[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19
Himes, Terry (397C)
terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
Sat Sep 17 11:52:33 EDT 2016
Well said!
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>>
Date: Saturday, September 17, 2016 7:56 AM
To: Owen Cooke <owen at tadhgcooke.com<mailto:owen at tadhgcooke.com>>, "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19
It's great to hear that you now have a functioning cooling system, although I have to wonder which of the particular changes contributed most, I suspect the thermostat housing being blocked off was a bulk of the problem.
I had a similar experience when I got my first Pantera, it overheated in traffic, so I jumped on the web found all these articles about swapping radiators and fans etc. and duly went and purchased a setup. When I got to going through the car checking the thermostat I found it was a Windsor style, I swapped it for the correct Cleveland t-stat and voila heating issues resolved.
It's just a reminder to check the simple stuff prior to laying out big $$$, even now I think there are still a lot of myths' perpetuated about these cars... like someone once said "why let the truth get in the way of a good story"
Julian
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19
guys
i had overheating problems
i put in a new hall brass rad but my car had bleed pipe from the rad
back to the swirl tank and no fitting in halls rad for it apart from a
top bleed screw
so i made a junction to fit the original bleed screw and the bleed pipe
to it
then new mariah (is that the right name) that fir on the stock brackets
and wired them directly from the battery to the relays
i found the hole under the thermostat was blocked with solder
i removed that and fitted a new stat
now all is perfect temp wise - warms up steady and holds the 90c or
195f in all conditions
my gauge with sender in block beside the pump/stat ready 150f but its
steady and i know what to expect
very happy with result
owen cooke
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Today's Topics:
1. Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue)
2. Re: Fans and shroud (Himes, Terry (397C))
3. Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars)
4. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (LSJ)
5. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue)
6. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue)
7. Re: Fans and shroud (Larry Stock)
8. McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann)
9. Re: Fans and shroud (Ken Green)
10. McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Finch)
11. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars)
12. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars)
13. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Will Kooiman)
14. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann)
15. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Stock)
16. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Mike Drew)
17. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Julian Kift)
18. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Mike Drew)
19. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Finch)
20. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann)
21. NPC, Need transmission suggestions (michael frazier)
22. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (David Nunn)
23. Re: NPC, Need transmission suggestions (bill)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 09:29:46 -0700
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Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me.
So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
jack
#4348
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:54:05 +0000
From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>>
To: Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com<mailto:demongusta at gmail.com>>,
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Jack,
Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. I'm not going to change it
now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal with it. So keep posting and
I will keep saving the responses. ;-)
Terry
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
Fax: (818) 393-3147
thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov><mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
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Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me.
So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
jack
#4348
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Jack,
Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. I'm
not going to change it
now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal with
it. So keep posting and
I will keep saving the responses. ;-)
Terry
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
Fax: (818) 393-3147
[1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
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Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
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Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List
about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator,
since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I
have to admit it's because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain't
broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn't want to admit that, but...Lol.
There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don't want to mention it
right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will
"build-to-suit" - but the Hall unit looks to be "tried-and-proven".
Now - fans. I really don't know the brand name of my fans, but they are
suckers - about 12" diameter - and the blades are "curved" -
sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL,
and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone's post about the Flex-a-lite's
since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a
perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for
me.
So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
jack
#4348
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:03:20 -0700
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Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
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I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for the
rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would give
the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
Thanks in advance for your thoughts
Roy
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 17:08:50 +0000 (UTC)
From: LSJ <lashdeep at yahoo.com<mailto:lashdeep at yahoo.com>>
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What size wheel up front?
?LSJ
central wines-spirits?? est 1934
625 e street nw
washington, dc 20004
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facebook.com/CentralLiquors
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Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for the
rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would give
the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
Thanks in advance for your thoughts
Roy
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What size wheel up front?
LSJ
central
wines-spirits est 1934
625 e street nw
washington, dc 20004
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Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for the
rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would
give
the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
Thanks in advance for your thoughts
Roy
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:13:05 -0700
From: Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com<mailto:demongusta at gmail.com>>
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Terry - I don?t have the original radiator - I currently have a Fluidyne with twin suckers, tilted forward, and A/C condenser in front. Originally, I wanted to just add a shroud, based on a friend of mine who does some serious off-road driving - he swears by a shroud - says it really made a difference for him and that I should AT LEAST get one for the whole ?Pantera-Heat-Prevention Program. That sounds good - (PHPP). Anyway, the more I looked into things, the more I was ?converted" to brass/copper as it seems to be more reliable - and more repairable (which I like).
jack
On Sep 16, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>> wrote:
Jack,
Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. I'm not going to change it
now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal with it. So keep posting and
I will keep saving the responses. ;-)
Terry
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
Fax: (818) 393-3147
thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov> <mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
??
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Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
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Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me.
So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
jack
#4348
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Terry - I don't have the original radiator - I currently have a
Fluidyne with twin suckers, tilted forward, and A/C condenser in front.
Originally, I wanted to just add a shroud, based on a friend of mine
who does some serious off-road driving - he swears by a shroud - says
it really made a difference for him and that I should AT LEAST get one
for the whole "Pantera-Heat-Prevention Program. That sounds good -
(PHPP). Anyway, the more I looked into things, the more I was
"converted" to brass/copper as it seems to be more reliable - and more
repairable (which I like).
jack
On Sep 16, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Himes, Terry (397C)
<[1]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>> wrote:
Jack,
Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. I'm
not going to change it
now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal with
it. So keep posting and
I will keep saving the responses. ;-)
Terry
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
Fax: (818) 393-3147
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From: DeTomaso <[3]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf
of Jack Donahue <[4]demongusta at gmail.com<mailto:demongusta at gmail.com>>
Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
To: "[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
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Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List
about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator,
since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I
have to admit it's because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain't
broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn't want to admit that, but...Lol.
There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don't want to mention it
right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will
"build-to-suit" - but the Hall unit looks to be "tried-and-proven".
Now - fans. I really don't know the brand name of my fans, but they are
suckers - about 12" diameter - and the blades are "curved" -
sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL,
and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone's post about the Flex-a-lite's
since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a
perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for
me.
So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
jack
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:17:31 -0700
From: Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com<mailto:demongusta at gmail.com>>
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There-in lies one of my problems - I could never MAKE a shroud. I wish I could - maybe out of foil-wrap. I will check out that website, thanks.
On Sep 16, 2016, at 10:07 AM, GR2835 at comcast.net<mailto:GR2835 at comcast.net> wrote:
Pantera Electronics has recommended fans with part numbers under the fan controller button on their website.
I have a stock radiator that was modified for lay down and air conditioning condenser up front........I have a fan shroud that I made and mounted the 2 sucker fans. 192 thermostat ran 192 in a 14 mile traffic jam last year that.took me 90 minutes to get through.......temperature was 98 degrees leaving the 2015 Woodward Cruise...........my wife complained that she was too cold with the air set on the warmest setting.
Good luck
Gerry in Illinois
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Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me.
So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
jack
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 11:24:26 -0700
From: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com<mailto:larrys at panteraparts.com>>
To: Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com<mailto:demongusta at gmail.com>>
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Hi Jack,
You should be able to use the fans off the Fluidyne, if not we have our
Maridyne system fans and our own bracket kit and if you need shrouds for a
full lie-down system, we have those too. Typically we recommend our half
Lay forward system which minimizes the thru air turbulence.
11041B Defl. Rad. S.S. Lay down for kit $95.00
11042B Stainless deflector right $65.00
11043B Stainless deflector left $65.00
11055B Radiator Puller Fan Shroud SS Mounting brackets set of 3 $125.00
11055P PPC Puller Fans & Shroud Assy $325.00
If the Hall Brass radiator has the stock quick 90 degree hard radiator
tubes installed, you will not be able to mount a puller fan shroud under
those tubes, if it has the straight out tubes then you can use 90 degree
molded rubber hoses to clear the Puller shroud like your Fluidyne.
Larry Stock
Pantera Parts Connection LC
550 Mallory Way
Carson City NV 89701
www.PanteraParts.com<http://www.PanteraParts.com>
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On 9/16/16, 9:29 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jack Donahue"
<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
demongusta at gmail.com<mailto:demongusta at gmail.com>> wrote:
Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators
- all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted
brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit
it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am
fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an
ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran
my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the
Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are
suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? -
sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and
Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they
said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match
for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part
number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me.
So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
jack
#4348
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:09:55 -0500
From: Cullen McCann <cmccann1972 at gmail.com<mailto:cmccann1972 at gmail.com>>
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out
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Good afternoon!
Has anyone installed the McLeod hydraulic throwout bearing that they say is
Pantera specific for the ZF, and what was your experience? I've had a
fantastic experience with them on another performance car application.
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22
Thank you!!
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Good afternoon!
Has anyone installed the McLeod hydraulic throwout bearing that they
say is Pantera specific for the ZF, and what was your experience? I've
had a fantastic experience with them on another performance car
application.
[1]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22
Thank you!!
References
1. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 19:27:46 +0000 (UTC)
From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com<mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com>>
To: Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com<mailto:demongusta at gmail.com>>,
"detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
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Jack,
??? You should be able to find the fan and shroud here:
https://www.flex-a-lite.com/electric-fans/12-volt-electric-fans/universal/primary-fans.html
From: Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com<mailto:demongusta at gmail.com>>
To: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
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Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about? radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.? And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past? Brassworks? - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved?? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up? a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me.
So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
jack
#4348
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Jack,
You should be able to find the fan and shroud here:
[1]https://www.flex-a-lite.com/electric-fans/12-volt-electric-fans/univ
ersal/primary-fans.html
__________________________________________________________________
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To: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
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Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about
radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I
wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to
admit itas because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ainat broke,
but I am fixing it(?). Didnat want to admit that, but...Lol. There
really is an ulterior motive, but I just donat want to mention it right
now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will
abuild-to-suita - but the Hall unit looks to be atried-and-provena.
Now - fans. I really donat know the brand name of my fans, but they are
suckers - about 12a diameter - and the blades are acurveda -
sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL,
and Flex-a-lite. I had read someoneas post about the Flex-a-liteas
since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a
perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for
me.
So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
jack
#4348
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 12:35:17 -0700
From: Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com<mailto:fresnofinches at aol.com>>
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Subject: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out
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Cullen,
2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it in 2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most recently did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with and ordered directly from McLeod.
My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild kit I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous invoice. What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit which uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined that for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as a ? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the company. No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two generations.
While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the task of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull the transaxle and start all over again.
The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as has been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine. Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that road for themselves.
Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory details.
Larry
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 12:50:41 -0700
From: MyCars <mycars at comcast.net<mailto:mycars at comcast.net>>
To: LSJ <lashdeep at yahoo.com<mailto:lashdeep at yahoo.com>>, "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
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Going off memory (my car is still in Seattle) I am in San Diego area.
They are 15" Aluminum Weld 5-spoke rims, that I believe are about 9.5"
wide.
On 9/16/2016 10:08 AM, LSJ wrote:
What size wheel up front?
LSJ
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*Sent:* Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM
*Subject:* [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for the
rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would give
the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
Thanks in advance for your thoughts
Roy
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Going off memory (my car is still in Seattle) I am in San Diego area.
They are 15" Aluminum Weld 5-spoke rims, that I believe are about 9.5"
wide.
On 9/16/2016 10:08 AM, LSJ wrote:
What size wheel up front?
LSJ
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To: [4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM
Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for the
rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would
give
the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
Thanks in advance for your thoughts
Roy
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 13:00:36 -0700
From: MyCars <mycars at comcast.net<mailto:mycars at comcast.net>>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
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I just checked Weld's website
http://weldwheels.com/shop/street-strip/sport-forged-wheels/prostar.html
They do not offer a 15" rim 9.5" wide, so I would guess they are 9" wide
On 9/16/2016 12:50 PM, MyCars wrote:
Going off memory (my car is still in Seattle) I am in San Diego area.
They are 15" Aluminum Weld 5-spoke rims, that I believe are about 9.5"
wide.
On 9/16/2016 10:08 AM, LSJ wrote:
What size wheel up front?
LSJ
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Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM
Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for the
rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would
give
the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
Thanks in advance for your thoughts
Roy
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I just checked Weld's website
[1]http://weldwheels.com/shop/street-strip/sport-forged-wheels/prostar.
html
They do not offer a 15" rim 9.5" wide, so I would guess they are 9"
wide
On 9/16/2016 12:50 PM, MyCars wrote:
Going off memory (my car is still in Seattle) I am in San Diego area.
They are 15" Aluminum Weld 5-spoke rims, that I believe are about 9.5"
wide.
On 9/16/2016 10:08 AM, LSJ wrote:
What size wheel up front?
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I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would
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Thanks in advance for your thoughts
Roy
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:26:27 -0400
From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com>>
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Wow.
I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily
available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium. Rather than building a new
bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
--
Will
On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>> wrote:
Cullen,
2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it in
2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most recently
did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with
and ordered directly from McLeod.
My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout
spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had
on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting
where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of
course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line
attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up
very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking
outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild kit
I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous invoice.
What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit which
uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined that
for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used
exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as a
? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the company.
No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two generations.
While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the task
of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and
unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull the
transaxle and start all over again.
The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as has
been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine.
Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my
experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that
road for themselves.
Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory
details.
Larry
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 15:50:41 -0500
From: Cullen McCann <cmccann1972 at gmail.com<mailto:cmccann1972 at gmail.com>>
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Thank you Larry. You answered my question perfectly. I am like Will, I have
one on my Cobra as well, with a ford Top Loader and its been there for
several years and Ive always loved it. I actually bought one that was "new"
but several generations old, and when I called McLeod to inquire about
fresh O-rings, they sent me a brand new unit just to "ensure a positive
experience". I installed it with a performance clutch and a scattershield,
bled it according to the instructions and that was about 4 years ago.
Havent had a lick of trouble. (knocking on wood now).
the frame rails on my cobra are 24" apart and I couldn't fit the clutch
fork between the side of the bellhousing and the frame rail, and ive had a
bad experience with performance clutches and cables breaking in the
past...so I went the hydraulic route and have loved it.
however... I will certainly consider carefully this drama as I set up my P
car. I have a plan B with an external slave also, if I choose not to use
the factory unit. Thank you sir.
Cullen
On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com>>
wrote:
Wow.
I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily
available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium. Rather than building a new
bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
--
Will
On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>> wrote:
Cullen,
2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it in
2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most recently
did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with
and ordered directly from McLeod.
My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout
spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had
on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting
where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of
course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line
attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up
very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking
outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild kit
I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous invoice.
What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit which
uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined that
for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used
exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as a
? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the company.
No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two generations.
While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the task
of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and
unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull the
transaxle and start all over again.
The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as has
been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine.
Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my
experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that
road for themselves.
Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory
details.
Larry
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Thank you Larry. You answered my question perfectly. I am like Will, I
have one on my Cobra as well, with a ford Top Loader and its been there
for several years and Ive always loved it. I actually bought one that
was "new" but several generations old, and when I called McLeod to
inquire about fresh O-rings, they sent me a brand new unit just to
"ensure a positive experience". I installed it with a performance
clutch and a scattershield, bled it according to the instructions and
that was about 4 years ago. Havent had a lick of trouble.A (knocking
on wood now).
the frame rails on my cobra are 24" apart and I couldn't fit the clutch
fork between the side of the bellhousing and the frame rail, and ive
had a bad experience with performance clutches and cables breaking in
the past...so I went the hydraulic route and have loved it.
however... I will certainly consider carefully this drama as I set up
my P car. I have a plan B with an external slave also, if I choose not
to use the factory unit.A Thank you sir.
Cullen
On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Will Kooiman
<[1]will.kooiman at gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com>> wrote:
Wow.
I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily
available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium.A Rather than
building a new
bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
--
Will
On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
<[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>> wrote:
>Cullen,
>
>2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it
in
>2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most
recently
>did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with
>and ordered directly from McLeod.
>
>My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
>
>The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout
>spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still
had
>on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90ADEG
fitting
>where one should have used a 45ADEG fitting, twisted itself, unseen of
>course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line
>attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold
up
>very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
>
>The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking
>outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
>
>Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild
kit
>I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous
invoice.
>What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit
which
>uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined
that
>for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used
>exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as
a
>A A or a AB which to me seems indicative of a problem within the
company.
>No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two
generations.
>
>While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the
task
>of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and
>unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull
the
>transaxle and start all over again.
>
>The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as
has
>been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine.
>Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my
>experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that
>road for themselves.
>
>Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory
>details.
>
>Larry
>
>Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 13:53:15 -0700
From: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com<mailto:larrys at panteraparts.com>>
To: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com>>, Larry Finch
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The basic problem is that the bell housing is too confined and not
ventilated well enough to dissipate the heat. The Superformance is using a
Quick Time bell housing that has much more ventilation than the DeTomaso
Bell housing. Just another reason not to run those Plugs that some vendors
offer, that close off the inspection hole at the left hand top of the bell
housing. That is the only heat dissipation vent there is.
Larry
On 9/16/16, 1:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman"
<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
will.kooiman at gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com>> wrote:
Wow.
I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily
available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium. Rather than building a new
bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
--
Will
On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>> wrote:
Cullen,
2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it in
2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most recently
did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with
and ordered directly from McLeod.
My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout
spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had
on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting
where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of
course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line
attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up
very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking
outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild kit
I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous invoice.
What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit which
uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined that
for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used
exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as a
? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the company.
No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two generations.
While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the task
of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and
unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull the
transaxle and start all over again.
The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as has
been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine.
Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my
experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that
road for themselves.
Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory
details.
Larry
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:11:22 -0700
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com>>
To: David Nunn <dnunn at telus.net<mailto:dnunn at telus.net>>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
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All,
Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note there is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat firewall kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
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Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <dnunn at telus.net<mailto:dnunn at telus.net>> wrote:
Rob,
If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit. It
eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it adjustable.
It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on IPSCO's web
site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and belt
tensioning a breeze.
[1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
References
1. http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 21:16:34 +0000
From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>>
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Mike,
It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again, the one that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location, but was adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench on the rear.
Julian
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
All,
Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note there is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat firewall kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
[cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.com<mailto:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.com>]
Mike
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On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <dnunn at telus.net<mailto:dnunn at telus.net>> wrote:
Rob,
If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit. It
eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it adjustable.
It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on IPSCO's web
site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and belt
tensioning a breeze.
[1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
References
1. http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
[http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.jpg]<http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm>
Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ...<http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm>
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Mike,
It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again, the one
that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location, but was
adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench on
the rear.
Julian
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
All,
Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note there
is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat firewall
kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
[cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.com<mailto:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.com>]
Mike
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On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <dnunn at telus.net<mailto:dnunn at telus.net>> wrote:
> Rob,
>
> If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit. It
> eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
adjustable.
> It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on IPSCO's
web
> site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
>
> Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and
belt
> tensioning a breeze.
>
> [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
>
> References
>
> 1. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
[2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg]
[3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ...
www.ipsco.org<http://www.ipsco.org>
Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler Pulley,
this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench behind
the bracket to tighten in ...
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:18:39 -0700
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com>>
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>>
Cc: David Nunn <dnunn at telus.net<mailto:dnunn at telus.net>>, "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
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Julian,
Yes, he mentioned two different products for different applications but only had a link for the stock replacement idler. My photo shows the idler that replaces the alternator to tension the water pump belt.
Mike
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On Sep 16, 2016, at 14:16, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>> wrote:
Mike,
It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again, the one
that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location, but was
adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench on
the rear.
Julian
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To: David Nunn
Cc: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
All,
Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note there
is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat firewall
kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
[cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.com<mailto:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.com>]
Mike
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On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <dnunn at telus.net<mailto:dnunn at telus.net>> wrote:
Rob,
If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit. It
eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
adjustable.
It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on IPSCO's
web
site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and
belt
tensioning a breeze.
[1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
References
1. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
[2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg]
[3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ...
www.ipsco.org<http://www.ipsco.org>
Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler Pulley,
this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench behind
the bracket to tighten in ...
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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:19:14 -0700
From: Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com<mailto:fresnofinches at aol.com>>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out
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Heat?
As I previously wrote, I have over 50,000 miles using one of the McLeod systems.
Those 50,000 miles have all been WITH a black plastic plug in the hole that some wish to call a ventilation hole rather than an inspection hole. Your choice, I don't really care.
Whatever heat issues may or may not be present, with or without a plug, have never appeared to be an issue in any way, shape or form in my many years of experience.
I am all ears if Larry or anyone else has history that supports a failure of the McLeod unit from excessive heat.
Larry
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On Sep 16, 2016, at 1:53 PM, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com<mailto:larrys at panteraparts.com>> wrote:
The basic problem is that the bell housing is too confined and not
ventilated well enough to dissipate the heat. The Superformance is using a
Quick Time bell housing that has much more ventilation than the DeTomaso
Bell housing. Just another reason not to run those Plugs that some vendors
offer, that close off the inspection hole at the left hand top of the bell
housing. That is the only heat dissipation vent there is.
Larry
On 9/16/16, 1:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman"
<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
will.kooiman at gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com>> wrote:
Wow.
I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily
available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium. Rather than building a new
bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
--
Will
On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>> wrote:
Cullen,
2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it in
2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most recently
did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with
and ordered directly from McLeod.
My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout
spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had
on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting
where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of
course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line
attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up
very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking
outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild kit
I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous invoice.
What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit which
uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined that
for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used
exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as a
A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the company.
No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two generations.
While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the task
of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and
unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull the
transaxle and start all over again.
The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as has
been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine.
Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my
experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that
road for themselves.
Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory
details.
Larry
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:38:06 -0500
From: Cullen McCann <cmccann1972 at gmail.com<mailto:cmccann1972 at gmail.com>>
To: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com<mailto:larrys at panteraparts.com>>
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well, I have the quicktime bellhousing for the ZF on 4653. I forgot to
mention that. Also didn't consider it would be relevant. hmmmm.
On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com<mailto:larrys at panteraparts.com>>
wrote:
The basic problem is that the bell housing is too confined and not
ventilated well enough to dissipate the heat. The Superformance is using a
Quick Time bell housing that has much more ventilation than the DeTomaso
Bell housing. Just another reason not to run those Plugs that some vendors
offer, that close off the inspection hole at the left hand top of the bell
housing. That is the only heat dissipation vent there is.
Larry
On 9/16/16, 1:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman"
<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
will.kooiman at gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com>> wrote:
Wow.
I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily
available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium. Rather than building a new
bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
--
Will
On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>> wrote:
Cullen,
2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it in
2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most recently
did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with
and ordered directly from McLeod.
My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout
spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had
on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting
where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of
course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line
attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up
very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking
outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild kit
I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous invoice.
What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit which
uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined that
for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used
exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as a
? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the company.
No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two generations.
While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the task
of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and
unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull the
transaxle and start all over again.
The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as has
been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine.
Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my
experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that
road for themselves.
Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory
details.
Larry
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well, I have the quicktime bellhousing for the ZF on 4653. I forgot to
mention that. Also didn't consider it would be relevant. hmmmm.
On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Larry Stock
<[1]larrys at panteraparts.com<mailto:larrys at panteraparts.com>> wrote:
The basic problem is that the bell housing is too confined and not
ventilated well enough to dissipate the heat. The Superformance is
using a
Quick Time bell housing that has much more ventilation than the
DeTomaso
Bell housing. Just another reason not to run those Plugs that some
vendors
offer, that close off the inspection hole at the left hand top of
the bell
housing. That is the only heat dissipation vent there is.
Larry
On 9/16/16, 1:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman"
<[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
[3]will.kooiman at gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com>> wrote:
>Wow.
>
>I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
>
>My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily
>available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium.A Rather than
building a new
>bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
>
>At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
>
>--
>Will
>
>
>
>
>
>On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
><[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>> wrote:
>
>>Cullen,
>>
>>2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased
it in
>>2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most
recently
>>did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke
with
>>and ordered directly from McLeod.
>>
>>My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
>>
>>The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input
snout
>>spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I
still had
>>on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90ADEG
fitting
>>where one should have used a 45ADEG fitting, twisted itself,
unseen of
>>course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard
line
>>attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't
hold up
>>very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
>>
>>The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long,
sticking
>>outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
>>
>>Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same
rebuild kit
>>I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous
invoice.
>>What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit
which
>>uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately
determined that
>>for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has
used
>>exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix
such as a
>>A A or a AB which to me seems indicative of a problem within the
company.
>>No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two
generations.
>>
>>While you have some experience in using one of these previously,
the task
>>of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting
and
>>unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but
pull the
>>transaxle and start all over again.
>>
>>The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and
as has
>>been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just
fine.
>>Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based
on my
>>experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down
that
>>road for themselves.
>>
>>Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the
gory
>>details.
>>
>>Larry
>>
>>Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 21:46:51 +0000
From: michael frazier <red3644 at hotmail.com<mailto:red3644 at hotmail.com>>
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Hi All,
I?m putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road. It sat in a barn since 1961 and only has 25k miles,
but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out. Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will
remain. The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.
I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want an overdrive transmission. Manual or
automatic, either one. It won?t be drag raced but will be used regularly and would likely be run in an
open road race some time. That?s the reason for the overdrive.
I?ve been out of this part of the game for a while and was wondering what would work well.
What would bolt up and work. What would it come out of?
Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Michael
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Hi All,
I'm putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road. It sat in a barn since
1961 and only has 25k miles,
but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out.
Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will
remain. The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete
Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.
I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want an
overdrive transmission. Manual or
automatic, either one. It won't be drag raced but will be used
regularly and would likely be run in an
open road race some time. That's the reason for the overdrive.
I've been out of this part of the game for a while and was wondering
what would work well.
What would bolt up and work. What would it come out of?
Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Michael
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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 15:04:46 -0700
From: "David Nunn" <dnunn at telus.net<mailto:dnunn at telus.net>>
To: "'Mike Drew'" <MikeLDrew at aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com>>, "'Julian Kift'"
<julian_kift at hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
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Julian,
Further to what Mike wrote; here's a photo of the front of my engine, with
both IPSCO items installed.
David
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Sent: September 16, 2016 2:19 PM
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
Julian,
Yes, he mentioned two different products for different applications but only
had a link for the stock replacement idler. My photo shows the idler that
replaces the alternator to tension the water pump belt.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 16, 2016, at 14:16, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>> wrote:
Mike,
It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again, the one
that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location, but was
adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench on
the rear.
Julian
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Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM
To: David Nunn
Cc: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
All,
Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note there
is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat firewall
kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
[cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.com<mailto:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.com>]
Mike
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On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <dnunn at telus.net<mailto:dnunn at telus.net>> wrote:
Rob,
If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit. It
eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
adjustable.
It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on IPSCO's
web
site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and
belt
tensioning a breeze.
[1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
References
1. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
[2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg]
[3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ...
www.ipsco.org<http://www.ipsco.org>
Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler Pulley,
this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench behind
the bracket to tighten in ...
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Message: 23
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:26:53 -0600
From: bill <bill at incendium.com<mailto:bill at incendium.com>>
To: michael frazier <red3644 at hotmail.com<mailto:red3644 at hotmail.com>>,
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Michael:Screw that put a Ford flat head V8 in that suckered.?
CheersBill MooreCalgary
-------- Original message --------From: michael frazier <red3644 at hotmail.com<mailto:red3644 at hotmail.com>> Date: 2016-09-16 3:46 PM (GMT-07:00) To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC, Need transmission suggestions
Hi All,
I?m putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road.? It sat in a barn since 1961 and only has 25k miles,
but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out.? Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will
remain.? The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.
I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want an overdrive transmission.? Manual or
automatic, either one.? It won?t be drag raced but will be used regularly and would likely be run in an
open road race some time.? That?s the reason for the overdrive.
I?ve been out of this part of the game for a while and was wondering what would work well.
What would bolt up and work.? What would it come out of?
Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Michael
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?? Hi All,
?? I'm putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road.? It sat in a barn since
?? 1961 and only has 25k miles,
?? but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out.
?? Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will
?? remain.? The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete
?? Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.
?? I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want an
?? overdrive transmission.? Manual or
?? automatic, either one.? It won't be drag raced but will be used
?? regularly and would likely be run in an
?? open road race some time.? That's the reason for the overdrive.
?? I've been out of this part of the game for a while and was wondering
?? what would work well.
?? What would bolt up and work.? What would it come out of?
?? Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
?? Michael
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Michael:
Screw that put a Ford flat head V8 in that suckered.
Cheers
Bill Moore
Calgary
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Date: 2016-09-16 3:46 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC, Need transmission suggestions
Hi All,
I'm putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road. It sat in a barn since
1961 and only has 25k miles,
but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out.
Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will
remain. The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete
Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.
I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want an
overdrive transmission. Manual or
automatic, either one. It won't be drag raced but will be used
regularly and would likely be run in an
open road race some time. That's the reason for the overdrive.
I've been out of this part of the game for a while and was wondering
what would work well.
What would bolt up and work. What would it come out of?
Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Michael
Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10
Hi All,
I'm putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road. It sat in a barn
since
1961 and only has 25k miles,
but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out.
Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will
remain. The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete
Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.
I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want
an
overdrive transmission. Manual or
automatic, either one. It won't be drag raced but will be used
regularly and would likely be run in an
open road race some time. That's the reason for the overdrive.
I've been out of this part of the game for a while and was wondering
what would work well.
What would bolt up and work. What would it come out of?
Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Michael
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:31:46 -0600
From: bill <bill at incendium.com<mailto:bill at incendium.com>>
To: David Nunn <dnunn at telus.net<mailto:dnunn at telus.net>>, 'Mike Drew' <MikeLDrew at aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com>>,
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Wow !,,,,
That looks to nice to cover up.....
CheersBill MooreCalgary
-------- Original message --------From: David Nunn <dnunn at telus.net<mailto:dnunn at telus.net>> Date: 2016-09-16 4:04 PM (GMT-07:00) To: 'Mike Drew' <MikeLDrew at aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com>>, 'Julian Kift' <julian_kift at hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
Julian,
Further to what Mike wrote; here's a photo of the front of my engine, with
both IPSCO items installed.
David
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Sent: September 16, 2016 2:19 PM
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>>
Cc: David Nunn <dnunn at telus.net<mailto:dnunn at telus.net>>; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
Julian,
Yes, he mentioned two different products for different applications but only
had a link for the stock replacement idler. My photo shows the idler that
replaces the alternator to tension the water pump belt.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 16, 2016, at 14:16, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>> wrote:
?? Mike,
?? It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again, the one
?? that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location, but was
?? adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench on
?? the rear.
?? Julian
???? __________________________________________________________________
?? From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of
?? Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
?? Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM
?? To: David Nunn
?? Cc: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
?? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
?? All,
?? Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note there
?? is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat firewall
?? kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
?? [cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.com<mailto:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.com>]
?? Mike
?? Sent from my iPhone
?? On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <dnunn at telus.net<mailto:dnunn at telus.net>> wrote:
? Rob,
? If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit. It?
eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
?? adjustable.
? It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on IPSCO's
?? web
? site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
? Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and
?? belt
? tensioning a breeze.
? [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
References
? 1. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
?? [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg]
?? [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ...
?? www.ipsco.org<http://www.ipsco.org>
?? Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler Pulley,
?? this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench behind
?? the bracket to tighten in ...
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Wow !,,,,
That looks to nice to cover up.....
Cheers
Bill Moore
Calgary
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From: David Nunn <dnunn at telus.net<mailto:dnunn at telus.net>>
Date: 2016-09-16 4:04 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: 'Mike Drew' <MikeLDrew at aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com>>, 'Julian Kift'
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
Julian,
Further to what Mike wrote; here's a photo of the front of my engine,
with
both IPSCO items installed.
David
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From: Mike Drew [mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com]
Sent: September 16, 2016 2:19 PM
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
Julian,
Yes, he mentioned two different products for different applications but
only
had a link for the stock replacement idler. My photo shows the idler
that
replaces the alternator to tension the water pump belt.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 16, 2016, at 14:16, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>> wrote:
> Mike,
>
> It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again, the
one
> that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location, but
was
> adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench
on
> the rear.
> Julian
>
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> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf
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> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM
> To: David Nunn
> Cc: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
>
> All,
> Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note
there
> is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat
firewall
> kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
>
[cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.com<mailto:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.com>]
> Mike
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <dnunn at telus.net<mailto:dnunn at telus.net>> wrote:
>> Rob,
>>
>> If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit.
It
>> eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
> adjustable.
>> It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on IPSCO's
> web
>> site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
>>
>> Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and
> belt
>> tensioning a breeze.
>>
>> [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
> [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg]
> [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ...
> www.ipsco.org<http://www.ipsco.org>
> Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler
Pulley,
> this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench
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Well said!
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
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From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
of Julian Kift <[3]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Date: Saturday, September 17, 2016 7:56 AM
To: Owen Cooke <[4]owen at tadhgcooke.com>,
"[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19
It's great to hear that you now have a functioning cooling system,
although I have to wonder which of the particular changes contributed
most, I suspect the thermostat housing being blocked off was a bulk of
the problem.
I had a similar experience when I got my first Pantera, it overheated
in traffic, so I jumped on the web found all these articles about
swapping radiators and fans etc. and duly went and purchased a setup.
When I got to going through the car checking the thermostat I found it
was a Windsor style, I swapped it for the correct Cleveland t-stat and
voila heating issues resolved.
It's just a reminder to check the simple stuff prior to laying out big
$$$, even now I think there are still a lot of myths' perpetuated about
these cars... like someone once said "why let the truth get in the way
of a good story"
Julian
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19
guys
i had overheating problems
i put in a new hall brass rad but my car had bleed pipe from the rad
back to the swirl tank and no fitting in halls rad for it apart from a
top bleed screw
so i made a junction to fit the original bleed screw and the bleed pipe
to it
then new mariah (is that the right name) that fir on the stock brackets
and wired them directly from the battery to the relays
i found the hole under the thermostat was blocked with solder
i removed that and fitted a new stat
now all is perfect temp wise - warms up steady and holds the 90c or
195f in all conditions
my gauge with sender in block beside the pump/stat ready 150f but its
steady and i know what to expect
very happy with result
owen cooke
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1. Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue)
2. Re: Fans and shroud (Himes, Terry (397C))
3. Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars)
4. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (LSJ)
5. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue)
6. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue)
7. Re: Fans and shroud (Larry Stock)
8. McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann)
9. Re: Fans and shroud (Ken Green)
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13. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Will Kooiman)
14. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann)
15. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Stock)
16. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Mike Drew)
17. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Julian Kift)
18. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Mike Drew)
19. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Finch)
20. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann)
21. NPC, Need transmission suggestions (michael frazier)
22. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (David Nunn)
23. Re: NPC, Need transmission suggestions (bill)
24. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (bill)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 09:29:46 -0700
From: Jack Donahue <[16]demongusta at gmail.com>
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Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List
about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator,
since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I
have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t
broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol.
There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it
right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will
?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are
suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? -
sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL,
and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s
since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a
perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for
me.
So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
jack
#4348
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:54:05 +0000
From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <[22]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
To: Jack Donahue <[23]demongusta at gmail.com>,
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Jack,
Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. I'm
not going to change it
now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal with
it. So keep posting and
I will keep saving the responses. ;-)
Terry
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
Fax: (818) 393-3147
[27]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<[28]mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
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From: DeTomaso
<[29]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<[30]mailto:detomaso-bounc
es at server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Jack Donahue
<[31]demongusta at gmail.com<[32]mailto:demongusta at gmail.com>>
Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
To:
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solist.com>>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List
about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator,
since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I
have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t
broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol.
There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it
right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will
?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are
suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? -
sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL,
and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s
since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a
perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for
me.
So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
jack
#4348
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Jack,
Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new
fans. I'm
not going to change it
now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal
with
it. So keep posting and
I will keep saving the responses. ;-)
Terry
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
Fax: (818) 393-3147
[1][44]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
From: DeTomaso <[2][45]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
on behalf
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Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
To: "[4][47]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
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Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List
about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall
radiator,
since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike
Drew, I
have to admit it's because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It
ain't
broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn't want to admit that,
but...Lol.
There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don't want to
mention it
right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they
will
"build-to-suit" - but the Hall unit looks to be
"tried-and-proven".
Now - fans. I really don't know the brand name of my fans, but
they are
suckers - about 12" diameter - and the blades are "curved" -
sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah,
SPAL,
and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone's post about the Flex-a-lite's
since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is
a
perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal
for
me.
So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
jack
#4348
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:03:20 -0700
From: MyCars <[62]mycars at comcast.net>
To: [63]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
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I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for the
rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would
give
the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
Thanks in advance for your thoughts
Roy
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 17:08:50 +0000 (UTC)
From: LSJ <[65]lashdeep at yahoo.com>
To: MyCars
<[66]mycars at comcast.net>, "[67]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
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What size wheel up front?
?LSJ
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Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for the
rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would
give
the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
Thanks in advance for your thoughts
Roy
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Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires
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I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This
would
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the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
Thanks in advance for your thoughts
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:13:05 -0700
From: Jack Donahue <[82]demongusta at gmail.com>
To: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <[83]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
Cc: "[84]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
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Terry - I don?t have the original radiator - I currently have a
Fluidyne with twin suckers, tilted forward, and A/C condenser in front.
Originally, I wanted to just add a shroud, based on a friend of mine
who does some serious off-road driving - he swears by a shroud - says
it really made a difference for him and that I should AT LEAST get one
for the whole ?Pantera-Heat-Prevention Program. That sounds good -
(PHPP). Anyway, the more I looked into things, the more I was
?converted" to brass/copper as it seems to be more reliable - and more
repairable (which I like).
jack
On Sep 16, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Himes, Terry (397C)
<[87]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
Jack,
Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. I'm
not going to change it
now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal with
it. So keep posting and
I will keep saving the responses. ;-)
Terry
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
Fax: (818) 393-3147
[88]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov <[89]mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
??
From: DeTomaso <[90]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
<[91]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of
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Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
To: "[94]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List
about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator,
since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I
have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t
broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol.
There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it
right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will
?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are
suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? -
sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL,
and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s
since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a
perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for
me.
So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
jack
#4348
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Terry - I don't have the original radiator - I currently have a
Fluidyne with twin suckers, tilted forward, and A/C condenser in
front.
Originally, I wanted to just add a shroud, based on a friend of
mine
who does some serious off-road driving - he swears by a shroud -
says
it really made a difference for him and that I should AT LEAST get
one
for the whole "Pantera-Heat-Prevention Program. That sounds good -
(PHPP). Anyway, the more I looked into things, the more I was
"converted" to brass/copper as it seems to be more reliable - and
more
repairable (which I like).
jack
On Sep 16, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Himes, Terry (397C)
<[1][106]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
Jack,
Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new
fans. I'm
not going to change it
now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal
with
it. So keep posting and
I will keep saving the responses. ;-)
Terry
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
Fax: (818) 393-3147
[2][107]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
From: DeTomaso <[3][108]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
on behalf
of Jack Donahue <[4][109]demongusta at gmail.com>
Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
To: "[5][110]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
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Cc: "[7][112]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<[8][113]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List
about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall
radiator,
since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike
Drew, I
have to admit it's because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It
ain't
broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn't want to admit that,
but...Lol.
There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don't want to
mention it
right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they
will
"build-to-suit" - but the Hall unit looks to be
"tried-and-proven".
Now - fans. I really don't know the brand name of my fans, but
they are
suckers - about 12" diameter - and the blades are "curved" -
sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah,
SPAL,
and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone's post about the Flex-a-lite's
since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is
a
perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal
for
me.
So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
jack
#4348
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:17:31 -0700
From: Jack Donahue <[126]demongusta at gmail.com>
To: [127]GR2835 at comcast.net
Cc: "[128]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<[129]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
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There-in lies one of my problems - I could never MAKE a shroud. I wish
I could - maybe out of foil-wrap. I will check out that website,
thanks.
On Sep 16, 2016, at 10:07 AM, [131]GR2835 at comcast.net wrote:
Pantera Electronics has recommended fans with part numbers under the
fan controller button on their website.
I have a stock radiator that was modified for lay down and air
conditioning condenser up front........I have a fan shroud that I made
and mounted the 2 sucker fans. 192 thermostat ran 192 in a 14 mile
traffic jam last year that.took me 90 minutes to get
through.......temperature was 98 degrees leaving the 2015 Woodward
Cruise...........my wife complained that she was too cold with the air
set on the warmest setting.
Good luck
Gerry in Illinois
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From: Jack Donahue <[132]demongusta at gmail.com>
To: [133]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Cc: [134]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Sent: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:29:46 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List
about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator,
since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I
have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t
broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol.
There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it
right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will
?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are
suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? -
sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL,
and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s
since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a
perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for
me.
So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
jack
#4348
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 11:24:26 -0700
From: Larry Stock <[137]larrys at panteraparts.com>
To: Jack Donahue <[138]demongusta at gmail.com>
Cc: "[139]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<[140]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
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Hi Jack,
You should be able to use the fans off the Fluidyne, if not we have our
Maridyne system fans and our own bracket kit and if you need shrouds
for a
full lie-down system, we have those too. Typically we recommend our
half
Lay forward system which minimizes the thru air turbulence.
11041B Defl. Rad. S.S. Lay down for kit $95.00
11042B Stainless deflector right $65.00
11043B Stainless deflector left $65.00
11055B Radiator Puller Fan Shroud SS Mounting brackets set of 3 $125.00
11055P PPC Puller Fans & Shroud Assy $325.00
If the Hall Brass radiator has the stock quick 90 degree hard radiator
tubes installed, you will not be able to mount a puller fan shroud
under
those tubes, if it has the straight out tubes then you can use 90
degree
molded rubber hoses to clear the Puller shroud like your Fluidyne.
Larry Stock
Pantera Parts Connection LC
550 Mallory Way
Carson City NV 89701
www.PanteraParts.com<[142]http://www.PanteraParts.com>
PH 775-283-4411
Fax 775-283-4410
Cell 1-800-DeTomaso 800-338-6627
On 9/16/16, 9:29 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jack Donahue"
<[143]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[144]demongusta at gmail.com> wrote:
Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List
about radiators
- all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted
brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit
it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I
am
fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an
ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I
ran
my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but
the
Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are
suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? -
sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL,
and
Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since
they
said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match
for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part
number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me.
So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
jack
#4348
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:09:55 -0500
From: Cullen McCann <[147]cmccann1972 at gmail.com>
To: [148]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out
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Good afternoon!
Has anyone installed the McLeod hydraulic throwout bearing that they
say is
Pantera specific for the ZF, and what was your experience? I've had a
fantastic experience with them on another performance car application.
[150]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22
Thank you!!
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Good afternoon!
Has anyone installed the McLeod hydraulic throwout bearing that
they
say is Pantera specific for the ZF, and what was your experience?
I've
had a fantastic experience with them on another performance car
application.
[1][151]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22
Thank you!!
References
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 19:27:46 +0000 (UTC)
From: Ken Green <[153]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
To: Jack Donahue <[154]demongusta at gmail.com>,
"[155]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<[156]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
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Jack,
??? You should be able to find the fan and shroud here:
[158]https://www.flex-a-lite.com/electric-fans/12-volt-electric-fans/un
iversal/primary-fans.html
From: Jack Donahue <[159]demongusta at gmail.com>
To: "[160]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<[161]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
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Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about?
radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I
wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.? And, yes Mike Drew, I have to
admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke,
but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There
really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right
now; but I ran my idea past? Brassworks? - who says they will
?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are
suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved?? -
sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL,
and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s
since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a
perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
offered-up? a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for
me.
So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
jack
#4348
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Jack,
You should be able to find the fan and shroud here:
[1][166]https://www.flex-a-lite.com/electric-fans/12-volt-electric-fans
/univ
ersal/primary-fans.html
__________________________________________________________________
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To: "[168]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
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Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about
radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator,
since I
wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I
have to
admit itas because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ainat
broke,
but I am fixing it(?). Didnat want to admit that, but...Lol. There
really is an ulterior motive, but I just donat want to mention it
right
now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will
abuild-to-suita - but the Hall unit looks to be
atried-and-provena.
Now - fans. I really donat know the brand name of my fans, but
they are
suckers - about 12a diameter - and the blades are acurveda -
sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah,
SPAL,
and Flex-a-lite. I had read someoneas post about the Flex-a-liteas
since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is
a
perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal
for
me.
So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
jack
#4348
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 12:35:17 -0700
From: Larry Finch <[177]fresnofinches at aol.com>
To: Email List Address For Posting
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Subject: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out
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Cullen,
2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it in
2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most
recently did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I
spoke with and ordered directly from McLeod.
My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout
spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had
on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting
where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of
course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line
attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up
very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking
outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild
kit I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous
invoice. What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current
unit which uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately
determined that for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing
McLeod has used exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no
suffix such as a ? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem
within the company. No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the
first two generations.
While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the
task of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting
and unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but
pull the transaxle and start all over again.
The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as has
been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine.
Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my
experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that
road for themselves.
Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory
details.
Larry
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 12:50:41 -0700
From: MyCars <[180]mycars at comcast.net>
To: LSJ <[181]lashdeep at yahoo.com>,
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
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Going off memory (my car is still in Seattle) I am in San Diego area.
They are 15" Aluminum Weld 5-spoke rims, that I believe are about 9.5"
wide.
On 9/16/2016 10:08 AM, LSJ wrote:
What size wheel up front?
LSJ
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*Subject:* [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for the
rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would
give
the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
Thanks in advance for your thoughts
Roy
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Going off memory (my car is still in Seattle) I am in San Diego
area.
They are 15" Aluminum Weld 5-spoke rims, that I believe are about
9.5"
wide.
On 9/16/2016 10:08 AM, LSJ wrote:
What size wheel up front?
LSJ
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Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires
for the
rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This
would
give
the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
Thanks in advance for your thoughts
Roy
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 13:00:36 -0700
From: MyCars <[202]mycars at comcast.net>
To: [203]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
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I just checked Weld's website
[205]http://weldwheels.com/shop/street-strip/sport-forged-wheels/prosta
r.html
They do not offer a 15" rim 9.5" wide, so I would guess they are 9"
wide
On 9/16/2016 12:50 PM, MyCars wrote:
Going off memory (my car is still in Seattle) I am in San Diego
area.
They are 15" Aluminum Weld 5-spoke rims, that I believe are about
9.5"
wide.
On 9/16/2016 10:08 AM, LSJ wrote:
What size wheel up front?
LSJ
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Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires
for the
rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This
would
give
the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
Thanks in advance for your thoughts
Roy
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I just checked Weld's website
[1][218]http://weldwheels.com/shop/street-strip/sport-forged-wheels/pro
star.
html
They do not offer a 15" rim 9.5" wide, so I would guess they are
9"
wide
On 9/16/2016 12:50 PM, MyCars wrote:
Going off memory (my car is still in Seattle) I am in San Diego
area.
They are 15" Aluminum Weld 5-spoke rims, that I believe are about
9.5"
wide.
On 9/16/2016 10:08 AM, LSJ wrote:
What size wheel up front?
LSJ
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Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM
Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires
for the
rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This
would
give
the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
Thanks in advance for your thoughts
Roy
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:26:27 -0400
From: Will Kooiman <[244]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
To: Larry Finch <[245]fresnofinches at aol.com>, Email List Address For
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out
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Wow.
I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily
available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium. Rather than building a
new
bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
--
Will
On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
<[248]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Cullen,
2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it in
2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most
recently
did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with
and ordered directly from McLeod.
My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout
spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had
on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting
where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of
course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line
attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up
very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking
outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild
kit
I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous
invoice.
What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit
which
uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined
that
for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used
exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as
a
? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the
company.
No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two generations.
While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the
task
of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and
unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull
the
transaxle and start all over again.
The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as has
been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine.
Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my
experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that
road for themselves.
Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory
details.
Larry
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 15:50:41 -0500
From: Cullen McCann <[251]cmccann1972 at gmail.com>
To: Will Kooiman <[252]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
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Thank you Larry. You answered my question perfectly. I am like Will, I
have
one on my Cobra as well, with a ford Top Loader and its been there for
several years and Ive always loved it. I actually bought one that was
"new"
but several generations old, and when I called McLeod to inquire about
fresh O-rings, they sent me a brand new unit just to "ensure a positive
experience". I installed it with a performance clutch and a
scattershield,
bled it according to the instructions and that was about 4 years ago.
Havent had a lick of trouble. (knocking on wood now).
the frame rails on my cobra are 24" apart and I couldn't fit the clutch
fork between the side of the bellhousing and the frame rail, and ive
had a
bad experience with performance clutches and cables breaking in the
past...so I went the hydraulic route and have loved it.
however... I will certainly consider carefully this drama as I set up
my P
car. I have a plan B with an external slave also, if I choose not to
use
the factory unit. Thank you sir.
Cullen
On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Will Kooiman
<[256]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
wrote:
Wow.
I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily
available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium. Rather than building a
new
bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
--
Will
On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
<[257]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Cullen,
2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it in
2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most
recently
did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with
and ordered directly from McLeod.
My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout
spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had
on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting
where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of
course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line
attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up
very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking
outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild
kit
I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous
invoice.
What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit
which
uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined
that
for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used
exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as
a
? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the
company.
No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two generations.
While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the
task
of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and
unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull
the
transaxle and start all over again.
The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as has
been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine.
Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my
experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that
road for themselves.
Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory
details.
Larry
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Thank you Larry. You answered my question perfectly. I am like
Will, I
have one on my Cobra as well, with a ford Top Loader and its been
there
for several years and Ive always loved it. I actually bought one
that
was "new" but several generations old, and when I called McLeod to
inquire about fresh O-rings, they sent me a brand new unit just to
"ensure a positive experience". I installed it with a performance
clutch and a scattershield, bled it according to the instructions
and
that was about 4 years ago. Havent had a lick of
trouble.A (knocking
on wood now).
the frame rails on my cobra are 24" apart and I couldn't fit the
clutch
fork between the side of the bellhousing and the frame rail, and
ive
had a bad experience with performance clutches and cables breaking
in
the past...so I went the hydraulic route and have loved it.
however... I will certainly consider carefully this drama as I set
up
my P car. I have a plan B with an external slave also, if I choose
not
to use the factory unit.A Thank you sir.
Cullen
On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Will Kooiman
<[1][262]will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
Wow.
I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was
readily
available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium.A Rather than
building a new
bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
--
Will
On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
<[2][263]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>Cullen,
>
>2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased
it
in
>2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most
recently
>did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke
with
>and ordered directly from McLeod.
>
>My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
>
>The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input
snout
>spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I
still
had
>on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90ADEG
fitting
>where one should have used a 45ADEG fitting, twisted itself,
unseen of
>course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard
line
>attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't
hold
up
>very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
>
>The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long,
sticking
>outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
>
>Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same
rebuild
kit
>I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous
invoice.
>What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current
unit
which
>uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately
determined
that
>for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has
used
>exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix
such as
a
>A A or a AB which to me seems indicative of a problem within the
company.
>No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two
generations.
>
>While you have some experience in using one of these previously,
the
task
>of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting
and
>unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but
pull
the
>transaxle and start all over again.
>
>The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and
as
has
>been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just
fine.
>Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based
on my
>experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down
that
>road for themselves.
>
>Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the
gory
>details.
>
>Larry
>
>Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 13:53:15 -0700
From: Larry Stock <[274]larrys at panteraparts.com>
To: Will Kooiman <[275]will.kooiman at gmail.com>, Larry Finch
<[276]fresnofinches at aol.com>, Email List Address For Posting
<[277]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out
Message-ID: <[278]D401A883.17A144%larrys at panteraparts.com>
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The basic problem is that the bell housing is too confined and not
ventilated well enough to dissipate the heat. The Superformance is
using a
Quick Time bell housing that has much more ventilation than the
DeTomaso
Bell housing. Just another reason not to run those Plugs that some
vendors
offer, that close off the inspection hole at the left hand top of the
bell
housing. That is the only heat dissipation vent there is.
Larry
On 9/16/16, 1:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman"
<[279]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[280]will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
Wow.
I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily
available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium. Rather than building a
new
bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
--
Will
On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
<[281]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Cullen,
2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it in
2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most
recently
did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with
and ordered directly from McLeod.
My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout
spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had
on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting
where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of
course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line
attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up
very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking
outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild
kit
I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous
invoice.
What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit
which
uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined
that
for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used
exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as
a
? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the
company.
No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two generations.
While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the
task
of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and
unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull
the
transaxle and start all over again.
The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as has
been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine.
Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my
experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that
road for themselves.
Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory
details.
Larry
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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:11:22 -0700
From: Mike Drew <[286]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: David Nunn <[287]dnunn at telus.net>
Cc: "<[288]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
<[289]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
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All,
Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note there
is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat firewall
kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
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Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <[292]dnunn at telus.net> wrote:
Rob,
If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit. It
eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
adjustable.
It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on IPSCO's
web
site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and
belt
tensioning a breeze.
[1][293]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
References
1. [294]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 21:16:34 +0000
From: Julian Kift <[297]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: David Nunn <[298]dnunn at telus.net>, Mike Drew
<[299]MikeLDrew at aol.com>,
"[300]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
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Mike,
It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again, the one
that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location, but was
adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench on
the rear.
Julian
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Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM
To: David Nunn
Cc: <[305]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
All,
Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note there
is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat firewall
kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
[cid:[306]da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.co
m]
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <[307]dnunn at telus.net> wrote:
Rob,
If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit. It
eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
adjustable.
It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on IPSCO's
web
site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and
belt
tensioning a breeze.
[1][308]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
References
1. [309]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
[[310]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.jpg]<http://w
ww.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm>
Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking
...<[311]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm>
www.ipsco.org<[312]http://www.ipsco.org>
Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler Pulley,
this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench behind
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Mike,
It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again, the
one
that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location,
but was
adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench
on
the rear.
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
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Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[318]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM
To: David Nunn
Cc: <[319]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
All,
Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note
there
is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat
firewall
kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
[cid:[320]da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.co
m]
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <[321]dnunn at telus.net>
wrote:
> Rob,
>
> If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's
kit. It
> eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
adjustable.
> It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on
IPSCO's
web
> site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
>
> Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation
and
belt
> tensioning a breeze.
>
>
[1][322]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
>
> References
>
> 1.
[1][323]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
[2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg]
[3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ...
www.ipsco.org<[324]http://www.ipsco.org>
Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler
Pulley,
this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench
behind
the bracket to tighten in ...
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:18:39 -0700
From: Mike Drew <[335]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: Julian Kift <[336]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: David Nunn <[337]dnunn at telus.net>,
"[338]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
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Julian,
Yes, he mentioned two different products for different applications but
only had a link for the stock replacement idler. My photo shows the
idler that replaces the alternator to tension the water pump belt.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 16, 2016, at 14:16, Julian Kift <[341]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:
Mike,
It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again, the
one
that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location, but
was
adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench
on
the rear.
Julian
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From: DeTomaso <[342]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
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Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM
To: David Nunn
Cc: <[344]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
All,
Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note
there
is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat
firewall
kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
[cid:[345]da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outloo
k.com]
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <[346]dnunn at telus.net>
wrote:
Rob,
If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit. It
eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
adjustable.
It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on IPSCO's
web
site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and
belt
tensioning a breeze.
[1][347]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
References
1. [1][348]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
[2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg]
[3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ...
www.ipsco.org<[349]http://www.ipsco.org>
Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler
Pulley,
this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench
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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:19:14 -0700
From: Larry Finch <[361]fresnofinches at aol.com>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out
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Heat?
As I previously wrote, I have over 50,000 miles using one of the McLeod
systems.
Those 50,000 miles have all been WITH a black plastic plug in the hole
that some wish to call a ventilation hole rather than an inspection
hole. Your choice, I don't really care.
Whatever heat issues may or may not be present, with or without a plug,
have never appeared to be an issue in any way, shape or form in my many
years of experience.
I am all ears if Larry or anyone else has history that supports a
failure of the McLeod unit from excessive heat.
Larry
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On Sep 16, 2016, at 1:53 PM, Larry Stock <[364]larrys at panteraparts.com>
wrote:
The basic problem is that the bell housing is too confined and not
ventilated well enough to dissipate the heat. The Superformance is
using a
Quick Time bell housing that has much more ventilation than the
DeTomaso
Bell housing. Just another reason not to run those Plugs that some
vendors
offer, that close off the inspection hole at the left hand top of the
bell
housing. That is the only heat dissipation vent there is.
Larry
On 9/16/16, 1:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman"
<[365]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[366]will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
Wow.
I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily
available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium. Rather than building a
new
bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
--
Will
On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
<[367]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Cullen,
2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it in
2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most
recently
did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with
and ordered directly from McLeod.
My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout
spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had
on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting
where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of
course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line
attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up
very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking
outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild
kit
I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous
invoice.
What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit
which
uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined
that
for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used
exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as
a
A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the company.
No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two generations.
While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the
task
of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and
unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull
the
transaxle and start all over again.
The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as has
been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine.
Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my
experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that
road for themselves.
Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory
details.
Larry
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:38:06 -0500
From: Cullen McCann <[372]cmccann1972 at gmail.com>
To: Larry Stock <[373]larrys at panteraparts.com>
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well, I have the quicktime bellhousing for the ZF on 4653. I forgot to
mention that. Also didn't consider it would be relevant. hmmmm.
On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Larry Stock
<[377]larrys at panteraparts.com>
wrote:
The basic problem is that the bell housing is too confined and not
ventilated well enough to dissipate the heat. The Superformance is
using a
Quick Time bell housing that has much more ventilation than the
DeTomaso
Bell housing. Just another reason not to run those Plugs that some
vendors
offer, that close off the inspection hole at the left hand top of the
bell
housing. That is the only heat dissipation vent there is.
Larry
On 9/16/16, 1:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman"
<[378]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[379]will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
Wow.
I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily
available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium. Rather than building a
new
bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
--
Will
On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
<[380]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Cullen,
2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it in
2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most
recently
did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with
and ordered directly from McLeod.
My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout
spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had
on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting
where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of
course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line
attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up
very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking
outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild
kit
I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous
invoice.
What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit
which
uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined
that
for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used
exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as
a
? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the
company.
No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two generations.
While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the
task
of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and
unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull
the
transaxle and start all over again.
The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as has
been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine.
Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my
experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that
road for themselves.
Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory
details.
Larry
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well, I have the quicktime bellhousing for the ZF on 4653. I
forgot to
mention that. Also didn't consider it would be relevant. hmmmm.
On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Larry Stock
<[1][387]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
The basic problem is that the bell housing is too confined and
not
ventilated well enough to dissipate the heat. The Superformance
is
using a
Quick Time bell housing that has much more ventilation than the
DeTomaso
Bell housing. Just another reason not to run those Plugs that
some
vendors
offer, that close off the inspection hole at the left hand top
of
the bell
housing. That is the only heat dissipation vent there is.
Larry
On 9/16/16, 1:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman"
<[2][388]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[3][389]will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
>Wow.
>
>I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
>
>My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was
readily
>available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium.A Rather than
building a new
>bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
>
>At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
>
>--
>Will
>
>
>
>
>
>On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
><[4][390]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
>>Cullen,
>>
>>2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I
purchased
it in
>>2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and
most
recently
>>did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I
spoke
with
>>and ordered directly from McLeod.
>>
>>My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
>>
>>The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input
snout
>>spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I
still had
>>on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its
90ADEG
fitting
>>where one should have used a 45ADEG fitting, twisted itself,
unseen of
>>course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the
hard
line
>>attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines
don't
hold up
>>very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
>>
>>The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long,
sticking
>>outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
>>
>>Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same
rebuild kit
>>I had previously used, using the same number off of the
previous
invoice.
>>What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current
unit
which
>>uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately
determined that
>>for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod
has
used
>>exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix
such as a
>>A A or a AB which to me seems indicative of a problem within
the
company.
>>No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two
generations.
>>
>>While you have some experience in using one of these
previously,
the task
>>of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite
exacting
and
>>unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do
but
pull the
>>transaxle and start all over again.
>>
>>The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings
and
as has
>>been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works
just
fine.
>>Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and
based
on my
>>experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture
down
that
>>road for themselves.
>>
>>Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of
the
gory
>>details.
>>
>>Larry
>>
>>Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 21:46:51 +0000
From: michael frazier <[407]red3644 at hotmail.com>
To: "[408]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<[409]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC, Need transmission suggestions
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Hi All,
I?m putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road. It sat in a barn since
1961 and only has 25k miles,
but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted
out. Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will
remain. The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete
Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.
I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want an
overdrive transmission. Manual or
automatic, either one. It won?t be drag raced but will be used
regularly and would likely be run in an
open road race some time. That?s the reason for the overdrive.
I?ve been out of this part of the game for a while and was wondering
what would work well.
What would bolt up and work. What would it come out of?
Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Michael
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Hi All,
I'm putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road. It sat in a barn
since
1961 and only has 25k miles,
but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out.
Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will
remain. The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete
Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.
I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and
want an
overdrive transmission. Manual or
automatic, either one. It won't be drag raced but will be used
regularly and would likely be run in an
open road race some time. That's the reason for the overdrive.
I've been out of this part of the game for a while and was
wondering
what would work well.
What would bolt up and work. What would it come out of?
Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Michael
Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10
References
1. [412]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 15:04:46 -0700
From: "David Nunn" <[413]dnunn at telus.net>
To: "'Mike Drew'" <[414]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, "'Julian Kift'"
<[415]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: [416]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
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Julian,
Further to what Mike wrote; here's a photo of the front of my engine,
with
both IPSCO items installed.
David
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Sent: September 16, 2016 2:19 PM
To: Julian Kift <[419]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: David Nunn <[420]dnunn at telus.net>;
[421]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
Julian,
Yes, he mentioned two different products for different applications but
only
had a link for the stock replacement idler. My photo shows the idler
that
replaces the alternator to tension the water pump belt.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 16, 2016, at 14:16, Julian Kift <[422]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:
Mike,
It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again, the
one
that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location, but
was
adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench
on
the rear.
Julian
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From: DeTomaso <[423]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
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Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM
To: David Nunn
Cc: <[425]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
All,
Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note
there
is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat
firewall
kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
[cid:[426]da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outloo
k.com]
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <[427]dnunn at telus.net>
wrote:
Rob,
If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit. It
eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
adjustable.
It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on IPSCO's
web
site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and
belt
tensioning a breeze.
[1][428]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
References
1. [1][429]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
[2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg]
[3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ...
www.ipsco.org<[430]http://www.ipsco.org>
Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler
Pulley,
this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench
behind
the bracket to tighten in ...
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:26:53 -0600
From: bill <[443]bill at incendium.com>
To: michael frazier <[444]red3644 at hotmail.com>,
"[445]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
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Michael:Screw that put a Ford flat head V8 in that suckered.?
CheersBill MooreCalgary
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[449]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC, Need
transmission suggestions
Hi All,
I?m putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road.? It sat in a barn since
1961 and only has 25k miles,
but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out.?
Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will
remain.? The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete
Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.
I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want an
overdrive transmission.? Manual or
automatic, either one.? It won?t be drag raced but will be used
regularly and would likely be run in an
open road race some time.? That?s the reason for the overdrive.
I?ve been out of this part of the game for a while and was wondering
what would work well.
What would bolt up and work.? What would it come out of?
Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Michael
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?? Hi All,
?? I'm putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road.? It sat in a barn
since
?? 1961 and only has 25k miles,
?? but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out.
?? Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will
?? remain.? The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete
?? Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.
?? I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want
an
?? overdrive transmission.? Manual or
?? automatic, either one.? It won't be drag raced but will be used
?? regularly and would likely be run in an
?? open road race some time.? That's the reason for the overdrive.
?? I've been out of this part of the game for a while and was wondering
?? what would work well.
?? What would bolt up and work.? What would it come out of?
?? Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
?? Michael
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Michael:
Screw that put a Ford flat head V8 in that suckered.
Cheers
Bill Moore
Calgary
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Date: 2016-09-16 3:46 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: [455]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC, Need transmission suggestions
Hi All,
I'm putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road. It sat in a barn
since
1961 and only has 25k miles,
but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out.
Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will
remain. The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete
Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.
I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and
want an
overdrive transmission. Manual or
automatic, either one. It won't be drag raced but will be used
regularly and would likely be run in an
open road race some time. That's the reason for the overdrive.
I've been out of this part of the game for a while and was
wondering
what would work well.
What would bolt up and work. What would it come out of?
Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Michael
Sent from
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Hi All,
I'm putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road. It sat in a
barn
since
1961 and only has 25k miles,
but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out.
Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will
remain. The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a
complete
Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.
I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and
want
an
overdrive transmission. Manual or
automatic, either one. It won't be drag raced but will be used
regularly and would likely be run in an
open road race some time. That's the reason for the overdrive.
I've been out of this part of the game for a while and was
wondering
what would work well.
What would bolt up and work. What would it come out of?
Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Michael
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:31:46 -0600
From: bill <[460]bill at incendium.com>
To: David Nunn <[461]dnunn at telus.net>, 'Mike Drew'
<[462]MikeLDrew at aol.com>,
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Wow !,,,,
That looks to nice to cover up.....
CheersBill MooreCalgary
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Drew' <[467]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, 'Julian Kift'
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[469]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden
Compressors noises
Julian,
Further to what Mike wrote; here's a photo of the front of my engine,
with
both IPSCO items installed.
David
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Drew [[470]mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com]
Sent: September 16, 2016 2:19 PM
To: Julian Kift <[471]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: David Nunn <[472]dnunn at telus.net>;
[473]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
Julian,
Yes, he mentioned two different products for different applications but
only
had a link for the stock replacement idler. My photo shows the idler
that
replaces the alternator to tension the water pump belt.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 16, 2016, at 14:16, Julian Kift <[474]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:
?? Mike,
?? It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again, the
one
?? that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location, but
was
?? adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench on
?? the rear.
?? Julian
???? __________________________________________________________________
?? From: DeTomaso <[475]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
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?? Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[476]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
?? Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM
?? To: David Nunn
?? Cc: <[477]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
?? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
?? All,
?? Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note
there
?? is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat firewall
?? kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
??
[cid:[478]da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.co
m]
?? Mike
?? Sent from my iPhone
?? On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <[479]dnunn at telus.net>
wrote:
? Rob,
? If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit. It?
eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
?? adjustable.
? It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on IPSCO's
?? web
? site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
? Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and
?? belt
? tensioning a breeze.
? [1][480]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
References
? 1. [1][481]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
?? [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg]
?? [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ...
?? www.ipsco.org<[482]http://www.ipsco.org>
?? Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler
Pulley,
?? this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench
behind
?? the bracket to tighten in ...
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?? 2. [488]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
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Wow !,,,,
That looks to nice to cover up.....
Cheers
Bill Moore
Calgary
-------- Original message --------
From: David Nunn <[496]dnunn at telus.net>
Date: 2016-09-16 4:04 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: 'Mike Drew' <[497]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, 'Julian Kift'
<[498]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: [499]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
Julian,
Further to what Mike wrote; here's a photo of the front of my
engine,
with
both IPSCO items installed.
David
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Drew [[500]mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com]
Sent: September 16, 2016 2:19 PM
To: Julian Kift <[501]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: David Nunn <[502]dnunn at telus.net>;
[503]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
Julian,
Yes, he mentioned two different products for different
applications but
only
had a link for the stock replacement idler. My photo shows the
idler
that
replaces the alternator to tension the water pump belt.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 16, 2016, at 14:16, Julian Kift
<[504]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Mike,
>
> It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again,
the
one
> that was previously linked appears to go in the stock
location, but
was
> adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a
wrench
on
> the rear.
> Julian
>
__________________________________________________________________
>
> From: DeTomaso <[505]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
on behalf
of
> Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[506]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM
> To: David Nunn
> Cc: <[507]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
>
> All,
> Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup.
Note
there
> is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat
firewall
> kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
>
[cid:[508]da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.co
m]
> Mike
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <[509]dnunn at telus.net>
wrote:
>> Rob,
>>
>> If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's
kit.
It
>> eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
> adjustable.
>> It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on
IPSCO's
> web
>> site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
>>
>> Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation
and
> belt
>> tensioning a breeze.
>>
>> [1][510]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1.
[1][511]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
> [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg]
> [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking
...
> www.ipsco.org<[512]http://www.ipsco.org>
> Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler
Pulley,
> this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench
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> the bracket to tighten in ...
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