engine and other sources of heat.
Jeff
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