[DeTomaso] What says the 'Collective' about a 'Slugger'
Jerry Knotts
knottsj at galstar.com
Tue Aug 1 12:17:02 EDT 2017
I have to agree with the small difference in weight between the 2
motors. I bought the car with the 13B crapped out. The LS is warmed
over with intake, heads, throttle body, injectors and ECU programming
via LS1 Edit. It also has a 125 wet shot.
The LS1 will start from a stand still in 4th gear. The torque comes in
about 2000 rpm. It dynos at 375 rear wheel hp, 365 ftlbs and gets
27mpg on the road. It has suspension upgrades that drop the car about 1
and 1/2 inches, weighs about 2750 with the air and is fun to drive on
the road at any speed. Never dynoed it with the wet shot but you can
tell the difference. It is windowed from 3000 to 6100 rpm.
On 8/1/2017 9:11 AM, George B wrote:
> Actually a 13b is about 250lbs dry. An LS3 is only 375lbs dry (with
> water pump, plastic intake, flex plate, balancer and valve covers with
> coil packs). If you add the weight of the turbos, intercooler and
> related plumbing/brackets to the rotory engine there really isn't all
> that much difference in wieght.
> The center if mass on the LS3 is also very low compared to most modern
> engines. It doesn't have 4 heavy cams riding on top of the engine with
> gigantic heads housing all of the extra valve train components.
> Also, the LS3 has amasing amounts of torque right off idle and they are
> extremely reliable if modified correctly. The 13b torque curve
> resembles an old 2 stroke dirt bike engine.
> I do agree that the rotory engine is a very different and very
> interesting piece of equipment anyway.
> George
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>
> Date: 8/1/17 12:46 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] What says the 'Collective' about a 'Slugger'
>
> What did he do with the rotary? You can get 800 hp out of a rotary with
> the turbo and it weighs half of an LS. :-)
> [1]https://youtu.be/D9pNxV00tpA
> If he still had the 13b I'll take it off his hands. :-)
> Ed
> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
> > On Jul 31, 2017, at 20:23, Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
> <byrdjf at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Interesting....
> > If the compressor is "oil locked", I wonder how does spinning about
> 30 times
> > in 1/2 second, cut it off for 1/2 second, before doing it again
> actually
> > helps.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DeTomaso [[2]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On Behalf
> > Of Jerry Knotts
> > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 22:06 PM
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> > Subject: [DeTomaso] What says the 'Collective' about a 'Slugger'
> >
> > Have been having trouble with my air in my LS powered RX-7. I have
> > been through 3 different mechanics and compressors in the last 2
> years.
> > A good friend and retired mechanic mentioned the other day I might
> want to
> > look into a 'Slugger' in conjunction with my next compressor and
> dryer
> > install. A 'Slugger' is a small electronic device to vary the ground
> and
> > applied voltage to a compressor on initial start of the compressor.
> He
> > claims that the oil will build up and drain back into a low mounted
> a/c
> > compressor after it sits idle for a while. The same location as a GM
> LS
> > install and also a Pantera.
> >
> > Was wondering if anyone had used one of these devices and if it has
> been
> > successful or not?
> >
> > Have had consistent problems with the air in the 'P' cars but hasn't
> been
> > attributable to the compressor.
> >
> >
> > They are only about 35 bucks on e-play, so I am thinking about trying
> to
> > save the valves in the new compressor.
> >
> > Just wondering?
> >
> > jerry knotts
> >
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I have to agree with the small difference in weight between the 2
motors. I bought the car with the 13B crapped out. The LS is warmed
over with intake, heads, throttle body, injectors and ECU programming
via LS1 Edit. It also has a 125 wet shot.
The LS1 will start from a stand still in 4th gear. The torque comes in
about 2000 rpm. It dynos at 375 rear wheel hp, 365 ftlbs and gets
27mpg on the road. It has suspension upgrades that drop the car about
1 and 1/2 inches, weighs about 2750 with the air and is fun to drive on
the road at any speed. Never dynoed it with the wet shot but you can
tell the difference. It is windowed from 3000 to 6100 rpm.
On 8/1/2017 9:11 AM, George B wrote:
Actually a 13b is about 250lbs dry. An LS3 is only 375lbs dry (with
water pump, plastic intake, flex plate, balancer and valve covers with
coil packs). If you add the weight of the turbos, intercooler and
related plumbing/brackets to the rotory engine there really isn't all
that much difference in wieght.
The center if mass on the LS3 is also very low compared to most modern
engines. It doesn't have 4 heavy cams riding on top of the engine with
gigantic heads housing all of the extra valve train components.
Also, the LS3 has amasing amounts of torque right off idle and they are
extremely reliable if modified correctly. The 13b torque curve
resembles an old 2 stroke dirt bike engine.
I do agree that the rotory engine is a very different and very
interesting piece of equipment anyway.
George
Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------
From: Ed Mendez [1]<edducati at mac.com>
Date: 8/1/17 12:46 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." [2]<byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
Cc: [3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] What says the 'Collective' about a 'Slugger'
What did he do with the rotary? You can get 800 hp out of a rotary with
the turbo and it weighs half of an LS. :-)
[1][4]https://youtu.be/D9pNxV00tpA
If he still had the 13b I'll take it off his hands. :-)
Ed
Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
> On Jul 31, 2017, at 20:23, Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
[5]<byrdjf at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
> Interesting....
> If the compressor is "oil locked", I wonder how does spinning about
30 times
> in 1/2 second, cut it off for 1/2 second, before doing it again
actually
> helps.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [[2][6]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
> Of Jerry Knotts
> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 22:06 PM
> To: DeTomaso list new
> Subject: [DeTomaso] What says the 'Collective' about a 'Slugger'
>
> Have been having trouble with my air in my LS powered RX-7. I have
> been through 3 different mechanics and compressors in the last 2
years.
> A good friend and retired mechanic mentioned the other day I might
want to
> look into a 'Slugger' in conjunction with my next compressor and
dryer
> install. A 'Slugger' is a small electronic device to vary the ground
and
> applied voltage to a compressor on initial start of the compressor.
He
> claims that the oil will build up and drain back into a low mounted
a/c
> compressor after it sits idle for a while. The same location as a GM
LS
> install and also a Pantera.
>
> Was wondering if anyone had used one of these devices and if it has
been
> successful or not?
>
> Have had consistent problems with the air in the 'P' cars but hasn't
been
> attributable to the compressor.
>
>
> They are only about 35 bucks on e-play, so I am thinking about trying
to
> save the valves in the new compressor.
>
> Just wondering?
>
> jerry knotts
>
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