[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19
Jerry Knotts
knottsj at galstar.com
Mon Sep 19 09:46:01 EDT 2016
When I bought my first Pantera in 2000 I had a heating problem at the
track. When It would puke about 1/2 gal of coolant it would overheat
and was hell to try and keep cool. It would sometimes suck the full
puke tank back in as it cooled and work for a few laps then overheat
again. I would refill the unit belch it at the radiator and it would
work again for a while.
After a couple of disappointing track days, I was under the car and
followed the radiator lines forward. The engine return was routed from
the top of the radiator. I found that when the car was rebuilt some
years before they had replaced the radiator with a "Chevy" style
radiator which had the lines reversed. My engine return was from the
top of the radiator and the engine hot was going to the bottom of the
radiator. Rearranged different radiator hook up hoses and it has been
fine since.
Sometimes the obvious isn't
jerry knotts
On 9/17/2016 9:56 AM, Julian Kift wrote:
> It's great to hear that you now have a functioning cooling system,
> although I have to wonder which of the particular changes contributed
> most, I suspect the thermostat housing being blocked off was a bulk of
> the problem.
>
> I had a similar experience when I got my first Pantera, it overheated
> in traffic, so I jumped on the web found all these articles about
> swapping radiators and fans etc. and duly went and purchased a setup.
> When I got to going through the car checking the thermostat I found it
> was a Windsor style, I swapped it for the correct Cleveland t-stat and
> voila heating issues resolved.
>
> It's just a reminder to check the simple stuff prior to laying out big
> $$$, even now I think there are still a lot of myths' perpetuated about
> these cars... like someone once said "why let the truth get in the way
> of a good story"
>
> Julian
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
> Owen Cooke <owen at tadhgcooke.com>
> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 2:19 AM
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19
>
> guys
> i had overheating problems
> i put in a new hall brass rad but my car had bleed pipe from the rad
> back to the swirl tank and no fitting in halls rad for it apart from a
> top bleed screw
> so i made a junction to fit the original bleed screw and the bleed pipe
> to it
> then new mariah (is that the right name) that fir on the stock
> brackets
> and wired them directly from the battery to the relays
> i found the hole under the thermostat was blocked with solder
> i removed that and fitted a new stat
> now all is perfect temp wise - warms up steady and holds the 90c or
> 195f in all conditions
> my gauge with sender in block beside the pump/stat ready 150f but its
> steady and i know what to expect
> very happy with result
> owen cooke
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> > 1. Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue)
> > 2. Re: Fans and shroud (Himes, Terry (397C))
> > 3. Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars)
> > 4. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (LSJ)
> > 5. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue)
> > 6. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue)
> > 7. Re: Fans and shroud (Larry Stock)
> > 8. McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann)
> > 9. Re: Fans and shroud (Ken Green)
> > 10. McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Finch)
> > 11. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars)
> > 12. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars)
> > 13. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Will Kooiman)
> > 14. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann)
> > 15. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Stock)
> > 16. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Mike Drew)
> > 17. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Julian Kift)
> > 18. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Mike Drew)
> > 19. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Finch)
> > 20. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann)
> > 21. NPC, Need transmission suggestions (michael frazier)
> > 22. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (David Nunn)
> > 23. Re: NPC, Need transmission suggestions (bill)
> > 24. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (bill)
> >
> >
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 09:29:46 -0700
> > From: Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com>
> > To: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> > <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> > <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
> > Message-ID: <CF682A66-9CF9-422E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC at gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >
> > Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about
> radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I
> wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to
> admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke,
> but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There
> really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right
> now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will
> ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
> > Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they
> are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? -
> sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL,
> and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s
> since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a
> perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
> offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for
> me.
> > So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
> > jack
> > #4348
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:54:05 +0000
> > From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
> > To: Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com>,
> > "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
> > Message-ID: <D4016E9F.92F3B%thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Jack,
> >
> > Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans.
> I'm not going to change it
> > now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal
> with it. So keep posting and
> > I will keep saving the responses. ;-)
> >
> > Terry
> >
> >
> >
> > "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
> > stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
> >
> > Terry W. Himes
> > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
> > Dawn Spacecraft Team
> > Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
> > Phone: (818) 393-6261
> > Cell: (818) 653-8213
> > Fax: (818) 393-3147
> > thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<[3]mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
> > ??
> >
> > From: DeTomaso
> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at serve
> r.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Jack Donahue
> <demongusta at gmail.com<mailto:demongusta at gmail.com>>
> > Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
> > To:
> "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
> om>"
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
> om>>
> > Cc:
> "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
> om>"
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
> om>>
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
> >
> > Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about
> radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I
> wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to
> admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke,
> but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There
> really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right
> now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will
> ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
> > Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they
> are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? -
> sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL,
> and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s
> since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a
> perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
> offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for
> me.
> > So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
> > jack
> > #4348
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> > Jack,
> > Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new
> fans. I'm
> > not going to change it
> > now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal
> with
> > it. So keep posting and
> > I will keep saving the responses. ;-)
> > Terry
> >
> > "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
> >
> > stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
> >
> > Terry W. Himes
> >
> > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
> >
> > Dawn Spacecraft Team
> >
> > Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
> >
> > Phone: (818) 393-6261
> >
> > Cell: (818) 653-8213
> >
> > Fax: (818) 393-3147
> >
> > [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
> >
> > From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
> behalf
> > of Jack Donahue <[3]demongusta at gmail.com>
> > Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
> > To: "[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> > <[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > Cc: "[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> > <[7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
> >
> > Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List
> > about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall
> radiator,
> > since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike
> Drew, I
> > have to admit it's because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It
> ain't
> > broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn't want to admit that,
> but...Lol.
> > There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don't want to
> mention it
> > right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they
> will
> > "build-to-suit" - but the Hall unit looks to be
> "tried-and-proven".
> > Now - fans. I really don't know the brand name of my fans, but
> they are
> > suckers - about 12" diameter - and the blades are "curved" -
> > sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah,
> SPAL,
> > and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone's post about the
> Flex-a-lite's
> > since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that
> is a
> > perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
> > offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal
> for
> > me.
> > So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
> > jack
> > #4348
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> > ------------------------------
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> > Message: 3
> > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:03:20 -0700
> > From: MyCars <mycars at comcast.net>
> > To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
> > Message-ID: <6fa00360-0d5e-3618-1132-2455f7b0aca2 at comcast.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> >
> > I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for
> the
> > rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
> >
> > I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would
> give
> > the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
> >
> > Thanks in advance for your thoughts
> >
> > Roy
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 17:08:50 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: LSJ <lashdeep at yahoo.com>
> > To: MyCars <mycars at comcast.net>, "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> > <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
> > Message-ID: <1287234121.1004140.1474045730621 at mail.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > What size wheel up front?
> > ?LSJ
> >
> > central wines-spirits?? est 1934
> >
> > 625 e street nw
> > washington, dc 20004
> > centralwines.com
> >
> > facebook.com/CentralLiquors
> >
> > 202-737-2800
> >
> >
> >
> > From: MyCars <mycars at comcast.net>
> > To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
> >
> > I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for
> the
> > rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
> >
> > I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would
> give
> > the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
> >
> > Thanks in advance for your thoughts
> >
> > Roy
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> > -------------- next part --------------
> > What size wheel up front?
> >
> > LSJ
> > central
> > wines-spirits est 1934
> > 625 e street nw
> > washington, dc 20004
> > [1]centralwines.com
> > [2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors
> > 202-737-2800
> >
> __________________________________________________________________
> >
> > From: MyCars <mycars at comcast.net>
> > To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
> > I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires
> for the
> > rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
> > I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This
> would
> > give
> > the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
> > Thanks in advance for your thoughts
> > Roy
> > _______________________________________________
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> > 1. [15]http://centralwines.com/
> > 2. [16]http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors
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> > 4. [18]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:13:05 -0700
> > From: Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com>
> > To: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
> > Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> > <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
> > Message-ID: <09791B61-DE0D-40CC-859D-437A8528952A at gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Terry - I don?t have the original radiator - I currently have a
> Fluidyne with twin suckers, tilted forward, and A/C condenser in front.
> Originally, I wanted to just add a shroud, based on a friend of mine
> who does some serious off-road driving - he swears by a shroud - says
> it really made a difference for him and that I should AT LEAST get one
> for the whole ?Pantera-Heat-Prevention Program. That sounds good -
> (PHPP). Anyway, the more I looked into things, the more I was
> ?converted" to brass/copper as it seems to be more reliable - and more
> repairable (which I like).
> > jack
> >
> >> On Sep 16, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Himes, Terry (397C)
> <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> >>
> >> Jack,
> >>
> >> Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans.
> I'm not going to change it
> >> now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal
> with it. So keep posting and
> >> I will keep saving the responses. ;-)
> >>
> >> Terry
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
> >> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
> >>
> >> Terry W. Himes
> >> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
> >> Dawn Spacecraft Team
> >> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
> >> Phone: (818) 393-6261
> >> Cell: (818) 653-8213
> >> Fax: (818) 393-3147
> >> thimes at jpl.nasa.gov <[19]mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
> >> ??
> >>
> >> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> <[20]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of
> Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com <[21]mailto:demongusta at gmail.com>>
> >> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
> >> To: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> <[22]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> <[23]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
> >> Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> <[24]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> <[25]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
> >>
> >> Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about
> radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I
> wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to
> admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke,
> but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There
> really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right
> now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will
> ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
> >> Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they
> are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? -
> sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL,
> and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s
> since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a
> perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
> offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for
> me.
> >> So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
> >> jack
> >> #4348
> >> _______________________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
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> > -------------- next part --------------
> > Terry - I don't have the original radiator - I currently have a
> > Fluidyne with twin suckers, tilted forward, and A/C condenser in
> front.
> > Originally, I wanted to just add a shroud, based on a friend of
> mine
> > who does some serious off-road driving - he swears by a shroud -
> says
> > it really made a difference for him and that I should AT LEAST
> get one
> > for the whole "Pantera-Heat-Prevention Program. That sounds good
> -
> > (PHPP). Anyway, the more I looked into things, the more I was
> > "converted" to brass/copper as it seems to be more reliable -
> and more
> > repairable (which I like).
> >
> > jack
> >
> > On Sep 16, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Himes, Terry (397C)
> > <[1]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> >
> > Jack,
> > Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new
> fans. I'm
> > not going to change it
> > now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal
> with
> > it. So keep posting and
> > I will keep saving the responses. ;-)
> > Terry
> > "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
> > stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
> > Terry W. Himes
> > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
> > Dawn Spacecraft Team
> > Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
> > Phone: (818) 393-6261
> > Cell: (818) 653-8213
> > Fax: (818) 393-3147
> > [2]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
> > From: DeTomaso <[3]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
> behalf
> > of Jack Donahue <[4]demongusta at gmail.com>
> > Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
> > To: "[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> > <[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > Cc: "[7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> > <[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
> > Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List
> > about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall
> radiator,
> > since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike
> Drew, I
> > have to admit it's because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It
> ain't
> > broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn't want to admit that,
> but...Lol.
> > There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don't want to
> mention it
> > right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they
> will
> > "build-to-suit" - but the Hall unit looks to be
> "tried-and-proven".
> > Now - fans. I really don't know the brand name of my fans, but
> they are
> > suckers - about 12" diameter - and the blades are "curved" -
> > sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah,
> SPAL,
> > and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone's post about the
> Flex-a-lite's
> > since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that
> is a
> > perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
> > offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal
> for
> > me.
> > So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
> > jack
> > #4348
> > _______________________________________________
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> > References
> >
> > 1. [29]mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
> > 2. [30]mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
> > 3. [31]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> > 4. [32]mailto:demongusta at gmail.com
> > 5. [33]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 6. [34]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 7. [35]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 8. [36]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 9. [37]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 10. [38]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:17:31 -0700
> > From: Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com>
> > To: GR2835 at comcast.net
> > Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> > <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
> > Message-ID: <2334BABE-726C-4D16-85EA-BB997B2B61CB at gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >
> > There-in lies one of my problems - I could never MAKE a shroud. I
> wish I could - maybe out of foil-wrap. I will check out that website,
> thanks.
> >
> >> On Sep 16, 2016, at 10:07 AM, GR2835 at comcast.net wrote:
> >>
> >> Pantera Electronics has recommended fans with part numbers under the
> fan controller button on their website.
> >> I have a stock radiator that was modified for lay down and air
> conditioning condenser up front........I have a fan shroud that I made
> and mounted the 2 sucker fans. 192 thermostat ran 192 in a 14 mile
> traffic jam last year that.took me 90 minutes to get
> through.......temperature was 98 degrees leaving the 2015 Woodward
> Cruise...........my wife complained that she was too cold with the air
> set on the warmest setting.
> >> Good luck
> >> Gerry in Illinois
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com>
> >> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> >> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> >> Sent: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:29:46 -0000 (UTC)
> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
> >>
> >> Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about
> radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I
> wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to
> admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke,
> but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There
> really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right
> now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will
> ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
> >> Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they
> are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? -
> sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL,
> and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s
> since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a
> perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
> offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for
> me.
> >> So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
> >> jack
> >> #4348
> >> _______________________________________________
> >>
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 11:24:26 -0700
> > From: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
> > To: Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com>
> > Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> > <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
> > Message-ID: <D4018324.17A0EF%larrys at panteraparts.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
> >
> > Hi Jack,
> >
> > You should be able to use the fans off the Fluidyne, if not we have
> our
> > Maridyne system fans and our own bracket kit and if you need shrouds
> for a
> > full lie-down system, we have those too. Typically we recommend our
> half
> > Lay forward system which minimizes the thru air turbulence.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 11041B Defl. Rad. S.S. Lay down for kit $95.00
> > 11042B Stainless deflector right $65.00
> > 11043B Stainless deflector left $65.00
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 11055B Radiator Puller Fan Shroud SS Mounting brackets set of 3
> $125.00
> > 11055P PPC Puller Fans & Shroud Assy $325.00
> >
> >
> >
> > If the Hall Brass radiator has the stock quick 90 degree hard
> radiator
> > tubes installed, you will not be able to mount a puller fan shroud
> under
> > those tubes, if it has the straight out tubes then you can use 90
> degree
> > molded rubber hoses to clear the Puller shroud like your Fluidyne.
> >
> > Larry Stock
> >
> > Pantera Parts Connection LC
> > 550 Mallory Way
> > Carson City NV 89701
> > [40]www.PanteraParts.com
> > PH 775-283-4411
> > Fax 775-283-4410
> > Cell 1-800-DeTomaso 800-338-6627
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9/16/16, 9:29 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jack Donahue"
> > <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> > demongusta at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about
> radiators
> >> - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted
> >> brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to
> admit
> >> it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but
> I am
> >> fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is
> an
> >> ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but
> I ran
> >> my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but
> the
> >> Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
> >> Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they
> are
> >> suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? -
> >> sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL,
> and
> >> Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since
> they
> >> said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect
> match
> >> for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a
> part
> >> number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me.
> >> So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
> >> jack
> >> #4348
> >> _______________________________________________
> >>
> >>
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> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:09:55 -0500
> > From: Cullen McCann <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>
> > To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out
> > Message-ID:
> >
> <CAFwr-MXfE-RBLar+qAHGPYYWnwSszwYufvAcAcUT2ngvZZ1Aqg at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Good afternoon!
> >
> > Has anyone installed the McLeod hydraulic throwout bearing that they
> say is
> > Pantera specific for the ZF, and what was your experience? I've had a
> > fantastic experience with them on another performance car
> application.
> >
> > [42]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22
> >
> > Thank you!!
> > -------------- next part --------------
> > Good afternoon!
> > Has anyone installed the McLeod hydraulic throwout bearing that
> they
> > say is Pantera specific for the ZF, and what was your experience?
> I've
> > had a fantastic experience with them on another performance car
> > application.
> > [1]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22
> > Thank you!!
> >
> > References
> >
> > 1. [43]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 9
> > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 19:27:46 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> > To: Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com>,
> > "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
> > Message-ID: <1796334072.2409059.1474054066544 at mail.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Jack,
> > ??? You should be able to find the fan and shroud here:
> >
> [44]https://www.flex-a-lite.com/electric-fans/12-volt-electric-fans/uni
> versal/primary-fans.html
> >
> > From: Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com>
> > To: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
> >
> > Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about?
> radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I
> wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.? And, yes Mike Drew, I have to
> admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke,
> but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There
> really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right
> now; but I ran my idea past? Brassworks? - who says they will
> ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
> > Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they
> are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved?? -
> sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL,
> and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s
> since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a
> perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
> offered-up? a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for
> me.
> > So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
> > jack
> > #4348
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> >
> > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
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> >
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> >
> >
> > -------------- next part --------------
> > Jack,
> > You should be able to find the fan and shroud here:
> >
> [1]https://www.flex-a-lite.com/electric-fans/12-volt-electric-fans/univ
> > ersal/primary-fans.html
> >
> __________________________________________________________________
> >
> > From: Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com>
> > To: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> > <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> > <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
> > Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about
> > radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator,
> since I
> > wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I
> have to
> > admit itas because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ainat
> broke,
> > but I am fixing it(?). Didnat want to admit that, but...Lol.
> There
> > really is an ulterior motive, but I just donat want to mention it
> right
> > now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will
> > abuild-to-suita - but the Hall unit looks to be
> atried-and-provena.
> > Now - fans. I really donat know the brand name of my fans, but
> they are
> > suckers - about 12a diameter - and the blades are acurveda -
> > sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah,
> SPAL,
> > and Flex-a-lite. I had read someoneas post about the
> Flex-a-liteas
> > since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that
> is a
> > perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
> > offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal
> for
> > me.
> > So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
> > jack
> > #4348
> > _______________________________________________
> > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
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> > or approve the archiving of list messages.
> >
> > References
> >
> > 1.
> [46]https://www.flex-a-lite.com/electric-fans/12-volt-electric-fans/uni
> versal/primary-fans.html
> > 2. [47]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 3. [48]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 10
> > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 12:35:17 -0700
> > From: Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
> > To: Email List Address For Posting <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out
> > Message-ID: <6C366701-6502-47C0-A0DC-59494515D156 at aol.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >
> > Cullen,
> >
> > 2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it
> in 2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most
> recently did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I
> spoke with and ordered directly from McLeod.
> >
> > My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
> >
> > The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout
> spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had
> on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting
> where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of
> course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line
> attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up
> very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
> >
> > The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking
> outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
> >
> > Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild
> kit I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous
> invoice. What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current
> unit which uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately
> determined that for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing
> McLeod has used exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no
> suffix such as a ? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem
> within the company. No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the
> first two generations.
> >
> > While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the
> task of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting
> and unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but
> pull the transaxle and start all over again.
> >
> > The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as
> has been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just
> fine. Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based
> on my experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down
> that road for themselves.
> >
> > Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the
> gory details.
> >
> > Larry
> >
> > Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 11
> > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 12:50:41 -0700
> > From: MyCars <mycars at comcast.net>
> > To: LSJ <lashdeep at yahoo.com>, "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> > <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
> > Message-ID: <37e8f14d-dde9-3ce5-f312-4dd9b1c3f234 at comcast.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
> >
> > Going off memory (my car is still in Seattle) I am in San Diego area.
> > They are 15" Aluminum Weld 5-spoke rims, that I believe are about
> 9.5"
> > wide.
> >
> > On 9/16/2016 10:08 AM, LSJ wrote:
> >> What size wheel up front?
> >> LSJ
> >>
> >> /*central */
> >> /*wines-spirits est 1934
> >> */
> >> /*
> >> */
> >> /*625 e street nw
> >> */
> >> /*washington, dc 20004*/
> >> /*
> >> */
> >> /*centralwines.com <[49]http://centralwines.com/>
> >> */
> >> /*
> >> */
> >> /*facebook.com/CentralLiquors
> <[50]http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors>
> >> */
> >> /*
> >> */
> >> /*202-737-2800*/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> -
> >> *From:* MyCars <mycars at comcast.net>
> >> *To:* detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> >> *Sent:* Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM
> >> *Subject:* [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
> >>
> >> I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for
> the
> >> rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
> >>
> >> I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would
> give
> >> the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance for your thoughts
> >>
> >> Roy
> >> _______________________________________________
> >>
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> > -------------- next part --------------
> > Going off memory (my car is still in Seattle) I am in San Diego
> area.
> > They are 15" Aluminum Weld 5-spoke rims, that I believe are about
> 9.5"
> > wide.
> >
> > On 9/16/2016 10:08 AM, LSJ wrote:
> >
> > What size wheel up front?
> >
> > LSJ
> > central
> > wines-spirits est 1934
> > 625 e street nw
> > washington, dc 20004
> > [1]centralwines.com
> > [2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors
> > 202-737-2800
> >
> __________________________________________________________________
> >
> > From: MyCars [3]<mycars at comcast.net>
> > To: [4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
> > I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires
> for the
> > rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
> > I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This
> would
> > give
> > the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
> > Thanks in advance for your thoughts
> > Roy
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> > 2. [54]http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors
> > 3. [55]mailto:mycars at comcast.net
> > 4. [56]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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> > Message: 12
> > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 13:00:36 -0700
> > From: MyCars <mycars at comcast.net>
> > To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
> > Message-ID: <013ad905-7f93-99e8-761f-878f602ee6cb at comcast.net>
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> >
> > I just checked Weld's website
> >
> [59]http://weldwheels.com/shop/street-strip/sport-forged-wheels/prostar
> .html
> >
> > They do not offer a 15" rim 9.5" wide, so I would guess they are 9"
> wide
> >
> >
> > On 9/16/2016 12:50 PM, MyCars wrote:
> >> Going off memory (my car is still in Seattle) I am in San Diego
> area.
> >> They are 15" Aluminum Weld 5-spoke rims, that I believe are
> about 9.5"
> >> wide.
> >>
> >> On 9/16/2016 10:08 AM, LSJ wrote:
> >>
> >> What size wheel up front?
> >>
> >> LSJ
> >> central
> >> wines-spirits est 1934
> >> 625 e street nw
> >> washington, dc 20004
> >> [1]centralwines.com
> >> [2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors
> >> 202-737-2800
> >>
> __________________________________________________________________
> >>
> >> From: MyCars [3]<mycars at comcast.net>
> >> To: [4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> >> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM
> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
> >> I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires
> for the
> >> rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
> >> I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This
> would
> >> give
> >> the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
> >> Thanks in advance for your thoughts
> >> Roy
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> >> 1. [60]http://centralwines.com/
> >> 2. [61]http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors
> >> 3. [62]mailto:mycars at comcast.net
> >> 4. [63]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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> > I just checked Weld's website
> >
> [1]http://weldwheels.com/shop/street-strip/sport-forged-wheels/prostar.
> > html
> > They do not offer a 15" rim 9.5" wide, so I would guess they are
> 9"
> > wide
> >
> > On 9/16/2016 12:50 PM, MyCars wrote:
> >
> > Going off memory (my car is still in Seattle) I am in San Diego
> area.
> > They are 15" Aluminum Weld 5-spoke rims, that I believe are about
> 9.5"
> > wide.
> >
> > On 9/16/2016 10:08 AM, LSJ wrote:
> >
> > What size wheel up front?
> >
> > LSJ
> > central
> > wines-spirits est 1934
> > 625 e street nw
> > washington, dc 20004
> > [1]centralwines.com
> > [2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors
> > 202-737-2800
> >
> __________________________________________________________________
> >
> > From: MyCars [3][2]<mycars at comcast.net>
> > To: [[3]4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
> > I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires
> for the
> > rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
> > I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This
> would
> > give
> > the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
> > Thanks in advance for your thoughts
> > Roy
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> > 4. [9]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 13
> > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:26:27 -0400
> > From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> > To: Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>, Email List Address For
> > Posting <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out
> > Message-ID: <D401CD29.16A666%will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
> >
> > Wow.
> >
> > I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
> >
> > My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily
> > available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium. Rather than building
> a new
> > bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
> >
> > At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
> >
> > --
> > Will
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
> > <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Cullen,
> >>
> >> 2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it
> in
> >> 2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most
> recently
> >> did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke
> with
> >> and ordered directly from McLeod.
> >>
> >> My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
> >>
> >> The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout
> >> spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still
> had
> >> on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting
> >> where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of
> >> course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard
> line
> >> attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold
> up
> >> very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
> >>
> >> The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking
> >> outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
> >>
> >> Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same
> rebuild kit
> >> I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous
> invoice.
> >> What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit
> which
> >> uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined
> that
> >> for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used
> >> exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such
> as a
> >> ? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the
> company.
> >> No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two
> generations.
> >>
> >> While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the
> task
> >> of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting
> and
> >> unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but
> pull the
> >> transaxle and start all over again.
> >>
> >> The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as
> has
> >> been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just
> fine.
> >> Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on
> my
> >> experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down
> that
> >> road for themselves.
> >>
> >> Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the
> gory
> >> details.
> >>
> >> Larry
> >>
> >> Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
> >> _______________________________________________
> >>
> >>
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 14
> > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 15:50:41 -0500
> > From: Cullen McCann <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>
> > To: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> > Cc: Email List Address For Posting
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>,
> > Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out
> > Message-ID:
> >
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> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Thank you Larry. You answered my question perfectly. I am like Will,
> I have
> > one on my Cobra as well, with a ford Top Loader and its been there
> for
> > several years and Ive always loved it. I actually bought one that was
> "new"
> > but several generations old, and when I called McLeod to inquire
> about
> > fresh O-rings, they sent me a brand new unit just to "ensure a
> positive
> > experience". I installed it with a performance clutch and a
> scattershield,
> > bled it according to the instructions and that was about 4 years ago.
> > Havent had a lick of trouble. (knocking on wood now).
> >
> > the frame rails on my cobra are 24" apart and I couldn't fit the
> clutch
> > fork between the side of the bellhousing and the frame rail, and ive
> had a
> > bad experience with performance clutches and cables breaking in the
> > past...so I went the hydraulic route and have loved it.
> >
> > however... I will certainly consider carefully this drama as I set up
> my P
> > car. I have a plan B with an external slave also, if I choose not to
> use
> > the factory unit. Thank you sir.
> >
> > Cullen
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Will Kooiman
> <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Wow.
> >>
> >> I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
> >>
> >> My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily
> >> available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium. Rather than building
> a new
> >> bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
> >>
> >> At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Will
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
> >> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Cullen,
> >>>
> >>> 2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased
> it in
> >>> 2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most
> recently
> >>> did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke
> with
> >>> and ordered directly from McLeod.
> >>>
> >>> My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
> >>>
> >>> The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input
> snout
> >>> spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still
> had
> >>> on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90?
> fitting
> >>> where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of
> >>> course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard
> line
> >>> attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't
> hold up
> >>> very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
> >>>
> >>> The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking
> >>> outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
> >>>
> >>> Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same
> rebuild kit
> >>> I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous
> invoice.
> >>> What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit
> which
> >>> uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately
> determined that
> >>> for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has
> used
> >>> exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such
> as a
> >>> ? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the
> company.
> >>> No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two
> generations.
> >>>
> >>> While you have some experience in using one of these previously,
> the task
> >>> of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting
> and
> >>> unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but
> pull the
> >>> transaxle and start all over again.
> >>>
> >>> The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as
> has
> >>> been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just
> fine.
> >>> Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on
> my
> >>> experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down
> that
> >>> road for themselves.
> >>>
> >>> Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the
> gory
> >>> details.
> >>>
> >>> Larry
> >>>
> >>> Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
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> > -------------- next part --------------
> > Thank you Larry. You answered my question perfectly. I am like
> Will, I
> > have one on my Cobra as well, with a ford Top Loader and its been
> there
> > for several years and Ive always loved it. I actually bought one
> that
> > was "new" but several generations old, and when I called McLeod
> to
> > inquire about fresh O-rings, they sent me a brand new unit just
> to
> > "ensure a positive experience". I installed it with a performance
> > clutch and a scattershield, bled it according to the instructions
> and
> > that was about 4 years ago. Havent had a lick of trouble.A
> (knocking
> > on wood now).
> > the frame rails on my cobra are 24" apart and I couldn't fit the
> clutch
> > fork between the side of the bellhousing and the frame rail, and
> ive
> > had a bad experience with performance clutches and cables
> breaking in
> > the past...so I went the hydraulic route and have loved it.
> > however... I will certainly consider carefully this drama as I
> set up
> > my P car. I have a plan B with an external slave also, if I
> choose not
> > to use the factory unit.A Thank you sir.
> > Cullen
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Will Kooiman
> > <[1]will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Wow.
> > I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
> > My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was
> readily
> > available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium.A Rather than
> > building a new
> > bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
> > At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
> > --
> > Will
> > On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
> >
> > <[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> > >Cullen,
> > >
> > >2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I
> purchased it
> > in
> > >2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most
> > recently
> > >did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I
> spoke with
> > >and ordered directly from McLeod.
> > >
> > >My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
> > >
> > >The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input
> snout
> > >spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I
> still
> > had
> > >on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90ADEG
> > fitting
> > >where one should have used a 45ADEG fitting, twisted itself,
> unseen of
> > >course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the
> hard line
> > >attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't
> hold
> > up
> > >very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
> > >
> > >The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long,
> sticking
> > >outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
> > >
> > >Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same
> rebuild
> > kit
> > >I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous
> > invoice.
> > >What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current
> unit
> > which
> > >uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately
> determined
> > that
> > >for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has
> used
> > >exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix
> such as
> > a
> > >A A or a AB which to me seems indicative of a problem within the
> > company.
> > >No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two
> > generations.
> > >
> > >While you have some experience in using one of these previously,
> the
> > task
> > >of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite
> exacting and
> > >unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but
> pull
> > the
> > >transaxle and start all over again.
> > >
> > >The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and
> as
> > has
> > >been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just
> fine.
> > >Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based
> on my
> > >experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture
> down that
> > >road for themselves.
> > >
> > >Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of
> the gory
> > >details.
> > >
> > >Larry
> > >
> > >Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >
> > >
> > >Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
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> > Message: 15
> > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 13:53:15 -0700
> > From: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
> > To: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>, Larry Finch
> > <fresnofinches at aol.com>, Email List Address For Posting
> > <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out
> > Message-ID: <D401A883.17A144%larrys at panteraparts.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="EUC-KR"
> >
> > The basic problem is that the bell housing is too confined and not
> > ventilated well enough to dissipate the heat. The Superformance is
> using a
> > Quick Time bell housing that has much more ventilation than the
> DeTomaso
> > Bell housing. Just another reason not to run those Plugs that some
> vendors
> > offer, that close off the inspection hole at the left hand top of the
> bell
> > housing. That is the only heat dissipation vent there is.
> > Larry
> >
> > On 9/16/16, 1:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman"
> > <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> > will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Wow.
> >>
> >> I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
> >>
> >> My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily
> >> available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium. Rather than building
> a new
> >> bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
> >>
> >> At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Will
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
> >> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Cullen,
> >>>
> >>> 2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased
> it in
> >>> 2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most
> recently
> >>> did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke
> with
> >>> and ordered directly from McLeod.
> >>>
> >>> My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
> >>>
> >>> The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input
> snout
> >>> spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still
> had
> >>> on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90?
> fitting
> >>> where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of
> >>> course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard
> line
> >>> attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't
> hold up
> >>> very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
> >>>
> >>> The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking
> >>> outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
> >>>
> >>> Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same
> rebuild kit
> >>> I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous
> invoice.
> >>> What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit
> which
> >>> uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately
> determined that
> >>> for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has
> used
> >>> exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such
> as a
> >>> ? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the
> company.
> >>> No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two
> generations.
> >>>
> >>> While you have some experience in using one of these previously,
> the task
> >>> of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting
> and
> >>> unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but
> pull the
> >>> transaxle and start all over again.
> >>>
> >>> The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as
> has
> >>> been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just
> fine.
> >>> Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on
> my
> >>> experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down
> that
> >>> road for themselves.
> >>>
> >>> Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the
> gory
> >>> details.
> >>>
> >>> Larry
> >>>
> >>> Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
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> > Message: 16
> > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:11:22 -0700
> > From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> > To: David Nunn <dnunn at telus.net>
> > Cc: "<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
> > <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
> > Message-ID: <C4C5C3CB-D201-4825-A845-85208C7B8B62 at aol.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > All,
> >
> > Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note
> there is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat
> firewall kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
> >
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> >
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <dnunn at telus.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Rob,
> >>
> >> If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit.
> It
> >> eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
> adjustable.
> >> It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on
> IPSCO's web
> >> site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
> >>
> >> Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and
> belt
> >> tensioning a breeze.
> >>
> >> [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
> >>
> >> References
> >>
> >> 1. [92]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
> >> _______________________________________________
> >>
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> > Message: 17
> > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 21:16:34 +0000
> > From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> > To: David Nunn <dnunn at telus.net>, Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>,
> > "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
> > Message-ID:
> >
> <CY4PR18MB12865ADBFE3EEDECFFB644A895F30 at CY4PR18MB1286.namprd18.prod.out
> look.com>
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > Mike,
> >
> >
> > It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again, the
> one that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location, but
> was adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench
> on the rear.
> >
> > Julian
> > ________________________________
> > From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
> of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM
> > To: David Nunn
> > Cc: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
> >
> > All,
> >
> > Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note
> there is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat
> firewall kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
> >
> > [cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.com]
> >
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <dnunn at telus.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Rob,
> >>
> >> If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit.
> It
> >> eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
> adjustable.
> >> It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on
> IPSCO's web
> >> site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
> >>
> >> Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and
> belt
> >> tensioning a breeze.
> >>
> >> [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
> >>
> >> References
> >>
> >> 1. [94]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
> >
> [[95]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.jpg]<http://ww
> w.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm>
> >
> > Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking
> ...<[96]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm>
> > [97]www.ipsco.org
> > Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler Pulley,
> this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench behind
> the bracket to tighten in ...
> >
> >
> >
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> > Mike,
> >
> > It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again,
> the one
> > that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location,
> but was
> > adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench
> on
> > the rear.
> > Julian
> >
> __________________________________________________________________
> >
> > From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
> behalf of
> > Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM
> > To: David Nunn
> > Cc: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
> >
> > All,
> > Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note
> there
> > is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat
> firewall
> > kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
> >
> [cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.com]
> > Mike
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <dnunn at telus.net> wrote:
> > > Rob,
> > >
> > > If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's
> kit. It
> > > eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
> > adjustable.
> > > It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on
> IPSCO's
> > web
> > > site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
> > >
> > > Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation
> and
> > belt
> > > tensioning a breeze.
> > >
> > > [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
> > >
> > > References
> > >
> > > 1. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
> > [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg]
> > [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ...
> > [100]www.ipsco.org
> > Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler
> Pulley,
> > this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench
> behind
> > the bracket to tighten in ...
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > References
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> > 1. [101]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
> > 2. [102]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
> > 3. [103]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
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> >
> > Message: 18
> > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:18:39 -0700
> > From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> > To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> > Cc: David Nunn <dnunn at telus.net>, "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> > <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
> > Message-ID: <7B7EDC5D-6016-45F7-B580-31A839921366 at aol.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> > Julian,
> >
> > Yes, he mentioned two different products for different applications
> but only had a link for the stock replacement idler. My photo shows the
> idler that replaces the alternator to tension the water pump belt.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Sep 16, 2016, at 14:16, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Mike,
> >>
> >> It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again,
> the one
> >> that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location,
> but was
> >> adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench
> on
> >> the rear.
> >> Julian
> >>
> __________________________________________________________________
> >>
> >> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
> behalf of
> >> Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> >> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM
> >> To: David Nunn
> >> Cc: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
> >>
> >> All,
> >> Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note
> there
> >> is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat
> firewall
> >> kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
> >>
> [cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.com]
> >> Mike
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <dnunn at telus.net> wrote:
> >>> Rob,
> >>>
> >>> If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit.
> It
> >>> eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
> >> adjustable.
> >>> It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on
> IPSCO's
> >> web
> >>> site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
> >>>
> >>> Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and
> >> belt
> >>> tensioning a breeze.
> >>>
> >>> [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
> >>>
> >>> References
> >>>
> >>> 1. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
> >> [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg]
> >> [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ...
> >> [107]www.ipsco.org
> >> Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler
> Pulley,
> >> this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench
> behind
> >> the bracket to tighten in ...
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>>
> >>>
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> >> References
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> >> 1. [108]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
> >> 2. [109]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
> >> 3. [110]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
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> > Message: 19
> > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:19:14 -0700
> > From: Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
> > To: Email List Address For Posting <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out
> > Message-ID: <78A89D59-A850-402B-8862-ABC7DFF75CD9 at aol.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >
> > Heat?
> >
> > As I previously wrote, I have over 50,000 miles using one of the
> McLeod systems.
> >
> > Those 50,000 miles have all been WITH a black plastic plug in the
> hole that some wish to call a ventilation hole rather than an
> inspection hole. Your choice, I don't really care.
> >
> > Whatever heat issues may or may not be present, with or without a
> plug, have never appeared to be an issue in any way, shape or form in
> my many years of experience.
> >
> > I am all ears if Larry or anyone else has history that supports a
> failure of the McLeod unit from excessive heat.
> >
> > Larry
> >
> > Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
> >
> >> On Sep 16, 2016, at 1:53 PM, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> The basic problem is that the bell housing is too confined and not
> >> ventilated well enough to dissipate the heat. The Superformance is
> using a
> >> Quick Time bell housing that has much more ventilation than the
> DeTomaso
> >> Bell housing. Just another reason not to run those Plugs that some
> vendors
> >> offer, that close off the inspection hole at the left hand top of
> the bell
> >> housing. That is the only heat dissipation vent there is.
> >> Larry
> >>
> >> On 9/16/16, 1:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman"
> >> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> >> will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Wow.
> >>>
> >>> I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
> >>>
> >>> My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily
> >>> available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium. Rather than
> building a new
> >>> bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
> >>>
> >>> At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Will
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
> >>> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Cullen,
> >>>>
> >>>> 2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased
> it in
> >>>> 2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most
> recently
> >>>> did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke
> with
> >>>> and ordered directly from McLeod.
> >>>>
> >>>> My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
> >>>>
> >>>> The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input
> snout
> >>>> spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I
> still had
> >>>> on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90?
> fitting
> >>>> where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen
> of
> >>>> course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard
> line
> >>>> attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't
> hold up
> >>>> very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
> >>>>
> >>>> The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long,
> sticking
> >>>> outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
> >>>>
> >>>> Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same
> rebuild kit
> >>>> I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous
> invoice.
> >>>> What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit
> which
> >>>> uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately
> determined that
> >>>> for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has
> used
> >>>> exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix
> such as a
> >>>> A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the
> company.
> >>>> No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two
> generations.
> >>>>
> >>>> While you have some experience in using one of these previously,
> the task
> >>>> of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting
> and
> >>>> unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but
> pull the
> >>>> transaxle and start all over again.
> >>>>
> >>>> The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and
> as has
> >>>> been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just
> fine.
> >>>> Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based
> on my
> >>>> experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down
> that
> >>>> road for themselves.
> >>>>
> >>>> Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the
> gory
> >>>> details.
> >>>>
> >>>> Larry
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>
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> > Message: 20
> > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:38:06 -0500
> > From: Cullen McCann <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>
> > To: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
> > Cc: Email List Address For Posting
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>,
> > Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out
> > Message-ID:
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> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > well, I have the quicktime bellhousing for the ZF on 4653. I forgot
> to
> > mention that. Also didn't consider it would be relevant. hmmmm.
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Larry Stock
> <larrys at panteraparts.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> The basic problem is that the bell housing is too confined and not
> >> ventilated well enough to dissipate the heat. The Superformance is
> using a
> >> Quick Time bell housing that has much more ventilation than the
> DeTomaso
> >> Bell housing. Just another reason not to run those Plugs that some
> vendors
> >> offer, that close off the inspection hole at the left hand top of
> the bell
> >> housing. That is the only heat dissipation vent there is.
> >> Larry
> >>
> >> On 9/16/16, 1:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman"
> >> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> >> will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Wow.
> >>>
> >>> I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
> >>>
> >>> My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily
> >>> available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium. Rather than
> building a new
> >>> bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
> >>>
> >>> At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Will
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
> >>> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Cullen,
> >>>>
> >>>> 2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased
> it in
> >>>> 2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most
> recently
> >>>> did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke
> with
> >>>> and ordered directly from McLeod.
> >>>>
> >>>> My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
> >>>>
> >>>> The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input
> snout
> >>>> spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I
> still had
> >>>> on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90?
> fitting
> >>>> where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen
> of
> >>>> course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard
> line
> >>>> attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't
> hold up
> >>>> very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
> >>>>
> >>>> The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long,
> sticking
> >>>> outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
> >>>>
> >>>> Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same
> rebuild kit
> >>>> I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous
> invoice.
> >>>> What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit
> which
> >>>> uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately
> determined that
> >>>> for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has
> used
> >>>> exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix
> such as a
> >>>> ? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the
> company.
> >>>> No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two
> generations.
> >>>>
> >>>> While you have some experience in using one of these previously,
> the task
> >>>> of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting
> and
> >>>> unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but
> pull the
> >>>> transaxle and start all over again.
> >>>>
> >>>> The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and
> as has
> >>>> been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just
> fine.
> >>>> Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based
> on my
> >>>> experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down
> that
> >>>> road for themselves.
> >>>>
> >>>> Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the
> gory
> >>>> details.
> >>>>
> >>>> Larry
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>
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> > -------------- next part --------------
> > well, I have the quicktime bellhousing for the ZF on 4653. I
> forgot to
> > mention that. Also didn't consider it would be relevant. hmmmm.
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Larry Stock
> > <[1]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
> >
> > The basic problem is that the bell housing is too confined and
> not
> > ventilated well enough to dissipate the heat. The Superformance
> is
> > using a
> > Quick Time bell housing that has much more ventilation than the
> > DeTomaso
> > Bell housing. Just another reason not to run those Plugs that
> some
> > vendors
> > offer, that close off the inspection hole at the left hand top
> of
> > the bell
> > housing. That is the only heat dissipation vent there is.
> > Larry
> > On 9/16/16, 1:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman"
> > <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> > [3]will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >Wow.
> > >
> > >I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
> > >
> > >My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was
> readily
> > >available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium.A Rather than
> > building a new
> > >bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
> > >
> > >At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
> > >
> > >--
> > >Will
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
> > ><[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >>Cullen,
> > >>
> > >>2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I
> purchased
> > it in
> > >>2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and
> most
> > recently
> > >>did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I
> spoke
> > with
> > >>and ordered directly from McLeod.
> > >>
> > >>My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
> > >>
> > >>The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect
> input
> > snout
> > >>spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I
> > still had
> > >>on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its
> 90ADEG
> > fitting
> > >>where one should have used a 45ADEG fitting, twisted itself,
> > unseen of
> > >>course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the
> hard
> > line
> > >>attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines
> don't
> > hold up
> > >>very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
> > >>
> > >>The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long,
> > sticking
> > >>outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
> > >>
> > >>Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same
> > rebuild kit
> > >>I had previously used, using the same number off of the
> previous
> > invoice.
> > >>What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current
> unit
> > which
> > >>uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately
> > determined that
> > >>for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod
> has
> > used
> > >>exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no
> suffix
> > such as a
> > >>A A or a AB which to me seems indicative of a problem within
> the
> > company.
> > >>No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two
> > generations.
> > >>
> > >>While you have some experience in using one of these
> previously,
> > the task
> > >>of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite
> exacting
> > and
> > >>unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do
> but
> > pull the
> > >>transaxle and start all over again.
> > >>
> > >>The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings
> and
> > as has
> > >>been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works
> just
> > fine.
> > >>Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and
> based
> > on my
> > >>experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture
> down
> > that
> > >>road for themselves.
> > >>
> > >>Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of
> the
> > gory
> > >>details.
> > >>
> > >>Larry
> > >>
> > >>Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
> >
> > >>_______________________________________________
> > >>
> > >>
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> > 1. [119]mailto:larrys at panteraparts.com
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> > 3. [121]mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com
> > 4. [122]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 5. [123]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 6. [124]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> > 7. [125]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 8. [126]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> > 9. [127]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 10. [128]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 21
> > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 21:46:51 +0000
> > From: michael frazier <red3644 at hotmail.com>
> > To: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> > <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC, Need transmission suggestions
> > Message-ID:
> >
> <SN1PR07MB2254F82A006D414EA80223FCB9F30 at SN1PR07MB2254.namprd07.prod.out
> look.com>
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Hi All,
> > I?m putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road. It sat in a barn
> since 1961 and only has 25k miles,
> > but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out.
> Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will
> > remain. The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete
> Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.
> > I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want
> an overdrive transmission. Manual or
> > automatic, either one. It won?t be drag raced but will be used
> regularly and would likely be run in an
> > open road race some time. That?s the reason for the overdrive.
> >
> > I?ve been out of this part of the game for a while and was wondering
> what would work well.
> > What would bolt up and work. What would it come out of?
> >
> > Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
> > Michael
> >
> > Sent from Mail<[129]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>
> for Windows 10
> >
> > -------------- next part --------------
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I'm putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road. It sat in a barn
> since
> > 1961 and only has 25k miles,
> >
> > but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out.
> > Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will
> >
> > remain. The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a
> complete
> > Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.
> >
> > I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and
> want an
> > overdrive transmission. Manual or
> >
> > automatic, either one. It won't be drag raced but will be used
> > regularly and would likely be run in an
> >
> > open road race some time. That's the reason for the overdrive.
> >
> >
> > I've been out of this part of the game for a while and was
> wondering
> > what would work well.
> >
> > What would bolt up and work. What would it come out of?
> >
> >
> > Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10
> >
> > References
> >
> > 1. [130]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 22
> > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 15:04:46 -0700
> > From: "David Nunn" <dnunn at telus.net>
> > To: "'Mike Drew'" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, "'Julian Kift'"
> > <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> > Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
> > Message-ID: <003301d21066$5739cc80$05ad6580$@telus.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > Julian,
> >
> > Further to what Mike wrote; here's a photo of the front of my engine,
> with
> > both IPSCO items installed.
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike Drew [[131]mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com]
> > Sent: September 16, 2016 2:19 PM
> > To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> > Cc: David Nunn <dnunn at telus.net>; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
> >
> > Julian,
> >
> > Yes, he mentioned two different products for different applications
> but only
> > had a link for the stock replacement idler. My photo shows the idler
> that
> > replaces the alternator to tension the water pump belt.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Sep 16, 2016, at 14:16, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Mike,
> >>
> >> It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again,
> the one
> >> that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location,
> but was
> >> adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench
> on
> >> the rear.
> >> Julian
> >>
> __________________________________________________________________
> >>
> >> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
> behalf of
> >> Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> >> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM
> >> To: David Nunn
> >> Cc: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
> >>
> >> All,
> >> Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note
> there
> >> is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat
> firewall
> >> kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
> >>
> [cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.com]
> >> Mike
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <dnunn at telus.net> wrote:
> >>> Rob,
> >>>
> >>> If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit.
> It
> >>> eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
> >> adjustable.
> >>> It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on
> IPSCO's
> >> web
> >>> site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
> >>>
> >>> Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and
> >> belt
> >>> tensioning a breeze.
> >>>
> >>> [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
> >>>
> >>> References
> >>>
> >>> 1. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
> >> [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg]
> >> [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ...
> >> [132]www.ipsco.org
> >> Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler
> Pulley,
> >> this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench
> behind
> >> the bracket to tighten in ...
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> >> 1. [133]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
> >> 2. [134]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
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> > Message: 23
> > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:26:53 -0600
> > From: bill <bill at incendium.com>
> > To: michael frazier <red3644 at hotmail.com>,
> > "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC, Need transmission suggestions
> > Message-ID:
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> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Michael:Screw that put a Ford flat head V8 in that suckered.?
> >
> >
> >
> > CheersBill MooreCalgary
> > -------- Original message --------From: michael frazier
> <red3644 at hotmail.com> Date: 2016-09-16 3:46 PM (GMT-07:00) To:
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC, Need
> transmission suggestions
> > Hi All,
> > I?m putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road.? It sat in a barn
> since 1961 and only has 25k miles,
> > but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out.?
> Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will
> > remain.? The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete
> Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.
> > I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want
> an overdrive transmission.? Manual or
> > automatic, either one.? It won?t be drag raced but will be used
> regularly and would likely be run in an
> > open road race some time.? That?s the reason for the overdrive.
> >
> > I?ve been out of this part of the game for a while and was wondering
> what would work well.
> > What would bolt up and work.? What would it come out of?
> >
> > Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
> > Michael
> >
> > Sent from Mail<[140]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>
> for Windows 10
> >
> >
> > ?? Hi All,
> >
> > ?? I'm putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road.? It sat in a barn
> since
> > ?? 1961 and only has 25k miles,
> >
> > ?? but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out.
> > ?? Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will
> >
> > ?? remain.? The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete
> > ?? Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.
> >
> > ?? I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and
> want an
> > ?? overdrive transmission.? Manual or
> >
> > ?? automatic, either one.? It won't be drag raced but will be used
> > ?? regularly and would likely be run in an
> >
> > ?? open road race some time.? That's the reason for the overdrive.
> >
> >
> > ?? I've been out of this part of the game for a while and was
> wondering
> > ?? what would work well.
> >
> > ?? What would bolt up and work.? What would it come out of?
> >
> >
> > ?? Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > ?? Michael
> >
> >
> > ?? Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10
> >
> > References
> >
> > ?? 1. [141]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
> >
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> > Michael:
> >
> > Screw that put a Ford flat head V8 in that suckered.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Bill Moore
> >
> > Calgary
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: michael frazier <red3644 at hotmail.com>
> > Date: 2016-09-16 3:46 PM (GMT-07:00)
> > To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC, Need transmission suggestions
> >
> > Hi All,
> > I'm putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road. It sat in a barn
> since
> > 1961 and only has 25k miles,
> > but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out.
> > Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will
> > remain. The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a
> complete
> > Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.
> > I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and
> want an
> > overdrive transmission. Manual or
> > automatic, either one. It won't be drag raced but will be used
> > regularly and would likely be run in an
> > open road race some time. That's the reason for the overdrive.
> > I've been out of this part of the game for a while and was
> wondering
> > what would work well.
> > What would bolt up and work. What would it come out of?
> > Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
> > Michael
> > Sent from
> Mail<[143]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> > Windows 10
> > Hi All,
> > I'm putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road. It sat in a
> barn
> > since
> > 1961 and only has 25k miles,
> > but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted
> out.
> > Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will
> > remain. The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a
> complete
> > Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.
> > I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and
> want
> > an
> > overdrive transmission. Manual or
> > automatic, either one. It won't be drag raced but will be
> used
> > regularly and would likely be run in an
> > open road race some time. That's the reason for the
> overdrive.
> > I've been out of this part of the game for a while and was
> wondering
> > what would work well.
> > What would bolt up and work. What would it come out of?
> > Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
> > Michael
> > Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10
> > References
> > 1. [144]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
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> > Message: 24
> > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:31:46 -0600
> > From: bill <bill at incendium.com>
> > To: David Nunn <dnunn at telus.net>, 'Mike Drew' <MikeLDrew at aol.com>,
> > 'Julian Kift' <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> > Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
> > Message-ID:
> <twbfe1jjjap5dl76l23cu2gv.1474065106843 at email.android.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Wow !,,,,
> > That looks to nice to cover up.....
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > CheersBill MooreCalgary
> > -------- Original message --------From: David Nunn <dnunn at telus.net>
> Date: 2016-09-16 4:04 PM (GMT-07:00) To: 'Mike Drew'
> <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, 'Julian Kift' <julian_kift at hotmail.com> Cc:
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden
> Compressors noises
> > Julian,
> >
> > Further to what Mike wrote; here's a photo of the front of my engine,
> with
> > both IPSCO items installed.
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike Drew [[146]mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com]
> > Sent: September 16, 2016 2:19 PM
> > To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> > Cc: David Nunn <dnunn at telus.net>; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
> >
> > Julian,
> >
> > Yes, he mentioned two different products for different applications
> but only
> > had a link for the stock replacement idler. My photo shows the idler
> that
> > replaces the alternator to tension the water pump belt.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Sep 16, 2016, at 14:16, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> ?? Mike,
> >>
> >> ?? It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again,
> the one
> >> ?? that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location,
> but was
> >> ?? adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench
> on
> >> ?? the rear.
> >> ?? Julian
> >> ????
> __________________________________________________________________
> >>
> >> ?? From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
> behalf of
> >> ?? Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> >> ?? Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM
> >> ?? To: David Nunn
> >> ?? Cc: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> >> ?? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
> >>
> >> ?? All,
> >> ?? Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note
> there
> >> ?? is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat
> firewall
> >> ?? kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
> >> ??
> [cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.com]
> >> ?? Mike
> >> ?? Sent from my iPhone
> >> ?? On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <dnunn at telus.net> wrote:
> >>> ? Rob,
> >>>
> >>> ? If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit.
> It?
> >>> eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
> >> ?? adjustable.
> >>> ? It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on
> IPSCO's
> >> ?? web
> >>> ? site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
> >>>
> >>> ? Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and
> >> ?? belt
> >>> ? tensioning a breeze.
> >>>
> >>> ? [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
> >>>
> >>> References
> >>>
> >>> ? 1. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
> >> ?? [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg]
> >> ?? [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ...
> >> ?? [147]www.ipsco.org
> >> ?? Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler
> Pulley,
> >> ?? this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench
> behind
> >> ?? the bracket to tighten in ...
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> >> References
> >>
> >> ?? 1. [148]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
> >> ?? 2. [149]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
> >> ?? 3. [150]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
> >> ?? 4. [151]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> >> ?? 5. [152]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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> > Wow !,,,,
> >
> > That looks to nice to cover up.....
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Bill Moore
> >
> > Calgary
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: David Nunn <dnunn at telus.net>
> > Date: 2016-09-16 4:04 PM (GMT-07:00)
> > To: 'Mike Drew' <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, 'Julian Kift'
> > <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> > Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
> >
> > Julian,
> > Further to what Mike wrote; here's a photo of the front of my
> engine,
> > with
> > both IPSCO items installed.
> > David
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike Drew [[155]mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com]
> > Sent: September 16, 2016 2:19 PM
> > To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> > Cc: David Nunn <dnunn at telus.net>;
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
> > Julian,
> > Yes, he mentioned two different products for different
> applications but
> > only
> > had a link for the stock replacement idler. My photo shows the
> idler
> > that
> > replaces the alternator to tension the water pump belt.
> > Mike
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > On Sep 16, 2016, at 14:16, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > Mike,
> > >
> > > It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler
> again, the
> > one
> > > that was previously linked appears to go in the stock
> location, but
> > was
> > > adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a
> wrench
> > on
> > > the rear.
> > > Julian
> > >
> >
> __________________________________________________________________
> > >
> > > From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
> behalf
> > of
> > > Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM
> > > To: David Nunn
> > > Cc: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
> > >
> > > All,
> > > Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup.
> Note
> > there
> > > is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat
> > firewall
> > > kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
> > >
> >
> [cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.com]
> > > Mike
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <dnunn at telus.net>
> wrote:
> > >> Rob,
> > >>
> > >> If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's
> kit.
> > It
> > >> eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
> > > adjustable.
> > >> It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on
> IPSCO's
> > > web
> > >> site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
> > >>
> > >> Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation
> and
> > > belt
> > >> tensioning a breeze.
> > >>
> > >> [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
> > >>
> > >> References
> > >>
> > >> 1. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
> > > [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg]
> > > [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking
> ...
> > > [156]www.ipsco.org
> > > Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler
> > Pulley,
> > > this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a
> wrench
> > behind
> > > the bracket to tighten in ...
> > >> _______________________________________________
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> > > 1.
> [157]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
> > > 2.
> [158]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
> > > 3.
> [159]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
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When I bought my first Pantera in 2000 I had a heating problem at the
track. When It would puke about 1/2 gal of coolant it would overheat
and was hell to try and keep cool. It would sometimes suck the full
puke tank back in as it cooled and work for a few laps then overheat
again. I would refill the unit belch it at the radiator and it would
work again for a while.
After a couple of disappointing track days, I was under the car and
followed the radiator lines forward. The engine return was routed from
the top of the radiator. I found that when the car was rebuilt some
years before they had replaced the radiator with a "Chevy" style
radiator which had the lines reversed. My engine return was from the
top of the radiator and the engine hot was going to the bottom of the
radiator. Rearranged different radiator hook up hoses and it has been
fine since.
Sometimes the obvious isn't
jerry knotts
On 9/17/2016 9:56 AM, Julian Kift wrote:
It's great to hear that you now have a functioning cooling system,
although I have to wonder which of the particular changes contributed
most, I suspect the thermostat housing being blocked off was a bulk of
the problem.
I had a similar experience when I got my first Pantera, it overheated
in traffic, so I jumped on the web found all these articles about
swapping radiators and fans etc. and duly went and purchased a setup.
When I got to going through the car checking the thermostat I found it
was a Windsor style, I swapped it for the correct Cleveland t-stat and
voila heating issues resolved.
It's just a reminder to check the simple stuff prior to laying out big
$$$, even now I think there are still a lot of myths' perpetuated about
these cars... like someone once said "why let the truth get in the way
of a good story"
Julian
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Owen Cooke [2]<owen at tadhgcooke.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 2:19 AM
To: [3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19
guys
i had overheating problems
i put in a new hall brass rad but my car had bleed pipe from the rad
back to the swirl tank and no fitting in halls rad for it apart from a
top bleed screw
so i made a junction to fit the original bleed screw and the bleed pipe
to it
then new mariah (is that the right name) that fir on the stock
brackets
and wired them directly from the battery to the relays
i found the hole under the thermostat was blocked with solder
i removed that and fitted a new stat
now all is perfect temp wise - warms up steady and holds the 90c or
195f in all conditions
my gauge with sender in block beside the pump/stat ready 150f but its
steady and i know what to expect
very happy with result
owen cooke
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> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 09:29:46 -0700
> From: Jack Donahue [9]<demongusta at gmail.com>
> To: [10]"detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> [11]<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
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> Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about
radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I
wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to
admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke,
but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There
really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right
now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will
?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
> Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they
are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? -
sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL,
and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s
since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a
perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for
me.
> So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
> jack
> #4348
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> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:54:05 +0000
> From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" [15]<terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
> To: Jack Donahue [16]<demongusta at gmail.com>,
> [17]"detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
[18]<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
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> Jack,
>
> Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans.
I'm not going to change it
> now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal
with it. So keep posting and
> I will keep saving the responses. ;-)
>
> Terry
>
>
>
> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
>
> Terry W. Himes
> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
> Dawn Spacecraft Team
> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
> Phone: (818) 393-6261
> Cell: (818) 653-8213
> Fax: (818) 393-3147
> [20]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<[3][21]mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
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> From: DeTomaso
<[22]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com[23]<mailto:detomaso-bounces at ser
ve
r.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Jack Donahue
<[24]demongusta at gmail.com[25]<mailto:demongusta at gmail.com>>
> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
> To:
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.c
om>"
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om>>
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om>>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
>
> Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about
radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I
wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to
admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke,
but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There
really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right
now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will
?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
> Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they
are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? -
sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL,
and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s
since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a
perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for
me.
> So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
> jack
> #4348
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> Jack,
> Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new
fans. I'm
> not going to change it
> now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal
with
> it. So keep posting and
> I will keep saving the responses. ;-)
> Terry
>
> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
>
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>
> Terry W. Himes
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> From: DeTomaso [38]<[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
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> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
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radiator,
> since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike
Drew, I
> have to admit it's because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It
ain't
> broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn't want to admit that,
but...Lol.
> There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don't want to
mention it
> right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they
will
> "build-to-suit" - but the Hall unit looks to be
"tried-and-proven".
> Now - fans. I really don't know the brand name of my fans, but
they are
> suckers - about 12" diameter - and the blades are "curved" -
> sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah,
SPAL,
> and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone's post about the
Flex-a-lite's
> since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that
is a
> perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
> offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal
for
> me.
> So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
> jack
> #4348
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:03:20 -0700
> From: MyCars [55]<mycars at comcast.net>
> To: [56]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
> Message-ID: [57]<6fa00360-0d5e-3618-1132-2455f7b0aca2 at comcast.net>
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> I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for
the
> rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
>
> I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would
give
> the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
>
> Thanks in advance for your thoughts
>
> Roy
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 17:08:50 +0000 (UTC)
> From: LSJ [58]<lashdeep at yahoo.com>
> To: MyCars [59]<mycars at comcast.net>, [60]"detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
"
> [61]<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
> Message-ID: [62]<1287234121.1004140.1474045730621 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> What size wheel up front?
> ?LSJ
>
> central wines-spirits?? est 1934
>
> 625 e street nw
> washington, dc 20004
> centralwines.com
>
> facebook.com/CentralLiquors
>
> 202-737-2800
>
>
>
> From: MyCars [63]<mycars at comcast.net>
> To: [64]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
>
> I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for
the
> rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
>
> I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would
give
> the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
>
> Thanks in advance for your thoughts
>
> Roy
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> What size wheel up front?
>
> LSJ
> central
> wines-spirits est 1934
> 625 e street nw
> washington, dc 20004
> [1]centralwines.com
> [2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors
> 202-737-2800
>
__________________________________________________________________
>
> From: MyCars [67]<mycars at comcast.net>
> To: [68]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
> I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires
for the
> rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
> I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This
would
> give
> the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
> Thanks in advance for your thoughts
> Roy
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:13:05 -0700
> From: Jack Donahue [75]<demongusta at gmail.com>
> To: "Himes, Terry (397C)" [76]<terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
> Cc: [77]"detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> [78]<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
> Message-ID: [79]<09791B61-DE0D-40CC-859D-437A8528952A at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Terry - I don?t have the original radiator - I currently have a
Fluidyne with twin suckers, tilted forward, and A/C condenser in front.
Originally, I wanted to just add a shroud, based on a friend of mine
who does some serious off-road driving - he swears by a shroud - says
it really made a difference for him and that I should AT LEAST get one
for the whole ?Pantera-Heat-Prevention Program. That sounds good -
(PHPP). Anyway, the more I looked into things, the more I was
?converted" to brass/copper as it seems to be more reliable - and more
repairable (which I like).
> jack
>
>> On Sep 16, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Himes, Terry (397C)
[80]<terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>
>> Jack,
>>
>> Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans.
I'm not going to change it
>> now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal
with it. So keep posting and
>> I will keep saving the responses. ;-)
>>
>> Terry
>>
>>
>>
>> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
>> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
>>
>> Terry W. Himes
>> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>> Dawn Spacecraft Team
>> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
>> Phone: (818) 393-6261
>> Cell: (818) 653-8213
>> Fax: (818) 393-3147
>> [81]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov <[19][82]mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
>> ??
>>
>> From: DeTomaso <[83]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
<[20][84]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of
Jack Donahue <[85]demongusta at gmail.com <[21][86]mailto:demongusta at gmail.com>>
>> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
>> To: "[87]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
<[22][88]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
<[89]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
<[23][90]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
>> Cc: "[91]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
<[24][92]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
<[93]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
<[25][94]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
>>
>> Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about
radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I
wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to
admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke,
but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There
really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right
now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will
?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
>> Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they
are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? -
sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL,
and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s
since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a
perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for
me.
>> So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
>> jack
>> #4348
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> Terry - I don't have the original radiator - I currently have a
> Fluidyne with twin suckers, tilted forward, and A/C condenser in
front.
> Originally, I wanted to just add a shroud, based on a friend of
mine
> who does some serious off-road driving - he swears by a shroud -
says
> it really made a difference for him and that I should AT LEAST
get one
> for the whole "Pantera-Heat-Prevention Program. That sounds good
-
> (PHPP). Anyway, the more I looked into things, the more I was
> "converted" to brass/copper as it seems to be more reliable -
and more
> repairable (which I like).
>
> jack
>
> On Sep 16, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Himes, Terry (397C)
> [99]<[1]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
> Jack,
> Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new
fans. I'm
> not going to change it
> now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal
with
> it. So keep posting and
> I will keep saving the responses. ;-)
> Terry
> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
> Terry W. Himes
> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
> Dawn Spacecraft Team
> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
> Phone: (818) 393-6261
> Cell: (818) 653-8213
> Fax: (818) 393-3147
> [[100]2]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
> From: DeTomaso [101]<[3]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf
> of Jack Donahue [102]<[4]demongusta at gmail.com>
> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
> To: [103]"[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> [104]<[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Cc: [105]"[7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> [106]<[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
> Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List
> about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall
radiator,
> since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike
Drew, I
> have to admit it's because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It
ain't
> broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn't want to admit that,
but...Lol.
> There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don't want to
mention it
> right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they
will
> "build-to-suit" - but the Hall unit looks to be
"tried-and-proven".
> Now - fans. I really don't know the brand name of my fans, but
they are
> suckers - about 12" diameter - and the blades are "curved" -
> sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah,
SPAL,
> and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone's post about the
Flex-a-lite's
> since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that
is a
> perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
> offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal
for
> me.
> So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
> jack
> #4348
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:17:31 -0700
> From: Jack Donahue [119]<demongusta at gmail.com>
> To: [120]GR2835 at comcast.net
> Cc: [121]"detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> [122]<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
> Message-ID: [123]<2334BABE-726C-4D16-85EA-BB997B2B61CB at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> There-in lies one of my problems - I could never MAKE a shroud. I
wish I could - maybe out of foil-wrap. I will check out that website,
thanks.
>
>> On Sep 16, 2016, at 10:07 AM, [124]GR2835 at comcast.net wrote:
>>
>> Pantera Electronics has recommended fans with part numbers under the
fan controller button on their website.
>> I have a stock radiator that was modified for lay down and air
conditioning condenser up front........I have a fan shroud that I made
and mounted the 2 sucker fans. 192 thermostat ran 192 in a 14 mile
traffic jam last year that.took me 90 minutes to get
through.......temperature was 98 degrees leaving the 2015 Woodward
Cruise...........my wife complained that she was too cold with the air
set on the warmest setting.
>> Good luck
>> Gerry in Illinois
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Jack Donahue [125]<demongusta at gmail.com>
>> To: [126]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Cc: [127]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Sent: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:29:46 -0000 (UTC)
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
>>
>> Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about
radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I
wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to
admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke,
but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There
really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right
now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will
?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
>> Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they
are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? -
sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL,
and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s
since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a
perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for
me.
>> So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
>> jack
>> #4348
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 11:24:26 -0700
> From: Larry Stock [130]<larrys at panteraparts.com>
> To: Jack Donahue [131]<demongusta at gmail.com>
> Cc: [132]"detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> [133]<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
> Message-ID: [134]<D4018324.17A0EF%larrys at panteraparts.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
>
> Hi Jack,
>
> You should be able to use the fans off the Fluidyne, if not we have
our
> Maridyne system fans and our own bracket kit and if you need shrouds
for a
> full lie-down system, we have those too. Typically we recommend our
half
> Lay forward system which minimizes the thru air turbulence.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 11041B Defl. Rad. S.S. Lay down for kit $95.00
> 11042B Stainless deflector right $65.00
> 11043B Stainless deflector left $65.00
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 11055B Radiator Puller Fan Shroud SS Mounting brackets set of 3
$125.00
> 11055P PPC Puller Fans & Shroud Assy $325.00
>
>
>
> If the Hall Brass radiator has the stock quick 90 degree hard
radiator
> tubes installed, you will not be able to mount a puller fan shroud
under
> those tubes, if it has the straight out tubes then you can use 90
degree
> molded rubber hoses to clear the Puller shroud like your Fluidyne.
>
> Larry Stock
>
> Pantera Parts Connection LC
> 550 Mallory Way
> Carson City NV 89701
> [40]www.PanteraParts.com
> PH 775-283-4411
> Fax 775-283-4410
> Cell 1-800-DeTomaso 800-338-6627
>
>
>
>
>
> On 9/16/16, 9:29 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jack Donahue"
> [135]<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> [136]demongusta at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about
radiators
>> - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted
>> brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to
admit
>> it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but
I am
>> fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is
an
>> ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but
I ran
>> my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but
the
>> Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
>> Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they
are
>> suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? -
>> sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL,
and
>> Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since
they
>> said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect
match
>> for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a
part
>> number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me.
>> So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
>> jack
>> #4348
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>>
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>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:09:55 -0500
> From: Cullen McCann [139]<cmccann1972 at gmail.com>
> To: [140]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out
> Message-ID:
>
[141]<CAFwr-MXfE-RBLar+qAHGPYYWnwSszwYufvAcAcUT2ngvZZ1Aqg at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Good afternoon!
>
> Has anyone installed the McLeod hydraulic throwout bearing that they
say is
> Pantera specific for the ZF, and what was your experience? I've had a
> fantastic experience with them on another performance car
application.
>
> [42][142]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22
>
> Thank you!!
> -------------- next part --------------
> Good afternoon!
> Has anyone installed the McLeod hydraulic throwout bearing that
they
> say is Pantera specific for the ZF, and what was your experience?
I've
> had a fantastic experience with them on another performance car
> application.
> [1][143]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22
> Thank you!!
>
> References
>
> 1. [43][144]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 19:27:46 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Ken Green [145]<kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> To: Jack Donahue [146]<demongusta at gmail.com>,
> [147]"detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
[148]<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
> Message-ID: [149]<1796334072.2409059.1474054066544 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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> Jack,
> ??? You should be able to find the fan and shroud here:
>
[44][150]https://www.flex-a-lite.com/electric-fans/12-volt-electric-fans/uni
versal/primary-fans.html
>
> From: Jack Donahue [151]<demongusta at gmail.com>
> To: [152]"detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
[153]<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Cc: [154]"detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
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> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
>
> Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about?
radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I
wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.? And, yes Mike Drew, I have to
admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke,
but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There
really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right
now; but I ran my idea past? Brassworks? - who says they will
?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
> Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they
are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved?? -
sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL,
and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s
since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a
perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
offered-up? a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for
me.
> So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
> jack
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> Jack,
> You should be able to find the fan and shroud here:
>
[1][158]https://www.flex-a-lite.com/electric-fans/12-volt-electric-fans/univ
> ersal/primary-fans.html
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__________________________________________________________________
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> From: Jack Donahue [159]<demongusta at gmail.com>
> To: [160]"detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> [161]<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
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> [163]<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
> Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about
> radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator,
since I
> wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I
have to
> admit itas because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ainat
broke,
> but I am fixing it(?). Didnat want to admit that, but...Lol.
There
> really is an ulterior motive, but I just donat want to mention it
right
> now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will
> abuild-to-suita - but the Hall unit looks to be
atried-and-provena.
> Now - fans. I really donat know the brand name of my fans, but
they are
> suckers - about 12a diameter - and the blades are acurveda -
> sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah,
SPAL,
> and Flex-a-lite. I had read someoneas post about the
Flex-a-liteas
> since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that
is a
> perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
> offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal
for
> me.
> So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
> jack
> #4348
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> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 12:35:17 -0700
> From: Larry Finch [169]<fresnofinches at aol.com>
> To: Email List Address For Posting [170]<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out
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> Cullen,
>
> 2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it
in 2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most
recently did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I
spoke with and ordered directly from McLeod.
>
> My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
>
> The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout
spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had
on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting
where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of
course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line
attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up
very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
>
> The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking
outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
>
> Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild
kit I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous
invoice. What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current
unit which uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately
determined that for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing
McLeod has used exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no
suffix such as a ? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem
within the company. No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the
first two generations.
>
> While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the
task of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting
and unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but
pull the transaxle and start all over again.
>
> The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as
has been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just
fine. Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based
on my experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down
that road for themselves.
>
> Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the
gory details.
>
> Larry
>
> Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 12:50:41 -0700
> From: MyCars [172]<mycars at comcast.net>
> To: LSJ [173]<lashdeep at yahoo.com>, [174]"detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> [175]<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
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> Going off memory (my car is still in Seattle) I am in San Diego area.
> They are 15" Aluminum Weld 5-spoke rims, that I believe are about
9.5"
> wide.
>
> On 9/16/2016 10:08 AM, LSJ wrote:
>> What size wheel up front?
>> LSJ
>>
>> /*central */
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>> *From:* MyCars [179]<mycars at comcast.net>
>> *To:* [180]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM
>> *Subject:* [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
>>
>> I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for
the
>> rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
>>
>> I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would
give
>> the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
>>
>> Thanks in advance for your thoughts
>>
>> Roy
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> Going off memory (my car is still in Seattle) I am in San Diego
area.
> They are 15" Aluminum Weld 5-spoke rims, that I believe are about
9.5"
> wide.
>
> On 9/16/2016 10:08 AM, LSJ wrote:
>
> What size wheel up front?
>
> LSJ
> central
> wines-spirits est 1934
> 625 e street nw
> washington, dc 20004
> [1]centralwines.com
> [2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors
> 202-737-2800
>
__________________________________________________________________
>
> From: MyCars [3][184]<mycars at comcast.net>
> To: [[185]4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
> I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires
for the
> rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
> I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This
would
> give
> the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
> Thanks in advance for your thoughts
> Roy
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> 1. [53][188]http://centralwines.com/
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> Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 13:00:36 -0700
> From: MyCars [194]<mycars at comcast.net>
> To: [195]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
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> I just checked Weld's website
>
[59][197]http://weldwheels.com/shop/street-strip/sport-forged-wheels/prostar
.html
>
> They do not offer a 15" rim 9.5" wide, so I would guess they are 9"
wide
>
>
> On 9/16/2016 12:50 PM, MyCars wrote:
>> Going off memory (my car is still in Seattle) I am in San Diego
area.
>> They are 15" Aluminum Weld 5-spoke rims, that I believe are
about 9.5"
>> wide.
>>
>> On 9/16/2016 10:08 AM, LSJ wrote:
>>
>> What size wheel up front?
>>
>> LSJ
>> central
>> wines-spirits est 1934
>> 625 e street nw
>> washington, dc 20004
>> [1]centralwines.com
>> [2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors
>> 202-737-2800
>>
__________________________________________________________________
>>
>> From: MyCars [3][198]<mycars at comcast.net>
>> To: [[199]4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
>> I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires
for the
>> rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
>> I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This
would
>> give
>> the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
>> Thanks in advance for your thoughts
>> Roy
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> I just checked Weld's website
>
[1][210]http://weldwheels.com/shop/street-strip/sport-forged-wheels/prostar.
> html
> They do not offer a 15" rim 9.5" wide, so I would guess they are
9"
> wide
>
> On 9/16/2016 12:50 PM, MyCars wrote:
>
> Going off memory (my car is still in Seattle) I am in San Diego
area.
> They are 15" Aluminum Weld 5-spoke rims, that I believe are about
9.5"
> wide.
>
> On 9/16/2016 10:08 AM, LSJ wrote:
>
> What size wheel up front?
>
> LSJ
> central
> wines-spirits est 1934
> 625 e street nw
> washington, dc 20004
> [1]centralwines.com
> [2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors
> 202-737-2800
>
__________________________________________________________________
>
> From: MyCars [3][2][211]<mycars at comcast.net>
> To: [[[212]3]4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
> I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires
for the
> rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
> I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This
would
> give
> the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
> Thanks in advance for your thoughts
> Roy
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> Message: 13
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:26:27 -0400
> From: Will Kooiman [238]<will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> To: Larry Finch [239]<fresnofinches at aol.com>, Email List Address For
> Posting [240]<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out
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> Wow.
>
> I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
>
> My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily
> available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium. Rather than building
a new
> bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
>
> At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
>
> --
> Will
>
>
>
>
>
> On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
> [242]<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
>> Cullen,
>>
>> 2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it
in
>> 2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most
recently
>> did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke
with
>> and ordered directly from McLeod.
>>
>> My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
>>
>> The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout
>> spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still
had
>> on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting
>> where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of
>> course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard
line
>> attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold
up
>> very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
>>
>> The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking
>> outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
>>
>> Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same
rebuild kit
>> I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous
invoice.
>> What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit
which
>> uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined
that
>> for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used
>> exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such
as a
>> ? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the
company.
>> No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two
generations.
>>
>> While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the
task
>> of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting
and
>> unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but
pull the
>> transaxle and start all over again.
>>
>> The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as
has
>> been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just
fine.
>> Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on
my
>> experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down
that
>> road for themselves.
>>
>> Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the
gory
>> details.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>> Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 14
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 15:50:41 -0500
> From: Cullen McCann [245]<cmccann1972 at gmail.com>
> To: Will Kooiman [246]<will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> Cc: Email List Address For Posting
[247]<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>,
> Larry Finch [248]<fresnofinches at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out
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>
> Thank you Larry. You answered my question perfectly. I am like Will,
I have
> one on my Cobra as well, with a ford Top Loader and its been there
for
> several years and Ive always loved it. I actually bought one that was
"new"
> but several generations old, and when I called McLeod to inquire
about
> fresh O-rings, they sent me a brand new unit just to "ensure a
positive
> experience". I installed it with a performance clutch and a
scattershield,
> bled it according to the instructions and that was about 4 years ago.
> Havent had a lick of trouble. (knocking on wood now).
>
> the frame rails on my cobra are 24" apart and I couldn't fit the
clutch
> fork between the side of the bellhousing and the frame rail, and ive
had a
> bad experience with performance clutches and cables breaking in the
> past...so I went the hydraulic route and have loved it.
>
> however... I will certainly consider carefully this drama as I set up
my P
> car. I have a plan B with an external slave also, if I choose not to
use
> the factory unit. Thank you sir.
>
> Cullen
>
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Will Kooiman
[250]<will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Wow.
>>
>> I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
>>
>> My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily
>> available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium. Rather than building
a new
>> bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
>>
>> At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
>>
>> --
>> Will
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
>> [251]<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Cullen,
>>>
>>> 2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased
it in
>>> 2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most
recently
>>> did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke
with
>>> and ordered directly from McLeod.
>>>
>>> My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
>>>
>>> The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input
snout
>>> spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still
had
>>> on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90?
fitting
>>> where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of
>>> course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard
line
>>> attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't
hold up
>>> very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
>>>
>>> The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking
>>> outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
>>>
>>> Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same
rebuild kit
>>> I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous
invoice.
>>> What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit
which
>>> uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately
determined that
>>> for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has
used
>>> exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such
as a
>>> ? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the
company.
>>> No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two
generations.
>>>
>>> While you have some experience in using one of these previously,
the task
>>> of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting
and
>>> unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but
pull the
>>> transaxle and start all over again.
>>>
>>> The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as
has
>>> been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just
fine.
>>> Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on
my
>>> experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down
that
>>> road for themselves.
>>>
>>> Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the
gory
>>> details.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>> Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
>>> _______________________________________________
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> Thank you Larry. You answered my question perfectly. I am like
Will, I
> have one on my Cobra as well, with a ford Top Loader and its been
there
> for several years and Ive always loved it. I actually bought one
that
> was "new" but several generations old, and when I called McLeod
to
> inquire about fresh O-rings, they sent me a brand new unit just
to
> "ensure a positive experience". I installed it with a performance
> clutch and a scattershield, bled it according to the instructions
and
> that was about 4 years ago. Havent had a lick of trouble.A
(knocking
> on wood now).
> the frame rails on my cobra are 24" apart and I couldn't fit the
clutch
> fork between the side of the bellhousing and the frame rail, and
ive
> had a bad experience with performance clutches and cables
breaking in
> the past...so I went the hydraulic route and have loved it.
> however... I will certainly consider carefully this drama as I
set up
> my P car. I have a plan B with an external slave also, if I
choose not
> to use the factory unit.A Thank you sir.
> Cullen
>
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Will Kooiman
> [256]<[1]will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Wow.
> I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
> My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was
readily
> available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium.A Rather than
> building a new
> bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
> At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
> --
> Will
> On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
>
> [257]<[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> >Cullen,
> >
> >2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I
purchased it
> in
> >2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most
> recently
> >did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I
spoke with
> >and ordered directly from McLeod.
> >
> >My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
> >
> >The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input
snout
> >spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I
still
> had
> >on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90ADEG
> fitting
> >where one should have used a 45ADEG fitting, twisted itself,
unseen of
> >course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the
hard line
> >attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't
hold
> up
> >very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
> >
> >The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long,
sticking
> >outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
> >
> >Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same
rebuild
> kit
> >I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous
> invoice.
> >What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current
unit
> which
> >uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately
determined
> that
> >for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has
used
> >exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix
such as
> a
> >A A or a AB which to me seems indicative of a problem within the
> company.
> >No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two
> generations.
> >
> >While you have some experience in using one of these previously,
the
> task
> >of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite
exacting and
> >unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but
pull
> the
> >transaxle and start all over again.
> >
> >The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and
as
> has
> >been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just
fine.
> >Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based
on my
> >experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture
down that
> >road for themselves.
> >
> >Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of
the gory
> >details.
> >
> >Larry
> >
> >Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
> >_______________________________________________
> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 13:53:15 -0700
> From: Larry Stock [268]<larrys at panteraparts.com>
> To: Will Kooiman [269]<will.kooiman at gmail.com>, Larry Finch
> [270]<fresnofinches at aol.com>, Email List Address For Posting
> [271]<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out
> Message-ID: [272]<D401A883.17A144%larrys at panteraparts.com>
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>
> The basic problem is that the bell housing is too confined and not
> ventilated well enough to dissipate the heat. The Superformance is
using a
> Quick Time bell housing that has much more ventilation than the
DeTomaso
> Bell housing. Just another reason not to run those Plugs that some
vendors
> offer, that close off the inspection hole at the left hand top of the
bell
> housing. That is the only heat dissipation vent there is.
> Larry
>
> On 9/16/16, 1:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman"
> [273]<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> [274]will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Wow.
>>
>> I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
>>
>> My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily
>> available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium. Rather than building
a new
>> bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
>>
>> At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
>>
>> --
>> Will
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
>> [275]<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Cullen,
>>>
>>> 2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased
it in
>>> 2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most
recently
>>> did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke
with
>>> and ordered directly from McLeod.
>>>
>>> My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
>>>
>>> The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input
snout
>>> spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still
had
>>> on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90?
fitting
>>> where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of
>>> course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard
line
>>> attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't
hold up
>>> very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
>>>
>>> The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking
>>> outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
>>>
>>> Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same
rebuild kit
>>> I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous
invoice.
>>> What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit
which
>>> uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately
determined that
>>> for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has
used
>>> exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such
as a
>>> ? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the
company.
>>> No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two
generations.
>>>
>>> While you have some experience in using one of these previously,
the task
>>> of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting
and
>>> unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but
pull the
>>> transaxle and start all over again.
>>>
>>> The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as
has
>>> been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just
fine.
>>> Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on
my
>>> experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down
that
>>> road for themselves.
>>>
>>> Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the
gory
>>> details.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>> Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
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>
> Message: 16
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:11:22 -0700
> From: Mike Drew [280]<MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> To: David Nunn [281]<dnunn at telus.net>
> Cc: "[282]<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
> [283]<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> All,
>
> Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note
there is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat
firewall kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
>
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>
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" [286]<dnunn at telus.net> wrote:
>
>> Rob,
>>
>> If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit.
It
>> eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
adjustable.
>> It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on
IPSCO's web
>> site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
>>
>> Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and
belt
>> tensioning a breeze.
>>
>> [1][287]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. [92][288]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
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> Message: 17
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 21:16:34 +0000
> From: Julian Kift [291]<julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> To: David Nunn [292]<dnunn at telus.net>, Mike Drew [293]<MikeLDrew at aol.com>,
> [294]"detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
[295]<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
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> Mike,
>
>
> It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again, the
one that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location, but
was adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench
on the rear.
>
> Julian
> ________________________________
> From: DeTomaso [297]<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
of Mike Drew via DeTomaso [298]<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM
> To: David Nunn
> Cc: [299]<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
>
> All,
>
> Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note
there is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat
firewall kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
>
> [[300]cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.com]
>
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" [301]<dnunn at telus.net> wrote:
>
>> Rob,
>>
>> If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit.
It
>> eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
adjustable.
>> It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on
IPSCO's web
>> site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
>>
>> Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and
belt
>> tensioning a breeze.
>>
>> [1][302]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. [94][303]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
>
[[95][304]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.jpg][305]<http:
//ww
w.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm>
>
> Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking
...<[96][306]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm>
> [97]www.ipsco.org
> Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler Pulley,
this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench behind
the bracket to tighten in ...
>
>
>
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> Mike,
>
> It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again,
the one
> that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location,
but was
> adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench
on
> the rear.
> Julian
>
__________________________________________________________________
>
> From: DeTomaso [311]<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf of
> Mike Drew via DeTomaso [312]<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM
> To: David Nunn
> Cc: [313]<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
>
> All,
> Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note
there
> is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat
firewall
> kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
>
[[314]cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.com]
> Mike
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" [315]<dnunn at telus.net> wrote:
> > Rob,
> >
> > If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's
kit. It
> > eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
> adjustable.
> > It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on
IPSCO's
> web
> > site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
> >
> > Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation
and
> belt
> > tensioning a breeze.
> >
> > [1][316]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
> >
> > References
> >
> > 1. [1][317]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
> [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg]
> [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ...
> [100]www.ipsco.org
> Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler
Pulley,
> this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench
behind
> the bracket to tighten in ...
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> 1. [101][322]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
> 2. [102][323]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
> 3. [103][324]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
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> Message: 18
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:18:39 -0700
> From: Mike Drew [328]<MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> To: Julian Kift [329]<julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Cc: David Nunn [330]<dnunn at telus.net>, [331]"detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
om"
> [332]<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
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> Julian,
>
> Yes, he mentioned two different products for different applications
but only had a link for the stock replacement idler. My photo shows the
idler that replaces the alternator to tension the water pump belt.
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 16, 2016, at 14:16, Julian Kift [334]<julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> Mike,
>>
>> It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again,
the one
>> that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location,
but was
>> adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench
on
>> the rear.
>> Julian
>>
__________________________________________________________________
>>
>> From: DeTomaso [335]<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf of
>> Mike Drew via DeTomaso [336]<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM
>> To: David Nunn
>> Cc: [337]<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
>>
>> All,
>> Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note
there
>> is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat
firewall
>> kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
>>
[[338]cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.com]
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" [339]<dnunn at telus.net> wrote:
>>> Rob,
>>>
>>> If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit.
It
>>> eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
>> adjustable.
>>> It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on
IPSCO's
>> web
>>> site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
>>>
>>> Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and
>> belt
>>> tensioning a breeze.
>>>
>>> [1][340]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>> 1. [1][341]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
>> [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg]
>> [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ...
>> [107]www.ipsco.org
>> Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler
Pulley,
>> this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench
behind
>> the bracket to tighten in ...
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>> 2. [109][347]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
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> Message: 19
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:19:14 -0700
> From: Larry Finch [353]<fresnofinches at aol.com>
> To: Email List Address For Posting [354]<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out
> Message-ID: [355]<78A89D59-A850-402B-8862-ABC7DFF75CD9 at aol.com>
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> Heat?
>
> As I previously wrote, I have over 50,000 miles using one of the
McLeod systems.
>
> Those 50,000 miles have all been WITH a black plastic plug in the
hole that some wish to call a ventilation hole rather than an
inspection hole. Your choice, I don't really care.
>
> Whatever heat issues may or may not be present, with or without a
plug, have never appeared to be an issue in any way, shape or form in
my many years of experience.
>
> I am all ears if Larry or anyone else has history that supports a
failure of the McLeod unit from excessive heat.
>
> Larry
>
> Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
>
>> On Sep 16, 2016, at 1:53 PM, Larry Stock [356]<larrys at panteraparts.com>
wrote:
>>
>> The basic problem is that the bell housing is too confined and not
>> ventilated well enough to dissipate the heat. The Superformance is
using a
>> Quick Time bell housing that has much more ventilation than the
DeTomaso
>> Bell housing. Just another reason not to run those Plugs that some
vendors
>> offer, that close off the inspection hole at the left hand top of
the bell
>> housing. That is the only heat dissipation vent there is.
>> Larry
>>
>> On 9/16/16, 1:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman"
>> [357]<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>> [358]will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Wow.
>>>
>>> I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
>>>
>>> My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily
>>> available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium. Rather than
building a new
>>> bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
>>>
>>> At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Will
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
>>> [359]<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Cullen,
>>>>
>>>> 2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased
it in
>>>> 2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most
recently
>>>> did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke
with
>>>> and ordered directly from McLeod.
>>>>
>>>> My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
>>>>
>>>> The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input
snout
>>>> spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I
still had
>>>> on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90?
fitting
>>>> where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen
of
>>>> course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard
line
>>>> attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't
hold up
>>>> very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
>>>>
>>>> The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long,
sticking
>>>> outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
>>>>
>>>> Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same
rebuild kit
>>>> I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous
invoice.
>>>> What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit
which
>>>> uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately
determined that
>>>> for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has
used
>>>> exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix
such as a
>>>> A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the
company.
>>>> No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two
generations.
>>>>
>>>> While you have some experience in using one of these previously,
the task
>>>> of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting
and
>>>> unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but
pull the
>>>> transaxle and start all over again.
>>>>
>>>> The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and
as has
>>>> been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just
fine.
>>>> Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based
on my
>>>> experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down
that
>>>> road for themselves.
>>>>
>>>> Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the
gory
>>>> details.
>>>>
>>>> Larry
>>>>
>>>> Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
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> Message: 20
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:38:06 -0500
> From: Cullen McCann [364]<cmccann1972 at gmail.com>
> To: Larry Stock [365]<larrys at panteraparts.com>
> Cc: Email List Address For Posting
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> Larry Finch [367]<fresnofinches at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out
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> well, I have the quicktime bellhousing for the ZF on 4653. I forgot
to
> mention that. Also didn't consider it would be relevant. hmmmm.
>
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Larry Stock
[369]<larrys at panteraparts.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The basic problem is that the bell housing is too confined and not
>> ventilated well enough to dissipate the heat. The Superformance is
using a
>> Quick Time bell housing that has much more ventilation than the
DeTomaso
>> Bell housing. Just another reason not to run those Plugs that some
vendors
>> offer, that close off the inspection hole at the left hand top of
the bell
>> housing. That is the only heat dissipation vent there is.
>> Larry
>>
>> On 9/16/16, 1:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman"
>> [370]<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>> [371]will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Wow.
>>>
>>> I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
>>>
>>> My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily
>>> available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium. Rather than
building a new
>>> bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
>>>
>>> At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Will
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
>>> [372]<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Cullen,
>>>>
>>>> 2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased
it in
>>>> 2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most
recently
>>>> did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke
with
>>>> and ordered directly from McLeod.
>>>>
>>>> My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
>>>>
>>>> The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input
snout
>>>> spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I
still had
>>>> on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90?
fitting
>>>> where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen
of
>>>> course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard
line
>>>> attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't
hold up
>>>> very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
>>>>
>>>> The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long,
sticking
>>>> outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
>>>>
>>>> Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same
rebuild kit
>>>> I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous
invoice.
>>>> What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit
which
>>>> uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately
determined that
>>>> for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has
used
>>>> exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix
such as a
>>>> ? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the
company.
>>>> No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two
generations.
>>>>
>>>> While you have some experience in using one of these previously,
the task
>>>> of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting
and
>>>> unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but
pull the
>>>> transaxle and start all over again.
>>>>
>>>> The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and
as has
>>>> been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just
fine.
>>>> Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based
on my
>>>> experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down
that
>>>> road for themselves.
>>>>
>>>> Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the
gory
>>>> details.
>>>>
>>>> Larry
>>>>
>>>> Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
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> well, I have the quicktime bellhousing for the ZF on 4653. I
forgot to
> mention that. Also didn't consider it would be relevant. hmmmm.
>
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Larry Stock
> [379]<[1]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
>
> The basic problem is that the bell housing is too confined and
not
> ventilated well enough to dissipate the heat. The Superformance
is
> using a
> Quick Time bell housing that has much more ventilation than the
> DeTomaso
> Bell housing. Just another reason not to run those Plugs that
some
> vendors
> offer, that close off the inspection hole at the left hand top
of
> the bell
> housing. That is the only heat dissipation vent there is.
> Larry
> On 9/16/16, 1:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman"
> [380]<[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> [[381]3]will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
> >Wow.
> >
> >I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
> >
> >My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was
readily
> >available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium.A Rather than
> building a new
> >bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
> >
> >At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
> >
> >--
> >Will
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
> >[382]<[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Cullen,
> >>
> >>2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I
purchased
> it in
> >>2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and
most
> recently
> >>did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I
spoke
> with
> >>and ordered directly from McLeod.
> >>
> >>My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
> >>
> >>The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect
input
> snout
> >>spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I
> still had
> >>on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its
90ADEG
> fitting
> >>where one should have used a 45ADEG fitting, twisted itself,
> unseen of
> >>course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the
hard
> line
> >>attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines
don't
> hold up
> >>very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
> >>
> >>The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long,
> sticking
> >>outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
> >>
> >>Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same
> rebuild kit
> >>I had previously used, using the same number off of the
previous
> invoice.
> >>What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current
unit
> which
> >>uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately
> determined that
> >>for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod
has
> used
> >>exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no
suffix
> such as a
> >>A A or a AB which to me seems indicative of a problem within
the
> company.
> >>No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two
> generations.
> >>
> >>While you have some experience in using one of these
previously,
> the task
> >>of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite
exacting
> and
> >>unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do
but
> pull the
> >>transaxle and start all over again.
> >>
> >>The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings
and
> as has
> >>been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works
just
> fine.
> >>Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and
based
> on my
> >>experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture
down
> that
> >>road for themselves.
> >>
> >>Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of
the
> gory
> >>details.
> >>
> >>Larry
> >>
> >>Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>
> >>
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> Message: 21
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 21:46:51 +0000
> From: michael frazier [399]<red3644 at hotmail.com>
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> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC, Need transmission suggestions
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> Hi All,
> I?m putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road. It sat in a barn
since 1961 and only has 25k miles,
> but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out.
Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will
> remain. The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete
Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.
> I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want
an overdrive transmission. Manual or
> automatic, either one. It won?t be drag raced but will be used
regularly and would likely be run in an
> open road race some time. That?s the reason for the overdrive.
>
> I?ve been out of this part of the game for a while and was wondering
what would work well.
> What would bolt up and work. What would it come out of?
>
> Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
> Michael
>
> Sent from Mail<[129][403]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>
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>
> -------------- next part --------------
> Hi All,
>
> I'm putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road. It sat in a barn
since
> 1961 and only has 25k miles,
>
> but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out.
> Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will
>
> remain. The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a
complete
> Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.
>
> I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and
want an
> overdrive transmission. Manual or
>
> automatic, either one. It won't be drag raced but will be used
> regularly and would likely be run in an
>
> open road race some time. That's the reason for the overdrive.
>
>
> I've been out of this part of the game for a while and was
wondering
> what would work well.
>
> What would bolt up and work. What would it come out of?
>
>
> Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Michael
>
>
> Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10
>
> References
>
> 1. [130][404]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 22
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 15:04:46 -0700
> From: "David Nunn" [405]<dnunn at telus.net>
> To: "'Mike Drew'" [406]<MikeLDrew at aol.com>, "'Julian Kift'"
> [407]<julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Cc: [408]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
> Message-ID: [409]<003301d21066$5739cc80$05ad6580$@telus.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Julian,
>
> Further to what Mike wrote; here's a photo of the front of my engine,
with
> both IPSCO items installed.
>
> David
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Drew [[131][410]mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com]
> Sent: September 16, 2016 2:19 PM
> To: Julian Kift [411]<julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Cc: David Nunn [412]<dnunn at telus.net>; [413]detomaso at server.detomasolist.co
m
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
>
> Julian,
>
> Yes, he mentioned two different products for different applications
but only
> had a link for the stock replacement idler. My photo shows the idler
that
> replaces the alternator to tension the water pump belt.
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 16, 2016, at 14:16, Julian Kift [414]<julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> Mike,
>>
>> It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again,
the one
>> that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location,
but was
>> adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench
on
>> the rear.
>> Julian
>>
__________________________________________________________________
>>
>> From: DeTomaso [415]<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf of
>> Mike Drew via DeTomaso [416]<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM
>> To: David Nunn
>> Cc: [417]<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
>>
>> All,
>> Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note
there
>> is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat
firewall
>> kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
>>
[[418]cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.com]
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" [419]<dnunn at telus.net> wrote:
>>> Rob,
>>>
>>> If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit.
It
>>> eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
>> adjustable.
>>> It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on
IPSCO's
>> web
>>> site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
>>>
>>> Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and
>> belt
>>> tensioning a breeze.
>>>
>>> [1][420]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>> 1. [1][421]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
>> [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg]
>> [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ...
>> [132]www.ipsco.org
>> Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler
Pulley,
>> this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench
behind
>> the bracket to tighten in ...
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>> References
>>
>> 1. [133][426]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
>> 2. [134][427]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
>> 3. [135][428]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
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> Message: 23
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:26:53 -0600
> From: bill [434]<bill at incendium.com>
> To: michael frazier [435]<red3644 at hotmail.com>,
> [436]"detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
[437]<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC, Need transmission suggestions
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>
> Michael:Screw that put a Ford flat head V8 in that suckered.?
>
>
>
> CheersBill MooreCalgary
> -------- Original message --------From: michael frazier
[439]<red3644 at hotmail.com> Date: 2016-09-16 3:46 PM (GMT-07:00) To:
[440]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC, Need
transmission suggestions
> Hi All,
> I?m putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road.? It sat in a barn
since 1961 and only has 25k miles,
> but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out.?
Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will
> remain.? The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete
Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.
> I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want
an overdrive transmission.? Manual or
> automatic, either one.? It won?t be drag raced but will be used
regularly and would likely be run in an
> open road race some time.? That?s the reason for the overdrive.
>
> I?ve been out of this part of the game for a while and was wondering
what would work well.
> What would bolt up and work.? What would it come out of?
>
> Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
> Michael
>
> Sent from Mail<[140][441]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>
for Windows 10
>
>
> ?? Hi All,
>
> ?? I'm putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road.? It sat in a barn
since
> ?? 1961 and only has 25k miles,
>
> ?? but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out.
> ?? Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will
>
> ?? remain.? The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete
> ?? Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.
>
> ?? I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and
want an
> ?? overdrive transmission.? Manual or
>
> ?? automatic, either one.? It won't be drag raced but will be used
> ?? regularly and would likely be run in an
>
> ?? open road race some time.? That's the reason for the overdrive.
>
>
> ?? I've been out of this part of the game for a while and was
wondering
> ?? what would work well.
>
> ?? What would bolt up and work.? What would it come out of?
>
>
> ?? Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
>
> ?? Michael
>
>
> ?? Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10
>
> References
>
> ?? 1. [141][442]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
>
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> Michael:
>
> Screw that put a Ford flat head V8 in that suckered.
>
> Cheers
>
> Bill Moore
>
> Calgary
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: michael frazier [445]<red3644 at hotmail.com>
> Date: 2016-09-16 3:46 PM (GMT-07:00)
> To: [446]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC, Need transmission suggestions
>
> Hi All,
> I'm putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road. It sat in a barn
since
> 1961 and only has 25k miles,
> but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out.
> Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will
> remain. The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a
complete
> Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.
> I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and
want an
> overdrive transmission. Manual or
> automatic, either one. It won't be drag raced but will be used
> regularly and would likely be run in an
> open road race some time. That's the reason for the overdrive.
> I've been out of this part of the game for a while and was
wondering
> what would work well.
> What would bolt up and work. What would it come out of?
> Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
> Michael
> Sent from
Mail<[143][447]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
> Hi All,
> I'm putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road. It sat in a
barn
> since
> 1961 and only has 25k miles,
> but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted
out.
> Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will
> remain. The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a
complete
> Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.
> I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and
want
> an
> overdrive transmission. Manual or
> automatic, either one. It won't be drag raced but will be
used
> regularly and would likely be run in an
> open road race some time. That's the reason for the
overdrive.
> I've been out of this part of the game for a while and was
wondering
> what would work well.
> What would bolt up and work. What would it come out of?
> Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
> Michael
> Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10
> References
> 1. [144][448]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
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> Message: 24
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:31:46 -0600
> From: bill [451]<bill at incendium.com>
> To: David Nunn [452]<dnunn at telus.net>, 'Mike Drew' [453]<MikeLDrew at aol.com>
,
> 'Julian Kift' [454]<julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Cc: [455]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Wow !,,,,
> That looks to nice to cover up.....
>
>
>
>
> CheersBill MooreCalgary
> -------- Original message --------From: David Nunn [457]<dnunn at telus.net>
Date: 2016-09-16 4:04 PM (GMT-07:00) To: 'Mike Drew'
[458]<MikeLDrew at aol.com>, 'Julian Kift' [459]<julian_kift at hotmail.com> Cc:
[460]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden
Compressors noises
> Julian,
>
> Further to what Mike wrote; here's a photo of the front of my engine,
with
> both IPSCO items installed.
>
> David
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Drew [[146][461]mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com]
> Sent: September 16, 2016 2:19 PM
> To: Julian Kift [462]<julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Cc: David Nunn [463]<dnunn at telus.net>; [464]detomaso at server.detomasolist.co
m
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
>
> Julian,
>
> Yes, he mentioned two different products for different applications
but only
> had a link for the stock replacement idler. My photo shows the idler
that
> replaces the alternator to tension the water pump belt.
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 16, 2016, at 14:16, Julian Kift [465]<julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> ?? Mike,
>>
>> ?? It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again,
the one
>> ?? that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location,
but was
>> ?? adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench
on
>> ?? the rear.
>> ?? Julian
>> ????
__________________________________________________________________
>>
>> ?? From: DeTomaso [466]<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf of
>> ?? Mike Drew via DeTomaso [467]<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> ?? Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM
>> ?? To: David Nunn
>> ?? Cc: [468]<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> ?? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
>>
>> ?? All,
>> ?? Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note
there
>> ?? is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat
firewall
>> ?? kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
>> ??
[[469]cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.com]
>> ?? Mike
>> ?? Sent from my iPhone
>> ?? On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" [470]<dnunn at telus.net> wrote:
>>> ? Rob,
>>>
>>> ? If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit.
It?
>>> eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
>> ?? adjustable.
>>> ? It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on
IPSCO's
>> ?? web
>>> ? site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
>>>
>>> ? Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and
>> ?? belt
>>> ? tensioning a breeze.
>>>
>>> ? [1][471]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>> ? 1. [1][472]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
>> ?? [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg]
>> ?? [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ...
>> ?? [147]www.ipsco.org
>> ?? Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler
Pulley,
>> ?? this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench
behind
>> ?? the bracket to tighten in ...
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>>
>> ?? 1. [148][477]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
>> ?? 2. [149][478]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
>> ?? 3. [150][479]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
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> Wow !,,,,
>
> That looks to nice to cover up.....
>
> Cheers
>
> Bill Moore
>
> Calgary
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: David Nunn [486]<dnunn at telus.net>
> Date: 2016-09-16 4:04 PM (GMT-07:00)
> To: 'Mike Drew' [487]<MikeLDrew at aol.com>, 'Julian Kift'
> [488]<julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Cc: [489]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
>
> Julian,
> Further to what Mike wrote; here's a photo of the front of my
engine,
> with
> both IPSCO items installed.
> David
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Drew [[155][490]mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com]
> Sent: September 16, 2016 2:19 PM
> To: Julian Kift [491]<julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Cc: David Nunn [492]<dnunn at telus.net>;
[493]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
> Julian,
> Yes, he mentioned two different products for different
applications but
> only
> had a link for the stock replacement idler. My photo shows the
idler
> that
> replaces the alternator to tension the water pump belt.
> Mike
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 16, 2016, at 14:16, Julian Kift [494]<julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:
> > Mike,
> >
> > It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler
again, the
> one
> > that was previously linked appears to go in the stock
location, but
> was
> > adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a
wrench
> on
> > the rear.
> > Julian
> >
>
__________________________________________________________________
> >
> > From: DeTomaso [495]<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf
> of
> > Mike Drew via DeTomaso [496]<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM
> > To: David Nunn
> > Cc: [497]<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
> >
> > All,
> > Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup.
Note
> there
> > is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat
> firewall
> > kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
> >
>
[[498]cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.com]
> > Mike
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" [499]<dnunn at telus.net>
wrote:
> >> Rob,
> >>
> >> If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's
kit.
> It
> >> eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
> > adjustable.
> >> It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on
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> >> Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation
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> > [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg]
> > [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking
...
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> > Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler
> Pulley,
> > this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a
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